Packers to Farve... You can come play as a BACKUP>>> LOL

[»Rob Content«]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3484473

So you tell one of if not the greatest QB in history, the man who lead you to the NFC championship just one season ago that he can come play backup?

What a fucking joke, and what a way to really make your fans happy.

I hate green bay, but Farve is the man, and not letting him start is just a joke.

[PlugRush Sascha]

Horrible decision as far as the Packers are concerned. Favre played great last season. The fans love Favre.

Rodgers doesn't give a fuck about the fans. He said so in an interview. If you publicly say that without even having really played yet, you're a fucking dipshit. He better pull a Tom Brady or he's gonna get murdered up there in Green Bay.

Either way, I hope Favre can play well on another team. We'll see how he does with new receivers, etc., but I personally can't wait to see him play again. Fuck the Packers for not wanting him back.

[sweetcuties]

I've said this in the other thead... he needs to bow out gracefully otherwise flack will be worse and he'll end up as a has been

[TyroneGoldberg]

He need to sit his old ass down. For real. Get out the spotlight and let the packers move on.

[Kard63]

Originally Posted by TyroneGoldberg

He need to sit his old ass down. For real. Get out the spotlight and let the packers move on.

Yep. He is barely in the top 10 QBs ever btw.

[bignasty]

Hope they can work something out, just wouldn't seem right him playing for another team.

[TyroneGoldberg]

Originally Posted by Kard63

Yep. He is barely in the top 10 QBs ever btw.

he ended is career just right, with an interception. He's a gunslinger, not a smart QB.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Kard63

Yep. He is barely in the top 10 QBs ever btw.

Name 10 better qb's

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by sweetcuties

I've said this in the other thead... he needs to bow out gracefully otherwise flack will be worse and he'll end up as a has been

A lot of the biggest names and the best QB's ended up on another team to end their career.

Joe Namath and The Rams lol

Johnny Unitas in San Diego

the list goes on and on

[TyroneGoldberg]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

A lot of the biggest names and the best QB's ended up on another team to end their career.

Joe Namath and The Rams lol

Johnny Unitas in San Diego

the list goes on and on

Did they give their team the run around, oh i'm retiring, no i'm not, he even did this shit last year before the season. Either retire or play. Being indecisive is a woman's trait.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by TyroneGoldberg

Did they give their team the run around, oh i'm retiring, no i'm not, he even did this shit last year before the season. Either retire or play. Being indecisive is a woman's trait.

Oh I agree that's a huge headache.

And it's not cool at all.

But, at the end of the day any NFL General Manager and Coach need to put the best team on the field that can win.

Farve lead them to the NFC championship last year.

When he said maybe he did not want to retire they both should have been on the phone begging him to come play.

No one can say that the Packers have a better chance at winning with Rogers there over Farve right now.

[PlugRush Sascha]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Oh I agree that's a huge headache.

And it's not cool at all.

But, at the end of the day any NFL General Manager and Coach need to put the best team on the field that can win.

Farve lead them to the NFC championship last year.

When he said maybe he did not want to retire they both should have been on the phone begging him to come play.

No one can say that the Packers have a better chance at winning with Rogers there over Farve right now.

To be fair, I'm sure they made adjustments to the offense already to make Rodgers more comfortable. Maybe it's not that easy to adjust the whole team back to play in a Favre-ish offense. However, I do think it would be worth it. I'd love to see Favre play another year with the Packers.

Favre belongs in the top 10 list not because he is the most accurate player or even the most talented, but because he is a true football player. No quitting (look at how many games he started in a row), there is always fight in him, he is never afraid to make a decision on the fly (underhanded passes, fighting off tackles no matter what, etc.) and he continuously pushed himself to be better.

Last season was one of his best years when people had written him off 5 years ago. He may not be the "best" when it comes to pure stats, but he is definitely the most exciting QB to watch play I'd say. It's never a boring game when Favre is playing, because you never know when he'll manage to squeeze in that insane pass for an 80 yard touchdown out of nowhere to put a game away in overtime.

These things can't be overlooked when you judge a quarterback and these things are what easily ranks Brett Favre in the top 10 QBs of all time. If you can name 10 that you'd rather watch play, you're fucking crazy.

[sltr]

hard to bump any of these guys from the top 10 list- *maybe* marino MAYBE!

Terry Bradshaw of the Pittsburgh Steelers (1970-83)

John Elway of the Denver Broncos (1983-98)

Bob Griese of the Miami Dolphins (1967-80)


Dan Marino of the Miami Dolphins (1983-1999)


Joe Montana of the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs (1979-1994)

Joe Namath of the New York Jets and Los Angeles Rams (1965-1977)


Bart Starr of the Green Bay Packers (1956-1971)


Roger Staubach of the Dallas Cowboys (1969-1979)

Fran Tarkenton of the Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants (1961-1978)

Johnny Unitas of the Baltimore Colts and San Diego Chargers (1956-1973)

[Socks]

To not include Tom Brady in that list is ridiculous.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Name 10 better qb's

In no particular order, montana, marino, elway, young, brady, bradshaw, manning. So, i only came up with 7 lol.....In my book favre is definitely in the top 10.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by sltr

hard to bump any of these guys from the top 10 list- *maybe* marino MAYBE!

Terry Bradshaw of the Pittsburgh Steelers (1970-83)

John Elway of the Denver Broncos (1983-98)

Bob Griese of the Miami Dolphins (1967-80)


Dan Marino of the Miami Dolphins (1983-1999)


Joe Montana of the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs (1979-1994)

Joe Namath of the New York Jets and Los Angeles Rams (1965-1977)


Bart Starr of the Green Bay Packers (1956-1971)


Roger Staubach of the Dallas Cowboys (1969-1979)

Fran Tarkenton of the Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants (1961-1978)

Johnny Unitas of the Baltimore Colts and San Diego Chargers (1956-1973)

favre is better than griese could ever dream of being....where is brady?

[cykoe6]

Favre is really hurting the packers with this nonsense. He should have bowed out gracefully.

[mynameisjim]

Why would they just release him like he wants? I'm not sure how NFL contracts work but if they keep him on the roster, then they can trade him and get something of value for him. If they just mutually break the contract as he wants, they are just giving him away.

Bad PR move but a good business move if that is the case. But like I said, the details of contracts get pretty complicated so I may be wrong.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by bushwacker

...where is brady?

he did not make the cut.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by sltr

he did not make the cut.

mmkay.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by sltr

hard to bump any of these guys from the top 10 list- *maybe* marino MAYBE!

Terry Bradshaw of the Pittsburgh Steelers (1970-83)

John Elway of the Denver Broncos (1983-98)

Bob Griese of the Miami Dolphins (1967-80)


Dan Marino of the Miami Dolphins (1983-1999)


Joe Montana of the San Francisco 49ers and Kansas City Chiefs (1979-1994)

Joe Namath of the New York Jets and Los Angeles Rams (1965-1977)


Bart Starr of the Green Bay Packers (1956-1971)


Roger Staubach of the Dallas Cowboys (1969-1979)

Fran Tarkenton of the Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants (1961-1978)

Johnny Unitas of the Baltimore Colts and San Diego Chargers (1956-1973)

I'm sorry, but if I was building a team only Montana, Johnny U, Bradshaw, and maybe Elway i'd take in front of Farve.

[spanky part 2]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

I'm sorry, but if I was building a team only Montana, Johnny U, Bradshaw, and maybe Elway i'd take in front of Farve.

Kinda forgot a guy named Peyton too.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by spanky part 2

Kinda forgot a guy named Peyton too.

I like Manning, but i'd still take Farve over him

[AndrewAiken]

Favre = Overrated

Don't take my word for it, read below (can't post the link until 30 posts):

Overhyped: Favre didn't deliver in second half of career
By Sal Paolantonio
ESPN.com

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

[Snake Doctor]

Whether Favre is great or not isn't the point.

The point is he can't keep doing this to the Packers. They apparently had a deal with him in late March to come back (3 weeks after he retired, he had changed his mind) but he wouldn't commit then, so they had to move on without him.

This is a team that picked Aaron Rodgers three years ago and Brian Brohm this year because they thought Favre was leaving, both 2 years ago and this year. It's time for Favre to quit being so damn fickle and expecting the Packers to be at his beck and call.

[stev0]

He's old... time to hang em up.

[Lycanthrope]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Whether Favre is great or not isn't the point.

The point is he can't keep doing this to the Packers. They apparently had a deal with him in late March to come back (3 weeks after he retired, he had changed his mind) but he wouldn't commit then, so they had to move on without him.

This is a team that picked Aaron Rodgers three years ago and Brian Brohm this year because they thought Favre was leaving, both 2 years ago and this year. It's time for Favre to quit being so damn fickle and expecting the Packers to be at his beck and call.

Exactly. And almost half of us in Packerland agree.

[TyroneGoldberg]

Originally Posted by AndrewAiken

Favre = Overrated

Don't take my word for it, read below (can't post the link until 30 posts):

Overhyped: Favre didn't deliver in second half of career
By Sal Paolantonio
ESPN.com

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.

Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.

If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.

But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.

Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

Originally Posted by TyroneGoldberg

he ended is career just right, with an interception. He's a gunslinger, not a smart QB.

gunslinger.

[CDSmith]

Favre's options are pretty clear from that article, either stay retired or show up for training camp and EARN the starting QB position. I don't believe in just giving it to him simply because "he's Brett Favre."

If he's still the best man for the job and he wants it, sure put him in.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Favre's options are pretty clear from that article, either stay retired or show up for training camp and EARN the starting QB position. I don't believe in just giving it to him simply because "he's Brett Favre."

If he's still the best man for the job and he wants it, sure put him in.

From what I'm hearing the main reason they won't just release him is because he'll sign with Minnesota.

It would be asinine for the Packers to let Favre walk, get nothing for him, and then have him go to their division rival.
If they had assurances from Favre and his agent that they wouldn't sign with a team in the division they'd probably let him walk.

Nobody wants a backup QB with a $13M cap number.....but if they let him come back as the starter, Aaron Rodgers would walk after this year and never play for the Packers again.

[CDSmith]

Apparently now he's saying he "doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay"

I don't know what to think about this guy lately. Some media people are calling him a spoiled premadonna, others are saying he's got a few good years left in him so let him play.

Personally I'd kind of like to see what Aaron Rogers can really do out there

(without Favre and his retirement woes messing with his head).

[atom]

If they released Favre he would be the first player in NFL history to be released unconditionally by a team. They were talking about it on sportscenter last night and said while Favre put Green Bay back on the map after their horrible slump, Green Bay was great to Favre. They dealt with his drug addiction, him making more than one last minute decision about wether he would play or not, etc.

If Favre does return Madden will shoot a turducken out of his ass in celebration.

I would like to see him end up here on the Vikings for a year but don't think that will happen. Monday night opener is Vikings in Green Bay, Favre suiting up as a Vike in Lambo would bring a smile to my face.