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Italian reporter case: read FOREIGN press, US Army is LYING
The italians DID inform the "coalition forces", it was NOT a checkpoint, they DID NOT ignore warnings, they WERE NOT speeding and THE JOURNALIST HAD COMPROMISING INFORMATION ABOUT THE US OPERATIONS IN IRAQ.
"Giuliana had informations and the US military didn't want her alive", said Sgrena's husband and workmate. http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/0...110029269.html "They were 700 meters (yards) from the airport, which means that they had passed all checkpoints." The shooting late Friday was witnessed by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office which was on the phone with one of the secret service agents, said Scolari. "Then the US military silenced the cellphones," he charged. (More ..) http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=38029 |
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That's fucked up...
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Damn, looks like we fucked up big time.
Shoulda shot all of the foreign press to make sure this information wasn't leaked. Oh well, such is life. Live and learn.
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Stupid motherfuckers opened fire because they're losers who couldn't cut it IRL and wound up in the US armed forces with all the rest of the sub-standard garbage. Fucking dummies open fire because they're stupid and frustrated.
This is what happens with an all volunteer army. |
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Yeah, you should really learn the difference between "meters" and "yards." They ain't the same, Mac!
I only believe half of my country's press. You expect me to believe the Italian Press?? What do you put on your corn flakes in the morning???? |
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I wonder what she knows?
Must be pretty big for the US to risk it..... I doubt we will never know If this is proved I doubt even 'Teflon George' can get away with it. |
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If she knows something she better keep her mouth shut, or Bill O'Reilly will call for a boycott of Italy.
He can sell "Give Italy The Boot" bumper stickers on his website.
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i guess it will take some time to know the real details of this accident
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Taken from the BBC:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4270167.stm
In an apparent reference to her husband, Ms Sgrena says: "Pierre, you help me. You have always been by my side in all my battles, I beg you, help me. Show all the pictures I have taken of the Iraqis, of the children hit by the cluster bombs, of the women. I beg you." At one stage, she appears on the verge of crying and struggles to recite her message, AP says. "Nobody should come to Iraq at this time," she says. "Not even journalists. Nobody." She must have more - the public will only know if they manage to kill her just the same or upon her death. Anyone wanting to know why she reports in war torn countries: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Media/0...1205bohne.html |
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Friendly fire is so common..most of it isn't reported
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This is not the first time that something like this has happened. And I am sure that it wont be the last!
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Yes america intentionally tried to kill her , but stopped after only injuring her ?? grab a brain conspiracy nuts.
IT WAS A MISTAKE, A STUPID THOUGHTLESS IGNORANT MISTAKE, nothing more
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Americans will only beleive what they want to beleive. Perhaps this is why 99% of the world hates them. The rest of the world just doesn't show their hatred because of huge business dealings and money involved.
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hmmmmm lets see.... a group of soldiers supposedly have orders to blast two fools in a car because they have compromising materials on the US military... but with all the firepower they have, they couldn't do it and essentially failed their mission to stop her. weird. she and the other survivors in the vehicle must have skills.
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this news report on the turkish press site where she is quoted, contradicts her quotes on the CNN website.
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Italians are pussies, I hear they paid $1mil. to release that woman, if so they just fueled the insurgents with more weapons and desire to kidnap or kill even more people ... Fuckers ...
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You don't only have to read foreign press, now the Boston Globe also mentions the Sgrena version:
In comments reported by the news agency ANSA, Sgrena told investigating magistrates in Rome that the car was not traveling fast and that there was no real checkpoint. ''The firing was not justified by the speed of our car," she was quoted as saying. She added only that it was traveling at a ''regular" speed. ''It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol which shot as soon as it had lit us up with a spotlight," she said. ''We had no idea where the shots were coming from." Sgrena, 56, arrived in Rome yesterday and seemed to be in pain as she was helped off a government plane. Sgrena was clutching a plaid blanket and was attached to a drip. Sgrena was taken by ambulance to a military hospital in Rome, a day after undergoing surgery at a US military hospital in Iraq to remove shrapnel from her shoulder. Doctors examined her and said late yesterday that another operation was not needed. ''We thought the danger was over after my release to the Italians, but all of a sudden there was this shoot-out; we were hit by a barrage of bullets," she told RAI television by telephone. http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...s_us_shooting/ |
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Its he said she said then at this point. I heard the commander say they first blinked the floodlights at the vehicle to make it slow down , then when it didnt slow down they fired several rounds into the air above the vehicle, then they targeted the vehicle. Thats 3 sepearte steps to get them to slow down. Heres what most likely happened.. You have a bunch of guys sitting at checkpoints who feel like sitting ducks. Suicide bombers ramming them daily. Now you have a car with italian secret service agents and a recently freed hostage , who are already beyond a first set of checkpoints and most likely assume the checkpoints know they are coming. So they come across another checkpoint and are eager to get thru, they see the lights but arent sure what to do, then they see shots being fired and perhaps assumed there is someone chasing them behind them and speed up to get out of the line of fire, at this point the army dudes see the car speed up and assume it a suicide bomber.. As someone already pointed out THERES NO REASON TO KILL HER, and if there was , i highly doubt she would be sitting alive in a u.s. military hospital. She is pissed off she got shot as she should be , but its nobody's fault ( except perhaps her driver )
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in an interview Saturday with Italian La 7 TV, Sgrena said "there was no bright light, no signal." Hmm well make up your mind was there a spotlight or not This ungratefull bitch is now acting as if her own kidnappers helped her by saying the americans would shoot her.. Later she explains the truth. they merely told her while they were going to do the drop the americans might kill her. If they were so concerned with her safety why did they kidnap her , and even more curious would be why they paid them $1 million dollars in ransom.
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US knockers consider this. The US army gives guns to people with the intelligence level of theking so fuck ups are not so unlikely. In fact they are to be expected. Also the British Army have issued orders to the British troops to only return fire. The US troops have, to my knowledge, no such order. That information was told to me by a serving Royal Marine Commando who has been stationed in Basra. |
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Like colin powel pointing out chemical weapons dumps , circled on sat photos. And none of it existed all lies, they couldnt even at least fake a broken can of RAID or something. Give us something for all the talk they did.
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normally i am against us invasions but i can understand them shooting
if you were there risking your life 24/7 with the fear behind you that you could be shot every minitue you would react different. we can talk easy sittin behind our desks on our asses. but if you are afraid you react in other ways. so if there are cars coming fast you are afraid its another suicide killer wanting to kill you on the other hand i respect the italian security gard very much he saved the life of the hostage with his own life to put it in a nutshell i can understand both sides you cant only blame the us soldiers
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The brits most likely would have done the same thing, So would italians. A car ramming at you is alot more dangerous than a guy with a gun.. I cant see them not being allowed to shoot a vehicle thats coming straight for them. Daily these crazy fucks drive up in cars full of bombs. If i was at a checkpoint i would unload on any car that was going faster than walking pace.. I mean think about it. If you were out for a drive in iraq , would you simply drive past a checkpoint at "normal speed" ? I think not. I would be driving very slowly anywhere there was guns
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The US goverment told us that in the 11 years since then he had rebuilt his weapons to such an extent that he was now a major threat to the West. During those 11 years there was an arms and oil embargo. The people were starving and the infrastructure of the counrty was being held together by luck and sweat. However Saddam and his cronies were builiding beautiful palaces and living at a level that cost billions. Where was the money coming from to build this vast array of WMD in such a secret manner? The US intelligence services were telling everyone they were convinced Saddam had built this powerful arsenal, though they had no actual proof. With hindsight you are left with three answers, they were lying or the biggest bunch of fools to ever advise a President or they told the President what he wanted to hear to keep their funding. Also one list of locations of WMDs, given to Special Services in Iraq prior to the invasion was a list of unusable, decrepit and non existent weapons. So much for the intelligence coming from the ground prior ro the war. |
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They didnt claim that. You saw one slanted journalist and extrapolated it to fit whatever you wanted
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![]() Central command in Qatar said its troops had been responding in self-defence to enemy fire but witnesses dismissed that claim as false. [..] The statement added: "Sadly a Reuters and Tele 5 journalist were killed in this exchange. These tragic incidents appear to be the latest example of the Iraqi regime's continued strategy of using civilian facilities for military purposes." But journalists in the hotel insisted there had been no Iraqi fire. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...932809,00.html |
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Wanna bet she's going to do her story (about all the things she "knows") in a book real soon? Wanna bet its going to be a bestseller? Wanna bet there will be nothing new in this book?
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Like i said you exagerated the report to fit your needs.. You said and i quote "So how come ALL the journalists in the hotel claimed that the US version was not possible. There were no Iraqi troops even near the hotel" Both from the link you provided and what i personally heard from the reporters themselves when this incident took place on tv, they didnt "ALL" claim the u.s. version was not possible as you stated. Most didnt know what happened at all so your plain wrong. Secondly , there WAS iraqi troops nearby i watched them firing rockets from apartment blocks on video shortly before. This case is another OBVIOUS one, you dont make up facts because you dont like someone or their presence. The tanks were being fired upon by rockets , they most likely looked up saw a camerman on a balcony and thought it was a rocket launcher, they asked for permission to fire, they got it and fired back. Clearly an error in the command portion not the tank. Clearly a u.s. error , but nothing to suggest it was deliberate, absolutley no reason just like the italian case. If she has something so important they would try to kill her " and fail " then why doesnt she just tell us. Same with this case , if the journalists had been targets why? And in neither case why did they not accomplish the supposed tin hat conspiracy plot against journalists
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