The US army and porn.

[jimthefiend]

DID YOU KNOW, its apparently against the Code of Conduct for even the SPOUSE of an active duty soldier to participate in the production of any sort of pornography.

This applies to both on and OFF post residences.

I bring this up because I'm losing one of my camgirls in march when her husband swears in to the Army.

I served a few years in the Army myself, so I knew this but never figured itd actually cost me money.

Anyone had any experience with this?

[NBDesign]

Ummmmm, didn't Jessica Lynch do some porn? Isn't that a double standard?

Why should what your spouse does have any reflection on wht you do? I think that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of... Shit... My GF is a teacher... Why should she be accountable for what I do?

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ummmmm, didn't Jessica Lynch do some porn? Isn't that a double standard?

the ucmj prohibits any government personel form doing porn


period

its a court martial offense



what im talking about is the code of conduct which is different than the ucmj

and it does in fact prohibit wives of soldiers form doing porn

[theking]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ummmmm, didn't Jessica Lynch do some porn? Isn't that a double standard?

Why should what your spouse does have any reflection on wht you do? I think that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of... Shit... My GF is a teacher... Why should she be accountable for what I do?

No she did not.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by theking


No she did not.

Then what are these pictures that are suppose to be floating around?

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend



the ucmj prohibits any government personel form doing porn


period

its a court martial offense



what im talking about is the code of conduct which is different than the ucmj

and it does in fact prohibit wives of soldiers form doing porn

The Code of Conduct



I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life.
I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command
I will never surrender my men while they still have the means to resist.

If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available.
I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape.
I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners.
I will give no information or take part in any action
which might be harmful to my comrades.
If I am senior, I will take command. If not I will obey the lawful orders
of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war,
I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth.
I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability.
I will make no written statements disloyal to my country
and its allies or harmful to their cause.

I will never forget that I am an American fighting man,
responsible for my actions, and dedicated
to the principles which made my country free.
I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Then what are these pictures that are suppose to be floating around?

i have no clue, i dont care, shes fugly anyway

if she did them while active she could have been discharged for it

period

[theking]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Then what are these pictures that are suppose to be floating around?

Some kind of party...where she flashed her tits...or went topless.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by theking


Some kind of party...where she flashed her tits...or went topless.

I.C.

Question... and I mean no offense by this... but if you are an x vet... and live by the code of honor you swore to... then why are you hanging out on an adult web board? Just curious...

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by theking


The Code of Conduct



I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life.
I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command
I will never surrender my men while they still have the means to resist.

If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available.
I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape.
I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners.
I will give no information or take part in any action
which might be harmful to my comrades.
If I am senior, I will take command. If not I will obey the lawful orders
of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war,
I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth.
I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability.
I will make no written statements disloyal to my country
and its allies or harmful to their cause.

I will never forget that I am an American fighting man,
responsible for my actions, and dedicated
to the principles which made my country free.
I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

goody you can copy and paste, thats not what im refering to

[Tanker]

Famous Porn star Mika Tan is married to a Marine SGt.

all the people in his unit have her tapes

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend





goody you can copy and paste, thats not what im refering to

You referred to the Code of Conduct...please copy and paste the "Code of Conduct" you are reffering to please?

[sperbonzo]

There is a security reason as to why service people AND their spouses cannot do porn. It allows a foreign power to blackmail the family of the serviceperson into giving up classified info. This is a very real problem that has actually ocurred before. There was a couple stationed in Germany, the wife was doing porn, and an East German agent blackmailed her husband through threatening to tell her family. (Happened in the mid 80s)

[jimthefiend]

to the trolls:


go read "The Military Honor and Decency Act of 1996"

real close then get out of my face

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by sperbonzo
There is a security reason as to why service people AND their spouses cannot do porn. It allows a foreign power to blackmail the family of the serviceperson into giving up classified info. This is a very real problem that has actually ocurred before. There was a couple stationed in Germany, the wife was doing porn, and an East German agent blackmailed her husband through threatening to tell her family. (Happened in the mid 80s)

finally someone wants to discuss something and not simply be a bitch


i understand the security reasons for it, im a little curious how well the regs would stand up to challenge in court by a civilian spouse of military personel

seems to me it would be a tough one to enforce

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by jimthefiend




what im talking about is the code of conduct which is different than the ucmj

and yes i misspoke trolls
i was referring to the DOD ethics regs

[who]

Check your logs for hits from 'US Military'. You'll find they generate more traffic than Portugal.

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by .?.
Check your logs for hits from 'US Military'. You'll find they generate more traffic than Portugal.

i know

its also a court martial offense for a soldier to access porn from a govt pc. part of that 96 act as well.

most posts are using filters now fyi

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend
to the trolls:


go read "The Military Honor and Decency Act of 1996"

real close then get out of my face

Maybe you can point out to me where the Act forbids the spouse of a soldier to do porn. As I read the act it forbids the sale of porn on military bases.

On September 13, 2002, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the ban on the sale and rental of pornography on American military bases. While military personnel are still allowed to possess pornography, they will not be able to purchase or rent it on base.

In addition maybe you can point out to me which USMJ article that specifically applies to an active duty member of the service doing porn.

SUBCHAPTER X. PUNITIVE ARTICLES
Sec. Art.
877. 77. Principals
878. 78. Accessory after the fact
879. 79. Conviction of lesser included offense.
880. 80. Attempts
881. 81. Conspiracy.
882. 82. Solicitation.
883. 83. Fraudulent enlistment, appointment, or separation.
884. 84. Unlawful enlistment, appointment, or separation.
885. 85. Desertion.
886. 86. Absence without leave.
887. 87. Missing movement.
888. 88. Contempt toward officials.
889. 89. Disrespect toward superior commissioned officer
890. 90. Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior commissioned officer.
891. 91. Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer.
892. 92. Failure to obey order or regulation.
893. 93. Cruelty and maltreatment.
894. 94. Mutiny or sedition.
895. 95. Resistance, breach of arrest, and escape.
896. 96. Releasing prisoner without proper authority.
897. 97. Unlawful detention.
898. 98. Noncompliance with procedural rules.
899. 99. Misbehavior before the enemy.
900. 100. Subordinate compelling surrender.
901. 101. Improper use of countersign.
902. 102. Forcing a safeguard.
903. 103. Capture or abandoned property.
904. 104. Aiding the enemy.
905. 105. Misconduct as prisoner.
906. 106. Spies.
907. 107. False official statements.
908. 108. Military property of United States--Loss, damage, destruction, or wrongful disposition.
909. 109. Property other than military property of the United States-- Waste, spoilage, or destruction.
910. 110. Improper hazarding of vessel.
911. 111. Drunken or reckless driving.
912. 112. Drunk on duty.
912a. 112a. Wrongful use, possession, etc., of controlled substances.
913. 113. Misbehavior of sentinel.
914. 114. Dueling.
915. 115. Malingering.
916. 116. Riot or breach of peace.
917. 117. Provoking speeches or gestures.
918. 118. Murder.
919. 119. Manslaughter.
920. 120. Rape and carnal knowledge.
921. 121. Larceny and wrongful appropriation.
922. 122. Robbery.
923. 123. Forgery.
923a. 123a. Making, drawing, or uttering check, draft, or order without sufficient funds.
924. 124. Maiming.
925. 125. Sodomy.
926. 126. Arson.
927. 127. Extortion.
928. 128. Assault.
929. 129. Burglary.
930. 130. Housebreaking.
931. 131. Perjury.
932. 132. Frauds against the United States.
933. 133. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.
934. 134. General Article.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/...IVE%20ARTICLES

[sperbonzo]

By the way Jim, you never did get back to me on what tech help you needed to set up with the Duocash system

[jimthefiend]

king youre not very bright:



ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE


Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.





do you not understand what that means?

[Mr. Jim]

Originally posted by jimthefiend
king youre not very bright:



ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE


Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.







do you not understand what that means?

it's the catch all article

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by jimholio


it's the catch all article

indeed


and you should also be aware if you have the slightest fucking clue what youre talking about king, that in the army you ARE responsible for the conduct of your spouse

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend
king youre not very bright:



ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE


Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.





do you not understand what that means?

I spent 12 years in the military and I am familiar with the UCMJ and I am familiar with Article 134...but in my 12 years of service I cannot recall anyone receiving a Court Martial under this article...but that is not to say that it didn't happen...and it is not to say that it may...or may not...be used for an active duty person that was doing porn...off base...on his off duty time. If you know of a specific case of a person receiving a Court Martial under Article 134 for doing porn...off base...during his off duty hours...please educate me.

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend



indeed


and you should also be aware if you have the slightest fucking clue what youre talking about king, that in the army you ARE responsible for the conduct of your spouse

This is applicable only when living in on base housing...or if your wife comes on base and creates some kind of a scene.

[Gemini]

Thats twice NB has shown his lack of knowledge just this morning. Are you *really* a knowledgable designer? Because you certainly don't seem to have a clue.

[jimthefiend]

the porn he got convicted for was produced off post


http://www.usafa.af.mil/pa/mediarele...martialset.htm

http://www.usafa.af.mil/pa/mediarele...essentence.htm

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by theking


This is applicable only when living in on base housing...or if your wife comes on base and creates some kind of a scene.

and thats a crock of shit too man

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by theking


I spent 12 years in the military and I am familiar with the UCMJ and I am familiar with Article 134...but in my 12 years of service I cannot recall anyone receiving a Court Martial under this article...but that is not to say that it didn't happen...and it is not to say that it may...or may not...be used for an active duty person that was doing porn...off base...on his off duty time. If you know of a specific case of a person receiving a Court Martial under Article 134 for doing porn...off base...during his off duty hours...please educate me.

what he said...I did a little over 12 myself and never heard of someone getting banged for doing porn (pun intended)...


HOWEVER, I do know 134 can cover all sorts of shit and is ultimately up to be used however a commander and JAG see fit...

although it's possible, it's not likely that someone will get prosecuted for doing porn off the job, unless they're doing some wild wild stuff or talk about it at work too much...


I know a few people that started doing porn while in the military in their off-duty time...

[theking]

Originally posted by NBDesign
I.C.

Question... and I mean no offense by this... but if you are an x vet... and live by the code of honor you swore to... then why are you hanging out on an adult web board? Just curious...

The military oath...

''I, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.''

BTW I am not an "x vet"...I am a vet.

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
I.C.

Question... and I mean no offense by this... but if you are an x vet... and live by the code of honor you swore to... then why are you hanging out on an adult web board? Just curious...

im with king on THIS one anyway


wtf does being a vet have to do with porn?

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by theking


The military oath...

''I, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.''

BTW I am not an "x vet"...I am a vet.

Ok, but if the military is so against porn.. and you are still a vet... again I ask, why do you hang out on an adult board? I mean there have been other military personel that have been in trouble for having porn on thier computers... what makes you so special? Or are you a hypocrit? (spelling)

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by jimthefiend
the porn he got convicted for was produced off post


http://www.usafa.af.mil/pa/mediarele...martialset.htm

http://www.usafa.af.mil/pa/mediarele...essentence.htm

read that jimmy

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, but if the military is so against porn.. and you are still a vet... again I ask, why do you hang out on an adult board?

you have no clue do you?

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend




and thats a crock of shit too man

It is not. Some service personell do not live on base...or off base...in a local town...with their wives...many leave their wives in their home town...and are in no way responsible for their spouses actions. A soldier only becomes responsible for his wife's on base actions...and even then can only be verbally counselled.

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, but if the military is so against porn.. and you are still a vet... again I ask, why do you hang out on an adult board? I mean there have been other military personel that have been in trouble for having porn on thier computers... what makes you so special? Or are you a hypocrit? (spelling)

stop editing your posts after i qoute you



ok i agree with the prohibition on porn for the security, morale and "good order" reasons.

but an "x vet" as you put it isnt responsible to maintain that security, morale and order.


youre lost on this one i think

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by jimthefiend



you have no clue do you?

Guess not... Here is a thread about how the spouses of military personel are not allow to do porn... and here is a military personel posting on an adult board... and as far as I know runs an adult site. what am I missing?

[theking]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok, but if the military is so against porn.. and you are still a vet... again I ask, why do you hang out on an adult board? I mean there have been other military personel that have been in trouble for having porn on thier computers... what makes you so special? Or are you a hypocrit? (spelling)

vet·er·an

A person who has served in the armed forces.

Because I can..because I choose to...because I am a civilian and have been since 1992...when I was medically discharged.

[TheJimmy]

Originally posted by jimthefiend



read that jimmy

oh shit, that's right, I do remember hearing about that now...

however, I think in general most military members are pretty safe with it as long as they don't let the world know what's going on.

I think some of those guys were pressed hard as the USAF Academy has been through all sorts of investigations and crap this past year or so, due to a rash of rapes and whatnot...

[JohnW]

Hmmmm...very interesting topic. We shot a scene with a U.S. serviceman and his wife a while back...wonder if they know the "rules" about making porn while being active in the U.S. military.

[jimthefiend]

http://www.militarycorruption.com/court.htm


its not porn related but its an example of how you ARE responsible for your spouse actions, or should be anyway

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Guess not... Here is a thread about how the spouses of military personel are not allow to do porn... and here is a military personel posting on an adult board... and as far as I know runs an adult site. what am I missing?

dude im not in the army anymore

[wtfent]

OWNED

[NBDesign]

I really don't see the big fuss over porn... it's sex, we ALL do it.. from the biggest wholy roller to the sleeziest person on the face of the earth. It is an enjoyable experience.. is that the hhole hang up? I mean flash a boob on tv bad... show a dead bleeding body.. good? What is this world comming to? geeeesh

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by jimthefiend





dude im not in the army anymore

didn't even know you were... that was for theking...

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
I really don't see the big fuss over porn... it's sex, we ALL do it.. from the biggest wholy roller to the sleeziest person on the face of the earth. It is an enjoyable experience.. is that the hhole hang up? I mean flash a boob on tv bad... show a dead bleeding body.. good? What is this world comming to? geeeesh

the army doesnt like it
*shrug*

its now illegal to sell most types of it on post, you CANNOT legally access ANY porn via the net on base AT ALL, even if its in your assigned housing, and to produce it even OFF post is a court martial offense now apparently

[theking]

Originally posted by jimthefiend
http://www.militarycorruption.com/court.htm


its not porn related but its an example of how you ARE responsible for your spouse actions, or should be anyway

No it is not.

He was the colonel whose drug-abusing wife Laurie, smuggled $700,000 worth of cocaine into the United States. Of course Hiett knew nothing about it. At least that's what he told agents from the Criminal Investigation Division just before the CID "cleared" him of any wrong-doing.

If it wasn't for the U.S. Customs Service, Hiett might be plotting his accession to general about now. They insisted on continuing an investigation that led to the conviction of Laurie Hiett. The 37 year-old "ditzy druggie," who giggled through much of a bizarre television interview on 60 Minutes, got five years at the federal pen in Fort Worth, Texas.

And customs agents were able to gather enough evidence, that COL Hiett had to confess he concealed his wife's drug activities and helped launder her drug money.

He admits it in his own words: "I took steps to dissipate the cash by paying as many bills as possible in cash and depositing the rest in several bank accounts."

But Hiett had to feel "lucky" that he dodged what could have been a three-year jail term and a $250,000 fine.

Instead, the colonel received a "slap on the wrist." Judge Korman sentenced him to only five months imprisonment and five months of "home detention."

He was not responsible for the actions of his spouse but for his own criminal actions.

[NBDesign]

Originally posted by jimthefiend


the army doesnt like it
*shrug*

its now illegal to sell most types of it on post, you CANNOT legally access ANY porn via the net on base AT ALL, even if its in your assigned housing, and to produce it even OFF post is a court martial offense now apparently

Yea, but spouses? I mean common.. 6they are entitled to live their life they way they see fit... no matter that their partner is in the military or not.

The freedom of a person should NOT be decided by their partners boss... in this case the military.. after all, they are nto the ones that joined up...

[jimthefiend]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Yea, but spouses? I mean common.. 6they are entitled to live their life they way they see fit... no matter what their partner is in the military or not.

The freedom of a person should NOT be decided by their partners boss... in this case the military.. after all, they are nto the ones that joined up...

you dont get it man


the army has VERY stringent views on maintaining its "image" and morale. they take it pretty seriously.

and its even worse for officers

[theking]

Originally posted by NBDesign
Yea, but spouses? I mean common.. 6they are entitled to live their life they way they see fit... no matter that their partner is in the military or not.

The freedom of a person should NOT be decided by their partners boss... in this case the military.. after all, they are nto the ones that joined up...

The spouses can do as they choose if they do not live in on base housing...or use on base facilities. When they are on base they are required to maintain proper decorum and if they do not...their military spouse will be counselled and it will go in his/her jacket. If the problem persists...it can mean reassignment for him/her and it can even deny him/her re-enlistment.