Mobile porn eureka...it works! [Pic]

[RayVega]

As some of you know, after selling off Mobbucks, I am starting a new program [Caesarcash] in which I have the freedom to take chances with new ideas and technologies. one is that I want my content to be loadable onto phones and Ipods...so here was my first test. Went without a hitch. Watch for Caesarcash's first site coming real soon totally geo-targeted, mobile content, rss!

Tested the mobile version of a random clip of porn from my server to see how it works...I gotta say even though it's a small screen I can see putting my favorite clips on my devices.

I loaded a clip onto a Peble cell phone here, sorry bout the poor quality photo.



Wave of the future my friends, wave of the future! Caesarcash! Yea! be on the lookout. I'm putting together a mobile TGP too because I believe it will help drive the market so if you want your stuff mobilized and on the new mobile gallery post, hit me up...

[Mr.Right - Banned For Life]

Looks good man.

Looking forward to your new program

[scotty2hotty1111]

looking good there

[OldSchoolJim]

that rocks ray...we are keeping up with the mobile stuff also...i thin 2007 is going to be a hot year for that!

[squishypimp]

awesome stuff man!

[NewtonXXX]

Very nice indeed

[BlueDesignStudios]

great stuff man.. good luck with that, it looks awesome!

[sharp]

sweet, looks good.

[sharp]

sweet, looks good.

[JOKER]

Good decision

If you need any help with cross-platform / browser testing, don't hesitate to get in touch (icq in sig) - got the Nokia E70, Nokia 7650 and some other internet-capable ones here.

Same goes if you need any input etc.

Steve

[Pleasurepays]

i think it will "be the future" when mobile phone monitors are 17"

otherwise, i would say it is NEVER gonna live up to the hype. a 2" screen showing a 3" girl getting fucked by a 2mm dick isn't gonna get the job done. its a novelty.

i can see a huge future for mobile phones and video in terms of video phone calls and even video chat.. but not "porn"

[quantum-x]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think it will "be the future" when mobile phone monitors are 17"

otherwise, i would say it is NEVER gonna live up to the hype. a 2" screen showing a 3" girl getting fucked by a 2mm dick isn't gonna get the job done. its a novelty.

i can see a huge future for mobile phones and video in terms of video phone calls and even video chat.. but not "porn"

I'm in total agreeance with you here.

[I'm a sig whore]

good stuff.

[JOKER]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think it will "be the future" when mobile phone monitors are 17"

otherwise, i would say it is NEVER gonna live up to the hype. a 2" screen showing a 3" girl getting fucked by a 2mm dick isn't gonna get the job done. its a novelty.

i can see a huge future for mobile phones and video in terms of video phone calls and even video chat.. but not "porn"

Funny that on German schools we already have the problem of teenagers sharing violent videos and porn with each other through their cellphones (of course adults are not reported doing so, so you won't hear about that)...

You underestimate the branding capability of a mobile device in an environment where lots of people want to brag and show off in front of their buddies.
"Hey look what new porn-video I have dude" *shows video on his cellphone*
"Damn, that's slick, where did you get it from?" "Here on this cool site XYZ.com - they even have these videos ready for your cell, ipod and stuff!" "Fuck, I need to have this to, I'm gonna sign up when I get home to my PC" *sale* - just a stupid example from the real-world...

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Funny that on German schools we already have the problem of teenagers sharing violent videos and porn with each other through their cellphones (of course adults are not reported doing so, so you won't hear about that)...

You underestimate the branding capability of a mobile device in an environment where lots of people want to brag and show off in front of their buddies.
"Hey look what new porn-video I have dude" *shows video on his cellphone*
"Damn, that's slick, where did you get it from?" "Here on this cool site XYZ.com - they even have these videos ready for your cell, ipod and stuff!" "Fuck, I need to have this to, I'm gonna sign up when I get home to my PC" *sale* - just a stupid example from the real-world...

but again, your example is about novelty... porn sales just doesn't work like that. people don't pay for porn because one guy says "hey man, check out this video on my phone". branding for the phone maybe... not the clip or performer or site.

besides... are you that new to the biz? porn is an impulse purchase. thats all its ever been. do you really think someone is somewhere with friends... sees a clip, actually KNOWS where it came from, remembers where it came from... goes home and finds the site where it came from and then joins? it just won't happen.

also, i have yet to see ANYONE saying "hey man, check out this video on my IPOD" - yet everyone i know has the latest and greatest... especially in the gym where people are even watching movies while doing cardio. Porn is just not made for mobile entertainment.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

but again, your example is about novelty... porn sales just doesn't work like that. people don't pay for porn because one guy says "hey man, check out this video on my phone". branding for the phone maybe... not the clip or performer or site.

besides... are you that new to the biz? porn is an impulse purchase. thats all its ever been. do you really think someone is somewhere with friends... sees a clip, actually KNOWS where it came from, remembers where it came from... goes home and finds the site where it came from and then joins? it just won't happen.

also, i have yet to see ANYONE saying "hey man, check out this video on my IPOD" - yet everyone i know has the latest and greatest... especially in the gym where people are even watching movies while doing cardio. Porn is just not made for mobile entertainment.

Nor have I ever seen anyone get a coca cola cookie jar or a budweiser key chain, remember that instance, rush out and purchase some coke or Budweiser. It does not even relate to the product and it serves a separate purpose. Neither of those products are necessities nor made for that given market. Yet they still do, may I ask why? Neither company is no newb to the marketing business.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Nor have I ever seen anyone get a coca cola cookie jar or a budweiser key chain, remember that instance, rush out and purchase some coke or Budweiser. It does not even relate to the product and it serves a separate purpose. Neither of those products are necessities nor made for that given market. Yet they still do, may I ask why? Neither company is no newb to the marketing business.

huh? and that relates to jack off material how? or am i missing something and you are suggesting with your Coke/Budweiser example that a sensible plan is a mobile porn marketing campaign that rivals the GDP of all of South America combined to sell memberships to teenlesbians.com?

there is a big difference between 100 million dollar marketing campaigns of huge multi national companies that have been around for over a century and a tiny company trying to make money on mobile porn. I am very surprised that anyone in this business that understands their business actually thinks that mobile porn is anything other than a novelty.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

huh? and that relates to jack off material how? or am i missing something and you are suggesting with your Coke/Budweiser example that a sensible plan is a mobile porn marketing campaign that rivals the GDP of all of South America combined to sell memberships to teenlesbians.com?

there is a big difference between 100 million dollar marketing campaigns of huge multi national companies that have been around for over a century and a tiny company trying to make money on mobile porn. I am very surprised that anyone in this business that understands their business actually thinks that mobile porn is anything other than a novelty.

There is a good chance that it very well is a novelty, there is also a chance that it is not.

As for my refferences, neither company was big, national, nor spent millions when it turned its eyes to all forms of branding. When coca cola started there were countless soda fountains and other manufactures out there. When bud started offering items to its customers, beer was regional, served with in days of making it, towns had their own beer makers or people made their own or at very least brought buckets to the local bars. Yet both dreamed of something bigger and took a chance. Well before they had multi million dollar ad campaigns.

Then again a many porn producers scoffed at the idea of VHS. What the fuck I know.

[Shaze]

sorry to say i think your going the wrong way...instead of porn moving to the small screens i believe it's headed the other way to the bigger screen on the TV, live streaming porn from an internet connection to the TV is the wave of the future...

live cam networks on the TV, live studios on the TV, etc....

i personally would never watch porn on a small phone screen or IPOD when I can get high definition huge images on better computer screens and the television....

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Shaze

sorry to say i think your going the wrong way...instead of porn moving to the small screens i believe it's headed the other way to the bigger screen on the TV, live streaming porn from an internet connection to the TV is the wave of the future...

live cam networks on the TV, live studios on the TV, etc....

i personally would never watch porn on a small phone screen or IPOD when I can get high definition huge images on better computer screens and the television....

You mean like movie screens, live peep shows, and all of that which was popular in the past? Just at home this time.

Not everyone is ignoring hi def either, just covering additional outlets.

[Solid Bob]

Porn will be HUGE on mobile devices. Too bad 99% of it will be shit that was looted somewhere and passed around by kiddies in school.

[babymaker]

well i will put it this way lol i sold free-ipodporn.com for 25 bux while it was #1 yahoo for free ipod porn

i really don't think that people who would jack off to a cell fone or ipod in the office or car or on a bus are what one would term "gainfully employed" lol or have valid credit cards most i bet would be termed homeless crack heads :D

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think it will "be the future" when mobile phone monitors are 17"

otherwise, i would say it is NEVER gonna live up to the hype. a 2" screen showing a 3" girl getting fucked by a 2mm dick isn't gonna get the job done. its a novelty.

i can see a huge future for mobile phones and video in terms of video phone calls and even video chat.. but not "porn"

You're wrong. Dead wrong.

I have flat fee internet on my mobile phone, and I jack it to mobile porn quite regularly. The small screen is not perfect, of course, but you have the screen within 10 inches of your face, and combined with close-ups, that provides a pretty good view, comparable to a 6 or 7 inch screen at "normal" range, or a typical video on youtube.

Since one is not always near a computer or television, but almost always near a mobile phone, it's a good substitute in case one has nothing else available at the moment. And I am quite sure many people agree with this, since I know of WAP sites with counters showing hundreds of thousands of hits.

Just search for something like "free porn" on google mobile web, and you'll get a shitload of sites which are already doing this, and getting hits. Most, at present, offer stolen content though, so it's about time that real webmasters start making something money off of this.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by babymaker

i really don't think that people who would jack off to a cell fone or ipod in the office or car or on a bus are what one would term "gainfully employed" lol or have valid credit cards most i bet would be termed homeless crack heads :D

Never can be to sure. When I was running a live cam studio, a good number of the clients would be viewing and paying while at work. With more and more companies monitoring work PC behavior on its employees, well what other option would they have for some inspirational jerk material?
And yes most would just view and talk while at work then proceed to the restroom to relieve the pen of ink on company time.

[J$tyle$]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

huh? and that relates to jack off material how? or am i missing something and you are suggesting with your Coke/Budweiser example that a sensible plan is a mobile porn marketing campaign that rivals the GDP of all of South America combined to sell memberships to teenlesbians.com?

there is a big difference between 100 million dollar marketing campaigns of huge multi national companies that have been around for over a century and a tiny company trying to make money on mobile porn. I am very surprised that anyone in this business that understands their business actually thinks that mobile porn is anything other than a novelty.

You can downplay it and call it a novelty all you want BUT cell users are SPENDING, my friend

I just attended a mainstream mobile show here in L.A. this week. IT WAS SUCH AN EYEOPENER ... the USA is SO far behind the rest of the world it's laughable ... but i digress ...

Adult was barely a blip on these guys radar HOWEVER it has already grown into a multi billion $$$+ industry in EU, Asia, Scandinavia (sp?) and around the world.

Say what you will, people are PAYING for it - and will continue to do so as more and more content becomes avalaible!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by babymaker

well i will put it this way lol i sold free-ipodporn.com for 25 bux while it was #1 yahoo for free ipod porn

i really don't think that people who would jack off to a cell fone or ipod in the office or car or on a bus are what one would term "gainfully employed" lol or have valid credit cards most i bet would be termed homeless crack heads :D

You're thinking about the wrong kind of places. Consider, for example, someone who's in bed, and just takes a quick look at his email and the news on his phone before sleeping.

If he knows he can also check out some naked babes, he might be tempted to do just that, even though he doesn't want to leave the bed and go to the computer in his home office or living room for a premeditated jack session.

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Never can be to sure. When I was running a live cam studio, a good number of the clients would be viewing and paying while at work. With more and more companies monitoring work PC behavior on its employees, well what other option would they have for some inspirational jerk material?
And yes most would just view and talk while at work then proceed to the restroom to relieve the pen of ink on company time.

LOL..thats some messed up people if they would actually go to the workplace restroom and jerk-off..

i think only a very very small percentage of the porn viewing community would actually jerk off at work...and those are the really messed up ones in the head

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You're thinking about the wrong kind of places. Consider, for example, someone who's in bed, and just takes a quick look at his email and the news on his phone before sleeping.

If he knows he can also check out some naked babes, he might be tempted to do just that, even though he doesn't want to leave the bed and go to the computer in his home office or living room for a premeditated jack session.

if i'm to tired to get out of bed to turn on the tv or computer to look at porn then i'm probably to tired to jack off to it also...

[Libertine]

Oh, another point of interest: many people are actually paying up to $2 for a single photo on their mobile phones, and up to $5 for a shitty 30 second video. Just consider the cost/benefit ratio there for a moment...

[babymaker]

i do think it maybe would be good for live cams a bunch of mortgage brokers getting drunk at a bar would pay 2 -5 bux a minute to watch a hot chick together and say bro shes hot lol :D


is lars around lol get it set up

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Shaze

LOL..thats some messed up people if they would actually go to the workplace restroom and jerk-off..

i think only a very very small percentage of the porn viewing community would actually jerk off at work...and those are the really messed up ones in the head

You must never under estimate the number of "messed up" people in the world. It was a very large chunk of regular viewers, and most were spending an assload per week.

Deal with live cams for a bit and you get a true taste of human nature, sexuality, and perversion.

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

You must never under estimate the number of "messed up" people in the world. It was a very large chunk of regular viewers, and most were spending an assload per week.

Deal with live cams for a bit and you get a true taste of human nature, sexuality, and perversion.

you got a point there...the ones that would actually do that are addicted to porn and would spend a load of money on it to get their fix of porn...probably spend alot more than the average porn surfer.....

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Shaze

you got a point there...the ones that would actually do that are addicted to porn and would spend a load of money on it to get their fix of porn...probably spend alot more than the average porn surfer.....

4.99 a minute, average show length 20 minutes, 3-5 times a week.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Shaze

if i'm to tired to get out of bed to turn on the tv or computer to look at porn then i'm probably to tired to jack off to it also...

The person may not be planning on jacking off, just on looking a bit. Or he may have kids, and a computer that is in the living room. Or he may prefer to watch porn while lying in bed, instead of sitting behind the computer. Or he may be visiting a friend's house. Or... (etc.).

The point is, there is a market, even though it is, at present, smaller than the market for normal online porn. Those who ignore the market may well miss the next big thing.

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

4.99 a minute, average show length 20 minutes, 3-5 times a week.

i was talking about mobile porn...

those sound like Streamray network....

i had a few referred customers that would spend $300-400 a day, 2-3 times a week...

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Shaze

i was talking about mobile porn...

those sound like Streamray network....

i had a few referred customers that would spend $300-400 a day, 2-3 times a week...

No they were just willing to pay that. And it was also ussually choppy video due to piss poor connections and software.

I am just saying there is almost always a market to tap into that will desire a product and pay a premium to have it in the way the client desires.

[JOKER]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

but again, your example is about novelty... porn sales just doesn't work like that. people don't pay for porn because one guy says "hey man, check out this video on my phone". branding for the phone maybe... not the clip or performer or site.

besides... are you that new to the biz? porn is an impulse purchase. thats all its ever been. do you really think someone is somewhere with friends... sees a clip, actually KNOWS where it came from, remembers where it came from... goes home and finds the site where it came from and then joins? it just won't happen.

also, i have yet to see ANYONE saying "hey man, check out this video on my IPOD" - yet everyone i know has the latest and greatest... especially in the gym where people are even watching movies while doing cardio. Porn is just not made for mobile entertainment.

Look, I'm not putting a gun to your head to earn and brand with new methods and in new markets.

Maybe think a minute about the time the EU / Germany is ahead in the mobile market and mobile marketing compared to the US of A and then call me a newb again

Do I care if you can't get your head around the fact that a new stage of entertain-mobility and marketing is just in it's baby-shoes and is just waiting to be conquered by the right people that can see the potential?
Hell no.

cheers

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Shaze

i was talking about mobile porn...

those sound like Streamray network....

i had a few referred customers that would spend $300-400 a day, 2-3 times a week...

Mobile broadband internet already exists, and is bound to become more popular than it is right now. So, mobile webcam sites are a distinct possibility.

[Solid Bob]

It will sell. Wallpapers go for $5 so porn will definately. The only thing that is going to ruin the market is the typical program owner jumping in with their $20 per month unlimited mobile porn! The market will be minimized by the very people trying to capatilize on it.

[Solid Bob]

Pleasurepays you are dead wrong on this one. You will see in due time.

[bhutocracy]

Whilst i do agree it'll be a hard slog and the days might just be a bit early to make any real amount of cash, I think everyone downplaying the ability to jerk off to a mobile is being a little short sighted.... or perhaps forgetting for a second the rampant ability to blow a load over the smallest erotic stimuli males have. If you don't think some guys will take a phone into the toilet to jerk off at work you have a pretty naive view of sexual will.
Personally one of the first things i'll be doing when i get the 2gb chip for my psp will be formatting some porn for it... will be good for a morning spank while the girl is making me breakfast and without the shit a pile of hustlers under the bed would cause if found (ie a lack of aforementioned breakfast ;))

[JOKER]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Mobile broadband internet already exists, and is bound to become more popular than it is right now. So, mobile webcam sites are a distinct possibility.

One of many.

UMTS in FDD-mode gives you a downstream speed of 384 kbit/s
UMTS in TDD-mode gives you a downstream speed of almost 2 Mbit/s (1920 kbit/s to be exact) - LOTS of potential for Cams, mVOD you name it.

Plus let's not forget the fact that my latest cellphone (Nokia E70) already has Wifi with up to 54 Mbit/s included and there are many hot-spots around to use, plus the range of them is increasing steadily and FAST.

I'm not quite sure how someone can NOT see the potential of this market

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

Look, I'm not putting a gun to your head to earn and brand with new methods and in new markets.

Maybe think a minute about the time the EU / Germany is ahead in the mobile market and mobile marketing compared to the US of A and then call me a newb again

Do I care if you can't get your head around the fact that a new stage of entertain-mobility and marketing is just in it's baby-shoes and is just waiting to be conquered by the right people that can see the potential?
Hell no.

cheers

as even the good mr J$tyles knows, I have spent most of the last 10 years in europe and traveling. maybe you don't know that the USA has ALWAYS been many years behind in mobile technology and even today is still 3-4-5 years behind. there were mobile phones on a large scale way before there was in the US. now that i think about it, I remember german friends telling me how much money they were making from ringtones in 1998. even today, its only been big for a couple years in the US. People here don't know what 3G is. it was only two years ago that i was trying to buy a GSM phone here and surprised to see that no one knew what i was talking about here... yet it was already the world standard. you don't see ads on tv here like you do in europe for ringtones (i have seen ONE actually) or for sms dating or sex stuff like you do in europe. here its just non existent still. The US is VERY far behind Europe.

I am aware of mobile content, what people pay for it, what the market is worth and have mainstream sites doing quite well selling mobile content. americans still don't even know what 3G is.

all of that has nothing to do with the simple and UNDENIABLE fact that porn is and always has been an impulse purchase and bought for one and one reason only. i dont think the argument that buying porn compares somehow to buying wallpapers, ringtones, carrying cases, mobile games, mobile chat clients or other carrier services holds any water at all. just my opinion.

can people sell porn via mobile phones? of course.

does it make sense for some guy who owns "stephaniesnakedsite.com" to focus time and energy and capital on trying to produce, edit and sell content via mobile phones? no. i dont think so.

it will never rival the sales you can do to a guy with a stiff dick sitting in a dark room in front of his 21" monitor and surround sound. it will never even come remotely close.

does it make sense for Lars or someone huge to look into it? sure.

its importance and potential impact will always be overstated... the idea of mobile porn is to me like the predictions of a paperless office. its a neat idea to some. its appealing to people in this biz to imagine a new, multibillion dollar market waiting to be tapped but its been hyped for years now and people today are still saying "hey, look... a naked girl on my phone"

[Martin]

Porn on mobile devices was bound to happen. You're silly not to see it.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by JOKER | JOKEREMPIRE Inc.

I'm not quite sure how someone can NOT see the potential of this market

Well quite easily.. the mobile market thus far hasn't lived anywhere near to expectations.. I don't think anyone's really doubting it will be a decent area in 5-10 years especially with phones more like widescreen PDA's ... i mean mobile cam girl stuff should be really cracking by then.. but it's not the sort of thing most people have the experience and resources to pull off... most people couldn't pull off a normal webcam studio without the added delivery costs of phone networks. Plus there would have to be massive traditional media buys to advertise. Adult phone wallpapers sell but as part of a diversified mix to spread the risk.
On the other hand offering podcast/mobile porn alternatives as a branding exercise isn't a bad idea in the slightest even just for retention of the individual rather than sharing with buddies.. doesn't hurt that much to offer it.. bandwidth is neglible.. just another option in a bulk export to the paysite formats..

[onlymovies]

Originally Posted by RayVega

I'm putting together a mobile TGP too ...

already been done...

[quantum-x]

The situation:
Advertisments for $5 pictures in magazines for mobiles sell well.

While the above is true, consider the circumstances. For someone who's only way of getting a nude girl is via the phone - then they will purchase.

For someone sitting at a computer, why the fuck would they pay $5 for a tiny movie? The thing is - many places offer free conversions and downloads, and most new phones come with bluetooth, USB, etc.

It's a tough market - look back one year - xobile - ohmobile - and even mine, mobilepainter. The amount of money invested in those projects was significant - the returns - less than.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by quantum-x

The situation:
Advertisments for $5 pictures in magazines for mobiles sell well.

While the above is true, consider the circumstances. For someone who's only way of getting a nude girl is via the phone - then they will purchase.

For someone sitting at a computer, why the fuck would they pay $5 for a tiny movie? The thing is - many places offer free conversions and downloads, and most new phones come with bluetooth, USB, etc.

It's a tough market - look back one year - xobile - ohmobile - and even mine, mobilepainter. The amount of money invested in those projects was significant - the returns - less than.

yep... traditional media will be where it's at, late night tv ads for mobile cam girls or in the back of the skin mags.

One year ago US ringtone adwords traffic managed less than 1c per unique...

[RayVega]

Originally Posted by onlymovies

already been done...

yes, i never said i was the first, i just think it's important.

On this topic I see a lot of heated debate about whether or not people will pay for porn on a phone. My reasons for adding those formats to my content are not to sell clips or a subscription to a "mobile" site at all. Although it may very well evolve that way, look what happened with ringtones and wallpaper, they said the same thing, the fact is that it IS a novelty right now...but novelties DRIVE markets.

Bottom line is that if guys are shooting each other clips of porn on their phones as a novelty to show them this "hot chick" or unbelievable act...where do you think they will go when they get in front of their computer and want to see the rest of that girl or act, or just want to see that same clip on a bigger screen?

They are going to go to the site the clip came from...AND THAT DRIVES SALES. As was said earlier companies like Budweiser don't make a fortune selling Budweiser keychains, they sell BEER by putting out Budweiser keychains. And that's exactly my reason for putting my stuff in mobile format. Marketing 101.

And again, Imo the market right now is for the free trial stuff, to be on people's phones, to drive them to the website. The arguement that some have made about jerking off on a 1 inch screen or paying for a grainy clip are irrelevant right now imo. What IS relevant is delivery of your sample content to as many people as possible so they subscribe to your site. Distribution, Distribution, Distribution.

maybe in a year or two we will catch up to Europe and then we'll see if $2 a clip cuts it. for now it's a marketing technique.

[RayVega]

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