Why the hell does China have cheap gas???

[VeriSexy]

They are buying gas from around the world and they are still able to sell it the cheapest. Canada gets oil from Alberta and it's still more expensive!!! WTF!!!

44 US cents per litre is damn cheap!!!!!!!!!! That's like $1.80 per gallon


"Sources from the Beijing oil branch of Sinopec, Asia's largest oil refiner, said the retail 90-octane gasoline price in the capital city rose 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre to 3.67 yuan (44 US cents) per litre. Price hikes for other types of retail gasoline also averaged 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre."

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/englis...ent_427865.htm

[wjxxx]

low taxes

[VeriSexy]

Originally Posted by wjxxx

low taxes

Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying???

[JuiceMonkey]

yeah we have a ton of gas tax here..
the natives get hooked up
I'm still trying to get a counterfit id

[BRISK]

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying???

In some countries taxes make up 75% of the price you pay at the pump

[dynastoned]

half of china drives around in hybrid cars.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying???

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure...mer/primer.htm

almost 40% is taxes

[EroticySteve]

Can anything be done? It's hard to imagine that a whole nation of drivers can't make a stand against these prices. This is simply ridiculous. We're paying over a dollar more per gallon than we should be paying.

[hmmwv]

i think we (germany) have quiet over 60% taxes

[Rinaldo]

Yup taxes. My uncle owns 4 gas stations, he makes about 3-4 cents a gallon but after expenses and such makes a little more than a cent.

It's a tough business... that's why they charge you up the ass for a coke inside.

[Fletch XXX]

we pay more than anyone else in the United STates here in california.

I guess its because we have more strict regulations on gas and emissions.

here your car must pass smog tests and prove that it does not produce over a certain amount of fumes.

too bad the rest of the world doesnt give a shit.

we have to pay for better gas while the rest of the country simply uses the cheap stuff and fucks up our planet even more.

he State of California operates its own reformulated gasoline program with more stringent requirements than Federally-mandated clean gasolines. In addition to the higher cost of cleaner fuel, there is a combined State and local sales and use tax of 7.25 percent on top of an 18.4 cent-per-gallon federal excise tax and an 18.0 cent-per-gallon State excise tax. Refinery margins have also been higher due in large part to price volatility in the region.

California prices are more variable than others because there are relatively few supply sources of its unique blend of gasoline outside the State. California refineries need to be running near their fullest capabilities in order to meet the State= s fuel demands. If more than one of its refineries experiences operating difficulties at the same time, California=s gasoline supply may become very tight and the prices soar. Supplies could be obtained from some Gulf Coast and foreign refineries; however, California=s substantial distance from those refineries is such that any unusual increase in demand or reduction in supply results in a large price response in the market before relief supplies can be delivered. The farther away the necessary relief supplies are, the higher and longer the price spike will be.

California was one of the first states to ban the gasoline additive methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE) after it was detected in ground water. Ethanol, a non-petroleum product usually made from corn, is being used in place of MTBE. Gasoline without MTBE is more expensive to produce and requires refineries to change the way they produce and distribute gasoline. Some supply dislocations and price surges occurred in the summer of 2003 as the State moved away from MTBE. Similar problems have also occurred in past fuel transitions.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure...mer/primer.htm

Gas is over 3$ a gallon here, its been close to 3 bucks since the Iraq war and is only climbing.

Will be at 3:50 by the end of the year

[GFED]

i thought this oil war was suppose to keep gas prices DOWN?

[andrej_NDC]

taxes, as said before

[Denis_SC]

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying???

Half ? I wish .... It's $ 1.02 / L here

[dready]

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

[cool1]

Stop buying gas.
If everyone stopped driving thier cars for a week, wouldn't that drive the price down?
better yet stop driving them for a month and see what happens.

[GFED]

EVERYONE?

[dready]

We've used it all. Get used to it.

[OG LennyT]

Because they are the world super-power and we arent anymore.

[blazin]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

we have to pay for better gas while the rest of the country simply uses the cheap stuff and fucks up our planet even more.

My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

[latinasojourn]

for a chinaman it ain't cheap.

energy is marketed not so much based on production costs, but on what the market will bear.

for example, natural gas is basically free, but is priced differently all over the world.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by blazin

My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

I have no doubt about that.

america is a disgusting place.

[chowda]

Because they want people to buy cars and to keep spending.

Traffic is fucken insane in the big cities, yet there are no laws and rules to outlaw or curtail any decrease in consumption of cars and gas.

Cars helps the chinese economy, buy cars, use our gas.

[chowda]

Originally Posted by blazin

My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

for the time being, they are. But its how they pollute that differs.

You dont get much sass back in china, where smog literally clouds the sunrise. But in the states, they have watch dogs for this kind of thing, so the companies do night pollution or find other means of hiding their pollutants

[OG LennyT]

My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I have no doubt about that.

america is a disgusting place.

Youve obviously never been to the far East. Korea is a cessepool.

[Mr. Soul]

Originally Posted by dynastoned

half of china drives around in hybrid cars.

Not true, and in fact the cars they do sell have much lower emission standards than in EU or North America.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by dvd316

Youve obviously never been to the far East. Korea is a cessepool.

humans tend to do this wherever they inhabit.

its not bound to country, but i see your point and no I have never been to Far East.

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by EroticySteve

Can anything be done? It's hard to imagine that a whole nation of drivers can't make a stand against these prices. This is simply ridiculous. We're paying over a dollar more per gallon than we should be paying.

Bush family and friends are getting super Rich

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Rinaldo

Yup taxes. My uncle owns 4 gas stations, he makes about 3-4 cents a gallon but after expenses and such makes a little more than a cent.

It's a tough business... that's why they charge you up the ass for a coke inside.

that is so true... I never understood how little gas stations make off gas. all the money is in the soda's.

[aleck]

Originally Posted by GFED

i thought this oil war was suppose to keep gas prices DOWN?

that would be super-dumb for ones who has friends in TX.

[killshot]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

we pay more than anyone else in the United STates here in california.

We pay more than CA in Hawaii

[Mr. Soul]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I have no doubt about that.

america is a disgusting place.

By far the largest polluter. In fact, the US military alone pollutes more than any other country besides China. What are you going to do though right? I don't think they'd get too far with hybrid tanks and solar powered stealth bombers.

China may catch up sooner than later anyway, they burn tons of dirty coal.

[blazin]

Originally Posted by dvd316

Youve obviously never been to the far East. Korea is a cessepool.

I doubt it pollutes more than the USA.. Anyway South Korea is a practically a US colony.

[sixxxthsense]

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying???

half of oil price is tax duuuuuhhh

[dready]

For the first time in history, the supply of oil is less than demand. It's a very simple concept called peak oil that you'd do well to understand rather than bitch.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by dready

For the first time in history, the supply of oil is less than demand. It's a very simple concept called peak oil that you'd do well to understand rather than bitch.

A good part of the reason for that is Bush is using tax money to buy alot of the available oil for the US energy reserves. All for "national security" of course, has nothing to do with he, his family and friends being in the oil business.

Drive all the high mileage gas sipping econoboxes you want, he'll just keep 'adjusting' the market to drive the prices higher.

[latinasojourn]

Originally Posted by chowda

for the time being, they are. But its how they pollute that differs.

You dont get much sass back in china, where smog literally clouds the sunrise. But in the states, they have watch dogs for this kind of thing, so the companies do night pollution or find other means of hiding their pollutants

haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

[Linkster]

After all these posts - I still dont get why everybody thinks the prices in the US are dues to taxes - the US govt puts a tax of 18.4 cents on every gallon - each state then adds their tax which ranges from 7 to 32 cents a gallon extra (and actually California is only 18c so middle of the road) which all totals about 50 cents per gallon. More importantly - this hasnt changed in the last two years, so it is not the cause of any differences we see today. Brings it all back to supply and demand - during the oil crisis we had back in the 70s, we approached the issue by demanding that auto companies stop selling the gas guzzlers and rationing gas - you could only buy it on certain days dependent on your license plate number or last name etc. (different by state). And a lot of people decided to do something called car-pooling - thats where all these extra lanes on the highway for two or more passengers came from. (HOV etc)
The biggest problem that we have in the US right now is that a good percentage of people dont give a shit one way or the other what they are doing to the price of gas by driving their SUVs and other "toys". If they would take time out to "care" (I know - not gonna happen in this apethetic me,me,me society in the US) and stop their whining - they could actually do something about the price - lower the demand.

[OG LennyT]

Originally Posted by blazin

I doubt it pollutes more than the USA.. Anyway South Korea is a practically a US colony.

Youve obviously never been there either

[chowda]

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

site your source.

Im sure you can justify why usa doesnt need to be in the kyoto agreement as well.

[Linkster]

By the way - since I was around during the oil embargo of 1973 - the prices went up a factor of 4 - quadrupled in price overnight - when I was a teen we sold gasoline for 25 cents a gallon - 1973 hit and we were over a dollar - just a little history. Of course once it was over, the price never dropped because the oil companies could now make four times as much

[garce]

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

The United States, with the world's largest economy, remains the world's largest single source of anthropogenic (human-caused) greenhouse gas emissions. Current projections indicate that U.S. emissions of carbon dioxide, which is released into the atmosphere when fossil fuels are burned, will reach 5,985 million metric tons in 2005, an increase of 1,083 million metric tons from the 4,902 million metric tons emitted in 1990, and around one-fourth of total world energy-related carbon emissions.

Just the facts, as supplied by the U.S. Government.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html

[volante]

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

Pollution stats per capita:
Sulphur Oxides
Nuclear Waste
Nitrogen Oxides
Munincipal Waste
Carbon Dioxide

Guess which country is top of two of these charts?

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by Linkster

The biggest problem that we have in the US right now is that a good percentage of people dont give a shit one way or the other what they are doing to the price of gas by driving their SUVs and other "toys". If they would take time out to "care" (I know - not gonna happen in this apethetic me,me,me society in the US) and stop their whining - they could actually do something about the price - lower the demand.

While it is absolutely ridiculous for one person to drive a 5000 lb 8MPG SUV as a daily driver in the suburbs, this isn't consumer demand driving up the price of gasoline, at least not the consumers you're seeing at the gas pumps. If it were then gas would have slowly risen in price the past ten years at the same pace as the prevalance of the vehicles you mentioned. It didn't do that though, it spiked suddenly because the market is being manipulated.

I doubt if high gas prices are going to deter many people who are already willing to spend $30k+ on a truck with leather seats for their daily commute.

[aleck]

in europe $30k isn't really a lot for a car and 70% of new cars are diesels. it's all about the numbers

[FunkMachine]

It's because China provides invaluable international diplomatic protection (ie. it provides protection from rightful UN sanctions) to oil-producing countries such as Sudan (have been raping and killing their way through their own country for 20 years) and Iran (major sponsor of international terrorism and currently building a nuke with which to threaten Saudi Arabia, Israel, Europe and the US).

Hence, they get their oil from these states "on the cheap".

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by aleck

in europe $30k isn't really a lot for a car and 70% of new cars are diesels. it's all about the numbers

If people realized how much more economical diesels are there would be more of a demand for them here (in the US). Most gas stations don't offer diesel fuel though and people see it as something only for big semi trucks.

$30k is a lot for these types of vehicles here (although it's becoming more normal now). SUV's used to be something for hillbillies and farmers until they started becoming 'fashionable' for some odd reason a decade or so ago. Why the public ever adopted these things as status symbols is beyond me. They look like the bastard child of a station wagon and a minivan, two vehicles almost no one ever considered stylish. It makes as much sense as if people started wearing denim overalls to be more fashionable.

[BDSMpersonals]

communist system subsidizes some things

[latinasojourn]

Originally Posted by volante

Pollution stats per capita:
Sulphur Oxides
Nuclear Waste
Nitrogen Oxides
Munincipal Waste
Carbon Dioxide

Guess which country is top of two of these charts?

i won't argue with statistics you can find, but i stand by my qualified statement.

of course the usa is a big polluter. it has the greatest industrial output of any nation on earth.

my point is: for a given amount of industrial output it is probably one of the world's lowest polluters.

[chowda]

Originally Posted by latinasojourn

i won't argue with statistics you can find, but i stand by my qualified statement.

of course the usa is a big polluter. it has the greatest industrial output of any nation on earth.

my point is: for a given amount of industrial output it is probably one of the world's lowest polluters.

btw, ive been in china, ive seen factories from urban cities to some outer provinces. ITs dirty, its all smog and you get sandstorms in the major metropolitans.

Also im going back to china for business/leisure in 2006. Maybe then ill stop talking out of my ass about something i dont know about.