SEO Domain Names Discussion - GoFuckYourself.com

polle54 · 05-14-2008, 01:51 PM

So...

I have a little question here... let's say I am targetting a low end keyword like a niche pornstar.

Lets take Extreme Kream. I wanna Rank #1 one for "Extreme Kream Gallery".

That is the only keyword I am targetting.

What is then the better domain:

ExtremeKreamGallery.com
or
Extreme-Kream-Gallery.com

Let's assume they are eqaul in any other way.

Discuss

pornguy · 05-14-2008, 01:53 PM

You dont HAVE to have it in the domain. At least not totally. that mainly helps for yahoo. Not sure about google

xsabn · 05-14-2008, 01:56 PM

ExtremeKreamGallery.com

mona · 05-14-2008, 01:57 PM

I would go for second one (since, by the hyphens, the words are separated according to Google, the almighty), but don't go over 3 hyphens in a domain name, looks/interpreted as kinda spammy.

mona · 05-14-2008, 01:59 PM

if both are available, get both, obviously

fusionx · 05-14-2008, 02:16 PM

For that specific example I'd use the dashed version - simply because the SE's might not recognize the spelling of "kream", so giving them a hint with the delimiter could help quite a bit.

dav3 · 05-14-2008, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusionx

For that specific example I'd use the dashed version - simply because the SE's might not recognize the spelling of "kream", so giving them a hint with the delimiter could help quite a bit.

Good point^

polle54 · 05-14-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dav3

Good point^

yes it is but I think it can seperate the words anyhow. I don't know how they do it but I see that they know the words beginning and end even though it's not a real word, maybe because it knows the words around it.

Anyway I went with the non dashed versions as my keywords only consists of words that are commonly understood.

It is a mainstream project btw, this is purely for fitting the example to adult

Thanks for some fine answers

GAMEFINEST · 05-14-2008, 03:04 PM

both of them..

woj · 05-14-2008, 03:30 PM

I wouldn't register either of them, unless the domain happens to be decent for other reasons than just seo...

rowan · 05-14-2008, 04:10 PM

Even without the dashes there's plenty of stuff a SE can still pull out... here's that particular domain plugged into my "web words" finder:

all, gallery, alle, extreme, tre, aller, ler, gal, ext, ller, lle, rea, extrem, xtreme, rem, extr, eme, mek, amg, gall, kre, mga, ery, kream, galle, ream, emek, eam, remek, galler, trem, xtrem, xtr, reme, ekr, amga, treme, lery

(where web words are words that appear in at least 10% of a sample of about a million random pages on unique class Cs)

Nicky · 05-14-2008, 04:34 PM

I usually use the none hyphen one if it's available

skillfull · 05-14-2008, 09:13 PM

use the non-hyphen :P

bdld · 05-14-2008, 11:25 PM

won't make a difference.

baddog · 05-15-2008, 08:13 AM

Doesn't really matter any more. Would probably go without the hyphens for the simple reason that the surfer probably would not remember to include them (for your type-in traffic).

beta-tester · 05-15-2008, 08:39 AM

I agree with baddog... It's not important whatsoever to have keywords in domain anymore, sure it can help a bit, but not much really... and it's tested and proved

baddog · 05-15-2008, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beta-tester

I agree with baddog... It's not important whatsoever to have keywords in domain anymore,

I am sorry, when did I say that?

Jdoughs · 05-15-2008, 09:36 AM

Most of my listings in Google are from domains WITHOUT the keyterm or synonym in the domain url.

A domain with strong links, with a keyterm in the url, will pass stronger link weight to the target url (provided its relevant keyterm).

Domains with keyterm URL's are extremely effective at passing authority to penalized, or spammy sites. I have pulled 3 domains out of the google 950 penalty by using keyterm based domains (some dropped) to pass "theme" or relevance and confirm the site is indeed about "keyterms"

As with ANY ASPECT of SEO, its about the whole picture, NO ONE MISTAKE, or one properly done thing will ensure success, its the whole big picture. So while you do not need the keyterms in the URL, it can still effect the listings based on how the rest of the peices fall together.

Ranking the domain ....freeporn.com for the terms Free Porn will be easier then ranking ....erhyshttdddd.com for it, but again, its not the deciding factor, its just one that can be exploited/manipulated for better results.

Its far from neccessary, but still a checkmark in the algorythym charts. It matters less and less every year, but it is still a positive mark for the site.

05-14-2008, 01:53 PM	#2
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05-14-2008, 03:04 PM	#9
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05-14-2008, 03:30 PM	#10
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05-14-2008, 04:34 PM	#12
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05-14-2008, 09:13 PM	#13
skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	use the non-hyphen :P __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

05-14-2008, 01:51 PM	#1
polle54 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Beach Posts: 4,626	SEO Domain Names Discussion So... I have a little question here... let's say I am targetting a low end keyword like a niche pornstar. Lets take Extreme Kream. I wanna Rank #1 one for "Extreme Kream Gallery". That is the only keyword I am targetting. What is then the better domain: ExtremeKreamGallery.com or Extreme-Kream-Gallery.com Let's assume they are eqaul in any other way. Discuss __________________ ICQ# 143561781

05-14-2008, 01:56 PM	#3
xsabn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 203-069-778 Posts: 2,815	ExtremeKreamGallery.com

05-14-2008, 01:57 PM	#4
mona Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mona = "female monkey" in Spanish Posts: 1,940	I would go for second one (since, by the hyphens, the words are separated according to Google, the almighty), but don't go over 3 hyphens in a domain name, looks/interpreted as kinda spammy.

05-14-2008, 01:59 PM	#5
mona Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mona = "female monkey" in Spanish Posts: 1,940	if both are available, get both, obviously

05-14-2008, 02:16 PM	#6
fusionx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Olongapo City, Philippines Posts: 4,618	For that specific example I'd use the dashed version - simply because the SE's might not recognize the spelling of "kream", so giving them a hint with the delimiter could help quite a bit.

05-14-2008, 04:10 PM	#11
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Even without the dashes there's plenty of stuff a SE can still pull out... here's that particular domain plugged into my "web words" finder: all, gallery, alle, extreme, tre, aller, ler, gal, ext, ller, lle, rea, extrem, xtreme, rem, extr, eme, mek, amg, gall, kre, mga, ery, kream, galle, ream, emek, eam, remek, galler, trem, xtrem, xtr, reme, ekr, amga, treme, lery (where web words are words that appear in at least 10% of a sample of about a million random pages on unique class Cs)

05-14-2008, 11:25 PM	#14
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	won't make a difference.

05-15-2008, 08:13 AM	#15
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Doesn't really matter any more. Would probably go without the hyphens for the simple reason that the surfer probably would not remember to include them (for your type-in traffic).

05-15-2008, 08:39 AM	#16
beta-tester Rock 'n Roll Baby! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA, temporarly Posts: 22,562	I agree with baddog... It's not important whatsoever to have keywords in domain anymore, sure it can help a bit, but not much really... and it's tested and proved __________________ Sig for sale. Affordable prices. Contact me and get a great deal ;) My contact: ICQ: 944-320-46 e-mail: manca {AT} HotFreeSex4All.com

05-15-2008, 09:36 AM	#18
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	Most of my listings in Google are from domains WITHOUT the keyterm or synonym in the domain url. A domain with strong links, with a keyterm in the url, will pass stronger link weight to the target url (provided its relevant keyterm). Domains with keyterm URL's are extremely effective at passing authority to penalized, or spammy sites. I have pulled 3 domains out of the google 950 penalty by using keyterm based domains (some dropped) to pass "theme" or relevance and confirm the site is indeed about "keyterms" As with ANY ASPECT of SEO, its about the whole picture, NO ONE MISTAKE, or one properly done thing will ensure success, its the whole big picture. So while you do not need the keyterms in the URL, it can still effect the listings based on how the rest of the peices fall together. Ranking the domain ....freeporn.com for the terms Free Porn will be easier then ranking ....erhyshttdddd.com for it, but again, its not the deciding factor, its just one that can be exploited/manipulated for better results. Its far from neccessary, but still a checkmark in the algorythym charts. It matters less and less every year, but it is still a positive mark for the site. __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!