terminate agreement with an aff program

[drexl]

I want to stop my business relationship with an affiliate program in particular.

I don't want my revshares to keep growing and I don't want to receive money from them anymore.

Anyone has a template I could use so it is courteous, professional and legal?

[Klen]

Lol why do you want to do that ?

[TrafficGoldmine]

Why, what happened?

ChatGPT can help you put together any legal "template" in an second.

[DVTimes]

I am happy to take the account over.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by drexl

I want to stop my business relationship with an affiliate program in particular.

I don't want my revshares to keep growing and I don't want to receive money from them anymore.

Anyone has a template I could use so it is courteous, professional and legal?

My Template :

Dear sir,

Yo mamma!

[Tubevideditor]

Never understood why people ask for this? Like what does it actually achieve except a bit of hassle and time wasted for both parties?
Why not just not login anymore and stop promoting them would seem the easy solution.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by drexl

I want to stop my business relationship with an affiliate program in particular.

I don't want my revshares to keep growing and I don't want to receive money from them anymore.

Anyone has a template I could use so it is courteous, professional and legal?

sell your account to someone?


or just send an email asking that your account be shutdown. Problem solved.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

My Template :

Dear sir,

Yo mamma!

[LouiseLloyd]

Dear [sponsor],


GO FUCK YOURSELF


Yours sincerely,

Drexl

[CurrentlySober]

Just send them an email stating that you wish to terminate business - Tell them that you have removed / deactivate all links as of the date of the email, and you wish your account to be closed and balance owed paid out.

Thats "courteous, professional and legal"

[CourtneyR_FFN]

Your better off transferring the account to someone else.

[lockept93]

Honestly if u dont want take their money for reasons...take it and spend it to some charity. Plant trees with that money if u dont want it.

[rowan]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Never understood why people ask for this? Like what does it actually achieve except a bit of hassle and time wasted for both parties?
Why not just not login anymore and stop promoting them would seem the easy solution.

Could be legal or regulatory issues? Some programs have weird business structures centered in exotic sounding locations.

[OneHungLo]

Find Jesus?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by rowan

Could be legal or regulatory issues? Some programs have weird business structures centered in exotic sounding locations.

This was going to be my comment as well.

Over the years there's definitely been programs I would not want to be associated with.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Find Jesus?

Good guess . . .

[drexl]

It's not a super big deal because I stopped advertising them many years ago and the $ is tiny but somehow with the revshare model it is headed towards the payment threshold.

Originally Posted by Klen

Lol why do you want to do that ?

In short: due diligence doesn't check.
They changed their business details and these don't match what I see on governments company sites, besides their support has no clue about their own company structure. I am therefore unable to update my documents.

There are other things like lack of support responsiveness, promo content disappearing, major changes in terms of service without notice, etc ..

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Never understood why people ask for this? Like what does it actually achieve except a bit of hassle and time wasted for both parties?
Why not just not login anymore and stop promoting them would seem the easy solution.

If you do business you know that it is not just about making money.
Once they generate an invoice for you with their dubious address + new company name that doesn't exist in the said address and you file that in your tax return, what do you think can possibly go wrong?

Originally Posted by rowan

Could be legal or regulatory issues? Some programs have weird business structures centered in exotic sounding locations.

Originally Posted by LouiseLloyd

Dear [sponsor],


GO FUCK YOURSELF


Yours sincerely,

Drexl

I like that one. Not sure it ticks the boxes of "courteous and professional" but I might consider it! + noone came up with anything better.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by drexl

It's not a super big deal because I stopped advertising them many years ago and the $ is tiny but somehow with the revshare model it is headed towards the payment threshold.


In short: due diligence doesn't check.
They changed their business details and these don't match what I see on governments company sites, besides their support has no clue about their own company structure. I am therefore unable to update my documents.

There are other things like lack of support responsiveness, promo content disappearing, major changes in terms of service without notice, etc ..


If you do business you know that it is not just about making money.
Once they generate an invoice for you with their dubious address + new company name that doesn't exist in the said address and you file that in your tax return, what do you think can possibly go wrong?







I like that one. Not sure it ticks the boxes of "courteous and professional" but I might consider it! + noone came up with anything better.

I get your point, but it's not your responsibility to provide valid legal details, it's their. If they fail to do that, then they will answer to the law.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by drexl

In short: due diligence doesn't check.
They changed their business details and these don't match what I see on governments company sites, besides their support has no clue about their own company structure. I am therefore unable to update my documents...


...If you do business you know that it is not just about making money.
Once they generate an invoice for you with their dubious address + new company name that doesn't exist in the said address and you file that in your tax return, what do you think can possibly go wrong?

I was curious as to why you'd make such a step

makes 100% sense. good call. props for running a solid biz and for wanting to terminate the arrangement with professionalism and class


I really doubt you're gonna have to twist their arm to get them not to pay you. hope it's a smooth, hassle-free end



re the message, if all else fails, including BM's mighty 'Yo Mamma' and a good , maybe try:


'Hello Sponsor,

It was a good run. I'm just not that into you

Please delete my account and do not send me/my company any further payments as of this day, D/M/Y

Thank you for your time and kind regards,

Drexl

PS I have blocked you on whatsapp'

[PornDiscounts-R]

Originally Posted by Klen

I get your point, but it's not your responsibility to provide valid legal details, it's their. If they fail to do that, then they will answer to the law.

It surely depends on the country but that would not be true in Denmark. We are required to collect business info and actually check that a VAT number is valid. (EU) outside of eu, it would be something like EIN that can also be verified. So there is a responsibility on the affliate side too. Again, probably depending on country.

For our EU sales, we have to enter that in our IRS system and it is simply not possible without a valid VAT number. They check that on the fly as you enter your data.

[Tasty1]

Hello Idiot,

Delete my account and all the consumers that subscribed under my account for your shitty program.
Don't rebill them for your scam website!

The remaining balance can be sent to a good cause, like an animal shelter.
Cause i don't want the money from asholes like you!


Your sincerely,

Drexl

[Klen]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-R

It surely depends on the country but that would not be true in Denmark. We are required to collect business info and actually check that a VAT number is valid. (EU) outside of eu, it would be something like EIN that can also be verified. So there is a responsibility on the affliate side too. Again, probably depending on country.

For our EU sales, we have to enter that in our IRS system and it is simply not possible without a valid VAT number. They check that on the fly as you enter your data.

For VAT number check, yes that is normal(as EU is anal about that), but for non-EU companies/entities is unrealistic to make checks, as a lot of countries dont have public company registrars.

[drexl]

Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-R

It surely depends on the country but that would not be true in Denmark. We are required to collect business info and actually check that a VAT number is valid. (EU) outside of eu, it would be something like EIN that can also be verified. So there is a responsibility on the affliate side too. Again, probably depending on country.

For our EU sales, we have to enter that in our IRS system and it is simply not possible without a valid VAT number. They check that on the fly as you enter your data.

This is correct.

There are some complications in some cases, for example with companies that are part of a VAT group: you can check the VAT number of the group itself but you don't see if the company you are dealing with is actually in the group. You need to ask them a certificate.

Originally Posted by Klen

I get your point, but it's not your responsibility to provide valid legal details, it's their. If they fail to do that, then they will answer to the law.

Actually in the EU if you make business with a company that is later found fraudulent and even if you genuinely didn't know, you are going down. This is why they make a strong statement on the importance of due diligence.

This is also why it is important for affiliates to ask their EU sponsor to supply a valid self-billing invoice and to have it sent by email.

[JustBiz]

Hello,

I'm insulted that you want to send me money. I can't believe you think I would require you to pay.

I thought we had a genuine emotional connection.

Heartbroken,
Drexl

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Just send them an email stating that you wish to terminate business - Tell them that you have removed / deactivate all links as of the date of the email, and you wish your account to be closed and balance owed paid out.

Thats "courteous, professional and legal"

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN

Your better off transferring the account to someone else.

really? Aff would rather their affiliates to transfer accounts to another, this another could be an ass hat...

Deleting an account or simply an inactive account is much better for the sponsor & the affiliate

For anyone to just assume everything would be ok with a sponsor, when, like with drexl, he wants to close the account, obviously something is up with the sponsor.

Originally Posted by lockept93

Honestly if u dont want take their money for reasons...take it and spend it to some charity. Plant trees with that money if u dont want it.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

This was going to be my comment as well.

Over the years there's definitely been programs I would not want to be associated with.

[Focus]

Originally Posted by drexl

I want to stop my business relationship with an affiliate program in particular.

I don't want my revshares to keep growing and I don't want to receive money from them anymore.

Anyone has a template I could use so it is courteous, professional and legal?

Which program is it if you don't mind?

[CourtneyR_FFN]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

really? Aff would rather their affiliates to transfer accounts to another, this another could be an ass hat...

Deleting an account or simply an inactive account is much better for the sponsor & the affiliate

For anyone to just assume everything would be ok with a sponsor, when, like with drexl, he wants to close the account, obviously something is up with the sponsor.

More so my opinion.

If you are not interested in receiving the funds you can just put the account out of mind or request the account be terminated. We don't mind closing an account at the request of the affiliate, but it rarely happens.

If they want to transfer it to someone else that is there call. Of course proper documentation of the transfer is needed.

[BigFurry]

Just send them an email that you'd like to close your affiliate account and ask them to pay your outstanding balance.

Never had any issues with this in the past, programs honored these requests.

[drexl]

Originally Posted by Focus

Which program is it if you don't mind?

I prefer not to name this particular program. Instead I will give some general guidelines and good business practice for my EU affiliate colleagues. For my non-EU friends they can sherry pick from the below:

Intro
It’s not just about making $. We all should dedicate a certain amount of time to research, understand and make sure to know who we are doing business with.
It is your responsibility to take ownership of this, most account managers specialize in promo tools and traffic related questions . Furthermore, it is not their ass on the line, simply put: they don’t care (don't blame them, that's life).

Your are a business
It doesn’t matter if you are a guy making $200 / month or a Ltd company making $200k, if you are an affiliate marketer you are considered a business and your relationship with the company that runs the affiliate program is B2B.
You are the service provider (you are getting paid) and the company that runs the affiliate program is the business customer (they are paying you).

In the EU you must issue an invoice to your EU customers. More below.


Terms of Service (ToS)
Check that the ToS include the name and address of the company that runs the affiliate program. The name should be checked in the government company search (specific to the country of the company).
Red flag: the ToS only shows an affiliate program name and no company. Don’t sign up, you don’t know who they are and you don’t have the necessary info.
Red flag: the company name does not exist in the government company search. Don’t sign up.
Orange Flag: There is a company name but no address. You need the billing country to determine the place of supply and how are you going to verify the company exists in the gvt company search?

Tax ID
Noticed how affiliate programs asked you to verify your ID (ex: passport), enter your tax number (tin) or fill in a W8-BEN form? That’s because they are businesses and they are taking it seriously so should you : ask them for THEIR Tax ID : EIN or VAT number. It is annoying that they don’t volunteer that info. Beware of anything sent casually on Skype because of the "don’t care/don’t know" factor mentioned previously.
Once they gave you that ID, check for it in VIES* to make sure the name of the company matches the VAT number. If the name of the company doesn’t match but the number is valid it may be because the company is within a VAT group, in this case ask for the group cert.

*Check a VAT number with VIES: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...vat-validation

Invoices
Any EU business (you included) is required to issue an invoice. For example if you were a Spanish web designer who designed a website for a Portuguese company, you’d send the Portuguese company an invoice and they would pay you.

In the affiliate business the payments are sent even if you are not sending them an invoice but it doesn’t mean no invoice is required. What most EU companies who run aff programs do is generate a self-invoice. That’s an invoice issued to themselves (the business customer) and they send you (the service provider) a copy . There is no difference between a self-invoice and an invoice, it achieves the same result.

An invoice is not just a template found in Google and filled in casually by a traffic manager : for it to be valid it must include mandatory information and be generated as part of an existing billing system (the sequential numbering is going to be a large number, if you receive an invoice number of 1 you should ask questions…).
Ideally the invoice is sent prior to payment and by email as opposed to 2 weeks after payment and downloadable from an online dashboard.)

Note: a payout log, or stats dashboard, or even receipts aren’t invoices.
Here is what an EU invoice must include to be valid : https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.e...icing-rules_en

Bank or e-wallet Statements
Check your statements and verify that the name of the payout sender is the company who you have an agreement with. At this stage it should match the ToS, company name search and VIES.

Summary
If you are an affiliate of a program that emails you valid self-invoices in advance + the name of that company shows up on your statements and in the ToS + their VAT ID checks on VIES with the correct name and billing country : you’re good to go! Anything else, get to work, get the info you need or ditch them.

[fris]

ill take the free money ;)

[drexl]

Originally Posted by fris

ill take the free money ;)

Me: "It’s not just about making $"
You: "I'll take the free money"


Dude, you made my day!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Never understood why people ask for this? Like what does it actually achieve except a bit of hassle and time wasted for both parties?
Why not just not login anymore and stop promoting them would seem the easy solution.

I've never understood why people shut down entire affiliate programs. Shut down the program but keep the sites alive and so long as the hosting bill is covered it's all good...