What's with the lack of coders and designers nowadays?

[mrmister]

I remember a few years ago this place had a huge selection of both. Nowadays it's just the same one or two companies or either really overpriced or rubbish quality work

Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was. With a designer they wanted a full payment up front. Are there any other places to find good adult designers or coders?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by mrmister

I remember a few years ago this place had a huge selection of both. Nowadays it's just the same one or two companies or either really overpriced or rubbish quality work

Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was. With a designer they wanted a full payment up front. Are there any other places to find good adult designers or coders?

ChatGPT do it yourself!

[fris]

Originally Posted by mrmister

I remember a few years ago this place had a huge selection of both. Nowadays it's just the same one or two companies or either really overpriced or rubbish quality work

Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was. With a designer they wanted a full payment up front. Are there any other places to find good adult designers or coders?

guess it would depend what you need done.

[mrmister]

Originally Posted by fris

guess it would depend what you need done.

I need mods to loads of things like mechbunny tube and cam script. Custom changes etc

And design wise. Im always looking for new designs but a lot of designs nowadays look like they belong in 2010

[fuzebox]

I would guess that there's not enough work in adult to make a living as an independent contractor.

[VladS]

Hey, i believe that you are referring to me about the "Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was" part - please let me reply to this

We have worked together before that particular situation and everytime there was peanuts projects - not that i have anything against that - but when you want to spend 100$ - 200$ bucks and get a lot completed, i cannot really reply with a quote because most likely you will say no - so instead of refusing your project, i tried to work within your budget to help both of us - you with work, me with income - so really not sure what the issue is there

Otherwise - i am under the impression that you are happy with the work i did for you

Lastly, to answer the thread question - i am here available for coding work, MechBunny, KVS, custom, etc...

[mrmister]

Originally Posted by VladS

Hey, i believe that you are referring to me about the "Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was" part - please let me reply to this

We have worked together before that particular situation and everytime there was peanuts projects - not that i have anything against that - but when you want to spend 100$ - 200$ bucks and get a lot completed, i cannot really reply with a quote because most likely you will say no - so instead of refusing your project, i tried to work within your budget to help both of us - you with work, me with income - so really not sure what the issue is there

Otherwise - i am under the impression that you are happy with the work i did for you

Lastly, to answer the thread question - i am here available for coding work, MechBunny, KVS, custom, etc...

your work is fine, not about you. just lamenting the lack of choice nowadays

[fris]

konrad has recommended vlad numerous times, i would reach out to him, and design wise there are a few that are still around that do good work

https://s2odesigns.com/the-cam-dude/

and

https://silvercrocodile.com/projects...ngbrosteenporn

[adultinnovation]

Originally Posted by mrmister

I remember a few years ago this place had a huge selection of both.

I remember the days when people paid $3,000 for pay site tours.

Now they expect you to do the same for 300 bucks

[mrmister]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I would guess that there's not enough work in adult to make a living as an independent contractor.

Yeah I have mainstream sites and have guys for that and they won't touch adult which is strange

[fris]

Originally Posted by adultinnovation

I remember the days when people paid $3,000 for pay site tours.

Now they expect you to do the same for 300 bucks

i got a quote from a mainstream tailwinds dev last year for $2000.

last week i emailed him and gave him exact same info. price is now $200

[Klen]

There is almost every day some developer registering here. I am developer too. Tho keep in mind we developers are not really best when it comes to presentation lol.

[dcortez]

Originally Posted by mrmister

I remember a few years ago this place had a huge selection of both. Nowadays it's just the same one or two companies or either really overpriced or rubbish quality work

Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was. With a designer they wanted a full payment up front. Are there any other places to find good adult designers or coders?

What do you consider "overpriced"?

[dcortez]

Originally Posted by fris

i got a quote from a mainstream tailwinds dev last year for $2000.

last week i emailed him and gave him exact same info. price is now $200

Did it involve writing content as as well site infrastructure?

It's time for "developers" to declare whether they use GenAI for any of their work product.

[Huggles]

This is why everyone should have just became a Canadian landlord... if you own multiple properties in Canada you're pretty much a multi-millionaire now

Zero innovation or brains required... If I had just decided to become a slum lord in 2003 when I was making fat cash I would have 8 figures in 2023 easy peasy! Dumb ass me thought it would be a good idea to be an artist... lol!

A big reason why there is no innovation in Canada... real estate was a guaranteed win.

[LetterTwenty7]

My friends in the coding or design biz are mostly swamped with freelance gigs or work for large companies, providing them with work all the time. What I am pointing out is that people who are experienced and do a great job have loads of work and are mostly not available, especially not for some small, low-paying projects. Maybe that's why you ran into "overpriced or rubbish quality work."

[money biz]

I build my landers with mobirise. Anyone using anything better than that?

[Kittens]

Originally Posted by VladS

Hey, i believe that you are referring to me about the "Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was" part - please let me reply to this

We have worked together before that particular situation and everytime there was peanuts projects - not that i have anything against that - but when you want to spend 100$ - 200$ bucks and get a lot completed, i cannot really reply with a quote because most likely you will say no - so instead of refusing your project, i tried to work within your budget to help both of us - you with work, me with income - so really not sure what the issue is there

Otherwise - i am under the impression that you are happy with the work i did for you

Lastly, to answer the thread question - i am here available for coding work, MechBunny, KVS, custom, etc...

This is probably why you can't find anyone.

Send me an email asking for hours of work for max $200, and I'm gonna only respond with an invoice for $1500 for wasting my time opening that email.

It's not the early 2000's anymore, developers are among the top paid career in the world.

I won't even entertain a project that is less than $100k budget.

[k0nr4d]

Unless you are mega established in the industry then it's very tough to make a liveable wage in adult as a programmer. Your alternative is working for a corporation for loads of money and stability. Getting small projects done is now troublesome in ANY industry - not just programming. If I have a loose floor tile, no one is going to come and reattach one tile. It took me 3 months to even get someone to come give me a quote to do a stone fascade on my house. 3 months JUST TO GET A QUOTE. I couldn't even get as far as someone telling me too much and me telling them to fuck off. I wanted to expand my driveway a bit (paving stone) and again unless you are building an ikea parking lot no one wants to come do it.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Kittens

This is probably why you can't find anyone.

Send me an email asking for hours of work for max $200, and I'm gonna only respond with an invoice for $1500 for wasting my time opening that email.

It's not the early 2000's anymore, developers are among the top paid career in the world.

I won't even entertain a project that is less than $100k budget.

Ah lol you are exaggerating but you do have a point - it's better to focus on big clients then fuck around with bunch of small ones.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Unless you are mega established in the industry then it's very tough to make a liveable wage in adult as a programmer. Your alternative is working for a corporation for loads of money and stability. Getting small projects done is now troublesome in ANY industry - not just programming. If I have a loose floor tile, no one is going to come and reattach one tile. It took me 3 months to even get someone to come give me a quote to do a stone fascade on my house. 3 months JUST TO GET A QUOTE. I couldn't even get as far as someone telling me too much and me telling them to fuck off. I wanted to expand my driveway a bit (paving stone) and again unless you are building an ikea parking lot no one wants to come do it.

Speaking about other occupations, noticed there is huge demand for electricians - any idea what is such a fuss about it ? There is even big billboard on entrance of my city asking for electricians, still standing even after 5 years.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I wanted to expand my driveway a bit (paving stone)

Damn you're out here flexing that you have a driveway?

I really need to finish my tube killer!

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Klen

Speaking about other occupations, noticed there is huge demand for electricians - any idea what is such a fuss about it ? There is even big billboard on entrance of my city asking for electricians, still standing even after 5 years.

Can't say I noticed anything like that here, but possibly might have something to do with UA men not being able to leave UA and causing a labour shortage but that wouldn't have started 5 years ago...

[Zuzana Designs]

There have been a variety of designers over the years. Many take on full time salary contracts from large companies, some have priced themselves so low that they can't make a living and go back to mainstream and some have issues with their company (missed deadlines, dropped projects, etc) so they disappear for several years and then come back hoping for a fresh start.

At Zuzana Designs, we ask for a 50% deposit with the rest being due before starting html (since this seems to be where many people disappear) or delivery if it’s just PSDs. Our pricing used to be much higher because we offered integration and programming but for the last couple years we’ve eliminated those things from our company to just focus on purely design so designs from us are less expensive, though you’ll still need a separate programmer for integrations. If using MechBunny, they usually just need PSDs from us and handle integration themselves.

Asking for a budget isn’t always a trap to max it out. If someone has a huge idea that I know is going to be a ton of work to organize and quote with a big price tag, I’ll ask for a general budget just to see if it’s even close. If it’s not, having a budget will help me give other options that may fit your needs at the desired price tag.

As much as I WISH every client would say just design my site any way you want, that RARELY happens so sites having outdated looks really falls on the client and not the designer. We can do our best to give ideas and try to move the project to be more modern but it all comes down to what the client wants because it’s our job to provide that to them.

If you’d ever like a quote, please hit us up at [email protected]. We’ve worked on hundreds of tubes and sites with MechBunny and we have a solid 20 year reputation in the business.

[trevesty]

If you're only wanting to spend $100-$200, then that's why nobody wants to work with you. Cheap people like that in adult are why developers and designers don't cater to this industry very much.

You get what you pay for and all that.

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by mrmister

Yeah I have mainstream sites and have guys for that and they won't touch adult which is strange

It's almost as if some people have ethics and morals. Hard to believe, isn't it?

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by trevesty

If you're only wanting to spend $100-$200, then that's why nobody wants to work with you. Cheap people like that in adult are why developers and designers don't cater to this industry very much.

You get what you pay for and all that.

I only seek freelance work through agencies now who have professional teams and multi-million dollar corporations as clients. I've wasted too much time dealing with amateurs who want the world built for 3 digit dollar amounts.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Tube Ace

It's almost as if some people have ethics and morals. Hard to believe, isn't it?

Dude you lick the balls of the Tates you fucking loser.

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs

There have been a variety of designers over the years. Many take on full time salary contracts from large companies, some have priced themselves so low that they can't make a living and go back to mainstream and some have issues with their company (missed deadlines, dropped projects, etc) so they disappear for several years and then come back hoping for a fresh start.

At Zuzana Designs, we ask for a 50% deposit with the rest being due before starting html (since this seems to be where many people disappear) or delivery if it’s just PSDs. Our pricing used to be much higher because we offered integration and programming but for the last couple years we’ve eliminated those things from our company to just focus on purely design so designs from us are less expensive, though you’ll still need a separate programmer for integrations. If using MechBunny, they usually just need PSDs from us and handle integration themselves.

Asking for a budget isn’t always a trap to max it out. If someone has a huge idea that I know is going to be a ton of work to organize and quote with a big price tag, I’ll ask for a general budget just to see if it’s even close. If it’s not, having a budget will help me give other options that may fit your needs at the desired price tag.

As much as I WISH every client would say just design my site any way you want, that RARELY happens so sites having outdated looks really falls on the client and not the designer. We can do our best to give ideas and try to move the project to be more modern but it all comes down to what the client wants because it’s our job to provide that to them.

If you’d ever like a quote, please hit us up at [email protected]. We’ve worked on hundreds of tubes and sites with MechBunny and we have a solid 20 year reputation in the business.

You dropped this

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Dude you lick the balls of the Tates you fucking loser.

Big words coming from a coward who refuses to settle this like men. My invitation still stands for me to fly to Kelowna, Canada and fight in any style of your choice at any dojo or boxing ring with a referee. Bring your girl and kid too, they need see me mop the floor with your bitch ass.



Fight me, pussy.

[Kittens]

Originally Posted by Klen

Ah lol you are exaggerating but you do have a point

Not exaggerating at all, I turn down large projects all the time. Turned down a $30k one the other day. I've got a funded product company, I don't need to concern myself with the riffraf who want 60 hours of work done for $150 and act as if it's a generous offer to help me out.

[adultinnovation]

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Tube Ace

Big words coming from a coward who refuses to settle this like men.

Dude you are a fucking loser. I would fucking stab you to death or hit you with my car. I'm not the type of person you want angry, because if I get in the mood to hurt you, I'm not going to hurt you, I'll probably kill you.

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Dude you are a fucking loser. I would fucking stab you to death or hit you with my car. I'm not the type of person you want angry, because if I get in the mood to hurt you, I'm not going to hurt you, I'll probably kill you.

So Fucking Banned

Finally got my first assclown banned. My only regret is it took so long. At least 10 others should have had the same fate.

[Kittens]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Dude you are a fucking loser. I would fucking stab you to death or hit you with my car. I'm not the type of person you want angry, because if I get in the mood to hurt you, I'm not going to hurt you, I'll probably kill you.

It's usually the ones who can't articulate an argument who resort to thumping their chests and acting like tough guys who threaten others online over words.

They're also the ones who would most likely bitch out and get their shit pushed in by the wrong people for acting tough to.

Anyway, my condolences to whatever website this guy is going to rant and rage on about how he's banned everywhere for speaking his mind while blah blah blah homophobic / transphobic bullshit blah blah blah.

[plsureking]

these two ideas are related:

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Unless you are mega established in the industry then it's very tough to make a liveable wage in adult as a programmer. Your alternative is working for a corporation for loads of money and stability

Originally Posted by LetterTwenty7

My friends in the coding or design biz are mostly swamped with freelance gigs or work for large companies, providing them with work all the time. What I am pointing out is that people who are experienced and do a great job have loads of work and are mostly not available, especially not for some small, low-paying projects. Maybe that's why you ran into "overpriced or rubbish quality work."

i'm going to stay away from pointing out the fact that most site owners and project producers in porn are on a shoestring budget, and focus on the fact that any vendor who's any good (and smart) is busy.

there are no millionaire freelance designers or programmers in adult. no one is overcharging for any work. porn freelancers charge 10-20% of mainstream quotes AT BEST. the porn industry has more cheap charlies than multi-level marketing.

i don't really care about the OPs complaint. he wants cheap labor instead of payrolling a developer. i care about the developers on GFY, since that is the majority here.

the way to secure your future as a porn developer is to provide a product. not a service, a product. a rebilling product just like the porn we sell.

i started PornCMS 15 years ago because i only had one client from 2004-2007 - Matt's Models - and that dumbass went out of business. i was suddenly out of work after nearly a decade in porn dev (started at Hegre).

nowadays i work exclusively for PornCMS client sites. i won't take any other freelance work. i'm working with a new AI chatbot client who's project is 90% off the cms, but that 10% is enough to get my help.

i'm in this selective and secure position because i built this thing up for 15 years. this year i've spent about 80 hours a week developing the new next gen version of the cms because => we can never fucking stop.

so that's part two of the security plan: work every fucking day.


bonus tip: as a developer, you can also make a good living with affiliate work. every graybeard dev in this industry has at least a few affiliate checks coming in regularly.

same rule applies - work every fucking day.

or go get a corporate job and hope you don't get laid off.

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[candyflip]

Better money to be made doing other things.

My weed shop is now pulling in $5k a day in sales and I live in a small, rural community.

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by Kittens

It's usually the ones who can't articulate an argument who resort to thumping their chests and acting like tough guys who threaten others online over words.

They're also the ones who would most likely bitch out and get their shit pushed in by the wrong people for acting tough to.

Anyway, my condolences to whatever website this guy is going to rant and rage on about how he's banned everywhere for speaking his mind while blah blah blah homophobic / transphobic bullshit blah blah blah.

I hereby challenge your fat sack of shit ass to any fight of your choice of well, bitch. How's that? I'll even meet you in whenever bum fuck nowhere town you live just as I offered Huggles, who got his overly-emotional punk ass banned for trying to act tough.

I'm dead serious. I don't care if your lard ass outweighs me by 60 pounds. I'll send over a contract which states you owe me $5k if you puss out and don't show for the fight and waste my time.

[Denny]

Originally Posted by LetterTwenty7

My friends in the coding or design biz are mostly swamped with freelance gigs or work for large companies, providing them with work all the time. What I am pointing out is that people who are experienced and do a great job have loads of work and are mostly not available, especially not for some small, low-paying projects. Maybe that's why you ran into "overpriced or rubbish quality work."

[Kittens]

Originally Posted by Tube Ace

I hereby challenge your fat sack of shit ass to any fight of your choice of well, bitch. How's that? I'll even meet you in whenever bum fuck nowhere town you live just as I offered Huggles, who got his overly-emotional punk ass banned for trying to act tough.

I'm dead serious. I don't care if your lard ass outweighs me by 60 pounds. I'll send over a contract which states you owe me $5k if you puss out and don't show for the fight and waste my time.

You're boring

[adultinnovation]

Originally Posted by LetterTwenty7

My friends in the coding or design biz are mostly swamped with freelance gigs

maybe if they're making $2.00 banners

[Tube Ace]

Originally Posted by Kittens

You're boring

Yeah, your "kistols" idea ain't ever happening

[sandman!]

most of them left adult most people in adult are looking for the cheapest shit , look at all the scripts that were around 10 years ago compared to today 90%+ of adult related script companies are gone.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by sandman!

most of them left adult most people in adult are looking for the cheapest shit , look at all the scripts that were around 10 years ago compared to today 90%+ of adult related script companies are gone.

yea PornCMS is still around because i can't stand mainstream corporate cocksuckers. hearing corporate people speak makes me want to peel off my skin. i get on LinkedIn just to troll these mother fuckers.

also i keep my overhead low. this bad economy hit all of my clients. my server costs have gone up, my electric bill tripled, but my clients are in the same boat. i actually lowered prices and gave all of my long-term clients discounts this year.

we'll get thru this shit together!

(yes i know that's a contrarian view)

candyflip - awesome about the weed shop. i love it.

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[Klen]

Originally Posted by plsureking

yea PornCMS is still around because i can't stand mainstream corporate cocksuckers. hearing corporate people speak makes me want to peel off my skin. i get on LinkedIn just to troll these mother fuckers.

also i keep my overhead low. this bad economy hit all of my clients. my server costs have gone up, my electric bill tripled, but my clients are in the same boat. i actually lowered prices and gave all of my long-term clients discounts this year.

we'll get thru this shit together!

(yes i know that's a contrarian view)

candyflip - awesome about the weed shop. i love it.

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If you have linked in profile let's connect , i want to troll corporations too

[Kittens]

LinkedIn is almost as boring as Tube Ace

[fanleaks]

Originally Posted by mrmister

I remember a few years ago this place had a huge selection of both. Nowadays it's just the same one or two companies or either really overpriced or rubbish quality work

Last time I asked for coding work I sent him a list and he asked what my budget was. With a designer they wanted a full payment up front. Are there any other places to find good adult designers or coders?

Hit me up if you are looking for good developers. I have a quite a large team and can do almost anything dev related.

[Colmike9]

Mainstream stuff is easier, too.
I work in a lab, I do some computer stuff that could be considered difficult, but nothing that I have to think hard for, unless I'm doing something I'm not supposed to like repurposing some stepper motors and Raspis for my own things. You know that CPA job I had a couple years ago? This pays 3x that, not including bonuses, which I just got yesterday.

Also, the other day I was called into management's office, I thought I was in trouble for stealing a pizza that was like 3x4 feet big from the break room, but nope, I got a promotion. So, I'm staying out of adult and just making revshare money from things I did a long time ago. Government just stopped garnishing my wages for taxes, too, lol.

[fris]

Originally Posted by fanleaks

Hit me up if you are looking for good developers. I have a quite a large team and can do almost anything dev related.

whats your contacts?

[fris]

Originally Posted by sandman!

most of them left adult most people in adult are looking for the cheapest shit , look at all the scripts that were around 10 years ago compared to today 90%+ of adult related script companies are gone.

my first license for mechbunny was $1500, its now $399