Verotel will be taking over as registrar for their merchants domains?! - GoFuckYourself.com

rowan · 10-12-2004, 09:27 AM

The last important change is that Verotel has reached agreement to become a registrar for domain names on the Internet. Currently your domain name might be registered with other ICANN accredited registrars, such as Network Solutions, Register.com, or GoDaddy. You pay annual fees for this with these registrars.

If you have a Verotel Ticketsclub account, starting November 15, 2004, Verotel will take over the registrar responsibility through one of our subsidiaries, as an ICANN accredited registrar, for your domain names for which you accept credit card transactions.

With this change, the registrant of the domain name will be Ticketsclub and not the Ticketsclub merchant. More information will be made available later this month. This change has a couple of advantages for the Ticketsclub merchant:

1. The WHOIS information shows Ticketsclub as the owner of the website. Therefore, Ticketsclub will handle all abuse complaints in accordance with Verotel's content and anti-spam policies.
2. Ticketsclub takes the domain name 'in escrow' from the Ticketsclub merchant. That means that the Ticketsclub merchant remains the ultimate beneficiary of the domain name. With your Verotel ID and Secret you can at any time choose to transfer the domain name to another registrar from within the Verotel Control Center.
3. The Ticketsclub merchant does not have to pay any annual domain name registration fees. These fees are paid by Verotel.

http://www.verotel.com/new_ipsp.html

First question that springs to mind - what happens to sites that use other processors as well as Verotel? This registrar thing seems to be a mandate rather than an option.

chupacabra · 10-12-2004, 09:30 AM

glad there isn't any mention of Verotel Pro in that particular blurb..

[Brian] · 10-12-2004, 09:33 AM

makes it easier for their merchants to process CP I guess

whatif_3 · 10-12-2004, 09:34 AM

its obvious what they are doing

Lee · 10-12-2004, 10:09 AM

Fuck that.

Tipsy · 10-12-2004, 10:14 AM

So very glad I stopped using them a long time ago. Good grief.

keyboard warrior · 10-12-2004, 10:30 AM

another shitty prccessor!

whatif_3 · 10-12-2004, 10:36 AM

what i suspect is that vertotel is lumping their smaller clients that cannot afford to pay the fees and go through the registration that the pro clients have to, into ticketsclub, which seems to be like an avs, you buy a membership through ticketsclub and you get access to the site that you joined througgh

just like a maxcahs, for instance, that gives you acces to all of their sites just by joining through one of them,one of the problems with this model is that ticketsclub, the merchant, has to retain control over the sites, ie domian name and/or hosting

i heard that this was the same thing that globill was doing before visa was able to act on it, they bypassed the rules by claiming that they were the merchant for the sites and by joining through globill, you get access to one of their clients sites, like a gateway

it was simple to show that globill did not have control over the domains and the sites that they processed for, different registrants and hosted at different places

monro · 10-12-2004, 11:16 AM

Had them as a backup, removed now!
A backup, trying to grab my domains!!

Hentaikid · 10-12-2004, 11:48 AM

Eh, after the intial surprise, I figured "I can put my member area on a .info and give it to 'em.

If they don't agree to that, well goodbye.

LiveDose · 10-12-2004, 11:48 AM

that's fuckin' idiotic.

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-12-2004, 12:30 PM

I seen this as an option you can opt for..not as mandatory.

pornguy · 10-12-2004, 12:44 PM

Looks like there is going to be a few wars over donain name going on.

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-12-2004, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by monro
Had them as a backup, removed now!
A backup, trying to grab my domains!!

I also made that mistake -
The people running this show neither train their staff nor run a straight show - Hell - Even Sypro and Globill were streets ahead of these people - How come they are still in biz?

Shoplifter · 10-12-2004, 12:48 PM

I'm a Verotel Pro merchant and I had thought our registration was done months ago. Verotel, does the 90 day approval wait and $1500 fee apply to new applicants only?

gxer · 10-12-2004, 01:38 PM

If this option is a MUST - they will loose many ticketsclub webmasters, if not - who cares, as soon as they are not a primary for you.

borys · 10-12-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter
I'm a Verotel Pro merchant and I had thought our registration was done months ago. Verotel, does the 90 day approval wait and $1500 fee apply to new applicants only?

If I get it right, nothing changes for approved Pro merchants.

Giorgio_Xo · 10-12-2004, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rowan
The last important change is that Verotel has reached agreement to become a registrar for domain names on the Internet. Currently your domain name might be registered with other ICANN accredited registrars, such as Network Solutions, Register.com, or GoDaddy. You pay annual fees for this with these registrars.

If you have a Verotel Ticketsclub account, starting November 15, 2004, Verotel will take over the registrar responsibility through one of our subsidiaries, as an ICANN accredited registrar, for your domain names for which you accept credit card transactions.

With this change, the registrant of the domain name will be Ticketsclub and not the Ticketsclub merchant. More information will be made available later this month. This change has a couple of advantages for the Ticketsclub merchant:

1. The WHOIS information shows Ticketsclub as the owner of the website. Therefore, Ticketsclub will handle all abuse complaints in accordance with Verotel's content and anti-spam policies.
2. Ticketsclub takes the domain name 'in escrow' from the Ticketsclub merchant. That means that the Ticketsclub merchant remains the ultimate beneficiary of the domain name. With your Verotel ID and Secret you can at any time choose to transfer the domain name to another registrar from within the Verotel Control Center.
3. The Ticketsclub merchant does not have to pay any annual domain name registration fees. These fees are paid by Verotel.

http://www.verotel.com/new_ipsp.html

First question that springs to mind - what happens to sites that use other processors as well as Verotel? This registrar thing seems to be a mandate rather than an option.

Bahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahaha hardy har har!!

rowan · 10-13-2004, 01:18 AM

bump

Good idea Hentaikid - I might just register a dedicated domain for the members area...

rowan · 10-13-2004, 01:21 AM

BTW I got back a reply from Verotel and the "domain escrow" system is definitely mandatory.

xclusive · 10-13-2004, 01:23 AM

Fuck verotel if you do business with them you deserve to be taken...

Theo · 10-13-2004, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xclusive
Fuck verotel if you do business with them you deserve to be taken...

why?

rowan · 10-13-2004, 01:31 AM

Got back another reply from Verotel - you can use a different domain for your members area. Your join page also needs to be on that domain. Crossing domains will break a simple cookie tracking system I have set up, but I can live with that.

andrej_NDC · 10-13-2004, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rowan
Crossing domains will break a simple cookie tracking system I have set up, but I can live with that.

and affiliates?

I know you didnt say this but the guy from verotel.

rowan · 10-13-2004, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
and affiliates?
I know you didnt say this but the guy from verotel.

I don't see why there would be a problem, Verotel uses their own cookie (on *.verotel.com) to track affiliate sales. The site ID is coded as a hidden variable on the signup form, so you could probably host your form anywhere you like.

monro · 10-13-2004, 02:33 AM

It's so completely insane. If I have Ibill as well and they want the domain too?

davidoff2000 · 10-13-2004, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter
I'm a Verotel Pro merchant and I had thought our registration was done months ago. Verotel, does the 90 day approval wait and $1500 fee apply to new applicants only?

I just talked to the merchant support. The news regarding the 90 days approval process does only affect NEW Pro merchant applications. As I suppose you are ( and in fact me being too) an approved Pro merchant already since march / april 2004 (well after all we send in all those papers...) we can calm down...

Of course, they may have a lot of new Pro merchant applications on their desks - after the new ibill desaster.

All I can say is: Trying to run my business straight and clean Verotel has been paying me each and every week like clockwork since 2 years now. You can say I'm glad that I switched over to them in October 2002 when ibill had their 1st crisis... As an EU merchant Verotel feels quite safe since a longtime, whatever you may have been reading here from time to time!!!

Shoplifter · 10-13-2004, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidoff2000
I just talked to the merchant support. The news regarding the 90 days approval process does only affect NEW Pro merchant applications. As I suppose you are ( and in fact me being too) an approved Pro merchant already since march / april 2004 (well after all we send in all those papers...) we can calm down...

Of course, they may have a lot of new Pro merchant applications on their desks - after the new ibill desaster.

All I can say is: Trying to run my business straight and clean Verotel has been paying me each and every week like clockwork since 2 years now. You can say I'm glad that I switched over to them in October 2002 when ibill had their 1st crisis... As an EU merchant Verotel feels quite safe since a longtime, whatever you may have been reading here from time to time!!!

Well that's good news. Sometimes their Engrish is hard to understand.

I've been with them since Oct 2002 as well and never any problems either.

allandk · 10-13-2004, 03:35 AM

i'm speechless..

Tipsy · 10-13-2004, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
I seen this as an option you can opt for..not as mandatory.

Reading the e-mail they sent me I'd say it's exactly the opposite. Amazes me though some see no problem with doing this. But then this remains a fun game for many and not a true business so I suppose they don't feel the need to treat it as one.

doober · 10-13-2004, 01:06 PM

lets all hand over our domains to verotel....yippieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

the fact that I have never been able to get prompt email responsed or responses at all should warrant a a huge

to everyone.

Seriously tho, how stupid do they think people are?

chupacabra · 10-13-2004, 01:18 PM

at least their wires always hit my bank like clockwork, which couldn't be said for some processors these days. i bet they are slammed w/ new business right now w/ the iBill fallout going on, good for them..

10-12-2004, 09:27 AM	#1
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Verotel will be taking over as registrar for their merchants domains?! The last important change is that Verotel has reached agreement to become a registrar for domain names on the Internet. Currently your domain name might be registered with other ICANN accredited registrars, such as Network Solutions, Register.com, or GoDaddy. You pay annual fees for this with these registrars. If you have a Verotel Ticketsclub account, starting November 15, 2004, Verotel will take over the registrar responsibility through one of our subsidiaries, as an ICANN accredited registrar, for your domain names for which you accept credit card transactions. With this change, the registrant of the domain name will be Ticketsclub and not the Ticketsclub merchant. More information will be made available later this month. This change has a couple of advantages for the Ticketsclub merchant: 1. The WHOIS information shows Ticketsclub as the owner of the website. Therefore, Ticketsclub will handle all abuse complaints in accordance with Verotel's content and anti-spam policies. 2. Ticketsclub takes the domain name 'in escrow' from the Ticketsclub merchant. That means that the Ticketsclub merchant remains the ultimate beneficiary of the domain name. With your Verotel ID and Secret you can at any time choose to transfer the domain name to another registrar from within the Verotel Control Center. 3. The Ticketsclub merchant does not have to pay any annual domain name registration fees. These fees are paid by Verotel. http://www.verotel.com/new_ipsp.html First question that springs to mind - what happens to sites that use other processors as well as Verotel? This registrar thing seems to be a mandate rather than an option.

10-12-2004, 09:33 AM	#3
[Brian] Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 1,523	makes it easier for their merchants to process CP I guess __________________ HerbalRevenue - Exciting new enhancement program ICQ: 391113064

10-12-2004, 09:34 AM	#4
whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	its obvious what they are doing Last edited by whatif_3; 10-12-2004 at 09:39 AM..

10-12-2004, 10:14 AM	#6
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	So very glad I stopped using them a long time ago. Good grief. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

10-12-2004, 10:30 AM	#7
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	another shitty prccessor! __________________ - nothing here -

10-12-2004, 09:30 AM	#2
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	glad there isn't any mention of Verotel Pro in that particular blurb..

10-12-2004, 10:09 AM	#5
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	Fuck that.

10-12-2004, 10:36 AM	#8
whatif_3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 459	what i suspect is that vertotel is lumping their smaller clients that cannot afford to pay the fees and go through the registration that the pro clients have to, into ticketsclub, which seems to be like an avs, you buy a membership through ticketsclub and you get access to the site that you joined througgh just like a maxcahs, for instance, that gives you acces to all of their sites just by joining through one of them,one of the problems with this model is that ticketsclub, the merchant, has to retain control over the sites, ie domian name and/or hosting i heard that this was the same thing that globill was doing before visa was able to act on it, they bypassed the rules by claiming that they were the merchant for the sites and by joining through globill, you get access to one of their clients sites, like a gateway it was simple to show that globill did not have control over the domains and the sites that they processed for, different registrants and hosted at different places

10-12-2004, 11:16 AM	#9
monro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 787	Had them as a backup, removed now! A backup, trying to grab my domains!!

10-12-2004, 11:48 AM	#10
Hentaikid Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,249	Eh, after the intial surprise, I figured "I can put my member area on a .info and give it to 'em. If they don't agree to that, well goodbye.

10-12-2004, 11:48 AM	#11
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	that's fuckin' idiotic.

10-12-2004, 12:30 PM	#12
C_U_Next_Tuesday WW4L Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 10,581	I seen this as an option you can opt for..not as mandatory.

10-12-2004, 12:44 PM	#13
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Looks like there is going to be a few wars over donain name going on. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

10-12-2004, 12:48 PM	#15
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,706	I'm a Verotel Pro merchant and I had thought our registration was done months ago. Verotel, does the 90 day approval wait and $1500 fee apply to new applicants only?

10-12-2004, 01:38 PM	#16
gxer Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Location Posts: 846	If this option is a MUST - they will loose many ticketsclub webmasters, if not - who cares, as soon as they are not a primary for you.

10-13-2004, 01:18 AM	#19
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	bump Good idea Hentaikid - I might just register a dedicated domain for the members area...

10-13-2004, 01:21 AM	#20
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	BTW I got back a reply from Verotel and the "domain escrow" system is definitely mandatory.

10-13-2004, 01:23 AM	#21
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	Fuck verotel if you do business with them you deserve to be taken... __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

10-13-2004, 01:31 AM	#23
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Got back another reply from Verotel - you can use a different domain for your members area. Your join page also needs to be on that domain. Crossing domains will break a simple cookie tracking system I have set up, but I can live with that.

10-13-2004, 02:33 AM	#26
monro So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 787	It's so completely insane. If I have Ibill as well and they want the domain too?

10-13-2004, 03:35 AM	#29
allandk Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 259	i'm speechless..

10-13-2004, 01:06 PM	#31
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	lets all hand over our domains to verotel....yippieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the fact that I have never been able to get prompt email responsed or responses at all should warrant a a huge to everyone. Seriously tho, how stupid do they think people are?

10-13-2004, 01:18 PM	#32
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	at least their wires always hit my bank like clockwork, which couldn't be said for some processors these days. i bet they are slammed w/ new business right now w/ the iBill fallout going on, good for them..