Super Power

[kenny]

The united states is becoming the world's super power, we pretty much run the UN and any country that even thinks about a attack on the US has picked the path of self destruction.
What do you think?
Is the US in sight of world domination?
Are all these 3rd world countries just so bored they don't have nothing else to do, but player hate the super power?

[Goonx]

Are you looking for WWIII ??

[Fletch XXX]

Mmmm power.

[[Labret]]

We are the new Roman Empire.

But all empires fall. History has never let us down in that respect.

[Lev]

But all empires fall. History has never let us down in that respect.

Very true, it's a matter of time

[pr0]

We need to join up with Canada, Australia, England, & Ireland...and take over the world.

Starting with France & the Middle East


Axi's & Allie's fuck that...i want our coallition to be called....

The Spoiled Rich Guys that finally decided not to ask for your shit, so now we will just take it.

Saudi Arabia & all you middle eastern countries, hand over all your oil......South America, mow down your "rain forest" & give us all the timber.

Then lets all build one big fucking Party Crib thats a state wide, & party off everyone elses misery

[kenny]

Originally posted by [Labret]
We are the new Roman Empire.

But all empires fall. History has never let us down in that respect.

History repeats it's self, but when we do fall the end has come for all

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by kenny
The united states is becoming the world's super power, we pretty much run the UN and any country that even thinks about a attack on the US has picked the path of self destruction.
What do you think?
Is the US in sight of world domination?
Are all these 3rd world countries just so bored they don't have nothing else to do, but player hate the super power?

Correction; we are not becoming, we are the worlds greatest economic and military power.

We are not out to dominate anyone per se, but we have, and will continue to do whatever we perceive to be in our best economiic interests, giving little concern to whoes toes may be stepped on.

That is the primary driving force behind our foriegn policy and many countries have a problem with our success in this endeavor.

[Brown Bear]

China is still a threat. They have over 1.2 billion people and they are becoming wealthier as a country all the time. They have lots of nukes and a huge army.

[pr0]

Originally posted by Brown Bear
China is still a threat. They have over 1.2 billion people and they are becoming wealthier as a country all the time. They have lots of nukes and a huge army.

We also run a large island right off their coast called Taiwan.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Brown Bear
China is still a threat. They have over 1.2 billion people and they are becoming wealthier as a country all the time. They have lots of nukes and a huge army.

Exactly, thats why we need to take the middle east down and claim it for our own, then china will have nothing on us

[Brown Bear]

Originally posted by kenny


Exactly, thats why we need to take the middle east down and claim it for our own, then china will have nothing on us

Yeah, good luck with that.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Brown Bear


Yeah, good luck with that.

Stop player hatin the US if we don't obtain world domination then nobody will

[Brown Bear]

I don't think any country is trying to gain "world domination"

America just tries to make sure other countries don't fuck with its way of life

[kenny]

It's evolution in it's finally stages combined with the natural desire and need of territory, world domination is what's left to take

[pr0]

Originally posted by kenny
It's evolution in it's finally stages combined with the natural desire and need of territory, world domination is what's left to take

Take over what land?

The middle east is just one big ass sandbox once we're done sucking the oil out of it.

Africa, hmmm would make a nice lion & elephant zoo. But we would also inherit 50,000,000 starving children.

South America - Once again more starving children.

The artic - thats melting away

The ex soviet block - more welfare cases

Theres nothing worth dominating....

Except maybe japan, sweden & norway, those chicks r just hot

[Brown Bear]

I agree. Why would anybody want to take over the middle east? Besides the oil that will run out in 50 years....its a crap hole full of dirt, sand, and more dirt.

[Brown Bear]

Thats funny when you say that the US should take over other countries, espcially when the US is being taken over by Mexico.

[Pathfinder]

I will repeat; the USA is not interested in taking over land, but is interested in maintaining, and improving, itself economically.

[Redbone]

Again I agree with Pathfinder: the US has no interest in conquering anyone in the traditional way. It's just an economic imperial power, tweaked when deemed necessary by the use of force.

pr0's point speaks to this: we DON'T WANT the other places. Do we want Puerto Rico as a state? Hell no, because we'd have to pay for it. Fuck the people and their land, we say; we want them to work for us. Partying off everybody else's misery? We've been doing that for over 50 years. PARTY CRIB: NORTH AMERICA.

[Pornwolf]

Pure evolution/economics. The strong does as it likes to continue it's way of life and ensure it's happiness. Nothing more, nothing less. If this ends up becoming a world domination situation, as the current evolutionary path suggests, it's only because the smaller nations can no longer grow fast enough or contribute enough to the world stage in order to justify their existance in the increasingly advanced and competitive world we live in.

In that case they get swallowed by the dominating society and pillaged for whatever their worth. It's just evolutionary-economics.

[Goonx]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Pure evolution/economics. The strong does as it likes to continue it's way of life and ensure it's happiness. Nothing more, nothing less. If this ends up becoming a world domination situation, as the current evolutionary path suggests, it's only because the smaller nations can no longer grow fast enough or contribute enough to the world stage in order to justify their existance in the increasingly advanced and competitive world we live in.

In that case they get swallowed by the dominating society and pillaged for whatever their worth. It's just evolutionary-economics.

ya, what he said...

[kenny]

middle east = oil (major natural resource)
we did not get to where we are now by keeping to our selves

[Steve]

if we are the new Roman Empire, keep you eyes open for the next Crassus

[kenny]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Pure evolution/economics. The strong does as it likes to continue it's way of life and ensure it's happiness. Nothing more, nothing less. If this ends up becoming a world domination situation, as the current evolutionary path suggests, it's only because the smaller nations can no longer grow fast enough or contribute enough to the world stage in order to justify their existance in the increasingly advanced and competitive world we live in.

In that case they get swallowed by the dominating society and pillaged for whatever their worth. It's just evolutionary-economics.

yea what he said

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Pure evolution/economics. The strong does as it likes to continue it's way of life and ensure it's happiness. Nothing more, nothing less. If this ends up becoming a world domination situation, as the current evolutionary path suggests, it's only because the smaller nations can no longer grow fast enough or contribute enough to the world stage in order to justify their existance in the increasingly advanced and competitive world we live in.

In that case they get swallowed by the dominating society and pillaged for whatever their worth. It's just evolutionary-economics.

Blunt and taken to an extreme result, but will probably prove to be true.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by [Labret]
We are the new Roman Empire.

But all empires fall. History has never let us down in that respect.

it will happen.. and sooner than the roman's did.. history happens faster these days.. rome didn't rise to the greatest world power in half a century like the US did..
but at the same time.. the roman's didn't have spy satellites and the intel gathering the US does to stay in power. It's going to be hard to fall from grace when the NSA knows the other country's bids on large contracts and US interests will always be able to prevail on the battlefield.. plus the string of countries that are really no more than unrecognised 53rd, 54th, 55th states.. or glorified US military and intelligence bases (australia, new zealand)

[Dawgy]

the US has become the very thing that the pilgrims were trying to escape from

[Pornwolf]

I think it's incredible that we have come to power so fast since we aren't even at least 1/4 as old as just about every other country! I guess that's a real testament to the old saying "Nice guys finish last!"

[kenny]

Originally posted by Dawgy
the US has become the very thing that the pilgrims were trying to escape from

There is no better country to live in on this planet, we all pay our dues to insure our way of life and our future generations way of life

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by kenny


There is no better country to live in on this planet

you'll have some challengers there buddy

[kenny]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
I think it's incredible that we have come to power so fast since we aren't even at least 1/4 as old as just about every other country! I guess that's a real testament to the old saying "Nice guys finish last!"

Like I said we didn't get where we are now by keeping to our selves, and we are still moving rapidly towards complete control of the world

[Brown Bear]

Originally posted by kenny


There is no better country to live in on this planet

The US is the best country in the world to do business, but I think there are better countries in the world to actually live in.

[Pornwolf]

That's a personal opinion debate. Some folks like living in sub-Saharan Africa!? Why would you like living in the desert with Dengue Fever I don't know but some people will argue you down with their (misguided) opinions.

What I wanna know, Bhutocracy, is why the Australians, since they come from the same 'criminal cast-off' English stock we come from, why aren't they anywhere close to being a superpower instead of a country that is just a joint US/UK toy?

This isn't an insult because I love Australia but since we have so much in common heritage-wise, why are we so different?

[kenny]

There could very well be better countries to live in, I am ignorant to this fact, being I never lived in any

[Pathfinder]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
That's a personal opinion debate. Some folks like living in sub-Saharan Africa!? Why would you like living in the desert with Dengue Fever I don't know but some people will argue you down with their (misguided) opinions.

What I wanna know, Bhutocracy, is why the Australians, since they come from the same 'criminal cast-off' English stock we come from, why aren't they anywhere close to being a superpower instead of a country that is just a joint US/UK toy?

This isn't an insult because I love Australia but since we have so much in common heritage-wise, why are we so different?

How about this for a couple of ideas, resources, and population, though I suspect the premise of your post was designed to gig.

[LoveAsianChicks]

Originally posted by Brown Bear
China is still a threat. They have over 1.2 billion people and they are becoming wealthier as a country all the time. They have lots of nukes and a huge army.

China will have the largest economy within 30 years. I've seen both English & Chinese reports on the subject.
But No country with nuclear weapons will be stronger then another nuclear armed country.

Believe it or not but France could destroy America tomorrow if they wanted...France would be destroyed also but you see my point.
All nuclear powers are pretty equal in that regard.

The problem isn't powerful countries, its little 2-bit countries who might build a nuke and smuggle the thing inside some country.

[Brown Bear]

Yeah, I don't think China will ever want to use its nukes against the US. Chinese people aren't crazy like muslims. Also, China is becoming more and more of a capitalist democratic country all the time, which means they are less and less likely to do wacko crazy things like fire off some nukes at another country.

[LoveAsianChicks]

Originally posted by kenny


There is no better country to live in on this planet, we all pay our dues to insure our way of life and our future generations way of life

Are you on crack?
I forget who did the study but USA was considered like #14 best place to live.

Keep in mind the USA does alot but everything is shipped around. You make SpiderMan & it plays around the world.
You build a car and its sold anywhere.
Japan builds a kick ass TV & it sells anywhere.

What is important is social services, hospitals, education, crime, pollution, employment etc...
These wrapped up are calling living conditions & the USA is NOT #1.

Every year its Canada which wins or Switzerland.

I actually think USA or Japan are the "best" countries cause they have lots of technology, but all that is shared/sold to everyone so they are not automatically the BEST place to live. Your far better off living in Canada

[Brown Bear]

Yeah, I know the survey you're thinking of. Its an survey that ranks cities overall quality of life.

Here is the 2002 rankings:


1. ZURICH


2. VIENNA

(Vienna and Vancouver tied for 2nd)

2. VANCOUVER, CA

4. SYDNEY, AU

4. GENEVA, CH

6. FRANKFURT, DE

6. AUCKLAND, NZ


6. COPENHAGEN, DK


6. HELSINKI, FI


10. BERN, CH


10. MUNICH, DE


12. AMSTERDAM, NL


12. MELBOURNE, AU


12. STOCKHOLM, SE


15. OSLO, NO

15. DUSSELDORF, DE


15. BRUSSELS, BE


18. LUXEMBOURG, LU


18. TORONTO, CA


18. SAN FRANCISCO, US


18. PERTH, AU


22. HONOLULU, US


22. WELLINGTON, NZ


22. BERLIN, DE


25. MONTREAL, CA


25. NURNBERG, DE


25. HAMBURG, DE


25. OTTAWA, CA


25. TOKYO, JP


25. BRISBANE, AU


31. PARIS, FR


31. SEATTLE, US


31. YOKOHAMA, JP


31. CALGARY, CA


35. LOS ANGELES, US


35. DUBLIN, IE


35. ADELAIDE, AU


35. KOBE, JP


35. SINGAPORE, SG


40. LYON, FR


41. WINSTON SALEM, US


41. LONDON, GB


41. WASHINGTON DC, US


41. BOSTON, US

41. NEW YORK, US


41. CHICAGO, US


41. MADRID, ES


48. LEXINGTON, US


48. PITTSBURGH, US


48. OSAKA, JP

[LoveAsianChicks]

Yeah some survey is for countries another for actual cities.
You can see the first US city was listed #18.

[Fletch XXX]

History only repeats itself if its allowed to.

[Keev]

My theory with the Oil Situation is the United States is taking and using all there oil and paying what we think is high gas prices now but the fact that other sources of oil exist in Russia, Alaska, Canada, Mexico and a couple other countries that once its dried up and serious ned for oil is even higher in the middle east we wont have to worry about all this shit as much becuase we will have alternative sources. They can go back to playing polo on camels and wishing they didnt fuck with us.

[ControlThy]

Originally posted by LoveAsianChicks


Believe it or not but France could destroy America tomorrow if they wanted...France would be destroyed also but you see my point.
All nuclear powers are pretty equal in that regard.

Correct.

It is ignorant to believe that a country with the most advanced military could not be destroyed by one or two nuclear bombs.

If you want to be reminded of the power of nuclear weapons, than read a bit about hiroshima.

Why do you think the US has spy satellites checking data transmissions all over the world? They want to make sure that non allies not get their hands on a bomb that could destroy or break the power of the US.

[Fletch XXX]

I just cant wait until we find a way to utilize all the <a href=http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/gas-hydrates/title.html>Methane Hydrates</a> buried in the Sea thats been killing us for years.

I dont know why we havent found a way to use Methane for everyday use.

Not to mention there are miles and miles of it leaking to the surface of the water daily.

"Methane trapped in marine sediments as a hydrate represents such an immense carbon reservoir that it must be considered a dominant factor in estimating unconventional energy resources; the role of methane as a 'greenhouse' gas also must be carefully assessed.
Dr. William Dillon,
U.S. Geological Survey
"

[Brown Bear]

Yeah, as soon as the oil in the middle east starts to dry up, they're fucked! These countries economies are so dependant on oil its crazy. They better figure out something else to produce, or else they're gonna be even poorer than they are now.

They have shitty land for agriculture. They don't really have much mining, forestry, or fishing. They have a largely uneducated population, so technology industries are unlikely to sprout up there. And I seriously doubt that tourism will ever be a big money maker in the middle east. So, a few more decades of oil exporting is all they have until they're completely fucked.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Pornwolf

What I wanna know, Bhutocracy, is why the Australians, since they come from the same 'criminal cast-off' English stock we come from, why aren't they anywhere close to being a superpower instead of a country that is just a joint US/UK toy?

This isn't an insult because I love Australia but since we have so much in common heritage-wise, why are we so different?

pathfinder hit it on the head.. for a start theres population and land mass. we are a 14th of your size population wise now.. i think all of us fit into new york.. and at the time when america exploded into the superpower it is we were only 5 or 6 million strong.. our landmass.. while huge is largely uninhabitable.. we don't have enough room for enough people to be super powerful (now).. maybe 30mill max..

resources.. no where near as rich as america in terms of minerals, oil and arable land.

australia is half america's age.. we're only 214 years old.. we didn't cut the apron strings to the UK that long ago.. and in some senses still haven't.. whereas you guys stopped being an english outpost a century before we did.. we haven't had nearly the same time to nationbuild.
we haven't been in the position to profit from war until the 70's timor invasion..

it's sort of a case of america being our older brother that got a much bigger inheritance and at this point in time america is running a large corporation as CEO while australia is still in Uni.. doing a few odd jobs on the side and still calls the palace to talk to mom from time to time.

you can't compare the two countries that way.. with twice the headstart and more resources it's a bit silly to think australia could ever match up to america.

even though we're more than capable of military might in the technological sense, we're barred from developing nukes, and most of our innovation gets sold to the US military..
we could obliterate Indonesia (20 times our size) if they ever tried to invade beause we have a hi-tech military to compensate for our extremely low body count.
we're a rich 1st world country that has more nobel prizes than japan, is regarded as in the top 3 places to live in the world.. as you can see in the list above.. even though you can't really measure these things.. brisvegas beats paris.. and our unofficial capital is #4.. but yet we have a relaxed attitude that belies what we're capable of.

but at this time.. where it's near impossible to muscle in to the big boy tier, all we can really do is align ourselves to our best interests.. even if that sacrifices our sovereignty to the UK or nowadays the US.

I still think it's a great place to indulge in the spoils of the west without many of the hassles.

I know I for one could never give up my 30 second walk to the water in a near tropical paradise.. for anything..

[bhutocracy]

well.. maybe maui or something but then you forgo the benefits of close proximity to world class cities..

we still haven't even outgrown our cultural cringe.. i mean we're still so new that the first question that any visiting foreigner gets is "how do you like australia" it's actually quite sad.. it's like we're pathetically desperate for self assurance that we're on the right track

[Pornwolf]

Good answer. Thanks

[quiet]

Originally posted by [Labret]
We are the new Roman Empire.

But all empires fall. History has never let us down in that respect.

certainly. but there are some significant differences. The emerging global economy is one.