Bullshit Countries Traffic - Read It - GoFuckYourself.com

V_RocKs · 12-12-2004, 03:51 AM

I run multiple TGP's and did some stats on them. They mostly get their hits from trades... I have a list of countries most sponsors tell me, SUCK... Here they are:

AE,AL,AM,AZ,BG,BR,BY,CN,CR,CZ,EE,GE,HR
,HU,ID,IL,IN,Jo,JP,KG,KP,KR,KZ,LT,LV,MD
,MY,PH,PK,PL,RO,RU,SG,SI,SK,SY,TH,TJ,TK
,TM,TW,UA,UZ,YU

Some sponsors supposedly will not even take a cc from them. Others will. Of those that will, these countries make up 10% of their revenues. 10% sounds pretty good since there are a shitload more countries that are 'good' countries and most of these countries don't have people with money for computers...

So I decided to do some stats... This TGP is www.universaltgp.com and it is about 6K right now.

I added up all of the hits from each country and how much bandwidth they all consumed. In the end -

33% of the traffic was bad traffic
52% of BW was used by bad traffic

Remember only 10% of signups are from bad traffic and that is from sponsors that accept them.

I asked around. A very high portion of sales are US and CA, UK, GB, AU and FR. So it almost seems pointless to cater to these people at all...

TM3, UCJ, TTT, RB4, etc, all of these scripts should not count shitty traffic. It seems I will have to redirect it all to something... but what... Remember, no one wants it! Toolbars will give a penny for it, Dialers are the same... What can you do with such shitty traffic?

budz · 12-12-2004, 03:53 AM

thx for the info

ugh.. send it to your trades

European Lee · 12-12-2004, 03:53 AM

If you can provide a steady rate of traffic ill buy all of your 'shitty traffic' from you on a daily basis.

Regards,

Lee

Corleone · 12-12-2004, 03:54 AM

do what your bad trades do.. send it back

some tgp owners BUY this shitty traffic just to send it to their trades

V_RocKs · 12-12-2004, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
If you can provide a steady rate of traffic ill buy all of your 'shitty traffic' from you on a daily basis.

Regards,

Lee

How much?

Lycanthrope · 12-12-2004, 03:58 AM

There is no one solution for everything.

Get yourself a GEO-IP database and use .htaccess to redirect by country.

Send Chinese surfers to Jade Bucks

Japanese & Korean surfers to DTI Cash

and until you can tailor the others send them all to Sex Money or International bucks or something...

European Lee · 12-12-2004, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
How much?

$10 more than it makes you now on a daily basis ... that would be $10 in total

Regards,

Lee

Olix · 12-12-2004, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
$10 more than it makes you now on a daily basis ... that would be $10 in total

Regards,

Lee

Hustlin Entertainment · 12-12-2004, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
I run multiple TGP's and did some stats on them. They mostly get their hits from trades... I have a list of countries most sponsors tell me, SUCK... Here they are:

AE,AL,AM,AZ,BG,BR,BY,CN,CR,CZ,EE,GE,HR
,HU,ID,IL,IN,Jo,JP,KG,KP,KR,KZ,LT,LV,MD
,MY,PH,PK,PL,RO,RU,SG,SI,SK,SY,TH,TJ,TK
,TM,TW,UA,UZ,YU

Some sponsors supposedly will not even take a cc from them. Others will. Of those that will, these countries make up 10% of their revenues. 10% sounds pretty good since there are a shitload more countries that are 'good' countries and most of these countries don't have people with money for computers...

So I decided to do some stats... This TGP is www.universaltgp.com and it is about 6K right now.

I added up all of the hits from each country and how much bandwidth they all consumed. In the end -

33% of the traffic was bad traffic
52% of BW was used by bad traffic

Remember only 10% of signups are from bad traffic and that is from sponsors that accept them.

I asked around. A very high portion of sales are US and CA, UK, GB, AU and FR. So it almost seems pointless to cater to these people at all...

TM3, UCJ, TTT, RB4, etc, all of these scripts should not count shitty traffic. It seems I will have to redirect it all to something... but what... Remember, no one wants it! Toolbars will give a penny for it, Dialers are the same... What can you do with such shitty traffic?

Sell this shit traffic to me .

European Lee · 12-12-2004, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hustlin Entertainment
Sell this shit traffic to me .

I asked first.. wait your turn

Regards,

Lee

V_RocKs · 12-12-2004, 04:23 AM

I will look into that EL, but for now... I am not sure what I will do...

I'd like this to be a call to all tgp owners with teen content to kick out the bullshit countries and then we can all save 50% on our bandwidth bills!

V_RocKs · 12-12-2004, 12:38 PM

Bump...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-12-2004, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
I will look into that EL, but for now... I am not sure what I will do...

I'd like this to be a call to all tgp owners with teen content to kick out the bullshit countries and then we can all save 50% on our bandwidth bills!

Brilliant concept but it wont happen.

Remember tgp2? that was a tried and died attempt. TGP webmasters won't change.

Cypherpunk · 12-12-2004, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
I run multiple TGP's and did some stats on them. They mostly get their hits from trades... I have a list of countries most sponsors tell me, SUCK... Here they are:

AE,AL,AM,AZ,BG,BR,BY,CN,CR,CZ,EE,GE,HR
,HU,ID,IL,IN,Jo,JP,KG,KP,KR,KZ,LT,LV,MD
,MY,PH,PK,PL,RO,RU,SG,SI,SK,SY,TH,TJ,TK
,TM,TW,UA,UZ,YU

.TK? i didnt think they even had electricity?

The Heron · 12-12-2004, 03:57 PM

Wow you have a 6k tgp? Holy shit, how did you ever get it so big?!?!?! I bet with those numbers all that "shitty" traffic must really be burning up your $9.95 hosting plan you fool!

Harmon · 12-12-2004, 03:59 PM

Send it all to a fucking dialer

LasseKongos · 12-12-2004, 04:01 PM

You need to find a guy that have a dialer for almost all countries...

Hmmm? Who can that be??

(need more then 6k/day)

V_RocKs · 12-12-2004, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Heron
Wow you have a 6k tgp? Holy shit, how did you ever get it so big?!?!?! I bet with those numbers all that "shitty" traffic must really be burning up your $9.95 hosting plan you fool!

Actually the 6K tgp was used because the other tgp's all have log files that are into the gigabytes, so it was just easier to use it. But thanks for your concern.

V_RocKs · 12-12-2004, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LasseKongos
You need to find a guy that have a dialer for almost all countries...

Hmmm? Who can that be??

(need more then 6k/day)

Ahh... I hope your dialer self installs... ;)

And yes, I have more than 6K a day.

Should I feel insulted?

sean416 · 12-12-2004, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Heron
Wow you have a 6k tgp? Holy shit, how did you ever get it so big?!?!?! I bet with those numbers all that "shitty" traffic must really be burning up your $9.95 hosting plan you fool!

That was uncalled for?

Doctor Dre · 12-12-2004, 06:39 PM

We should also get rid of tgps and all free porn out there.

What you said in this post is pretty obvious but pretty dumb at the same time .

NOBODY will stop that traffic comming to their tgps because their tgp won't grow with trades .

Like if there was no free porn out there we would get a lot more signup but nobody will ever stop it ...

Methodcash Rick · 12-12-2004, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
I run multiple TGP's and did some stats on them. They mostly get their hits from trades... I have a list of countries most sponsors tell me, SUCK... Here they are:

AE,AL,AM,AZ,BG,BR,BY,CN,CR,CZ,EE,GE,HR
,HU,ID,IL,IN,Jo,JP,KG,KP,KR,KZ,LT,LV,MD
,MY,PH,PK,PL,RO,RU,SG,SI,SK,SY,TH,TJ,TK
,TM,TW,UA,UZ,YU

Sell me all of your .JP and .TW traffic...

rowan · 12-12-2004, 06:59 PM

You'll find it hard to rid yourself of this traffic. If you divert it away then you risk killing off your trades, since part of the traffic they send won't be counted - AND often langs like zh will click more than average. Some webmasters may not be too happy about you shunting away their traffic either.

I started a thread on another BBS a while ago about an 'en only' alliance, which would only allow a select group of languages to be traded. It never really took off because it would require that support to be in the trade script.

I ended up concluding it wasn't worth it, bandwidth is cheap now and the alliance sites would be more difficult to grow with a limited set of trades and surfers who didn't click as much.

My 120k TGP costs less than $200/mo to host, including the server. I worry about other things now.

Repetitive Monkey · 12-12-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LasseKongos
You need to find a guy that have a dialer for almost all countries...

Hmmm? Who can that be??

(need more then 6k/day)

So then why the fuck did you speak up?

xclusive · 12-12-2004, 07:22 PM

There is no such thing as bad traffic there is only bad managing of traffic. There is always a way to make a profit...

LasseKongos · 12-12-2004, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Repetitive Monkey
So then why the fuck did you speak up?

Maybe we are going to work very very soon?

V_RocKs · 12-13-2004, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LasseKongos
Maybe we are going to work very very soon?

Stop posting here and make my account...

V_RocKs · 12-13-2004, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sean416
That was uncalled for?

Yes because I took one of my smallest TGP's to use for the example since I don't parse the logs of the old ones; they are simply to big.

Side note, anyone know a way to get apache to stop logging hits for .jpg and .gif files? That'd make my log files a hell of a lot smaller. - And yes, the 'funny, witty' answer already did occure to me; convert them all to text.

V_RocKs · 12-13-2004, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rowan
You'll find it hard to rid yourself of this traffic. If you divert it away then you risk killing off your trades, since part of the traffic they send won't be counted - AND often langs like zh will click more than average. Some webmasters may not be too happy about you shunting away their traffic either.

I started a thread on another BBS a while ago about an 'en only' alliance, which would only allow a select group of languages to be traded. It never really took off because it would require that support to be in the trade script.

I ended up concluding it wasn't worth it, bandwidth is cheap now and the alliance sites would be more difficult to grow with a limited set of trades and surfers who didn't click as much.

My 120k TGP costs less than $200/mo to host, including the server. I worry about other things now.

Yeah, it is cheap. I have a TGP that costs me about $100 to host a month and it is making me about $800 a month. I have another that costs about the same and it is making a grand. I have several more that cost about $50 or less and make about $400. So yeah, I do come out with a lot more profit than I put in. My point is that these people in other countries make up only 6% to 10% of the BUYING public, so why are we giving them a free ride? They consume over 50% of the BW!

A EN only network. Sounds real nice!

You know, the nice thing about all of this is that I am using the traffic right now as fluff to grow my smaller TGP's. This means that the people who bought this shit traffic to grow their TGP's are now growing mine for me. But I'd rather convert it into better cash.

Major (Tom) · 12-13-2004, 12:54 AM

Alot of big tgps/mgps buy useless chinese traffic very cheap so you think that you are actually getting your moneys worth by buying a spot on a 600k a day tgp/mgp. Especially if its a thumb mgp/tgp.. All the chinese can see the images and waste your BW. At least with a text mgp they have to be able to read it.

Duke

V_RocKs · 12-15-2004, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
Alot of big tgps/mgps buy useless chinese traffic very cheap so you think that you are actually getting your moneys worth by buying a spot on a 600k a day tgp/mgp. Especially if its a thumb mgp/tgp.. All the chinese can see the images and waste your BW. At least with a text mgp they have to be able to read it.

Duke

Yeah I ran some traffic on a 70K tgp through a filter to basically count who is sending me shitty traffic. Some pretty big names where in there. I won't mention any of them since I don't wish to have my trades cancelled but, wow!

dcortez · 12-15-2004, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
There is no one solution for everything.

Get yourself a GEO-IP database and use .htaccess to redirect by country.

Send Chinese surfers to Jade Bucks

Japanese & Korean surfers to DTI Cash

and until you can tailor the others send them all to Sex Money or International bucks or something...

I do something similar with my traffic.

My 'A-list' surfers get the royal treatment in house and 'B-list' surfers get sorted and escorted out.

Just recently signed up with an INTERNATIONAL SPONSOR who seems to have a great system for having a go at the foreign traffic without compromising your marketing advantage for your primary visitors.

-Dino

12-12-2004, 03:51 AM	#1
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Bullshit Countries Traffic - Read It I run multiple TGP's and did some stats on them. They mostly get their hits from trades... I have a list of countries most sponsors tell me, SUCK... Here they are: AE,AL,AM,AZ,BG,BR,BY,CN,CR,CZ,EE,GE,HR ,HU,ID,IL,IN,Jo,JP,KG,KP,KR,KZ,LT,LV,MD ,MY,PH,PK,PL,RO,RU,SG,SI,SK,SY,TH,TJ,TK ,TM,TW,UA,UZ,YU Some sponsors supposedly will not even take a cc from them. Others will. Of those that will, these countries make up 10% of their revenues. 10% sounds pretty good since there are a shitload more countries that are 'good' countries and most of these countries don't have people with money for computers... So I decided to do some stats... This TGP is www.universaltgp.com and it is about 6K right now. I added up all of the hits from each country and how much bandwidth they all consumed. In the end - 33% of the traffic was bad traffic 52% of BW was used by bad traffic Remember only 10% of signups are from bad traffic and that is from sponsors that accept them. I asked around. A very high portion of sales are US and CA, UK, GB, AU and FR. So it almost seems pointless to cater to these people at all... TM3, UCJ, TTT, RB4, etc, all of these scripts should not count shitty traffic. It seems I will have to redirect it all to something... but what... Remember, no one wants it! Toolbars will give a penny for it, Dialers are the same... What can you do with such shitty traffic?

12-12-2004, 03:53 AM	#2
budz Disruptive Innovator Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,230	thx for the info ugh.. send it to your trades __________________ C:\Code\ C:\Code\Run\

12-12-2004, 03:53 AM	#3
European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	If you can provide a steady rate of traffic ill buy all of your 'shitty traffic' from you on a daily basis. Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

12-12-2004, 03:58 AM	#6
Lycanthrope Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,517	There is no one solution for everything. Get yourself a GEO-IP database and use .htaccess to redirect by country. Send Chinese surfers to Jade Bucks Japanese & Korean surfers to DTI Cash and until you can tailor the others send them all to Sex Money or International bucks or something... __________________

12-12-2004, 03:59 PM	#16
Harmon ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ) Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 20,010	Send it all to a fucking dialer __________________ [email protected]

12-12-2004, 03:54 AM	#4
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	do what your bad trades do.. send it back some tgp owners BUY this shitty traffic just to send it to their trades

12-12-2004, 04:23 AM	#11
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	I will look into that EL, but for now... I am not sure what I will do... I'd like this to be a call to all tgp owners with teen content to kick out the bullshit countries and then we can all save 50% on our bandwidth bills!

12-12-2004, 12:38 PM	#12
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Bump...

12-12-2004, 03:57 PM	#15
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,487	Wow you have a 6k tgp? Holy shit, how did you ever get it so big?!?!?! I bet with those numbers all that "shitty" traffic must really be burning up your $9.95 hosting plan you fool!

12-12-2004, 04:01 PM	#17
LasseKongos Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,668	You need to find a guy that have a dialer for almost all countries... Hmmm? Who can that be?? (need more then 6k/day)

12-12-2004, 06:59 PM	#23
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	You'll find it hard to rid yourself of this traffic. If you divert it away then you risk killing off your trades, since part of the traffic they send won't be counted - AND often langs like zh will click more than average. Some webmasters may not be too happy about you shunting away their traffic either. I started a thread on another BBS a while ago about an 'en only' alliance, which would only allow a select group of languages to be traded. It never really took off because it would require that support to be in the trade script. I ended up concluding it wasn't worth it, bandwidth is cheap now and the alliance sites would be more difficult to grow with a limited set of trades and surfers who didn't click as much. My 120k TGP costs less than $200/mo to host, including the server. I worry about other things now.

12-12-2004, 07:22 PM	#25
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	There is no such thing as bad traffic there is only bad managing of traffic. There is always a way to make a profit... __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

12-13-2004, 12:54 AM	#30
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,270	Alot of big tgps/mgps buy useless chinese traffic very cheap so you think that you are actually getting your moneys worth by buying a spot on a 600k a day tgp/mgp. Especially if its a thumb mgp/tgp.. All the chinese can see the images and waste your BW. At least with a text mgp they have to be able to read it. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom