adultinnovation

seemed like a really corny, cringy decade

CurrentlySober

Nahh... Looking back, you didnt have much, but at the time what you did have was better than the stuff today!

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Mr Pheer

It was my first 10 years of life. I had a bb gun and a bicycle, and later on an Atari so it was ok. I had a chauffer, a housekeeper, laundry was done for me, I didn't have to pay bills or even cook for myself.

How was it bad?

Rochard

Their clothes were ugly. And so much fucking hair.

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Even too much, sometimes

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TheLegacy

I grew up in the 70s it was one of the greatest periods for many things. From music to cars and girls. We had nothing like woke culture - and high schoolers often met in forests for something called bush parties where you had a campfire and drank most of the night.

Schools had smoking areas - blacks were treated normally (at least in my city) and education was better because you had to actually read and go to libraries to do research which meant you couldn't really cheat why using internet etc. so yes - you got smarter

There was so much positive stuff to the 70s - so if you were younger you probably didn't see the best

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The best post World War II decades (in this order):

1960's
1970's
1990's
1980's
1950's

The 21st Century has SUCKED ASS for 24 years now.

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The 70's was probably the least racist decade in the history of America.

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sarettah

This^^

Best decade of my life.

No AIDs, Free sex, lots of cheap smoke. Star Wars! A whole lot less fat people.

JesseQuinn

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The Porn Nerd

Yes!

The Jeffersons
Good Times
Roots
Blacula
Shaft
The Wiz
Mahogany
Sanford and Son
Richard Pryor AND Gene Wilder - TOGETHER....

Let's get back to the 1970's.

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JesseQuinn

I think some at the time felt the 70's was a hangover of the 60's (not my words, I read that and found it interesting)

but still:

-continuation of the civil rights struggle
-reproductive freedom (in North America at least, then, way to turn back the clock USA)
-no AIDS as mentioned
-'hard' drugs were soft by today's standards
-birth of hip hop

not an idyllic time (has there ever been one) but setting aside appalling apparel (as if the 80's were much better) it was an important decade

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Huggles

Everyone I know that is older than me said the 1970's was fucking amazing, and things got even better in the 1980's but there was a brief period in the 80's with some economy slowdowns, but overall it was a really good time. If you worked and even bagged groceries, you could afford a house. Those people that bagged groceries in the 1980's are now multi-millionaires from their housing values.

Now, if you just bag groceries, you are making minimum wage and sharing a bedroom in a basement suite with 0 chance of ever saving up for a down payment without eating at dollar stores and investing every dollar you have in the stock market and anything else that can appreciate in value.

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sarettah

that is bullshit about grocery baggers affording houses.

Huggles

Bruh it was absolutely not, if you had a government liquor store job bagging booze, you could absolutely afford a home in Vancouver. There were plenty of people that could on even the most basic jobs of garbage man, janitor, grocery clerk.

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TheLegacy

I may get in trouble for saying this but things changed during the 80's when homes along with cost of living went up and no longer was there a single source of income - now the wife had to work. Having a 2 income family not only broke apart families but now kids after school were not monitored by a parent so they could do anything they wanted such as taking their gf or bf home and having sex. Birth rates went up - kids had nothing to do with their time so they got into trouble because parents weren't around.

Women's rights were now pushing for more equality and ability to look after themselves without someone else. In short - the family unit was being torn apart during that time.

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There were many 2 income households in the 60's and in the 70's.

House prices have always risen. My Dad and Mom bought our house in Levittown, NY in 1960 for $21k. It was sold in 1973 for $73k and that was a low price for the area. That house shows on zillow for 680,600. If the housing prices had risen as fast as they did in the 60's (3.47 times value in a decade) the house would have been in the mid $800k range by 1993. It is not.

Families were hardly being forced apart. As kids we had responsibilities that kids no longer have, I could cook on a stove by the time I was 5. By 8 I was allowed to use a stove unsupervised. We were expected to take on more responsibilities the older we got and more freedom as we showed we were responsible.

We were not given cars, we had to earn our own money. I started earning money when I was 5 or 6, collecting deposit bottles. The small ones were worth 2 cents and the big ones were a nickel. By age 12 I had a paper route and did babysitting for neighbor kids. By age 15 I was working as a waiter or busboy for several catering companies and at age 17 I started life guarding. My brothers and sisters and my friends were all working as that was the only way to get money because our parents sure weren't giving it to us.

Woman's rights were a very big issue in the 60's, culminating in the legalization of abortion in 1973. It wasn't until 1974 that a woman in the US could get a credit card in their own name. Politicians worked to keep women down and the corporate world tried to paint the picture of the Happy Housewife. In reality there was an epidemic of tranquilizer abuse. (insert here video of Mother's Little Helper by the Stones).

It is total bullshit that woman's rights and women working led to the breakdown of the American Family. It was divorce and the keeping women down that led to the breakdown of the American family.

And I still call bullshit on Huggle's minimum wage worker's buying house's easily at anytime in history. Could a minimum wage worker buy a house? Sure, if they saved up for a hell of a long time and signed onto a ridiculous interest rate. But the same is true today. With minimum wages hitting $20 ($40,000/year income) it is easier than ever before for a minimum wage worker to get into a house. Not all houses are in the $500k+ range. You can still score a decent house in the $150k range in many areas and with decent credit you can get approved on a $40k/year income.

Fact of the matter, after WWII a shitload of soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen came back from WWII and went to college on the GI bill. Thus a whole bunch of then were making quite a bit more than minimum wage. Then add top that the VA loan programs and developers creating low price housing for the returning vets. So between 1945 and 1960 it was a lot easier for many folks to get into houses but most were not minimum wage. They were predominantly white, middle class, protestant men that could afford housing.

Huggles

When I was growing up in the 80's my mother worked part-time and practically none of the women in my neighbourhood worked. We used to be able to walk into any of our neighbour's homes and get fed as well. The entire block I lived on had an open-door policy for all the kids, basically. Everyone was friendly. It was really blue-collar and everyone worked regular jobs like the phone company, janitor, garbage man, in fact, my neighbour, Gordon the garbage man, had the most toys! He bought a brand new Corvette and would rip up the street for all the kids.

Current assessment: 2.8 mil.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3...14350929_zpid/

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Millenials and Gen Z-ers should just chill the fuck out. They will get all that sweet Baby Boomer money (and houses, and businesses, and real estate, and...) in a few years.

THEN they can fuck everything up and lose it all on Bitcoin and Only Fans. Woohoo what a future!!

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Look Chang

Hippy girl in the 70s, I'm nostalgic of this period . . .

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And the 69' Woodstock Love Fest with its 400,000 spectators . . .

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JesseQuinn

yes, quite terrifying. almost as scary as having to rely on someone else for income

follow up S's Stones track with Under My Thumb


props for mentioning that the VA loan programs excluded many. a fundamental economic shift in the transfer of intergenerational wealth down the road and so many left out. love everything you write


I was born in the late 70's (number one reason why it was an awesome decade) but child of the 80's. I had my own house key, TTC (public transit) pass, no fucking phone. I just...went out. not like my parents were afraid of me not doing my homework. never learned to cook cuz why? I do know how to work a stove though. in theory

never even had a curfew, I was just raised to be aware of my surroundings and where possible make sure I had my friends around

my parents did get freaked out when Leslie Mahaffy's body parts were discovered in a lake. my mom put in me in a self defense class, which was fun, and they kept going on about ish that was obvious about safety, which was irritating

I feel sad reminiscing on kids having more freedom to explore. in large part cuz it makes me feel old


now off to build a white picket fence and acquire an apron to wear when I open tins of Fancy Feast so my girls don't feel neglected

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The 70s were the best years of my life. Long hair, Rock-n-Roll and bell bottoms ruled. Blondie and Boston rocked and Exorcist shocked. SNL was brand new and funny. Big Mac, a gallon of gas, and movie tickets were still under a dollar. I bought my first car, a mint 1964 Mustang hatchback, for $1400. College was $45 per credit. Vietnam was over and everyone was still celebrating and enjoying the peace. Space race was ahead and wars were behind us. We were naive and happy.

Grapesoda

Let's see here for a moment, ban the bra and birth control.... and NO Aids, NO Herpes.... oh yeah it was fucking horrible

Grapesoda

My first adult job as a heavy equipment operator in 1973 paid $3.75 per hour. The guys I worked with had at stay at home wives and owned their homes....

Huggles

Today a heavy equipment operator / class 1 with air brakes driver job pays like $22-$26 an hour in Canada, at least in the Okanagan where I am... that is like $1500 every 2 weeks...

BUT

A meager 1-bedroom apartment is $1500 a month... utilities, food, car insurance, gas... probably add another $800 a month... so you're basically looking at $600 a month left over for investing, fun, etc etc...

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Grapesoda

yes the big boys are sucking the wealth from the middle class.

sarettah

1/4 monthly pay for rent is what I also considered standard, nothing new there.

When I got out of the Navy in 1982, in the midst of the Reagan recession, I was making $2.75/hr (minimum wage) as a computer operator. So, I was making $440/month before taxes and my rent for a ghetto type apartment was $100/month.

sarettah

Hey Jesse,

The VA program did not exclude. It was the bankers and the developers that excluded. For example, in the town I grew up in you could not buy a house unless you were white Christians. That was the rules Levitt set in 1949 or 1950 for buyers of the homes. In reality, by 1960 there were Protestants, Catholics and Jews living in Levittown, mainly because you can't tell a Jew from a Christian by just looking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown,_New_York


The houses he built originally sold for around $8,000. But with the GI bill and such you could get into one for about $400 (5%).

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TheLegacy

Perhaps I forgot to mention that my experience was from a Canadian point of view living in a medium sized city so things may have been much different where you iived. Yet for me I still stand by my assessment since it happened in my region.

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Ok, I get it. In Canada the breakdown of the household is all women's fault because they dared to want equal rights.

That doesn't sound misogynistic at all.

JesseQuinn

thanks for clarifying my miswording, and yeah, 100% correct what you stated above

as a canuck I only know about this cuz it was part of a high school project I did on housing discrimination in North America. was trying to not get too political here by stating that Black vets were in large part locked out of it. even though it's historical fact and shouldn't be 'political'. these days though?

but yeah, the VA was def not to blame *tips cap

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TheLegacy

Wow you're very sensitive today. The fault was both parents not just one... and even then it was the government who kept raising prices and taxes thereby forcing both parents away from home. NOTE parenting is a responsibility of both

I didn't do it - and I was in my teens at the time so cut me some slack.

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nope, not sensitive at all. just calling them like i see them.

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https://kelowna.craigslist.org/apa/d...739040964.html

$1550 for a 300 sqft studio... making like $30 an hour, you'll take home about $1800 every 2 weeks... after phone ($100), gas (at least $200 a month to get to work, $10 a day commute), insurance($100 a month on a 1993 Acura Integra), internet ($50 a month)... you're looking at $2000 in overhead before food, entertainment, gym, savings... So that $1600 you have left over, probably like $400 for food, $50 gym, $150 for entertainment... so then you're down to $1000 a month extra for every other expense... real thin livin' in Canada even working full time at $30 an hour as a single person...

Now imagine minimum wage... you'll be renting a room for $900-$1000 a month and that will be 50% of your income right there... unless you share a room with a literal roommate that sleeps in the same room as you, but you can at least get a bed for $500 a month...

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In order to rent an apartment (legally through a broker) in New York City (any borough) you need to earn 4x the monthly rent. Average one bedroom is currently $5000 per month.

SO: you gotta make 240k a year before a landlord will even look at your application.

The only bag boys who can afford this are holding bags of drugs on the corner yo.

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I'm moving here... we're gonna be neighbours!

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You can ignore the gym expense as the Apartment complex has a gym. It also sounds like it has plenty of amenities so you can cut your entertainment expenses by quite a lot. It has high speed internet available in the common area so if you are close enough to the router you have free internet. Your food budget can be cut by a lot if you use the community gardens and make your food from scratch. $400 is a pretty high budget for a single person for food. Your phone cost is high, there are plans available in the area for as low as $21/month.

https://www.whistleout.ca/CellPhones...lumbia/Kelowna



That's sounds like a pretty nice apartment complex, but that rent might be too high for budget. Still you have money left over which is way more than some people can say.

You can also find much bigger, much cheaper apartments in the area:

How about this one:

https://kelowna.craigslist.org/apa/d...737099387.html

$800 for a 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom apartment just minutes away from downtown West Kelowna.

Or this:

https://kelowna.craigslist.org/apa/d...724915497.html

Fully furnished 2 br apartment in Kelowna for $1000/month.

Those took me seconds to find and are both within the budget for a salary of 60,000/year, which is what you are talking about.

Oh my god, you have to live within a budget? How fucking horrible is that?

Minimum wage (at least here in the U.S. was never meant to support a person fully. It was created predominantly for 16 year olds, with no experience, in their first job. Grocery clerks, bagboys, fast food counter people were never meant as career jobs.

If you have a year or more of work experience, and you are still only making minimum wage, you are doing something wrong.

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I would definitely rather live in the 70s in the US than in 2020s.

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Huggles

The second one you posted is by the room:

Bedroom 1 (master bedroom, ensuite bathroom) - $1100
Bedroom 2 (has own bathroom) - $1000

The first one you posted has a gmail account in the ad... big red flag for a scam:
email us: kkate0996atgmail.com for more response.
$800 a month for a 2 bedroom is going to get tons of desperate people and they will reply back with a request for a "fee" or a "send a deposit right away to secure it!" and you can guess what happens... in Canada, we have massive, massive amounts of scams and scammers here. Tons of ads you see are scams.

Trust me... I've been looking for places to live, and I'm seriously living in a leaky-roof, mice-filled shack for $900 a month because there is nooooooothing good for cheap anywhere from Vernon to Penticton...



I'm happy to have this place for $900 a month all included! There is seriously nothing decent for under $1500 that isn't a seasonal rental where you have to scramble for housing every 6 months.

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i missed that, apologies.

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