Scientists prove AL GORE movie a lie - GoFuckYourself.com

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:04 AM

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The main point of the movie is that, unless we do something very serious, very soon about carbon dioxide emissions, much of Greenland?s 630,000 cubic miles of ice is going to fall into the ocean, raising sea levels over twenty feet by the year 2100. Where?s the scientific support for this claim? Certainly not in the recent Policymaker?s Summary from the United Nations? much anticipated compendium on climate change. Under the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change?s medium-range emission scenario for greenhouse gases, a rise in sea level of between 8 and 17 inches is predicted by 2100. Gore?s film exaggerates the rise by about 2,000 percent.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...I5MGEwZTFhM2E=

tony286 · 02-25-2007, 10:05 AM

The pentagon is a lie also?

Tiffany Preston · 02-25-2007, 10:06 AM

I believe in Al gore movie, and trust me he would be a better president for united state

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:08 AM

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I believe in Al gore movie, and trust me he would be a better president for united state

Which "united state" would that be? California?
Stick to fucking on camera ditz leave the intellectual pursuits to those with a brain.

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

The pentagon is a lie also?

What does the pentagon have to do with the man-made global warming myth?

Angelo22 · 02-25-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Which united state would that be? California?
Stick to fucking on camera ditz leave the intellectual pursuits to those with a brain.

Just as fansigns are for those who are affiliates for her,
So are these discussions.... she express her thought, but no one will mind her i suppose

To stay on topic, i dont think al gore would do it.... there should be anarchy

CyberHustler · 02-25-2007, 10:22 AM

Scientists allege White House pressure

By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. scientists felt pressured to tailor their writings on global warming to fit the Bush administration's skepticism, in some cases at the behest of an ex-oil industry lobbyist, a congressional committee heard on Tuesday.

"Our investigations found high-quality science struggling to get out," Francesca Grifo of the watchdog group Union of Concerned Scientists told members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

A survey by the group found that 150 climate scientists personally experienced political interference in the past five years, for a total of at least 435 incidents.

Nearly half of all respondents perceived or personally experienced pressure to eliminate the words 'climate change,' 'global warming' or other similar terms from a variety of communications," Grifo said.

Rick Piltz, a former U.S. government scientist who said he resigned in 2005 after pressure to soft-pedal findings on global warming, told the committee in prepared testimony that former White House official Phil Cooney took an active role in casting doubt on the consequences of global climate change.

Cooney, who was a lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute before becoming chief of staff at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, resigned in 2005 to work for oil giant ExxonMobil.

Documents on global climate change required Cooney's review and approval, Piltz said.

"His edits of program reports, which had been drafted and approved by career science program managers, had the cumulative effect of adding an enhanced sense of scientific uncertainty about global warming and minimizing its likely consequences," Piltz said.

The hearing was one of two on Tuesday spotlighting global climate change; a Senate forum featured testimony from members of that chamber, including presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois among Democrats and Republican John McCain of Arizona.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ries-newsOne-3

CyberHustler · 02-25-2007, 10:28 AM

VIDEO: How The Bush Administration Muzzles The Government?s Top Global Warming Scientist

http://images1.americanprogress.org/...es.320.240.mov

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HANSEN: In my more than three decades in the government, I?ve never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public.

PELLEY: Restrictions like this email that Hansen?s Institute received from NASA in 2004: ??there?s a new review process? The White House [is] now reviewing all climate related press releases.? Why the scrutiny of Hansen?s work? Well, his Goddard Institute for Space Studies is the source of respected, but sobering research on warming. It recently announced 2005 was the warmest year on record. Hansen started at NASA more than 30 years ago, and spent nearly all of that time studying the earth. How important is his work? We asked someone at the top - Ralph Cicerone, president of the nation?s leading institute of science, the National Academy of Sciences.

CICERONE: I can?t think of anybody who I would say is better than Hansen. He might argue that there?s two or three others as good, but nobody better

PELLEY: And Cicerone, who?s an atmospheric chemist, said the same thing that every leading scientist told us.

CICERONE: Climate change is really happening.

PELLEY: So what is causing the changes?

CICERONE: Well, the greenhouse gases. Carbon dioxide and methane and chloro fluoro carbons and a couple of others - which are all, the increases in their concentrations in the air are due to human activities. It?s that simple.

PELLEY: But if it is that simple, why do climate science reports look like this after they?ve been edited at the White House? With science labeled ?not sufficiently reliable.? It?s a tone of scientific uncertainty that the president set in his first months in office after he pulled out of a global treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

BUSH: We do not how much our climate could or will change in the future. We do not know how fast change will occur, or even how some of our actions could impact it.

PELLEY: That ambiguity annoyed Hansen, so he went public a year and half ago saying this about the Bush administration in a talk at the University of Iowa.

HANSEN: I find a willingness to listen only to those portions of scientific results that fit predetermined, inflexible positions. This, I believe, is a recipe for environmental disasters.

PELLEY: Ever since he said that, NASA?s been keeping an eye on Hansen. NASA let us sit down with him, but only with a NASA representative taping the interview. Other interviews have been denied.

HANSEN: And I object to the fact that I?m not able to freely communicate via the media. National Public Radio wanted to interview me, and they were told they would need to instead interview someone at NASA headquarters. And the comment was made that they didn?t want Jim Hansen going on the most liberal media in the nation. So, I don?t think that kind of decision should be made on that kind of basis. I think we should be able to communicate the science.

Linkster · 02-25-2007, 10:28 AM

Splum - Quoting an article written by a professor who gets all of his research grants from Exxon and the coal industry does not make you a very reliable source of information for a topic - of course he's gonna try to debunk Global warming - His think tank (the Marshall think tank) is the biggest contributor to congressmen that fight against global warming laws in Wash. DC

Screaming · 02-25-2007, 10:30 AM

nice green

directfiesta · 02-25-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Scientists prove AL GORE movie a lie

Scientists prove nothing, either side. They give opinions on their own perception.

Al Gore doesn't prove that global warming is this, or that ... He gives an opinion.

As for your writer :

Patrick J. Michaels is also associated with two conservative think tanks: a Visiting Scientist with the George C. Marshall Institute and a Senior Fellow in Environmental Studies with the Cato Institute.

" ...Michaels has received more than $115,000 over the last four years from coal and energy interests. World Climate Review, a quarterly he founded that routinely debunks climate concerns, was funded by Western Fuels."

next....

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:33 AM

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Splum - Quoting an article written by a professor who gets all of his research grants from Exxon and the coal industry does not make you a very reliable source of information for a topic - of course he's gonna try to debunk Global warming - His think tank (the Marshall think tank) is the biggest contributor to congressmen that fight against global warming laws in Wash. DC

Are you DENYING that the UN REPORT completely blows Al Gores claims out of the water?
Fuck you people and your anti-Bush shit plain and simple fact is AL GORE MOVIE IS SCIENCE FICTION even thousands of scientists from MANY countries debunked his movie claims.

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Scientists prove nothing, either side. They give opinions on their own perception. Al Gore doesn't prove that global warming is this, or that ... He gives an opinion.

His opinion is better than a scientists "opinion"? Surely you are not arguing that?

StuartD · 02-25-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

The pentagon is a lie also?

No, it exists.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:35 AM

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...60aa332f1f&k=0
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...59a5c7f723&k=0

I'm sure the little green men on Mars are causing the same global warming trends that we have on earth (which have been scientifically proven time and again) with all their horrible greenhouse gasses.... No wait... there's no atmosphere... It must be MANKIND'S FAULT!!

No wait, it's a conspiracy, global warming only happens on the planet earth and it's all because of man. Water vapor doesn't play a role. It's all just us. My bad.

RawAlex · 02-25-2007, 10:36 AM

Splum, UN reports are some of the most convoluted and mind numbingly misleading reports in the world. They are often written not to state fact, but rather to satisfy the member nations.

No scientist is in the position to clearly say what might happen. Gore may be using a very scary number to make a point, and the UN people may be using a very small number to protect massive greenhouse gas emitters like China and the US from having to clean up their shit.

Any scientist that predicts the future is in some way writing their own science fiction report, until such time that we get there and figure it out for real.

directfiesta · 02-25-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

His opinion is better than a scientists "opinion"? Surely you are not arguing that?

sad to see how weak your intellect is .... Read again, and repeat till comprehension arrives

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:39 AM

"Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains. "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away."

The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall, ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up Because of the scientific significance of this period of global cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year, scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be conducting a regular survey of the sun.

With the data, the project will help mankind cope with a century of falling temperatures, during which we will enter a mini ice age.

"There is no need for the Kyoto Protocol now. It does not have to come into force until at least 100 years from no w," Dr. Abdussamatov concluded. "A global freeze will come about regardless of whether or not industrialized countries put a cap on their greenhouse- gas emissions."

Ya that guy is only the pre-eminent expert in his field. He wouldn't know anything. It's all about the earth and the rest of the solar system and the sun that drives the entire process can all go fuck themselves.

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

No scientist is in the position to clearly say what might happen. Gore may be using a very scary number to make a point, and the UN people may be using a very small number to protect massive greenhouse gas emitters like China and the US from having to clean up their shit.

I completely agree with you. The only problem I have with this movie is its being shown in USA schools as fact, its being presented as a factual documentary which clearly it is not. There is no balance to this particular subject. While I am all for children learning how to protect the environment I dont think flat out LIEING to them is the answer.

Tat2Jr · 02-25-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Which "united state" would that be? California?

I wish I could wake up tomorrow and this could be true! At the very least the DEA would stop closing down our marijuana stores. Although we're gonna have to take Colorado with us, so we can keep taking their water.

Contra · 02-25-2007, 10:42 AM

OMG - Who gives a fuck either way. One side wants control and your money. The other side wants control and your money. All these fucks with there scare tactics are exaggerating the importance of the issue. What can you do about it, nothing nothing nothing.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:43 AM

It's never happened before either, right? These are the facts that our "global warming experts" like Al Gore etc try to shove under the rug, and in fact many "global warming" experts have made moves to try to have these facts struck from the record, because it makes their arguments much more weak. I'm sure industrialized society caused the mini ice age too, or rather, the global warming trend that came BEFORE that. The warming trend then was even more pronounced than it is today... But it MUST be people causing it right? Can't be any way that it's a natural process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_climate_optimum
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa.../medieval.html

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:47 AM

A global warming pretty much always preceeds a global COOLING period, I hope everyone has their parkas ready..

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...leobefore.html

Splum · 02-25-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

It's never happened before either, right? These are the facts that our "global warming experts" like Al Gore etc try to shove under the rug, and in fact many "global warming" experts have made moves to try to have these facts struck from the record, because it makes their arguments much more weak. I'm sure industrialized society caused the mini ice age too, or rather, the global warming trend that came BEFORE that. The warming trend then was even more pronounced than it is today... But it MUST be people causing it right? Can't be any way that it's a natural process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_climate_optimum
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa.../medieval.html

Some in this thread could learn a thing or two by reading your posts.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:51 AM

Pollution is still bad though Mmmmkay? Deadzones in the oceans, extinction of animals, overall crap in the world, THAT should be the reason people move to stop pollution. Not overglorified political lobbyists that don't have all the facts and try to fearmonger. Global warming is something that happened LONG before humans walked the planet, and it will be a process that continues in it's cycles long after humanity has been wiped off the surface of it (look to Mars as a clear example of this). We SHOULD be working to stop pollution because it makes the world a better place.

RawAlex · 02-25-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

I completely agree with you. The only problem I have with this movie is its being shown in USA schools as fact, its being presented as a factual documentary which clearly it is not. There is no balance to this particular subject. While I am all for children learning how to protect the environment I dont think flat out LIEING to them is the answer.

You should be more worried about muslim religious schools that teach young children that killing the infidels is the only way to make the world right. That American children might be scared into buying a prius instead of an escalade isn't on the same scale, and certainly doesn't merit this merry rant.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Some in this thread could learn a thing or two by reading your posts.

Most people are too busy with their heads up their asses to actually look into the matter. They know that reducing pollution is a good cause (AND IT IS!), but the reasoning behind it is really making things difficult the way it stands now. If people would think about the problem from the RIGHT perspective, it would be infinitely easier to come up with better and LASTING SOLUTIONS that will reduce global pollution and make the world environment safer for all who are here.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

You should be more worried about muslim religious schools that teach young children that killing the infidels is the only way to make the world right. That American children might be scared into buying a prius instead of an escalade isn't on the same scale, and certainly doesn't merit this merry rant.

They SHOULD be buying a Prius instead of an Escalade. It is the smarter thing to do on a global scale.. However, nobody should be lying to them about why, they should simply be INFORMED. It's a contributing factor to the problem, but FAR from the cause. One volcanic erruption puts more CO2 into the atmosphere in one day than man has since the beginning of the industrial revolution. We can't compete on that scale.. but we CAN make overall living a better thing. Smog is bad. Nobody should have to live with pollution and garbage.

CyberHustler · 02-25-2007, 10:55 AM

CyberHustler · 02-25-2007, 10:57 AM

Godsmack · 02-25-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...I5MGEwZTFhM2E=

So what if it's a lie..
Fact is that the world has to act..

Splum · 02-25-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

You should be more worried about muslim religious schools that teach young children that killing the infidels is the only way to make the world right. That American children might be scared into buying a prius instead of an escalade isn't on the same scale, and certainly doesn't merit this merry rant.

Oh believe me I am VERY worried about islamic extremism, I support ANY military/diplomatic/covert action to balance their extreme teachings.

Drake · 02-25-2007, 11:03 AM

The fearmongering is a great business opportunity, just like the Y2K scare was. Remembmer that? All the computers were going to shut down and we were all going to live in darkness again. Millions of people started spending billions on food, weapons, and survival books. The year 2000 came without a blip. hehe

If you haven't written a book about the impending problem of global warming which will kill millions within the next 10 years, you should. Make big bank.

Start selling scuba gear so that when we're flooded by the melting ice caps you can survive long enough to find some land to start anew. GBS (Globa Warming Swimwear) on sale now at half price.

CyberHustler · 02-25-2007, 11:04 AM

websiex · 02-25-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

They SHOULD be buying a Prius instead of an Escalade. It is the smarter thing to do on a global scale.. However, nobody should be lying to them about why, they should simply be INFORMED. It's a contributing factor to the problem, but FAR from the cause. One volcanic erruption puts more CO2 into the atmosphere in one day than man has since the beginning of the industrial revolution. We can't compete on that scale.. but we CAN make overall living a better thing. Smog is bad. Nobody should have to live with pollution and garbage.

True, even if global warming isn't as bad as some scientists say; there should be some things done to try to reduce smog.

And Splum.. whew, you should really make different thread names or something, because nothing has been proven.... seems every thread you make gets 'disproven' by the argument opposite your own.

Splum · 02-25-2007, 11:06 AM

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And Splum.. whew, you should really make different thread names or something, because nothing has been proven.... seems every thread you make gets 'disproven' by the argument opposite your own.

Excuse me? Al Gores movie WAS proven wrong by the UN report. How is that falsified? Al Gores movie claims a sea level rise of TWENTY feet by 2100 and the UN report says 7-11 inches by 2100. Bingo my point is proven.

You arent worried that the man was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, won Academy awards and about to win an Oscar for this deceitful movie? There is a thin line between perceived exaggerated truth and factual logical truth. Just ask the Bush administration.

spanky part 2 · 02-25-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...I5MGEwZTFhM2E=

Yep the national review is an unbiased paper. God you're an idiot.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 11:08 AM

I guess I shouldn't mention that less than 15,000 years ago Antarctica was a thriving, flourishing GREEN and lush continent. There are MAPS of Antarctica that were copied by pre-eminent medieval map makers such as Piri Reis that he claims to have copied from an older source that have been proven with satellite mapping techniques to be EXTREMELY ACCURATE as to what lies MILES under the ice. Obviously, people not only lived there but lived there long enough to map it all out.... But it's under miles of ice and is an inhospitible wasteland now. Such is the way of the earth and the cycles that carry it through time and space. The state of things is always changing. There have been global warming trends that have flooded coastal regions and wiped out entire societies (much archaeological research has been done on this and many aquatic archeological sites are being researched as we speak... some were flooded many many thousands of years ago at the end of the last mini ice-age). Human beings always have a need to feel like they are in control or responsible, it's very difficult for mankind NOT to have some manipulation on the world around them. But in this, even if everyone stopped driving tomorrow, even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD STOPPED POLLUTING TOMORROW, the cycle would still carry on and really nothing would change as far as where the climate is going. Global warming (AND cooling) will happen regardless of people.

Splum · 02-25-2007, 11:13 AM

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Yep the national review is an unbiased paper. God you're an idiot.

Stop while you are ahead the UN report already blows your guys claims away. Face it Al Gore is a liar.

Drake · 02-25-2007, 11:13 AM

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spanky part 2 · 02-25-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Stop while you are ahead the UN report already blows your guys claims away. Face it Al Gore is a liar.

Wait a second there bushy. I thought conservatives said that the un wasn't relevant anymore. Remember when they said there wasn't any wmd's?

Splum · 02-25-2007, 11:19 AM

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Haha SILENT RUNNING I havent seen that movie in ages.

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 11:19 AM

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Stop while you are ahead the UN report already blows your guys claims away. Face it Al Gore is a liar.

I don't know about Al Gore being a liar.. I would say not FULLY informed. He has championed a cause and is passionate about it, and his reasons are GOOD. Unfortunately he only uses half-facts and half-truths to substantiate his claims... claims that scientific experts and pre-eminent specialists the world-over have debunked on a scientific basis time and again.. Most people don't know more than what they're fed from the general press because they don't take the time to do the research. I think if more people actually looked into the heart of the matter, there could be REAL solutions found, and the entire world won't be caught off guard and unprepared when things take a turn for the colder, so to speak. Imagine the chaos when all everyone has been hearing has been "global warming this global warming that" and in the next century temperatures plummet, there's mass famine and starvation, people dying the world over because they aren't prepared for what is REALLY coming in the future. They could have taken all those resources they are trying to use to stop global warming, and used them to take advantage of a time of good harvests and warm weather to stockpile for the future. That's no fear-mongering, it's fact, and many countries are taking THIS much more seriously than we are (and should be).

Dvae · 02-25-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

I wish I could wake up tomorrow and this could be true! At the very least the DEA would stop closing down our marijuana stores. Although we're gonna have to take Colorado with us, so we can keep taking their water.

Splum · 02-25-2007, 11:27 AM

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I don't know about Al Gore being a liar.. I would say not FULLY informed. He has championed a cause and is passionate about it, and his reasons are GOOD. Unfortunately he only uses half-facts and half-truths to substantiate his claims...

I would agree with some of that but I think his motives are a bit more sinister, I just think you give him too much credit. The "issue" is a noble one, the "presentation" is disingenuous.

Personally I find Al Gore as hypocritical and deceitful as any US politician yet in many mass media circles he is championed, that is disturbing.

spanky part 2 · 02-25-2007, 11:35 AM

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I would agree with some of that but I think his motives are a bit more sinister, I just think you give him too much credit. The "issue" is a noble one, the "presentation" is disingenuous.

Personally I find Al Gore as hypocritical and deceitful as any US politician yet in many mass media circles he is championed, that is disturbing.

I just love how all you keyboard scientists know more than a man who has spent the majority of his adult life meeting with top scientists and studying global warming. I'm sure splum is right, because he has studied the scientific facts on conservative think tank websites.

pocketkangaroo · 02-25-2007, 11:38 AM

Wait, a right wing nutjob publication says global warming is all a lie. Guess what? These people also don't believe in dinosaurs (I'm not kidding, they really don't!).

HizAzPhun · 02-25-2007, 11:40 AM

If you voted for Bush you HATE AMERICA.

That's what this thread is really about, right? The blood of innocents?

LadyMischief · 02-25-2007, 11:41 AM

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Yep the national review is an unbiased paper. God you're an idiot.

You're quick to call him an idiot, but I make posts with facts and links why aren't you calling me an idiot too? :P

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LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	"Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains. "Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat away." The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall, ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up Because of the scientific significance of this period of global cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at mid-century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority space-experiment status on the Russian portion of the International Space Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year, scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be conducting a regular survey of the sun. With the data, the project will help mankind cope with a century of falling temperatures, during which we will enter a mini ice age. "There is no need for the Kyoto Protocol now. It does not have to come into force until at least 100 years from no w," Dr. Abdussamatov concluded. "A global freeze will come about regardless of whether or not industrialized countries put a cap on their greenhouse- gas emissions." Ya that guy is only the pre-eminent expert in his field. He wouldn't know anything. It's all about the earth and the rest of the solar system and the sun that drives the entire process can all go fuck themselves. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

02-25-2007, 10:05 AM	#2
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	The pentagon is a lie also?

02-25-2007, 10:22 AM	#7
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,041	Scientists allege White House pressure By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. scientists felt pressured to tailor their writings on global warming to fit the Bush administration's skepticism, in some cases at the behest of an ex-oil industry lobbyist, a congressional committee heard on Tuesday. "Our investigations found high-quality science struggling to get out," Francesca Grifo of the watchdog group Union of Concerned Scientists told members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. A survey by the group found that 150 climate scientists personally experienced political interference in the past five years, for a total of at least 435 incidents. Nearly half of all respondents perceived or personally experienced pressure to eliminate the words 'climate change,' 'global warming' or other similar terms from a variety of communications," Grifo said. Rick Piltz, a former U.S. government scientist who said he resigned in 2005 after pressure to soft-pedal findings on global warming, told the committee in prepared testimony that former White House official Phil Cooney took an active role in casting doubt on the consequences of global climate change. Cooney, who was a lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute before becoming chief of staff at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, resigned in 2005 to work for oil giant ExxonMobil. Documents on global climate change required Cooney's review and approval, Piltz said. "His edits of program reports, which had been drafted and approved by career science program managers, had the cumulative effect of adding an enhanced sense of scientific uncertainty about global warming and minimizing its likely consequences," Piltz said. The hearing was one of two on Tuesday spotlighting global climate change; a Senate forum featured testimony from members of that chamber, including presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois among Democrats and Republican John McCain of Arizona. http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ries-newsOne-3

02-25-2007, 10:36 AM	#16
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Splum, UN reports are some of the most convoluted and mind numbingly misleading reports in the world. They are often written not to state fact, but rather to satisfy the member nations. No scientist is in the position to clearly say what might happen. Gore may be using a very scary number to make a point, and the UN people may be using a very small number to protect massive greenhouse gas emitters like China and the US from having to clean up their shit. Any scientist that predicts the future is in some way writing their own science fiction report, until such time that we get there and figure it out for real.

02-25-2007, 10:42 AM	#21
Contra Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 437	OMG - Who gives a fuck either way. One side wants control and your money. The other side wants control and your money. All these fucks with there scare tactics are exaggerating the importance of the issue. What can you do about it, nothing nothing nothing.

02-25-2007, 10:43 AM	#22
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	It's never happened before either, right? These are the facts that our "global warming experts" like Al Gore etc try to shove under the rug, and in fact many "global warming" experts have made moves to try to have these facts struck from the record, because it makes their arguments much more weak. I'm sure industrialized society caused the mini ice age too, or rather, the global warming trend that came BEFORE that. The warming trend then was even more pronounced than it is today... But it MUST be people causing it right? Can't be any way that it's a natural process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_climate_optimum http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa.../medieval.html __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

02-25-2007, 10:47 AM	#23
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	A global warming pretty much always preceeds a global COOLING period, I hope everyone has their parkas ready.. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...leobefore.html __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

02-25-2007, 10:51 AM	#25
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Pollution is still bad though Mmmmkay? Deadzones in the oceans, extinction of animals, overall crap in the world, THAT should be the reason people move to stop pollution. Not overglorified political lobbyists that don't have all the facts and try to fearmonger. Global warming is something that happened LONG before humans walked the planet, and it will be a process that continues in it's cycles long after humanity has been wiped off the surface of it (look to Mars as a clear example of this). We SHOULD be working to stop pollution because it makes the world a better place. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

02-25-2007, 10:55 AM	#29
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02-25-2007, 10:57 AM	#30
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02-25-2007, 11:03 AM	#33
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	The fearmongering is a great business opportunity, just like the Y2K scare was. Remembmer that? All the computers were going to shut down and we were all going to live in darkness again. Millions of people started spending billions on food, weapons, and survival books. The year 2000 came without a blip. hehe If you haven't written a book about the impending problem of global warming which will kill millions within the next 10 years, you should. Make big bank. Start selling scuba gear so that when we're flooded by the melting ice caps you can survive long enough to find some land to start anew. GBS (Globa Warming Swimwear) on sale now at half price. Last edited by Drake; 02-25-2007 at 11:04 AM..

02-25-2007, 11:04 AM	#34
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02-25-2007, 11:08 AM	#38
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	I guess I shouldn't mention that less than 15,000 years ago Antarctica was a thriving, flourishing GREEN and lush continent. There are MAPS of Antarctica that were copied by pre-eminent medieval map makers such as Piri Reis that he claims to have copied from an older source that have been proven with satellite mapping techniques to be EXTREMELY ACCURATE as to what lies MILES under the ice. Obviously, people not only lived there but lived there long enough to map it all out.... But it's under miles of ice and is an inhospitible wasteland now. Such is the way of the earth and the cycles that carry it through time and space. The state of things is always changing. There have been global warming trends that have flooded coastal regions and wiped out entire societies (much archaeological research has been done on this and many aquatic archeological sites are being researched as we speak... some were flooded many many thousands of years ago at the end of the last mini ice-age). Human beings always have a need to feel like they are in control or responsible, it's very difficult for mankind NOT to have some manipulation on the world around them. But in this, even if everyone stopped driving tomorrow, even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD STOPPED POLLUTING TOMORROW, the cycle would still carry on and really nothing would change as far as where the climate is going. Global warming (AND cooling) will happen regardless of people. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

02-25-2007, 11:15 AM	#41
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02-25-2007, 11:38 AM	#48
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Wait, a right wing nutjob publication says global warming is all a lie. Guess what? These people also don't believe in dinosaurs (I'm not kidding, they really don't!).

02-25-2007, 11:40 AM	#49
HizAzPhun Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vachinatown Posts: 470	If you voted for Bush you HATE AMERICA. That's what this thread is really about, right? The blood of innocents? __________________ see sig.