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Old 05-20-2001, 12:38 AM   #1
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The adult industry is finally about to die

Has anyone else heard the news, porncity, aka the first free adult host, was caught cheating its webmasters by redirecting traffic.

I'm not sure if this is because of the recession, but it seems odd to me that someone the size of porncity would actually pull off a stunt like this.

Anyways, if free hosts die out, which is a possibility. Any kind of minor world economic crisis could easily kill off free hosts. This would kill the industry for at least 50% of the webmasters out there, the ones who don't make any money anyways. And it would make it more profitable for the rest of us

Oh well, that's what most of us hope I guess. But I can't see them all dying out. But I think that this indicates a major shift in free hosts over the next couple of years. And hopefully it will the adult industry.
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Old 05-20-2001, 12:51 AM   #2
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where have you heard that?
maybe it was just a guy who cheated pc tos and got his pages removed and then tried to give pc a bad name....anyway assholes are everywhere...i don't think pc is about to close...Mike is clever and would find ways to make money without cheating the webmasters...also he knows that a freehost who cheats gets blacklisted and a blacklisted freehost don't get the traffic needed to make money

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Old 05-20-2001, 12:58 AM   #3
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Sounds like you'd enjoy that happening. Hope you think you make so much that you could endure it. Wishing someone out of business is a poor mans way of saying 'what if' there were no one else in the World with any impact on *MY* lil world.

Maybe if you screw your eyes shut REAL tight on your next birthday and manage to get all the candles blown out it will happen. You remond me of a kid awhile back that when asked what he wanted to be as a grownup, he replied a fighter pilot... and when asked if his poor school grades might impac that wish, he said Well. ummm, no, why should they? Dream on.

Hopefully Bone will fuss enough to get YOUR particular tag line stripped before someone equates YOUR thinking to him. lol
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Old 05-20-2001, 01:16 AM   #4
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If you read my statement correctly, I finished off by saying that I doubt all free hosts will die.

I do think that this is an indication of where free hosts are going.

The big free hosts will be around for some good time. But, too many free hosts try to offer unlimited bandwidth etc, and that just can't be done. TGP traffic isn't that valuable.

And gemini, get a life
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Old 05-20-2001, 07:50 AM   #5
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There is discussion on Netpond board about
PC redirecting SE traffic.
I am not saying it's true or not.
But you can read about it overthere.
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Old 05-20-2001, 08:40 AM   #6
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This is the rumoured codes they're using to redirect se traffic:

script language="javascript">
function pct_exiter()
{
ewin =
open("http://64.152.107.18/ad/page0007.html","ewin","toolbar=no,menubar=no,l
ocation=no,height=350,width=500");
}
window.onunload=pct_exiter;
pct_ok = false;
pct_refs = new
Array('yahoo','google','inktomi','altavista','msn' ,'majorhost','goto','sexsh
are','webcrawler','excite','lycos','dogpile');
pct_tmp = document.referrer;
if(pct_tmp.length > 1)
{
for(pct_x = 0;pct_x < pct_refs.length;pct_x++)
{
if(pct_tmp.indexOf(pct_refs[pct_x])!=-1)
pct_ok = true;
}
}
if(pct_ok)
{
document.write('
<center><a
href="http://www.liveteen.com/?resellerid=porncityse">ENTER
HERE</a></center>

<
br>

');
}
newwin =
open("http://media.fastclick.net/w/click.here?gid=419&v=1.7&cache=1","newwin
");
newwin.blur();
self.focus();
</script>


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Old 05-20-2001, 08:54 AM   #7
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Bearbelly, I read that post also. I will not comment at all on the validity of it at all. Also to set records straight, it's more like 80% of all webmasters use a free Host, atleast in some capacity..

I do want to make a few comments though in regards to all of my hosting services. We have no plans at all of shutting down, in fact we just invested a considerable amount of time and money into the expansion of our entire infrastructure, and staffing to continue to grow, and provide you with a quality, and reliable free hosting network.

Your are right, the "Big Boys" will not go anyware soon. It is however getting very tough for the new people to get into Free Hosting. The cost of servers, Bandwidth and man hours is outrageous, and is keeping the newbie hosts from growing.

Please everyone, my post here was intended for informational purposes only. I'am in no way intending to enter into any type of pissing contest with anyone.

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Old 05-20-2001, 08:57 AM   #8
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Anyways, if free hosts die out, which is a possibility. Any kind of minor world economic crisis could easily kill off free hosts. This would kill the industry for at least 50% of the webmasters out there, the ones who don't make any money anyways. And it would make it more profitable for the rest of us
Oh well, that's what most of us hope I guess.
Oh yay, another brain-dead idiot done came a-flappin and a-yappin and a-cheerin over somebody else's alledged misfortune. Buddy, that's NOT "what most of us hope for" as you so assininely put it. What I'm sure "we" all hope for is that one day there will be no idiots like you flocking to these boards where actual thinking webmasters come to shoot the shit and work out new ways to work together.

Enlightenment --
A) Your little happy-face smiley next to the title says to me that you would be overjoyed if a great outfit like PC were to take a dive. That tells me right there what kind of a moron you are.

B) I'll believe your gossip when the Mayor comes on his own board and confirms that that's what occured. Until then, bottom feeders llke you can GFY's.

C) Newsflash: Freehosts are what got many of us started in this biz, and many of us still run sites on them. We would no more cheer for their misfortune than shoot ourselves in the foot.

D) Many of the people who run freehosts are our friends. Rather than dance on their graves before they're dead, I would gladly help them out if I could, or at least I'd offer to do what I can for them.

E) Why don't you start thinking in terms of this "industry" as being a community? A community that has many facets and interdependant parts that work well together. Freehosts, tgp's, pay-sites, larger sponsorships, SE's, adult webmaster resources, etc etc all depend on each other for survival. To chop off one whole area, or as you say 50% of it would be ludicrous and damaging to the industry, not beneficial. To cheer for it is just plain stupid. Are you really that stupid?

F) Your insinuation that all or most of the webmasters making no money (thus are useless in your opinion) are on freehosts. You couldn't be more wrong my friend. I would site you several examples starting with myself, but I have nothing to prove to you on that.

Now, why don't you come running back here and try to save face by bashing all the sense that I just tried to inject into your head? The question is, are you going to seal your place forever in moronville, or are you going to rethink the attitude in your first post and come to your senses?
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Old 05-20-2001, 10:01 AM   #9
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What have you been smoking...

ALL FREE HOSTS REDIRECT TRAFFIC...

They've been doing it for years and trust me ALL of them do it. That's what free hosts do -- they let you work hard to build up traffic -- then maybe a week, a month, or a year later they delete your site and redirect all your traffic to a banner farm.

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What have you been smoking...

ALL FREE HOSTS REDIRECT TRAFFIC...

They've been doing it for years and trust me ALL of them do it. That's what free hosts do -- they let you work hard to build up traffic -- then maybe a week, a month, or a year later they delete your site and redirect all your traffic to a banner farm.


Is this your ignorant opinion??...Or do you have some facts to back this slanderous statement up??


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Old 05-20-2001, 10:53 AM   #11
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Hmm this is interesting reading

All, is probably just a generalization, but there are a lot of free hosts, probably greater than 50% who redirect. Some start up, get webmasters , build traffic, then redirect the whole thing... some like sexspaces just redirected "some" of the traffic

The only thing the mayor did wrong was not incorporating the script into perl or php or something so that it was invisible to the view source.

There was some talk on netpond about it too
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Old 05-20-2001, 11:52 AM   #12
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BearBelly -

exactly where did you get your vast
knowledge from?

TheFly -

"ALL FREE HOSTS REDIRECT" really... i've been with PornCity since 1998 and i have never been redirected or shutdown.

===================================

the only thing that is going to hurt the adult industry is irresponsible webmasters who insist that they know better than the rest of the world. for example, the people who submit thier sites thru my page posting child porn, bestiality, etc. this weekend, instead of working on my other sites, i have spent hours mailing the engines, directories and lists apologizing for the assholes in the world with promises of restricing usage of my site. a few were blacklisted but not by me. i still don't know how it's going to be restricted but i do know it won't be a pay thing... that's right, it will still be FREE.

now let's cut the shit and the slander and get back to work.

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Old 05-20-2001, 11:54 AM   #13
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Well said my friend

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Old 05-20-2001, 12:07 PM   #14
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Okay, maybe I went overboard. I never had the intention of offending anyone with this post.

And lighting free host is one certainly one of the best out there

But, free host have put a signifcant damage on the adult industry itself. One example I read over at netpond was tgp's. The guys get over a 1000 submissions a day. A good ratio of them are on free hosts. So what does this mean, only 1 or 2 banners, no more than 2 outlinks etc etc. It also opens a pathway for copyrighted material. I'm sure that a good portion of porn on free hosts are violating copyright protections. And it also gives any average joe the ability to take up space. Not saying that they'll actually make money, but they can take up space.

If I remeber correctly, when I first got into this industry, I used a free host myself. But you couldn't find anyones that offered unlimited bandwidth. Heck, the first one I hosted on didn't allow you submit to tgps at all.

Anyways, call me greedy, casue I am, and I'm sure you can all relate to that. But I think that too many free hosts think they can offer unlimited bandwidth, offer space for tgp posting, and they're really just setting themselves up to cheat other webmasters.

Just my two cents.

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The Truth About the Code

i'm not offended, persay. Mike is one smart guy and he runs a standup operation.

around PC we tend to watch each others backs.

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I'am not going to respond to all the same old crap again. But I do want to comment on the illegal Copyright comment. I'am only speaking for my hosting services, (I don't know what others do). I work VERY closely with most of the major content providers and their legal representatives.

Just because some 2 bit shit head cheater thinks he is safe using illegal pics because he is hosted on a free server, this shouldnt reflect negativelly on the Free Host. Rather it should emphasize to everyone the fact that cheaters are hurting us all. We have staff that does nothing else but look for these scum bags everyday. Hiding behind a free host doesnt work. We can trace back just about all of them..By either their ip, or their email, or most definitely, by working with the sponsors they use.

All of this is a royal pain in the ass, but it is all part of the business.

OK I could go on for hours about cheaters and their negative effect on the biz, but it's an endless battle. The point I want to make is that It's not the free host thats the problem, it's the scum bag cheaters.....

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Your are right, the "Big Boys" will not go anyware soon. It is however getting very tough for the new people to get into Free Hosting. The cost of servers, Bandwidth and man hours is outrageous, and is keeping the newbie hosts from growing.

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And the reply from the Mayor himself...
http://bbs.porncity.net/Forum1/HTML/019783.html


And THAT, good people, is why I don't swallow every story from every gossipy webmaster (especially ones that sound like they are gloating over the supposed misfortune of a great outfit like PC) without hearing what the other guy has to say first.
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their traffic has dropped in half...maybe more

i guess they should of got with the program and used ftp, huh

lensman should know since he uses pcdataonline.
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I could never understand why some freehost don't offer ftp when it's clearly what most webmasters desire. They prefer to claim that their java upload is twice as quick. They just don't understand.

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their traffic has dropped in half...maybe more

i guess they should of got with the program and used ftp, huh

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I agree with you both. FTP is much better in more cases then having JAVA webbased ftp uploading.

dunno.. ah well. when another host decides to have FTP ill check them out.. meanwhile ill use my current means =o)

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I don't like to use freehosts with FTP. Am I crazy, you ask - maybe.

I started out when freehosting was just starting out, everytime a new freehost would show up, everyone on the planet would start using it - in a couple weeks you'd be sitting for 10 minutes waiting for the header to load.

So I applied my belief that the average Joe is a lazy motherfucker and started only using FH's without FTP - because lazy people never would - so they wouldn't start choking like Sexspaces and Pornhotel did.

Now it's not so much a problem since there are more freehosts than there are TGP's - but it kept me running while I was figuring things out.
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What have you been smoking...

ALL FREE HOSTS REDIRECT TRAFFIC...

They've been doing it for years and trust me ALL of them do it. That's what free hosts do -- they let you work hard to build up traffic -- then maybe a week, a month, or a year later they delete your site and redirect all your traffic to a banner farm.

You should do a little more research. I'm sure there are host out there that do not play by the rules, as well as there are users that do not as well. You should not condem all for a fews mistakes. If you want a free hosting site that will treat you the way you treat it then give our a try you will never be cheated at http://freepages.infoextra.com
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No specs info/TOS before you actually have to join the freehost?!
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Scarabst --

I'm not all that crazy about your "page 1 page 2 page 3" blind links in the headers and footers,

but Gem is right, you really do need to add in some information about your service.
Do you offer ftp?
Any tech support?
How to contact you?
Have you thought about a FAQ page? Newbies have questions.
Terms of service? (what DON'T you accept on your servers?
Why not place a link to one sample gallery that shows your headers/footers to potential signups?

And lastly, why aren't you offering me free bannerless hosting for life just because I'm a good guy?

Damn freehosts!
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They've been doing it for years and trust me ALL of them do it. That's what free hosts do -- they let you work hard to build up traffic -- then maybe a week, a month, or a year later they delete your site and redirect all your traffic to a banner farm.

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Has anyone else heard the news, porncity, aka the first free adult host, was caught cheating its webmasters by redirecting traffic.

I'm not sure if this is because of the recession, but it seems odd to me that someone the size of porncity would actually pull off a stunt like this.

Anyways, if free hosts die out, which is a possibility. Any kind of minor world economic crisis could easily kill off free hosts. This would kill the industry for at least 50% of the webmasters out there, the ones who don't make any money anyways. And it would make it more profitable for the rest of us

Oh well, that's what most of us hope I guess. But I can't see them all dying out. But I think that this indicates a major shift in free hosts over the next couple of years. And hopefully it will the adult industry.

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Old 11-01-2003, 04:36 PM   #35
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i don't know why someone who knows how to make money would use a free host, yeah its where a lot of us started but free hosts are very different these days. when i had free hosting all i needed to do was put the guys banner at the bottom of each page, you won't find anything like that now.
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Old 11-01-2003, 04:54 PM   #36
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Also to set records straight, it's more like 80% of all webmasters use a free Host, atleast in some capacity..

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