Age Verification Question

[mrmarlowe]

Regarding the new UK age verification laws that are soon to come into effect. I must admit I haven't really read up on it much but am just starting to think about it and how we can implement it. We're based in the UK so have to comply with the new UK age verification laws...I notice some websites are already making changes to their sites. Like the Wank it Now sites:

https://www.wankitnow.com/
https://www.upskirtjerk.com/
https://www.downblousejerk.com/

They have removed all previews and model menus and trailers. I'm a bit baffled as to why they don't explain what each site is about and give some site details such as how many models they have and how many videos they have and how often they update, ect... If anyone has never heard of their sites before they aren't really going to be tempted to join any of the sites.

My question is how do I know from which country someone is from when they view my site? As far as I understand I just have to not sure any adult content to anyone in the UK. I'm based in the UK.

So if someone in Australia views any of my sites they should be able to see them as they currently are now with thumbnails of a sexual nature and nudity, ect... But if anyone in the UK views any of my sites they shouldn't be allowed to see anything of a sexual nature.

I asked some of my members to look at the Wank it Now sites and they all see the same as me which is not much at all! And some are from the US and Canada and Japan and Germany, ect...

So two questions: Do I have to block any adult content to all countries if they haven't been age verified. Or if it's just people in the UK I have to block adult content from until they have been verified how do I know which country they are from when they view one of my sites?

[drexl]

You have to block UK visitors only (that's to satisfy Ofcom).

To check visitor's geo, it depends on your stack (PHP, ...).

You can ask your hosting provider. If you have Cloudflare it injects a header with a country code : CF-IPCountry

UK country code is GB.

[mrmarlowe]

Originally Posted by drexl

You have to block UK visitors only (that's to satisfy Ofcom).

To check visitor's geo, it depends on your stack (PHP, ...).

You can ask your hosting provider. If you have Cloudflare it injects a header with a country code : CF-IPCountry

UK country code is GB.

Thanks. Some of my sites are just html so that might be a problem. I just don't understand why some sites like the Wank it Now sites are blocking all countries from seeing their preview videos and updates and model directory. Surely they would have the technical knowledge to just block UK surfers.

[cerulean]

Age verification is a complicated topic where no simple solution exists. I wish it did.

At a minimum, I think you need some kind of legal representation to tell you exactly where you sit in regard to compliance. The same could be said for questions related to 2257s in the US, model releases, etc. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think many of the posters here are lawyers either.

None of the content you're showing appears to be blocked in the United States. So it seems they are doing some kind of geolocation work here. There are EU laws being discussed now, so maybe they're preemptively blocking locations they deem risky. Did you ask them?

Geolocation is something you can integrate at the server level and also at the backend level. There are various services that perform this, some for a fee, others are free (and there is an inherent risk in inaccuracy.)

Most of the systems that I have become familiar with that perform age verification as a service require a developer to integrate. Some software already has age verification integration as part of their system. How that works is up to them, and if you want something custom, generally you have to pay for it.

It's a really messy time for age verification, because there is no official, international, fully vetted standard.

[mrmarlowe]

Originally Posted by cerulean

Age verification is a complicated topic where no simple solution exists. I wish it did.

At a minimum, I think you need some kind of legal representation to tell you exactly where you sit in regard to compliance. The same could be said for questions related to 2257s in the US, model releases, etc. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think many of the posters here are lawyers either.

None of the content you're showing appears to be blocked in the United States. So it seems they are doing some kind of geolocation work here. There are EU laws being discussed now, so maybe they're preemptively blocking locations they deem risky. Did you ask them?

Geolocation is something you can integrate at the server level and also at the backend level. There are various services that perform this, some for a fee, others are free (and there is an inherent risk in inaccuracy.)

Most of the systems that I have become familiar with that perform age verification as a service require a developer to integrate. Some software already has age verification integration as part of their system. How that works is up to them, and if you want something custom, generally you have to pay for it.

It's a really messy time for age verification, because there is no official, international, fully vetted standard.

Thanks. Yes this age verification is so complicated and unclear.

Interesting that for you the Wank it Now non-member pages still have content on like trailers. A few of the members of one of my sites are also in the US and they can't see the trailers or model menus now.

I have a few ideas to try and make things work once age verification laws kick in. I might ask our hosting company Mojo Host about it for advice.

I think most likely what we're going to do is just not have any adult images or videos on the non member pages. So just get rid of it for everyone no matter what country they live in. Then on the homepages of our sites we'll explain why this is but try to give a good description of what the sites are about.

We have a Preview Site that we are currently turning into a member site:

https://www.onlylookingpreview.com/

Previously it had video samples from our sites that anyone could see.

We will give all current and ex-members of our sites access to it. Also anyone can join for just $2.95 though we will have to verify their age when age verification laws come into effect. Members of the preview site will be able to see video samples and previews and will be able to see update pages for our sites and model menus. Because these will all be in the member section of the preview site age verification laws won't apply.

[TubesBooster]

and what does the law say? how is the authorisation to be carried out ? Is it an external company ? or ?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mrmarlowe

Thanks. Some of my sites are just html so that might be a problem. I just don't understand why some sites like the Wank it Now sites are blocking all countries from seeing their preview videos and updates and model directory. Surely they would have the technical knowledge to just block UK surfers.

They´re not...


I can see previews & everything here in Spain.


Likewise with the MC sites, my site only displays the AV system for sites in the UK. I´ve spoke to the MC team & hopefully they´re going to create or allow site owners to create SFW tours, so the AVS would only need to trigger is purchasing the subscription

[mrmarlowe]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

They´re not...


I can see previews & everything here in Spain.


Likewise with the MC sites, my site only displays the AV system for sites in the UK. I´ve spoke to the MC team & hopefully they´re going to create or allow site owners to create SFW tours, so the AVS would only need to trigger is purchasing the subscription

Hi Natalie, thanks for letting me know that. I don't know how Wank it Now are doing things as it's odd that a lot of members from my sites in different countries can't see the Wank it Now previews.

I'm just thinking along the lines of not having any previews for my sites. Just a page explaining about age verification. But I'll look into it more soon and your suggestions regarding what you're doing with your site.

I've just checked your site out:

https://www.nataliek.xxx/

and because I'm in the UK I just get the age verification required box popping up.

A suggestion to you would be to make the image here:

https://www.nataliek.xxx/login

without the cock!

It's just that a minor could click on the link where it says Have an account? Login.

Highly unlikely though but it is showing an adult sexual image to someone who might not actually be age verified.

[desertz1]

"Also anyone can join for just $2.95 though we will have to verify their age when age verification laws come into effect." - if you're charging for access isn't that verifying someone's age? Or are our Ofcom Overlords not happy with that?

[mrmarlowe]

Originally Posted by desertz1

"Also anyone can join for just $2.95 though we will have to verify their age when age verification laws come into effect." - if you're charging for access isn't that verifying someone's age? Or are our Ofcom Overlords not happy with that?

I don't know. It's all a bit too confusing for me. My brain hurts!

[TheLegacy]

just dropping this piece of info

there are programs out there that can identify VPN's you may want to talk to your programmer on.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by mrmarlowe

I don't know. It's all a bit too confusing for me. My brain hurts!

I use Yoti for age verification. Choose your countries, states, continents if you like. Put up a SFW page that is enticing, and the verification takes place post CC info. Use a decent VPN, to see what your competition is doing in Kentucky.
Here is an example of what I do in the areas I choose. BTW, I use an English AVS company called Yoti. But there is choice of AVS companies out there.

https://stockingsvr.com/restricted/

[xxxclusive]

Originally Posted by fastball

I use Yoti for age verification. Choose your countries, states, continents if you like. Put up a SFW page that is enticing, and the verification takes place post CC info. Use a decent VPN, to see what your competition is doing in Kentucky.
Here is an example of what I do in the areas I choose. BTW, I use an English AVS company called Yoti. But there is choice of AVS companies out there.

https://stockingsvr.com/restricted/

If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.

[desertz1]

Originally Posted by mrmarlowe

I don't know. It's all a bit too confusing for me. My brain hurts!

"Per Ofcom’s guidance on highly effective age assurance measures, in the UK individuals must be over 18 to obtain a credit card, therefore credit card issuers are obliged to verify the age of applicants before providing them with a credit card.
3D Secure (3DS) adds strong customer authentication, adding an extra level of security confirming ownership of the card."

So if you're charging all visitors $2.95 or however much, you are complying - I think lol until they change their minds

[INever]

Does this mean google will require face scan ID age verification to look at uncensored (image) search results? Or Ebay or Amazon when buying an old playboy or hustler?

[fastball]

Originally Posted by xxxclusive

If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.

Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?

[Tubevideditor]

Originally Posted by fastball

Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?

I see some (mainly bigger sites) using AV after the actual join from a soft/SFW tour but I do see how that could piss off some paying customers. I guess they are doing that for cost purposes as sites with big traffic would end up paying a shit ton of AV check fees with a much smaller percentage of surfers actually joining so that would be a loss making event.

Other sites using a soft/SFW tour have AV before the join, then letting surfers see the proper NSFW tour, then the join as normal without the 'shock' of being greeted by AV checks once they've paid there hard earned cash before they can login.
Its more cost to the site again with AV check fees but there are some that are totally free providing you self host the script.

Then there's the ModelCentro way that are charging the customer for the AV check without seeing a thing. Its not something I would personally use but I understand they did that due to lack of time and are working on something better?

Be interesting to see how the big tubes implement things as they have until later this month to comply (at least in the UK with OFCOM) as I hear Pornhub may be doing something a little different.

And as for UK/OFCOM, you could ask your biller to not accept debit cards (as under 18's can get these) and just use Credit cards for joins with a SFW tour/no AV checks. This I think should satisfy OFCOM but from our figures, you would lose a ton of customers as debit cards are close to 70% of UK joins comparted to 30% CC joins.

So in short, there is probably no 'best' solution yet as its early days.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

I see some (mainly bigger sites) using AV after the actual join from a soft/SFW tour but I do see how that could piss off some paying customers. I guess they are doing that for cost purposes as sites with big traffic would end up paying a shit ton of AV check fees with a much smaller percentage of surfers actually joining so that would be a loss making event.

Other sites using a soft/SFW tour have AV before the join, then letting surfers see the proper NSFW tour, then the join as normal without the 'shock' of being greeted by AV checks once they've paid there hard earned cash before they can login.
Its more cost to the site again with AV check fees but there are some that are totally free providing you self host the script.

Then there's the ModelCentro way that are charging the customer for the AV check without seeing a thing. Its not something I would personally use but I understand they did that due to lack of time and are working on something better?

Be interesting to see how the big tubes implement things as they have until later this month to comply (at least in the UK with OFCOM) as I hear Pornhub may be doing something a little different.

And as for UK/OFCOM, you could ask your biller to not accept debit cards (as under 18's can get these) and just use Credit cards for joins with a SFW tour/no AV checks. This I think should satisfy OFCOM but from our figures, you would lose a ton of customers as debit cards are close to 70% of UK joins comparted to 30% CC joins.

So in short, there is probably no 'best' solution yet as its early days.

There is no one size fits all solution, but there will be AVS. Choose your flavor. I kind of look at it like old school magazine racks where the "dirty picture" mags were wrapped in plastic with SFW pictures of the style of content on the visible cover. You had to buy it to unwrap it.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by xxxclusive

If I would sign up with CC and then get asked for a face/ID scan I would click the x and issue a chargeback right away.

Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.

[xxxclusive]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.

Then they are as good as dead. Will be fun once the first data leak with faces of all porn cosumers is out lol

Originally Posted by fastball

Then I assume you have a better solution. Please share it with us. Or are you just ranting?

Let us know how much your UK sighn ups dropped with this method. I bet simply IP banning UK wouldn't be much worse.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by xxxclusive

Then they are as good as dead. Will be fun once the first data leak with faces of all porn cosumers is out lol



Let us know how much your UK sighn ups dropped with this method. I bet simply IP banning UK wouldn't be much worse.

I asked you a question and you ducked. Why is that?

[xxxclusive]

Originally Posted by fastball

I asked you a question and you ducked. Why is that?

You know the answer to your stupid question.

Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.

[xxxclusive]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Most of the biggest paysites are doing this now.

Ans which ones should these be?

Vixen is doing non-nude tour and CC only, just checked with VPN.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by xxxclusive

You know the answer to your stupid question.

Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.

Originally Posted by xxxclusive

You know the answer to your stupid question.

Now tell us by how many % your sales dropped and your chargeback ratio increased with your method, we are curious.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.
I am guessing your proposed "solution" will come in two weeks.

But until then, may I ask: What is your role in this business, and what concrete steps are you taking right now to address this existential crisis?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mrmarlowe

Hi Natalie, thanks for letting me know that. I don't know how Wank it Now are doing things as it's odd that a lot of members from my sites in different countries can't see the Wank it Now previews.

I'm just thinking along the lines of not having any previews for my sites. Just a page explaining about age verification. But I'll look into it more soon and your suggestions regarding what you're doing with your site.

I've just checked your site out:

https://www.nataliek.xxx/

and because I'm in the UK I just get the age verification required box popping up.

A suggestion to you would be to make the image here:

https://www.nataliek.xxx/login

without the cock!

It's just that a minor could click on the link where it says Have an account? Login.

Highly unlikely though but it is showing an adult sexual image to someone who might not actually be age verified.

sadly the AV comes up on every page including the FHG´s, so now, any page you look at on a Modelcentro website displays an AVS with a $1.50 charge, if wanting to proceed...

I´ve heard there´s an idea for sfw tours and FHGS, this could and would work, so hopefully they will proceed and do this

[fastball]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

sadly the AV comes up on every page including the FHG´s, so now, any page you look at on a Modelcentro website displays an AVS with a $1.50 charge, if wanting to proceed...

I´ve heard there´s an idea for sfw tours and FHGS, this could and would work, so hopefully they will proceed and do this

I looked your site from Kentucky and got the AVS page. When I took a screen cap, it unexpectedly saved a bunch of explicit pussy pcitures in the same shot.

I’m not a tech person, so I’m not sure how that happened, but if someone in Kentucky sees that, it could become a serious problem — not so much from government oversight, but from opportunistic civil lawsuits.

Just giving you a heads-up. You might want to check how your AVS page handles background content or cached images so this doesn’t create liability for you or your users.