Neo, Zion, and everything outside The Matrix - GoFuckYourself.com

SexySarah · 08-26-2003, 09:47 AM

It's all actually in The Matrix.

It's just an extra layer - a matrix within a matrix to just give humans even more feeling of 'being real'.

But it's all in the Matrix.

The machines have full control.

In other words - all The Matrix films were 'a dream'

You'll find this out in the final Matrix

Fucking lame.

Lane · 08-26-2003, 09:48 AM

search for my matrix posts, that was my prediction exactly after watching the second movie

and why is it lame? its a perfect twist IMO

-=HOAX=- · 08-26-2003, 09:49 AM

Oh great...that's fucked...I thought it was all real.

Lane · 08-26-2003, 09:51 AM

Ok all, first I am going to try to clarify the basic argument I see here and then add my ow evidence. The Matrix within the Matrix idea makes alot of sense. First we know the architect is telling the truth about this being the sixth (or at least not the first Matrix). We know this because there are all the programs that have taken a life of their own within the Matrix. If it were the first Matrix there would be very few of these programs such as Oracle, Mirovigian, the twins, etc.

I think that the Matrix is much bigger then we are led to believe in the first one. We now see all these residual old programs. If these programs are in fact old ones that avoided being deleted by the system as Oracle tells Neo then we would expect them to be somewhat powerful (which they are) and also to have some ulterior motives. We would think these programs are trying to regain power.

Now, I think the Matrix within the Matrix idea is right. Evidence for this:
1. Architect tells Neo 1% of people hve some itch (the itch they talk about in part one when they free Neo from the Matrix) and recognize choice and so reject the Matrix. The Zion Matrix so to speak is where these people are sent and they believe it to be the real world. But in fact it is the layer meant to handle them and keep these people from destroying the main layer of the Matrix. It is in essence a subsystem.
2. The One is one of these people who somehow gains greater power. This power is recognized if not created by the machines and is used to flush the system.
3. What I think happens is this. These people reject the Matrix and so are freed into the subsystem which is the Zion resistence program. Here they believe they are out of the Matrix so never realize it is indeed more of the Matrix and not freedom. Anyway, I think more and more of these people are freed into the subsystem and then as the numbers get larger the machines start to worry that perhaps one of them will figure it out or just that the deviant population is too large. When this happens they flush the subsystem and start over. That is the ones job. Zion is flushed, all the rebels are killed except for a small group which begins the process again. The machines have to let some people live to recruit the people who are rejecting the program or else the Matrix could fail.
4. Anyway, it seems to me the Zion subsystem is like the ultimate safety valve. They get people out of the main system who could ruin it and then still have them under control. They kill them whenever the numbers get to large. Remember in the movie when Morpheus says that they have freed more people in the last 6 months then they did in the past 6 years. Obviously Zion begins to get to big and them it is time to get rid of it and start over. The machines can't simply kill all the rebels or they have nothing to do with people who feel the itch and reject the program.

More evidence of the Matrix within the Matrix:

1. Agent Smith goes into the supposed real world in Bane's body. How could a computer program actually go into the real world? I think it is impossible. So, more likely Smith has realized that the supposed real world is in fact the Zion subsystem and thats how he can move into it in Bane's body. He is actually still in the Matrix.

2. Trinity's death. If Trinity really died in real life I don't think Neo could save her. She did not really die however, she only died in the Zion subsystem. Neo's love is so great he is able to bring her back to life. I also think this is where Neo realizes that the real world is only another Matrix. More on this below.

3. Zion: How could there be 6 real Zion's and no one has ever found evidence of the previous ones. Also, if the world is in such ruins how the hell can they keep finding the equipment and know how the build all the machines that run Zion. The ones Neo and the councillor watch and talk about. It seems more obvious the machines set all this up in this subsystem program and then leave it for the next group to find (the group The One chooses.)

None of this is definitive but all this evidence leads down a trail that seems to show the Matrix within the Matrix.

So where does Neo fit in?

Neo is obviously the latest incarnation of The One. He is supposed to help the machines reset the Zion subsystem according to the architect. This would make sense. With his powers he would choose the new people to repopulate Zion but also his power would allow such a small group of humans to function and be able to find new people rejecting the system.

This is supposed to be The One's role, and I believe that in this the Architect is telling the truth.

Neo however is about to throw a wrench into the system. I think that Neo has somehow been able to either amass more power, or use his powers more effectively then any "The One" who has come before him. Evidence: Remember when Mirovigian says to Neo that he is not so powerful and then has 5 or 6 guys all start shooting at once. Neo stops all the bullets and Mirovigian is amazed, like he has more power. Also, at the end of the fight after Neo kills all the henchmen Mirovigian says to Neo, "you are more powerful then the others but I have survived them and I will survive this time." Then Mironvigian runs away from Neo. Evidence 2: One thing people seem to forget. Trinity did die. She is shown flatlining and is dead. The architect is right Neo can not save her. Except, I think Neo then amazes even the architect, he has somehow become so powerful that he can manipulate the Matrix and bring Trinity back to life.

In the end when Neo kills the Sentinels I think he is using his new found knowledge (he got from talking to the architect and saving Trinity.) He has realized that the real world is in fact just another part of the Matrix and so can feel the machines and control them. I think the coma is the result of this. I think he simply processes so much information at once, and comes to such a profound discovery that his mind needs to shut down to process it. Also, if he realizes the Matrix is in the Matrix maybe he is experiencing some negative feedback from his real body somewhere.

Sorry this is so long, but I think it will be helpful to all. It seems to me there is alot of evidence that the real world is a subsystem of the Matrix. All of this evidence together seems to show this.

SexySarah · 08-26-2003, 09:51 AM

It's lame like "Jacobs Ladder"

at the end it's all a dream

fucking cop out

Basher · 08-26-2003, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexySarah
It's all actually in The Matrix.

It's just an extra layer - a matrix within a matrix to just give humans even more feeling of 'being real'.

But it's all in the Matrix.

The machines have full control.

In other words - all The Matrix films were 'a dream'

You'll find this out in the final Matrix

Fucking lame.

I thought you was posting naked pic's when you reach 1000

Basher · 08-26-2003, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane

My cats called mittens

Lane · 08-26-2003, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexySarah
It's lame like "Jacobs Ladder"

at the end it's all a dream

fucking cop out

maybe you didnt get the response you expected.

then let me be the first to say: "Fuck you, you just ruined the movie that I was looking forward to! Why did you spoil it you little bitch? I hate you for this!!!"

not really..

so, where are them titties?

untitled · 08-26-2003, 10:00 AM

it'd be cool if the series ended saying 'game over' and it zooms out to show a kid holding a controller looking up at the TV.

Ketadream · 08-26-2003, 10:02 AM

There's more to the story of "WHY" this is happening that makes it less of a cheesy copout.

detoxed · 08-26-2003, 10:14 AM

SPOILER WARNING! oh to late

Jakke PNG · 08-26-2003, 10:16 AM

It would be cool if neo was just one guy hooked in the machine in some psychic institute in the real world. Everything in the matrixes would be neo's own imagination. Fucking madman. hehe.. that would rock.

lexr · 08-26-2003, 02:53 PM

All this matrix within a matrix speculation is great fun and all.. but sorry folks, the directors already diffused these rumors.

They said MANY MANY times that it will not be a Matrix within a Matrix thing.

Lane · 08-26-2003, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lexr
All this matrix within a matrix speculation is great fun and all.. but sorry folks, the directors already diffused these rumors.

They said MANY MANY times that it will not be a Matrix within a Matrix thing.

so neo has supernatural powers in the real world?

stevecore · 08-26-2003, 03:06 PM

everyone knows the butler did it.

sperbonzo · 08-26-2003, 03:48 PM

What you guys don't realize is that Darth Vader is ACTUALLY LUKE"S FATHER!

How about THAT? Shocker, huh! Didn't see that comin' did ya'?

ytcracker · 08-26-2003, 03:52 PM

i would use the matrix to give myself a 100 foot cock and id be a hit at parties

ldinternet · 08-26-2003, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
Ok all, first I am going to try to clarify the basic argument I see here and then add my ow evidence. The Matrix within the Matrix idea makes alot of sense. First we know the architect is telling the truth about this being the sixth (or at least not the first Matrix). We know this because there are all the programs that have taken a life of their own within the Matrix. If it were the first Matrix there would be very few of these programs such as Oracle, Mirovigian, the twins, etc.

I think that the Matrix is much bigger then we are led to believe in the first one. We now see all these residual old programs. If these programs are in fact old ones that avoided being deleted by the system as Oracle tells Neo then we would expect them to be somewhat powerful (which they are) and also to have some ulterior motives. We would think these programs are trying to regain power.

Now, I think the Matrix within the Matrix idea is right. Evidence for this:
1. Architect tells Neo 1% of people hve some itch (the itch they talk about in part one when they free Neo from the Matrix) and recognize choice and so reject the Matrix. The Zion Matrix so to speak is where these people are sent and they believe it to be the real world. But in fact it is the layer meant to handle them and keep these people from destroying the main layer of the Matrix. It is in essence a subsystem.
2. The One is one of these people who somehow gains greater power. This power is recognized if not created by the machines and is used to flush the system.
3. What I think happens is this. These people reject the Matrix and so are freed into the subsystem which is the Zion resistence program. Here they believe they are out of the Matrix so never realize it is indeed more of the Matrix and not freedom. Anyway, I think more and more of these people are freed into the subsystem and then as the numbers get larger the machines start to worry that perhaps one of them will figure it out or just that the deviant population is too large. When this happens they flush the subsystem and start over. That is the ones job. Zion is flushed, all the rebels are killed except for a small group which begins the process again. The machines have to let some people live to recruit the people who are rejecting the program or else the Matrix could fail.
4. Anyway, it seems to me the Zion subsystem is like the ultimate safety valve. They get people out of the main system who could ruin it and then still have them under control. They kill them whenever the numbers get to large. Remember in the movie when Morpheus says that they have freed more people in the last 6 months then they did in the past 6 years. Obviously Zion begins to get to big and them it is time to get rid of it and start over. The machines can't simply kill all the rebels or they have nothing to do with people who feel the itch and reject the program.

More evidence of the Matrix within the Matrix:

1. Agent Smith goes into the supposed real world in Bane's body. How could a computer program actually go into the real world? I think it is impossible. So, more likely Smith has realized that the supposed real world is in fact the Zion subsystem and thats how he can move into it in Bane's body. He is actually still in the Matrix.

2. Trinity's death. If Trinity really died in real life I don't think Neo could save her. She did not really die however, she only died in the Zion subsystem. Neo's love is so great he is able to bring her back to life. I also think this is where Neo realizes that the real world is only another Matrix. More on this below.

3. Zion: How could there be 6 real Zion's and no one has ever found evidence of the previous ones. Also, if the world is in such ruins how the hell can they keep finding the equipment and know how the build all the machines that run Zion. The ones Neo and the councillor watch and talk about. It seems more obvious the machines set all this up in this subsystem program and then leave it for the next group to find (the group The One chooses.)

None of this is definitive but all this evidence leads down a trail that seems to show the Matrix within the Matrix.

So where does Neo fit in?

Neo is obviously the latest incarnation of The One. He is supposed to help the machines reset the Zion subsystem according to the architect. This would make sense. With his powers he would choose the new people to repopulate Zion but also his power would allow such a small group of humans to function and be able to find new people rejecting the system.

This is supposed to be The One's role, and I believe that in this the Architect is telling the truth.

Neo however is about to throw a wrench into the system. I think that Neo has somehow been able to either amass more power, or use his powers more effectively then any "The One" who has come before him. Evidence: Remember when Mirovigian says to Neo that he is not so powerful and then has 5 or 6 guys all start shooting at once. Neo stops all the bullets and Mirovigian is amazed, like he has more power. Also, at the end of the fight after Neo kills all the henchmen Mirovigian says to Neo, "you are more powerful then the others but I have survived them and I will survive this time." Then Mironvigian runs away from Neo. Evidence 2: One thing people seem to forget. Trinity did die. She is shown flatlining and is dead. The architect is right Neo can not save her. Except, I think Neo then amazes even the architect, he has somehow become so powerful that he can manipulate the Matrix and bring Trinity back to life.

In the end when Neo kills the Sentinels I think he is using his new found knowledge (he got from talking to the architect and saving Trinity.) He has realized that the real world is in fact just another part of the Matrix and so can feel the machines and control them. I think the coma is the result of this. I think he simply processes so much information at once, and comes to such a profound discovery that his mind needs to shut down to process it. Also, if he realizes the Matrix is in the Matrix maybe he is experiencing some negative feedback from his real body somewhere.

Sorry this is so long, but I think it will be helpful to all. It seems to me there is alot of evidence that the real world is a subsystem of the Matrix. All of this evidence together seems to show this.

Where did you copy and paste that from?

Arty · 08-26-2003, 07:48 PM

Anybody seen 13th floor?

marcu5 · 08-26-2003, 08:02 PM

i know the true ending of the matrix 3

it's the ending of matrix 1.

watch :P

marcu5 · 08-26-2003, 08:10 PM

zion = black/minorities
matrix = white oppressors

must fight the matrix

WiredGuy · 08-26-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Arty
Anybody seen 13th floor?

Now that was freaky... good movie though!
WG

MiLo · 08-26-2003, 08:14 PM

lamest movie ever.

and this coming from a guy that loves shitty movies.

404 · 08-27-2003, 02:15 AM

i thought maggie simpson did it.

High Quality · 08-27-2003, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by marcu5
zion = black/minorities
matrix = white oppressors

must fight the matrix

Hell yeah, I noticed that shit too. Are the writers black?

Voodoo · 08-27-2003, 03:09 AM

Actually, what is going to happen is this...

They find out that there are 7 levels to "The Matrix", all within each other, and Neo has to fight his way back to the beginning...

Where he wakes up in some snazzy house in San Francisco with some lamer roommates, and cameras all around... Just as he realizes that MTV's "The Real World" is about to start shooting... and people are calling him "Puck".

marcu5 · 08-27-2003, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by High Quality

Hell yeah, I noticed that shit too. Are the writers black?

no but the brothers were inspired by some Black Philosophers.

Will Smith was actually contacted for the role of Neo, and he later declined. Im sure he's kickin himself in the knickers now.

08-26-2003, 09:47 AM	#1
SexySarah So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,076	Neo, Zion, and everything outside The Matrix It's all actually in The Matrix. It's just an extra layer - a matrix within a matrix to just give humans even more feeling of 'being real'. But it's all in the Matrix. The machines have full control. In other words - all The Matrix films were 'a dream' You'll find this out in the final Matrix Fucking lame.

08-26-2003, 09:48 AM	#2
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	search for my matrix posts, that was my prediction exactly after watching the second movie and why is it lame? its a perfect twist IMO __________________

08-26-2003, 09:49 AM	#3
-=HOAX=- Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: CrackYaMental Posts: 4,365	Oh great...that's fucked...I thought it was all real. __________________ Insert Value Here.

08-26-2003, 09:51 AM	#4
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	Ok all, first I am going to try to clarify the basic argument I see here and then add my ow evidence. The Matrix within the Matrix idea makes alot of sense. First we know the architect is telling the truth about this being the sixth (or at least not the first Matrix). We know this because there are all the programs that have taken a life of their own within the Matrix. If it were the first Matrix there would be very few of these programs such as Oracle, Mirovigian, the twins, etc. I think that the Matrix is much bigger then we are led to believe in the first one. We now see all these residual old programs. If these programs are in fact old ones that avoided being deleted by the system as Oracle tells Neo then we would expect them to be somewhat powerful (which they are) and also to have some ulterior motives. We would think these programs are trying to regain power. Now, I think the Matrix within the Matrix idea is right. Evidence for this: 1. Architect tells Neo 1% of people hve some itch (the itch they talk about in part one when they free Neo from the Matrix) and recognize choice and so reject the Matrix. The Zion Matrix so to speak is where these people are sent and they believe it to be the real world. But in fact it is the layer meant to handle them and keep these people from destroying the main layer of the Matrix. It is in essence a subsystem. 2. The One is one of these people who somehow gains greater power. This power is recognized if not created by the machines and is used to flush the system. 3. What I think happens is this. These people reject the Matrix and so are freed into the subsystem which is the Zion resistence program. Here they believe they are out of the Matrix so never realize it is indeed more of the Matrix and not freedom. Anyway, I think more and more of these people are freed into the subsystem and then as the numbers get larger the machines start to worry that perhaps one of them will figure it out or just that the deviant population is too large. When this happens they flush the subsystem and start over. That is the ones job. Zion is flushed, all the rebels are killed except for a small group which begins the process again. The machines have to let some people live to recruit the people who are rejecting the program or else the Matrix could fail. 4. Anyway, it seems to me the Zion subsystem is like the ultimate safety valve. They get people out of the main system who could ruin it and then still have them under control. They kill them whenever the numbers get to large. Remember in the movie when Morpheus says that they have freed more people in the last 6 months then they did in the past 6 years. Obviously Zion begins to get to big and them it is time to get rid of it and start over. The machines can't simply kill all the rebels or they have nothing to do with people who feel the itch and reject the program. More evidence of the Matrix within the Matrix: 1. Agent Smith goes into the supposed real world in Bane's body. How could a computer program actually go into the real world? I think it is impossible. So, more likely Smith has realized that the supposed real world is in fact the Zion subsystem and thats how he can move into it in Bane's body. He is actually still in the Matrix. 2. Trinity's death. If Trinity really died in real life I don't think Neo could save her. She did not really die however, she only died in the Zion subsystem. Neo's love is so great he is able to bring her back to life. I also think this is where Neo realizes that the real world is only another Matrix. More on this below. 3. Zion: How could there be 6 real Zion's and no one has ever found evidence of the previous ones. Also, if the world is in such ruins how the hell can they keep finding the equipment and know how the build all the machines that run Zion. The ones Neo and the councillor watch and talk about. It seems more obvious the machines set all this up in this subsystem program and then leave it for the next group to find (the group The One chooses.) None of this is definitive but all this evidence leads down a trail that seems to show the Matrix within the Matrix. So where does Neo fit in? Neo is obviously the latest incarnation of The One. He is supposed to help the machines reset the Zion subsystem according to the architect. This would make sense. With his powers he would choose the new people to repopulate Zion but also his power would allow such a small group of humans to function and be able to find new people rejecting the system. This is supposed to be The One's role, and I believe that in this the Architect is telling the truth. Neo however is about to throw a wrench into the system. I think that Neo has somehow been able to either amass more power, or use his powers more effectively then any "The One" who has come before him. Evidence: Remember when Mirovigian says to Neo that he is not so powerful and then has 5 or 6 guys all start shooting at once. Neo stops all the bullets and Mirovigian is amazed, like he has more power. Also, at the end of the fight after Neo kills all the henchmen Mirovigian says to Neo, "you are more powerful then the others but I have survived them and I will survive this time." Then Mironvigian runs away from Neo. Evidence 2: One thing people seem to forget. Trinity did die. She is shown flatlining and is dead. The architect is right Neo can not save her. Except, I think Neo then amazes even the architect, he has somehow become so powerful that he can manipulate the Matrix and bring Trinity back to life. In the end when Neo kills the Sentinels I think he is using his new found knowledge (he got from talking to the architect and saving Trinity.) He has realized that the real world is in fact just another part of the Matrix and so can feel the machines and control them. I think the coma is the result of this. I think he simply processes so much information at once, and comes to such a profound discovery that his mind needs to shut down to process it. Also, if he realizes the Matrix is in the Matrix maybe he is experiencing some negative feedback from his real body somewhere. Sorry this is so long, but I think it will be helpful to all. It seems to me there is alot of evidence that the real world is a subsystem of the Matrix. All of this evidence together seems to show this. __________________

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Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	It would be cool if neo was just one guy hooked in the machine in some psychic institute in the real world. Everything in the matrixes would be neo's own imagination. Fucking madman. hehe.. that would rock. __________________ ..and I'm off.

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lexr Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 428	All this matrix within a matrix speculation is great fun and all.. but sorry folks, the directors already diffused these rumors. They said MANY MANY times that it will not be a Matrix within a Matrix thing.

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