the truth about muslims

[12clicks]

anyone see 60 minutes II last night?

Anyone see the kids from the exclusive prep school in pakistan calling bin laden a hero?
Did you see the Egyptians they interviewed in the street saying bin laden is right?

Those, my dear muslim apologists, are the REAL muslims.

Anyone here of ANY muslims doing anything for the victims in DC or NY?

[Sjayne]

And the Hitler Youth were REAL Christians?

[Sjayne]

And yes...in our news they did a story JUST about the muslims that were helping in NYC. They are amongst the emergency services, they are donating money, they are doctors treating the lucky ones, their companies are giving food and the such.

Oh..and then there are those Muslims that died in the towers.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
And the Hitler Youth were REAL Christians?

uh dopey, the rest of the christian world fought against them. When the rest of the muslim world fights against terrorism, you might just have a point.
until then, what's your point?

[richard123]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
And yes...in our news they did a story JUST about the muslims that were helping in NYC. They are amongst the emergency services, they are donating money, they are doctors treating the lucky ones, their companies are giving food and the such.

Oh..and then there are those Muslims that died in the towers.

There was a story about that here too. (Probably the same one). I think it was an exclusive for non-US countries however. Not very popular, I'm afraid

[drumsicle]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
uh dopey, the rest of the christian world fought against them. When the rest of the muslim world fights against terrorism, you might just have a point.
until then, what's your point?

EXACTLY!!!

[XXXforU]

I', with 12 on this one...

It's time to show some force, as ugly as that may sound!

[Sjayne]

And the majority of the Muslim world is lining up behind us. So what is your point?

[Gary]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
And the majority of the Muslim world is lining up behind us. So what is your point?

Ya, ok...

[richard123]

I am just taking a WILD stab in the dark here re: Sjaynes post about Hitler thing.

Maybe he meant that Hitler was not representing Christians as a whole.

The rest of the Christians didn't do anything until they were themselves attacked. Like the USA, for example, did not declare war until she was attacked.

Now, the president of the largest muslim country (by population) in the world (which is also the largest democracy in the world) visited George today and pledged her support in the fight against terrorism.

... but then again, maybe that wasn't Sjayne's point. I really can't say. Anyone else wanna have a go?

[Sjayne]

Which country, besides Iraq, is going to be be fighting against us?

Those people on the border of Pakistan as just as much part of the Talbian as those on the otherside of the border. Yet their gov't and others in the nation are siding with us..pretty damn brave since LIVE on the bbc a fatwah was put out for the Pakistan president. How about giving him a pat on the back. Or does that ruin the 'all muslims are bad' theory?

Are you forgetting the Nazi sympathizers within our own borders durring WW2? Walt Disney for example?

Sure, if someone comes out in favour of the bombings then they need to be dealt with.

[Sjayne]

Bingo Richard. That is exactly what I was trying to say.


I'm a she not a he though

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[richard123]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
[B]Bingo Richard. That is exactly what I was trying to say.


I'm a she not a he though
[B]

I have been caught out a few times myself by making brief and (to me, anyway) obvious statements that have gone totally without comprehension by some readers here. Easy to do, unfortunately.

Sorry about the "he" thing

[12clicks]

Originally posted by richard123:
I am just taking a WILD stab in the dark here re: Sjaynes post about Hitler thing.

Maybe he meant that Hitler was not representing Christians as a whole.

The rest of the Christians didn't do anything until they were themselves attacked. Like the USA, for example, did not declare war until she was attacked.

Now, the president of the largest muslim country (by population) in the world (which is also the largest democracy in the world) visited George today and pledged her support in the fight against terrorism.

... but then again, maybe that wasn't Sjayne's point. I really can't say. Anyone else wanna have a go?

well if that's what she meant, she'd be wrong. all of Europe was at war with germany well before all of Europe was attacked. During that time, the US was pouring millions of dollars towards the war effort before being attacked. And as far as indonisia goes,......talk is cheap.

sjayne, I like you but you're truely clueless on the ways of the world. A majority of the entire arab world is muslim, the majority of the arab world would prefer us dead. you can dance around this point all you want but you'd still be wrong.
Pakistan is helping the US because the government has wanted to be our ally for a long time as a protection against india and our recent promises of $$$. The people, unfortunately, hate us.



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[Dopy]

Don?t be taken in by a Muslims thin exterior shell, its quite often put there to protect his own interests, usually financial. Deep down they are racist and hate the Christian world. We have several of these extremist crack pots in the UK and they have quite a following from your every day Muslims. It?s a pity we have become sophisticated and humane or we would have put them all to the sword by now.

[XXXforU]

Even though I was just a "pimple on his business' ass" I think 12clicks is gay...

[Rose]

My opinion:
Islam is very intolerant religion.
I must agree with Ron on this issue

[12clicks]

Originally posted by XXXforU:
Even though I was just a "pimple on his business' ass" I think 12clicks is gay...

paul, that's a rare term I use in special circumstances only. you must have quite a checkered past.

[Vengeance]

Senior Afghan clerics urged Muslims worldwide to declare a jihad, or holy war, against the United States if its forces attack Afghanistan,... "If a powerful country attacks a weak country, it is a jihad for all Muslims. When a non-Muslim country attacks a Muslim country, it also is a jihad,..." blah blah blah...

They're not saying "only fellow lunatic muslims"... they're saying ALL.

Glass the fuckers.

[Sjayne]

12clicks, I like you too but I think you are the one that is wrong on this (which by the way is part of the joy of living in free countries..we can disagree).

Firstly you didn't say Arab you said Muslim and not all Muslims are Arab and frankly a large number of them aren't.

Secondly, seriously..I do understand WW2 because as I said I live where it was fought and I have gone out and actually spoken and interviewed (for myself and for a book I was paid to help research) people from both sides. Soldiers on the ground and normal everyday people.

Europe might have been fighting but the States wasn't until far into it. Europe fought because they were scared..with reason. Hitler liked the UK..he thought they were a 'proper' society. So the UK could have gone largely untouched if they chose not to fight back.

Also, if you thought that those fighting knew about the camps and the such from the start you are wrong. From the intereviews I have done it became clear (and I backed it up with research) that even though they knew there were camps they didn't know the true nature of the camps.

They thought they were more like the camps we had for the Japanese. Which were wrong but not on the same level. A lot of the truth about what happened in those camps wasn't fully discovered until later on.

One of the interviews I did was with a man who was the first photographer into one of the camps...he was with the military when they discovered it. He went insane (not a joke ..he did) from what he had seen and carried a suitcase full of photos he took at the camp everywhere he went. So, I have done my research on these thing. I may be young but I have done a lot of work with this kind of thing. Not to mention that I actually live in the outside world.

Don't worry..I tell the British and the others when they are being idiots (in my view) too.

If they are people of any religion that think this was right then they need to cease being. However, it is never right to blanket an entire race or religion.

If you want to change Muslim for Taliban than you have my support. I would not cry for any of them to be like the parrot in the Monty Python sketch 'an ex-Taliban..a Taliban that has ceased to be'.

But since we are rounding up all Muslims...should we start with Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul-Jabar? Are they not REAL Muslims?

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by Vengeance:
They're not saying "only fellow lunatic muslims"... they're saying ALL.

So what? I can call for ALL fat American chicks living in London to pick up their arms and go after a certain group. Do you see ALL muslims following them? No. Just the lunatic ones listen to a lunatic leader.

The Pope calls for ALL Christians to do lots of thing. Not all Christians are catholic and hence don't care. Heck most of them that are Catholic don't follow.

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[Vengeance]

True, but the weakminded people over there are buying into it, and the ones that are able to think for themselves (in Afghanistan, not here) don't dare go against what the Taliban wants, for fear of being lynched in the street.

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by Vengeance:
True, but the weakminded people over there are buying into it, and the ones that are able to think for themselves (in Afghanistan, not here) don't dare go against what the Taliban wants, for fear of being lynched in the street.

So not all Muslims then because you are taking out the ones 'over here'.

I hope this when this is all over some of the surviving people in Afghanistan..especially the women get liberated. I can't imagine what it was like in 1997 to go to bed an educated woman and wake to being less than a dog.

[Gary]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
So not all Muslims then because you are taking out the ones 'over here'.

I hope this when this is all over some of the surviving people in Afghanistan..especially the women get liberated. I can't imagine what it was like in 1997 to go to bed an educated woman and wake to being less than a dog.

I agree. I dont usually give much thought to the "plight of women" because my wife is such a bitch, but i really feel for the women in afghanistan. Nobody should have to live like that.

[Vengeance]

Originally posted by Sjayne:
So not all Muslims then because you are taking out the ones 'over here'.

You've gotten turned around here...

I'm saying glass the whole damn place. Why? Because virtually every last person over there is being sucked into the Taliban's bull about holy war. We're obviously not going to nuke ourselves, so that immediately excludes the muslims here. I don't care what they think about it, because they're not standing in Afghanistan.

I wasn't trying to get into a global debate on the thought processes of muslims worldwide. I simply said, the people over there are going to be against us no matter what, because they'll be killed by the Taliban if they aren't.

Hence.... H-Bomb. End of problem... end of holy war.

[Sjayne]

Gary did you and the Mrs have a barney today?

[Kimmykim]

"all of Europe was at war with germany well before all of Europe was attacked."
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Quite honestly all of Europe sat by and watched Eastern Europe get hammered, while they prayed nothing would happen to them. I don't really think that Western Europe did much more than talk a good game til he turned his eyes on them.
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"During that time, the US was pouring millions of dollars towards the war effort before being attacked. "
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Same as above.

[Rose]

"all of Europe was at war with germany well before all of Europe was attacked."
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This is big BS. Europe sold Czechoslovakia
to Hitler(especially France and UK), to save their own ass.

[Kimmykim]

Let's don't forget Poland, Rose. All of Europe really went to bat for them too didn't they?

[Rose]

Western Europe is guilty not stoping Hitler.
His armies were not that strong in the begining.But they didnt.
They gave Czechoslovakia to Hitler, and hoped they saved peace.
Current voices from Europe reminds me that.
People never learn.You can not negotiate
with fanatics.

[Sjayne]

Rose is right (as is Kimmy). Even the British (in their history books and documentries) admit that.

Don't know about France cause I haven't read enough of their material.

I know that a lot of the Swedish people I have met know very well their role in all of that and aren't proud.

[Rose]

Kimmy, Poland came after Czechoslovakia in
1939.Czechoslovakia was ready to defend
itsself and waited for the help of France
and UK, which never came.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Rose:
"all of Europe was at war with germany well before all of Europe was attacked."
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This is big BS. Europe sold Czechoslovakia
to Hitler(especially France and UK), to save their own ass.

you dopey women (KK,Rose), that's not what I said. the countries of europe DID NOT slowly enter the war one by one as they were attacked but banned together against germany.

[Vengeance]

France was too busy pissing themselves.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
you dopey women (KK,Rose), that's not what I said. the countries of europe DID NOT slowly enter the war one by one as they were attacked but banned together against germany.

You are the dopey one. Poland and Czechoslovakia have been part of Europe since well before Hitler invaded them. No one banned together against Hitler before these countries were invaded.

[Kimmykim]

And no one banned together to try and save them upon invasion either.

[Rose]

you dopey women (KK,Rose), that's not what I said. the countries of europe DID NOT slowly enter the war one by one as they were attacked but banned together against germany.
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Ron I dont agree with you this time.
They banned together when there was nothing left to defend(but UK).West Europe betrayed
Czechoslovakia, Poland and others.
West Europeans are mostly pacifist chickens.

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[Rose]

If you have satelite put on BBC and listen to their news.

[Hypo]

CNN Newsflash : The Truth Behind 12dicks

12dicks is Osama's bondage slave serving his master by trying to spread disharmony amongst Americans using inflammatory posts against muslims which he knows honest Americans will defend.

McAfee warns people to guard themselves, and not let themselves fall prey to Osama's bondage slaves. Osama's bondage slaves are easily identifiable by their inflammatory anti-muslim posts cleverly designed to elicit support for the muslims. They also bay for muslim blood and ask for nukes and other such expensive things they don't have to pay for, but which will further degrade America's economy.

A patch identifying these bondage slaves will be available soon at McAfee. Till then people are advised to use their common senese

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Hypo:
CNN Newsflash : The Truth Behind 12dicks

12dicks is Osama's bondage slave serving his master by trying to spread disharmony amongst Americans using inflammatory posts against muslims which he knows honest Americans will defend.

McAfee warns people to guard themselves, and not let themselves fall prey to Osama's bondage slaves. Osama's bondage slaves are easily identifiable by their inflammatory anti-muslim posts cleverly designed to elicit support for the muslims. They also bay for muslim blood and ask for nukes and other such expensive things they don't have to pay for, but which will further degrade America's economy.

A patch identifying these bondage slaves will be available soon at McAfee. Till then people are advised to use their common senese

just get home from the day job?

[Vengeance]

Know what this kids hangin' onto? I'll give you a clue... it ain't a fuckin' lollipop. It's a full scale automatic assault weapon.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Vengeance:
Know what this kids hangin' onto? I'll give you a clue... it ain't a fuckin' lollipop. It's a full scale automatic assault weapon.

yeah, but he's all about peace and love.

[Vengeance]

Afghanistan anti-aircraft defense:

[Vengeance]

Here's another one spreading joy to the world:

[Vengeance]

This is the fuckin' rats nest they call Kabul:



We'd be doing them a fuckin' favor by takin' it down.

[Hypo]

You moron you think he knows how to fire them? Those are toy guns. American kids play with GIJoe and Terminator toys everyday that means they're gonna go out and shoot their parents? Dont believe what the press shows you. They dont show you what's not interesting, and that's peace. Go visit these countries and you'll only find people who don't care if Osama's hanged as long as they and their families live on.

[Vengeance]

You actually believe they have TOY guns???!

Man are you in for a rude awakening.

[Hypo]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
just get home from the day job?

Yeah, we were developing a patch for Osama's bondage slaves.

[Vengeance]

Afghanistan's future:

[Hypo]

That was the caption on the actual news item featuring the photo of the boy with the gun -'Afghanistan boy holding a toy gun'. You bastards paint a completely false picture by posting incomplete news. Go spend your time making galleries and make some money instead of trying to kill innocent people.