SEO: different class c IP's, but same DNS

[nico-t]

Do SE's also look at if sites linking to eachother got the same nameserver even if the sites are on different class c IP's?

[baddog]

Not yet, but it is thought that this will be the next step. That is why we use a different NS for every C, just staying ahead of the game.

[Jdoughs]

You don't even have to go to that extent unless you are a sloppy linker or intend on doing lots of crosslinking within your IP ranges.

Your IP has about as much importance as your meta tags, or your internal links, your domain age, or your content, etc. Its just one part of many in the algorythym. While you need to pay attention to it, its less important then most people think. And far less important then alot of hosts or "experts" will lead you to beleive.

Its about the whole package and the web surrounding the page. There is thousands of sites out there that prove that several pages can rank on the same IP with differant search terms for diferant pages. Blogspot, thumblogger, youtube, facebook are many examples of sites that do so.

There is way more important things to learn and worry about then what classes your IP's are on, and where the nameservers point. A fresh site with a proper SEO strategy that is built on a IP that 1000 other sites are also on will still rank in the search engines. As long as it isnt so heavily crosslinked from the same nest of sites that its blatently obvious that its spam.

In my experience, IP only becomes a ranking factor as a check. You could say it "checks" the IP against internal and external links, if it reaches a certain threshold then it could be deamed as "the same nest" and spam.

[Kick Ass Chat]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

You don't even have to go to that extent unless you are a sloppy linker or intend on doing lots of crosslinking within your IP ranges.

Your IP has about as much importance as your meta tags, or your internal links, your domain age, or your content, etc. Its just one part of many in the algorythym. While you need to pay attention to it, its less important then most people think. And far less important then alot of hosts or "experts" will lead you to beleive.

Its about the whole package and the web surrounding the page. There is thousands of sites out there that prove that several pages can rank on the same IP with differant search terms for diferant pages. Blogspot, thumblogger, youtube, facebook are many examples of sites that do so.

There is way more important things to learn and worry about then what classes your IP's are on, and where the nameservers point. A fresh site with a proper SEO strategy that is built on a IP that 1000 other sites are also on will still rank in the search engines. As long as it isnt so heavily crosslinked from the same nest of sites that its blatently obvious that its spam.

In my experience, IP only becomes a ranking factor as a check. You could say it "checks" the IP against internal and external links, if it reaches a certain threshold then it could be deamed as "the same nest" and spam.

You sir are correct..

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

You don't even have to go to that extent unless you are a sloppy linker or intend on doing lots of crosslinking within your IP ranges.

Your IP has about as much importance as your meta tags, or your internal links, your domain age, or your content, etc. Its just one part of many in the algorythym. While you need to pay attention to it, its less important then most people think. And far less important then alot of hosts or "experts" will lead you to beleive.

Its about the whole package and the web surrounding the page. There is thousands of sites out there that prove that several pages can rank on the same IP with differant search terms for diferant pages. Blogspot, thumblogger, youtube, facebook are many examples of sites that do so.

There is way more important things to learn and worry about then what classes your IP's are on, and where the nameservers point. A fresh site with a proper SEO strategy that is built on a IP that 1000 other sites are also on will still rank in the search engines. As long as it isnt so heavily crosslinked from the same nest of sites that its blatently obvious that its spam.

In my experience, IP only becomes a ranking factor as a check. You could say it "checks" the IP against internal and external links, if it reaches a certain threshold then it could be deamed as "the same nest" and spam.

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.?

[beemk]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

You don't even have to go to that extent unless you are a sloppy linker or intend on doing lots of crosslinking within your IP ranges.

Your IP has about as much importance as your meta tags, or your internal links, your domain age, or your content, etc. Its just one part of many in the algorythym. While you need to pay attention to it, its less important then most people think. And far less important then alot of hosts or "experts" will lead you to beleive.

Its about the whole package and the web surrounding the page. There is thousands of sites out there that prove that several pages can rank on the same IP with differant search terms for diferant pages. Blogspot, thumblogger, youtube, facebook are many examples of sites that do so.

There is way more important things to learn and worry about then what classes your IP's are on, and where the nameservers point. A fresh site with a proper SEO strategy that is built on a IP that 1000 other sites are also on will still rank in the search engines. As long as it isnt so heavily crosslinked from the same nest of sites that its blatently obvious that its spam.

In my experience, IP only becomes a ranking factor as a check. You could say it "checks" the IP against internal and external links, if it reaches a certain threshold then it could be deamed as "the same nest" and spam.

guy with lots of pages ranked for high keywords = unbiased opinion

Originally Posted by baddog

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.?

guy who sells seo hosting = biased opinon



gee, now who are we to believe?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.?

[beemk]

[beta-tester]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

You don't even have to go to that extent unless you are a sloppy linker or intend on doing lots of crosslinking within your IP ranges.

Your IP has about as much importance as your meta tags, or your internal links, your domain age, or your content, etc. Its just one part of many in the algorythym. While you need to pay attention to it, its less important then most people think. And far less important then alot of hosts or "experts" will lead you to beleive.

Its about the whole package and the web surrounding the page. There is thousands of sites out there that prove that several pages can rank on the same IP with differant search terms for diferant pages. Blogspot, thumblogger, youtube, facebook are many examples of sites that do so.

There is way more important things to learn and worry about then what classes your IP's are on, and where the nameservers point. A fresh site with a proper SEO strategy that is built on a IP that 1000 other sites are also on will still rank in the search engines. As long as it isnt so heavily crosslinked from the same nest of sites that its blatently obvious that its spam.

In my experience, IP only becomes a ranking factor as a check. You could say it "checks" the IP against internal and external links, if it reaches a certain threshold then it could be deamed as "the same nest" and spam.

Couldn't agree more. Especially when it comes to 'worrying' whether the sites should be on same ip or not!

PEOPLE, will you ever REALIZE that all that matters in the game is fucking quality and options given to surfer to choose from! If you have a site on an ip that is shared with couple other quality sites you WILL GET ZERO (proven!!) rankings change, even if you move it to different host with different DNS! Don't be fooled by all those "SEO Experts" that offer their services just to cash on ignorance! (nobody is called in this thread particularly, just general advice)

As long as you do not do sneaky stuff and have pure quality that attracts your surfers, the least thing you have to worry about is your ip and its dns! Get that already!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by beemk

guy with lots of pages ranked for high keywords = unbiased opinion



guy who sells seo hosting = biased opinon



gee, now who are we to believe?

Did not know Bruce Clay sold hosting. http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archiv...is_better.html

[Jai]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.?

hhaha bs

[qxm]

shit this is a good thread ..... nice read!

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.?

Got a link to this? I find this somewhat hard to believe.
WG

[Chio]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Got a link to this? I find this somewhat hard to believe.
WG

Very hard to believe. Do your own test. I did and the results speak for themselves. It makes no difference.

PS what were the terms used in this "experiment"? Company names like Microsoft?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Got a link to this? I find this somewhat hard to believe.
WG

http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archiv...is_better.html

[beemk]

Originally Posted by baddog

Did not know Bruce Clay sold hosting. http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archiv...is_better.html

i didnt see bruce clay posting on gfy.

[Chio]

Originally Posted by beemk

i didnt see bruce clay posting on gfy.

Maybe Lisa does?

[qxm]

so we conclude that dedicated IPs on different C classes are worth shit? ......... there goes my investment ......... LOL

[SpeakEasy]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Got a link to this? I find this somewhat hard to believe.
WG

You are correct WG it is hard to believe because it is 100% total Bull. Dedicated ip's or not doesnt mean shit in ranking and different c classes means even less than shit....

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by baddog

http://www.bruceclay.com/blog/archiv...is_better.html

Did Bruce Clay ever post the keyword test he did? Even though he may have posted that comment, I really don't buy it. I'd rather see Bruce publish the list of keywords and sites he did the test on.
WG

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Did Bruce Clay ever post the keyword test he did? Even though he may have posted that comment, I really don't buy it. I'd rather see Bruce publish the list of keywords and sites he did the test on.
WG

count me in as well.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Did Bruce Clay ever post the keyword test he did? Even though he may have posted that comment, I really don't buy it. I'd rather see Bruce publish the list of keywords and sites he did the test on.
WG

I initially read it elsewhere on his site, and no, I do not recall him telling anyone the keywords or URL of the site. I only know that his eyes lit up when I told him all our IP's were dedicated.

Take it for what you will.

[V_RocKs]

If your site is on the same IP as another site that is trying for the same keywords, you are fucked if the other site is older. Read the patent.

[mryellow]

In Australia they won't even give ISPs IPs for hosting. You have to host all sites
namebased off the one IP. Due to the US having the lions share of IPs, they rigged it from
the start.

I do however believe IPs play a role. Though you won't really see this unless you're trying
to ghost 50,000 new pages a day.

Like it's said above, buy a good domain, put good content/text on it and you're done.

It's GOOGLEs job to list quality near the top. They need to do this to keep their surfers.
No matter what you do, if it's quality then it's googles job to give it a #1.

Been trying to explain this to a guy with 200 different FTP logins at some stupid webhost
that sets them all up with different DNS. The sites are all unique and worthy of high ranks
regardless of where they're hosted, but still people believe these so called SEO guru's.

-Ben

[baddog]

Have you ever heard of the host crowding penalty? You think that is an urban legend or something?

[qxm]

I think that having sites in different IPs and C-classes works quite nice for interlinking.......I saw in a mainstream board a guy selling links from his blog network (300+ sites) and all of the blogs have dupe content yet several of them have PR5-6 rank, this is not a legend I saw the list of sites, checked the content and PR by myself.

Btw, I am in no way inferring that IP addresses have anything to do with the page rank of those duplicate content blogs however, it doesn't seems to hurt

[pr0]

Heres the deal.

The need for multiple ip/nameserver etc. systems are for one thing.

Buttfucking the fuck out of google/yahoo etc.

If you want to run 300 sites with unique content (all diff niches) and interlink them all you'll be fine with a few ip's.

If you want to run 3,000 sites with the same unique content (that is then changed a little a few times) and then start interlinking.....you need a package like i got in my sig, or like baddogs network.

Thats it folks....thats the whole ballgame.

In the end...the guy with 300 sites, all with handwritten content (from his 10 employees) may get 300,000-600,000 hits a day (all se) assuming the traffic total does not reflect any crap trades etc.

The guy with 3,000 with the same amount of content will probably end up with 3,000,000 and the same amount of work on his plate (if automated correctly).

There are maybe 20 people on gfy who can even do this (as described above), do to monetary constraints for setting up the 3,000 network & maintaining the servers/ip's bandwidth, scripts etc.

Also when (if) google/yahoo catchs on, you just lost $23,970 in domain costs & starting over from scratch.

So trust me when i say you need professional consulting if you even want to consider buttfucking google. Or else they WILL butt fuck you! Trust in dat!

[qxm]

Originally Posted by pr0

Heres the deal.

The need for multiple ip/nameserver etc. systems are for one thing.

Buttfucking the fuck out of google/yahoo etc.

If you want to run 300 sites with unique content (all diff niches) and interlink them all you'll be fine with a few ip's.

If you want to run 3,000 sites with the same unique content (that is then changed a little a few times) and then start interlinking.....you need a package like i got in my sig, or like baddogs network.

Thats it folks....thats the whole ballgame.

In the end...the guy with 300 sites, all with handwritten content (from his 10 employees) may get 300,000-600,000 hits a day (all se) assuming the traffic total does not reflect any crap trades etc.

The guy with 3,000 with the same amount of content will probably end up with 3,000,000 and the same amount of work on his plate (if automated correctly).

There are maybe 20 people on gfy who can even do this (as described above), do to monetary constraints for setting up the 3,000 network & maintaining the servers/ip's bandwidth, scripts etc.

Also when (if) google/yahoo catchs on, you just lost $23,970 in domain costs & starting over from scratch.

So trust me when i say you need professional consulting if you even want to consider buttfucking google. Or else they WILL butt fuck you! Trust in dat!

... didn't think it was all about buttfucking ...... lol .......... good info none the less

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by baddog

Have you ever heard of the host crowding penalty? You think that is an urban legend or something?

Sure, i've heard about it, and its not a urban legend, but it certainly is not what you are implying it is. Host Crowding has little or nothing to do with IP's, allthough you can be sure its "checked against your inbounds and outbounds"? IP check may be a direct relative of host crowding but its not why host crowding was implemented, and not its job to be in charge of looking after.

Originally Posted by MattCutts

For several years Google has used something called ?host crowding,? which means that Google will show up to two results from each hostname/subdomain of a domain name. That approach works very well to show 1-2 results from a subdomain, but we did hear complaints that for some types of searches (e.g. esoteric or long-tail searches), Google could return a search page with lots of results all from one domain. In the last few weeks we changed our algorithms to make that less likely to happen in the future.

This change doesn?t apply across the board; if a particular domain is really relevant, we may still return several results from that domain. For example, with a search query like [ibm] the user probably likes/wants to see several results from ibm.com. Note that this is a pretty subtle change, and it doesn?t affect a majority of our queries. In fact, this change has been live for a couple weeks or so now and no one noticed.

Source: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/subdom...ubdirectories/

Now again i will say, there is far more important things to worry about. Using new IP's and new Nameservers is not done as a offensive or strategical move, it is purely functionable as a defense, for showing the links are from "external sources".

Now i can agree that you will not take a more then 2 spaces in a serp with the same IP, but i have to ask, who in their right fucking mind would attempt to rank more then 2 domains for the same serp and host them all on the same IP, i guess only a fool.

[mryellow]

Too true.

Spamming SEs you'll need IPs.

It's a game tho....

You play for 6 months, get lucky, make a mint, then it dies again. Takes alot of tweaking
your programs and customising Apache to feed pages that look legit to google in all ways.

Safer to just make good sites. Then IPs don't matter so much, while DNS matters not at all.

-Ben

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Sure, i've heard about it, and its not a urban legend, but it certainly is not what you are implying it is. Host Crowding has little or nothing to do with IP's, allthough you can be sure its "checked against your inbounds and outbounds"? IP check may be a direct relative of host crowding but its not why host crowding was implemented, and not its job to be in charge of looking after.



Source: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/subdom...ubdirectories/

Now again i will say, there is far more important things to worry about. Using new IP's and new Nameservers is not done as a offensive or strategical move, it is purely functionable as a defense, for showing the links are from "external sources".

Now i can agree that you will not take a more then 2 spaces in a serp with the same IP, but i have to ask, who in their right fucking mind would attempt to rank more then 2 domains for the same serp and host them all on the same IP, i guess only a fool.

Matt Cutts? Minister of Misinformation.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by baddog

Matt Cutts? Minister of Misinformation.

I didn't bring up Host Crowding, you did

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I didn't bring up Host Crowding, you did

To be honest, I did not bother clicking the link. I think my comment must have been lost on you.

That's okay. Everyone has someone they trust.

[Shaze]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Do SE's also look at if sites linking to eachother got the same nameserver even if the sites are on different class c IP's?

you do realize that domain registrars let people who buy domain names use their DNS servers right? millions of people just use the domain registrars DNS servers, so if SE's did look if they are using same name server millions of domains would be banned already. i really don't see using the same DNS as a problem.

[Shaze]

The only reason you would need tons of IP's if you have huge networks in the thousands of domain names/websites. If you have just a couple website you don't need different class C's.

And interlinking your websites is a "newbie" style of SEO. There are better ways to do linking schemes if you have a network of sites. Even if you have different class c's, private registration, blah, blah, blah, if your in it for the long run you'll get fucked by the SE's sooner or later. THis type of SEO isn't the way to go if your in the business for the long run.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by baddog

To be honest, I did not bother clicking the link. I think my comment must have been lost on you.

That's okay. Everyone has someone they trust.

Trust has nothing to do with what works.


You cater to seo webmasters, you should be smart enough to atleast engage in a quality conversation on the subject.

To just reply to me and say you didnt even read the link i sent to help you from sounding foolish is completely ridiculous.

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Shaze

The only reason you would need tons of IP's if you have huge networks in the thousands of domain names/websites. If you have just a couple website you don't need different class C's.

And interlinking your websites is a "newbie" style of SEO. There are better ways to do linking schemes if you have a network of sites. Even if you have different class c's, private registration, blah, blah, blah, if your in it for the long run you'll get fucked by the SE's sooner or later. THis type of SEO isn't the way to go if your in the business for the long run.

I covered every word of this already.

everyone read my fucking post.....i am the ip king

bow down!

[qxm]

I love this thread ....

[nico-t]

for the ones saying if different IP's are a waste of money, no ofcourse not. It all plays a small factor as someone explained in one of the replies here.

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

If your site is on the same IP as another site that is trying for the same keywords, you are fucked if the other site is older. Read the patent.

^^^^ this is also true, i experienced this with two sites of mine on the same IP. They were exchanging SE positions every other few weeks (1 gone, 2 on top, 2 gone, 1 on top) and now my older site finally took the spot and the newer is nowhere to be seen. They were never both on page 1.

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.”

The first observation would also be an inherent bias in the population, like this one :

Wearing a suit improves the bank balance because it has been noticed that while only 3% of the overall population wears a suit, 90% of the people having a bank account of $5Mn or more do.

The second is vague enough to mean nothing.

[xsabn]

i use hostnine reseller plan .. there i have the option to select the location of the server (multiple datacenters - multiple C classes). they also have the option to use my own DNS for each domain (for ex: ns1.mydomain.com , ns2.mydomain.com .. ns1.myotherdomain.com , ns2.myotherdomain.com).

my question is: this DNS is basically a clustered IP, so my DNS ns1.my-domain.com have the same IP with ns1.my-other-domain.com. Is this make a difference for big G00gle???

[Shaze]

sorry...long posts give me a headache so i dont read them.

Originally Posted by pr0

I covered every word of this already.

everyone read my fucking post.....i am the ip king

bow down!

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Shaze

sorry...long posts give me a headache so i dont read them.

Wasn't a long post....just double spaced

I learned that trick back in high school & college

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by xsabn

i use hostnine reseller plan .. there i have the option to select the location of the server (multiple datacenters - multiple C classes). they also have the option to use my own DNS for each domain (for ex: ns1.mydomain.com , ns2.mydomain.com .. ns1.myotherdomain.com , ns2.myotherdomain.com).

my question is: this DNS is basically a clustered IP, so my DNS ns1.my-domain.com have the same IP with ns1.my-other-domain.com. Is this make a difference for big G00gle???

DNS has 0 impact on SEO.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by xsabn

i use hostnine reseller plan .. there i have the option to select the location of the server (multiple datacenters - multiple C classes). they also have the option to use my own DNS for each domain (for ex: ns1.mydomain.com , ns2.mydomain.com .. ns1.myotherdomain.com , ns2.myotherdomain.com).

my question is: this DNS is basically a clustered IP, so my DNS ns1.my-domain.com have the same IP with ns1.my-other-domain.com. Is this make a difference for big G00gle???

My first comment in this thread: Not yet, but it is thought that this will be the next step. That is why we use a different NS for every C, just staying ahead of the game.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Trust has nothing to do with what works.


You cater to seo webmasters, you should be smart enough to atleast engage in a quality conversation on the subject.

To just reply to me and say you didnt even read the link i sent to help you from sounding foolish is completely ridiculous.

My goal is not to convince someone that they need our services. The demographic we cater to already knows why they want the C's.

As far as not following the link, I am sorry, but citing Matt Cutts tells me that you trust what he has to say, based on his position with Google . . . even if it is his job to make you think SEO doesn't work.

[vod]

Originally Posted by beemk

haha

seo is good and the more the better...

separate C-Class ip's from separate name servers and networks is the best way to gooo

[SinisterStudios]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bruce Clay (http://www.bruceclay.com) observed that although only 3 percent of websites are on dedicated IPs, well over 90 percent of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. They confirmed this by moving a site from a shared IP to a dedicated IP and noticed "significant ranking increases.?

Bruce is the Grandfather of SEO and what he says shouldnt be taken lightly. For all of those who think that sites spread out over mutliple classes using mutliple NS's is a waste really do not know the true power of using these methods.

But that being said,

Having mutliple ip's spread across mutliple blocks is just one part of the total picture when it comes to SEO. If you have a crap site, not matter how many ip's you have your going to never rank anywhere worth a shit. Ip's are really just a small factor in the big equation,
Without proper keyword structures and relevance, theme relevance, theme density, themed content and the proper silo stucture of your site you might get a decent rankings but youll never be able to rank for high dollar short tails. Even proper linking doesnt play as much of a role as it once did. Its all about LSI, Silo'ing and theme relevance (quality scores) now.

SEO is really pretty straight foward, follow the proper formula and you will rank consistantly over and over ( and for the long term), do it wrong and youll be bashing your head against the wall wondering why you can get ranked.

I use 1 ip to 1 domain for all sites i want to rank and keep ranked, it works well for me and i cant say it will work the same for others.

[Z]

There's no $$ in SEO.

[mryellow]

Grandfather of selling SEO maybe.

Most of the true SEO guys from our industry made their mint and got out long ago.

Got sick of managing servers getting crashed by the google bot crawling millions of pages per day.

-Ben