GFY is under attack by redirected Hun traffic again - Page 10 - GoFuckYourself.com

PersianKitty · 10-26-2002, 10:56 AM

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Lens... no fair... my kids swiped the DVD player I won from ARS. I need one in my office.

jim manly · 10-26-2002, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by DR_PHIL
you know, i think if it happened again it would be toooo easy for a bunch of webmasters to take hun down for a long time..he needs to keep that in mind when trying to prove a point to people that could care less

I was wondering are you THE Dr. Phil from Oparah?

jimmyf · 10-26-2002, 11:09 AM

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Originally posted by jim manly

I have IE 6 with java on.
Excuse me, but probably all surfers gets the same I do. I don't think that much surfers have nutscrape 4.7 with java off.

Jim I also use IE 6 BUT for links I do not trust I use Nutscape 4.7... and I still use it for my email.. but like I said the Browser is IE 6. hope you understand what am trying to say

Splicer · 10-26-2002, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Carrie

Such as requiring full contact info, or requiring that the submitter's email match the WHOIS info for the domain, or that the WHOIS info for the domain the gallery is on simply must be valid (no 123-456-7890 stuff for the phone number, etc).

I agree

Splicer · 10-26-2002, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by kevinl
Hun,Why dont you contact the sponsor on his legitimate galleries that he submits to you. Threaten to ban them and I'll bet they drop him.

If you fuck up his pocketbook then you have truly fucked him up.

I think those are just "fronts", he doesn't care if he sells on those.
His real sponsors are the ones ben redirected to.

SleazyDream · 10-26-2002, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Incognito
Everyone.
Look.

1.There are two problems here - legal and ethical.

Years ago when TGPs appeared a lot of big guys, running paysites, ran around crying to shut down TGPs because OBVIOUSLY they hurt their sales a lot.

And they couldnt do a shit, because although unethical (and it was unethical because when one person makes his money out of loss of others in the same industry that is called unethical) it was basicly legal.
Hun runs www.thehun.net and has every right to do anything he wants if it is legal there right?

Now these new TGP cheaters are not doing anything new. It's just the same thing many years later and QUITE NATURAL I might add.

Whatever they do - they do it on THEIR sites. Not on Hun's.

It might be unethical to Hun and TGP runners but essentially it's just totally the same what Hun and guys like him did to the adult industy years ago.

If You dont understand it - You're stupid. Ask anyone who's in this biz longer than 3 years.
Ask about sales BEFORE TGPs.

The ONLY thing Hun can do - check more Your galleries. Do it live, not with a program. And it's possible, otherwise You wouldnt be posting those galleries here all the time. And please dont say that it's hard. Hard is just a definition of cost in business.

Hun hires 20 guys to do it every minute and Hun is saved ,isnt it right?
Nope, because Hun doesnt WANT to pay to 20 guys. He doesnt want to loose money and he goes illegal - DDOSing and IMG sourcing. Well why the fuck? Years ago I am SURE no one in the adult industry liked to loose money because of TGPs.
But they were told - NET evolves. Live with it or get out. Now Hun...net evolves, live with it or get out.

2. If I were Hun I'd not do such stupid thing as IMG sourcing and stuff. As it was said, and it is true beleive it or not, the TGP killer is controlling about the same amount of traffic Hun does.

Dont think of it as a way to DDOS or IMG source Hun. The even fact that TGP killer redirects Huns IMG source always to GFY to gather an immediate public attention is a clear sign for everyone to see who's actually smarter of them two. Who's stupid and arrogant enough to make crap like IMG source and who's smart enough to show it to everyone in a simple way.

Now talking about poor russian cheaters, think of how much money that traffic of his makes. Now think that if the guy indeed wants to sue Hun - he is INDEED fincancially capable of doing that and has every right unlike many of You ass licking faggots around here. My personal excuses to each and every normal person here.

dumbest arguement I've ever heard. Obviously you smoke crack.

A comparable example of what the hun did to paysites (and he did nothing, paysites make a FORTUNE from him) would be what cor did to the hun with worldsex and everyone else with larger and more specialized TGPs.

SleazyDream · 10-26-2002, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by Incognito

Hun , honestly , You speak too much and that's the only thing You're good at.

And most people fall into it. Into the charm of words.

But the reality is - TGP's hurt sales great. Your TGP right now has payed ads of rape fantasy on one hand and You say that You are against rape fantasy at the same time. You image sourced the guy who redirected HIS OWN traffic, not yours.

As I said, accept Your problems and my advice is - dont go too far in Your rage till You clean out Your own shit, You might get burned Yourself.

if TGPs hurt sales how come some of LARGEST paychecks of paysites are TGPs?

Splicer · 10-26-2002, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Dopy
And here?s a message to all you Russians that cheat then argue with illogical statements born out of lawless depravation.

Splicer · 10-26-2002, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by TGPKiller

Hmm... Sad, but truth, there is such link. I didn't put it there, though, that was done without my permission, and believe me or not but I'm really angry about this

Jesus Christ!

How fucking lame can you get?

Go stand in line to get some bread or something and stop submitting your crap

Mortimer · 10-26-2002, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by DR_PHIL
you know, i think if it happened again it would be toooo easy for a bunch of webmasters to take hun down for a long time..he needs to keep that in mind when trying to prove a point to people that could care less

I have to agree with that. I would never fuck with cheaters and try to bring them down because I simply do not have the time to bother about that. If a 16 year old kid can bring yahoo down for a coupl of hours with tools he didn't even code himself, I can only imagine what good programmers can achieve. These people can do a lot of stuff and have a lot of ways to hide their traces. I wouldn't like for my website to go down because of some ddos attack, and never being able to get back online because they would keep attacking each time it would come back.

It is sad to say, but there is absolutely nothing you can do against someone who has the knowledge and determination to bring you down. The difference with those guys is they go from server to server, from domain to domain, etc. If hun cannot use his domain anymore, do you really think his 1 million bookmarkers a day will just switch to his new website when they do not even know where they can find it?

As long as there will be anonymous proxies, bad network managers, flawed oses, etc. the internet will be a fragile place and everyone can bring everyone down with some determination.

That's why I don't fuck with hackers

Think about that guys, is it really worth it to risk your businness for them?

Have a good day,

Mortimer

P.S.: I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this thread, just sharing my opinion on this matter since it could make some people realize some important stuff...

SleazyDream · 10-26-2002, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mortimer

I have to agree with that. I would never fuck with cheaters and try to bring them down because I simply do not have the time to bother about that. If a 16 year old kid can bring yahoo down for a coupl of hours with tools he didn't even code himself, I can only imagine what good programmers can achieve. These people can do a lot of stuff and have a lot of ways to hide their traces. I wouldn't like for my website to go down because of some ddos attack, and never being able to get back online because they would keep attacking each time it would come back.

It is sad to say, but there is absolutely nothing you can do against someone who has the knowledge and determination to bring you down. The difference with those guys is they go from server to server, from domain to domain, etc. If hun cannot use his domain anymore, do you really think his 1 million bookmarkers a day will just switch to his new website when they do not even know where they can find it?

As long as there will be anonymous proxies, bad network managers, flawed oses, etc. the internet will be a fragile place and everyone can bring everyone down with some determination.

That's why I don't fuck with hackers

Think about that guys, is it really worth it to risk your businness for them?

Have a good day,

Mortimer

P.S.: I have no affiliation with anyone involved in this thread, just sharing my opinion on this matter since it could make some people realize some important stuff...

the thing is, the hun would have a LEGION of hackers willing to help him in appreciation for all the free porn he has provided for them over the years if someone fucked with his site and brought it down.

Mortimer · 10-26-2002, 02:10 PM

I'm sure he would, but that doesn't change the fact that his website would be down, and his revenues gone... He'd still be the one losing in all of this...

Mortimer · 10-26-2002, 02:12 PM

Have you ever heard of grc.com? The guy is a security expert, and he once got hit by a "script kiddie" because the kid wanted to prove he could bring him down. Believe me, the guy did all he could to protect his website, but there was nothing he could do against the attacks. It is a pretty interesting story, makes you think twice before challenging someone you don't know...

Incognito · 10-26-2002, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mortimer
Have you ever heard of grc.com? The guy is a security expert, and he once got hit by a "script kiddie" because the kid wanted to prove he could bring him down. Believe me, the guy did all he could to protect his website, but there was nothing he could do against the attacks. It is a pretty interesting story, makes you think twice before challenging someone you don't know...

Hmm...

It's not entirely true. It's not impossible to protect - it's just way too expensive.
Look at microsoft.com - they dont go down every day do they? And they are probably target number 1 for most hackers around.

The thing is that there are things out there called DDOSes and it's impossible to be protected against them with people and software only. And hardware which does the trick - costs money and quite a lot. Half way serious stuff can easily cost around 15 000$.

That's why I hate seeing Hun image sourcing people.

Now, back to the subject.

Guys please dont come after me, that's for those of You who doe.

I dont support every russian cheater or any other cheater for the matter.

I only support people when I FEEL that they are right. In this case, I cant say that TGP killer is right. I'd even say that I myself wont do such a thing ever. But I also should point out that I dont see where Hun is better. And what's worse , since TGP killer is not hiding or anything and Hun has double standarts all over I'd say that from my point of view Hun is worse.

GFED · 10-26-2002, 03:53 PM

By the last breath of the fourth winds blow
Better raise your ears
The sound of hooves knocks at your door
Lock up your wife and children now
It's time to wield the blade
For now you have got some company

The Horsemen are drawing nearer
On the leather steeds they ride
They have come to take your life
On through the dead of night
With the four Horsemen ride
Or choose your fate and die

You have been dying since the day
You were born
You know it has all been planned
The quartet of deliverence rides
A sinner once a sinner twice
No need for confession now
Cause now you have got the fight of your life

The Horsemen are drawing nearer
On the leather steeds they ride
They have come to take your life
On through the dead of night
With the four Horsemen ride
Or choose your fate and die

Time
has taken its toll on you
The lines that crack your face
Famine
Your body it has torn through
Withered in every place
Pestilence
For what you have had to endure
And what you have put others through
Death
Deliverence for you for sure
There is nothing you can do

So gather round young warriors now
and saddle up your steeds
Killing scores with demon swords
Now is the death of doers of wrong
Swing the judgement hammer down
Safely inside armor blood guts and sweat

The Horsemen are drawing nearer
On the leather steeds they ride
They have come to take your life
On through the dead of night
With the four Horsemen ride
Or choose your fate and die

Just the Village Idiot · 10-26-2002, 03:58 PM

This shit is funny -- fact of the matter remains someone repeatedly didn't follow thehun's TOS.

Response: img src.

Response: redirect that img src to gfy to draw attention to the illegal activity.

Brilliant!

But you are a cheating fuck TGPkiller -- so don't take this the wrong way.

jimmyf · 10-26-2002, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

dumbest arguement I've ever heard. Obviously you smoke crack.

A comparable example of what the hun did to paysites (and he did nothing, paysites make a FORTUNE from him) would be what cor did to the hun with worldsex and everyone else with larger and more specialized TGPs.

I wouldn't bother SD this guy Incognito is as much of an *IDOIT* as that TGPkiller guy. use-less shit's, both of them.

I wouldn't Piss on'm if there gut's wereon fire.

jimmyf · 10-26-2002, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Mortimer
Have you ever heard of grc.com? The guy is a security expert, and he once got hit by a "script kiddie" because the kid wanted to prove he could bring him down. Believe me, the guy did all he could to protect his website, but there was nothing he could do against the attacks. It is a pretty interesting story, makes you think twice before challenging someone you don't know...

You are a dumb fuck 2. Gibson is *FAR FAR* for being a security expert. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground Pin Head

I guess you believe every thing you read don't you dip shit. Hold it here...Are you a Dip Shit or A Pin Head? Let's think here now.........think.........think.........think..... ....think.........think.........think.........thin k.........think....... you are both...

Matt 26z · 10-26-2002, 04:42 PM

This whole fiasco just comes down to Gallery Makers VS Tgp Owners.

I personally find it comical that TGP owners would cry about gallery makers screwing them over a little bit. All TGP's are built on the gallery makers work, and NOBODY can deny that. Yet almost all TGP's implement countless rules designed to decrease gallery sales, and increase main page TGP sales. All at the expense of the gallery maker.

Theo · 10-26-2002, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty

Greek? Why did I think you are Aussie?

You can hear the new song at
http://www.philcollins.co.uk/

thanks, I'll check it now.

hehehe, you confuses me with Aussie_Rebel
Both rebels,we are kind of cousins here :-)

Mortimer · 10-26-2002, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
You are a dumb fuck 2. Gibson is *FAR FAR* for being a security expert. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground Pin Head I guess you believe every thing you read don't you dip shit. Hold it here...Are you a Dip Shit or A Pin Head? Let's think here now.........think.........think.........think..... ....think.........think.........think.........thin k.........think....... you are both...

What the hell was that for??? I don't understand why you suddendly bash me because I said that I wouldn't mess with skilled people because I wouldn't like having to deal with those kind of things. If you think that's stupid, good for you... As far as Gibson being a security expert or not, I have no fucking clue to tell you honestly, but I know he offers a lot of infos about security stuff related to our operating system on his website. I am not geek enough to know who the "real" security experts are and who are not. Sorry if that offends you... One thing's for sure, you really have a strange way to answer to people by calling them "dumb fuck", "pinhead", or "dip shit". Well, I guess it's easier to just start bashing on someone than trying to see what they are trying to say.

Anyway, after you read my message in the first place, if you really got the impression that I was defending that tgp killer guy, you should have reread it a second time to simply understand that I was simply trying to tell people it can be dangerous to mess with that kind of people when you are the one with everything to lose and not them.

Anyway, I guess I know where I won't buy any content ever. I prefer to deal with people that know how to act professionally...

Edit: Sorry, I thought you were a content producer... I guess I simply won't promote your program ever then... Same thing in the end...

Rose Crans · 10-27-2002, 01:20 AM

I heard what you said
the leaders are dead

now they're robbing the skies
you can hear the followers cry

we are starlings in the slipstream
starlings in the slipstream

the language of influence
is cluttered with hard, hard c's
I put a spycam in a sorrority

darlings on the split screen
darlings on the split screen

there are no women in alaska
no creoles in vermont
there's no coast of Nebraska
my mother I forgot

slavic princess with a rose in her teeth
do you suppose
she would bite you if she could
insane cobra split the wood

trader of a lowland breed
call a jitney drive away
in the slipstream we will stay
stay away away away....

PersianKitty · 10-27-2002, 01:49 AM

Look, if you had one shot or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment
Would you capture it or just let it slip ?

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment you own it you better never let it go, oh
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
Cuz opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo
You better lose yourself in the music
The moment you own it you better never let it go, oh
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
Cuz opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo
You better

::waiting for Labret to comment on this one::

^R3K^ · 10-27-2002, 02:29 AM

Those are some tight lyrics on that new cd..

I'm actually starting to think the movie is going to be good

;)

Quote:

Originally posted by PersianKitty
Look, if you had one shot or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment
Would you capture it or just let it slip ?

You better lose yourself in the music
The moment you own it you better never let it go, oh
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
Cuz opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo
You better lose yourself in the music
The moment you own it you better never let it go, oh
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
Cuz opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo
You better

::waiting for Labret to comment on this one::

Aussie Rebel · 10-27-2002, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PersianKitty

Greek? Why did I think you are Aussie?

You can hear the new song at
http://www.philcollins.co.uk/

You might of mistaken my greek cousin for me

MadCat · 10-27-2002, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Incognito

Hmm...

It's not entirely true. It's not impossible to protect - it's just way too expensive.
Look at microsoft.com - they dont go down every day do they? And they are probably target number 1 for most hackers around.

The thing is that there are things out there called DDOSes and it's impossible to be protected against them with people and software only. And hardware which does the trick - costs money and quite a lot. Half way serious stuff can easily cost around 15 000$.

That's why I hate seeing Hun image sourcing people.

Now, back to the subject.

Guys please dont come after me, that's for those of You who doe.

I dont support every russian cheater or any other cheater for the matter.

I only support people when I FEEL that they are right. In this case, I cant say that TGP killer is right. I'd even say that I myself wont do such a thing ever. But I also should point out that I dont see where Hun is better. And what's worse , since TGP killer is not hiding or anything and Hun has double standarts all over I'd say that from my point of view Hun is worse.

yeah right,

you are the owner of http://www.crutop.nu - the biggest russian adult webmaster board where most of the people who atack Hun reside. and you do support them.

Toxictoy · 10-27-2002, 06:33 AM

Point is though that the attacker is in Russia. What is the Hun supposed to do in this case? Sue them? I don't think so. The problem is that everyone acknowledges the need for something to be done about these lowlife cheating webmasters and then when someone with a LOT of traffic and power does do something - everyone is complaining. The Hun seemed to have plenty of proof before starting on this venture that the guy was repeatedly caught redirecting to rape and CP sites. That affects the quality of his site and his bookmarkers.

I have some of my domains hosted at exmasters - well recently I started submitting galleries from one of the domains and got a nice message from Call-Kelly that the whole of my subnet was blacklisted. I wrote to Call-Kelly and the webmaster apologized but said that someone that was also hosted with many many domains at exmasters was repeatedly redirecting traffic to CP and rape sites (sound familiar?) therefore the webmaster of Call-Kelly apologized but said I could submit from my other host. I contacted Exmasters and they said they wanted to know the name of the webmaster - I told them to write to Call-Kelly. Basically you can see that this guy is affecting not only the Hun but all the other big players as well.

See how this ends up affecting everyone's business?

TGPKiller · 10-27-2002, 07:10 AM

Guys, you don't get something very important.

You don't have a problem of one person, or two persons, or ten persons... You have thousands of people, who don't like what TGPs doing (giving out free porn), and have already powerful software to redirect traffic... those people not only in Russia, also in other countries. And every new day a lot of new people start redirecting TGP traffic professionally. You can't do anything with thousands of people - this is the problem. TGP killing this business, and there are now a lot of people who are trying to make problems for TGP, and make money from that.

Nobody is trying to make problem for paysites, usual linklists, TGP2, free sites with lots of adverstize, etc, etc... Only TGPs are on fire. There is some reason I guess...

That's hundreds of different servers, hundreds of ISP... Russia, USA, Canada, Europe, and others...

You want hotlink each of them? If such guy redirects Hun's traffic not on the GFY, but on the yahoo.com for example, or better whitehouse.gov ... and these guys see only Hun's refs on their logs... you think they gonna care that Hun is the biggest TGP on the world? I don't think so.

That's not what I'm going to do (for example), but there might be one of those thousands guys who is going to do that.

Hun's actions are very dangerous for him, for GFY, for everyone.

You can't fight thousands of people who disagree with your view of adult business by terroristic acts (that's what hotlink is...)

Think about it.

Incognito · 10-27-2002, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by Toxictoy
Point is though that the attacker is in Russia. What is the Hun supposed to do in this case? Sue them? I don't think so. The problem is that everyone acknowledges the need for something to be done about these lowlife cheating webmasters and then when someone with a LOT of traffic and power does do something - everyone is complaining. The Hun seemed to have plenty of proof before starting on this venture that the guy was repeatedly caught redirecting to rape and CP sites. That affects the quality of his site and his bookmarkers.

I have some of my domains hosted at exmasters - well recently I started submitting galleries from one of the domains and got a nice message from Call-Kelly that the whole of my subnet was blacklisted. I wrote to Call-Kelly and the webmaster apologized but said that someone that was also hosted with many many domains at exmasters was repeatedly redirecting traffic to CP and rape sites (sound familiar?) therefore the webmaster of Call-Kelly apologized but said I could submit from my other host. I contacted Exmasters and they said they wanted to know the name of the webmaster - I told them to write to Call-Kelly. Basically you can see that this guy is affecting not only the Hun but all the other big players as well.

See how this ends up affecting everyone's business?

Well the Hun had the rape himself , am I wrong?
And , what's more important, stick to the facts please, TGP killer didnt have CP, please dont throw this shit at us russians all the fucking time.

Most of us never dealt with it through all our lives and despise it much more than You do because since it's always associated with russians it hurts our business a lot. And I shouldnt probably mention that most known CP webmasters in the world who were put to jail actually for 1300+ years, longest term ever, are all americans.
(Keyz.com - Landsville)

Anyway, what You're saying is that it's ok for Hun to img. source people he cant get otherwise. Right? Because those people are cheaters and hurt TGP industry quite a bit? Right?
Well the TGP cheaters are doing just the same as Hun does with his img. source. They are attacking TGPs who hurt the whole online adult industry with the only way possible since they cant get them otherwise - they steal their traffic.

Listen, once again, I dont SUPPORT a shit here. I sympathise TGPkiller more because he is generally more open and honest then Hun is and stays away from double standarts, otherwise their business essentially is gaining money on other people's money loss , Huns TGP kills sales a great deal, TGP killer is killing Huns sales, so fucking what? Isnt it equal?

Your only problem is that generally Hun is a respected member of Your society. Otherwise You'd be all saying just the same what I say because we're all quite reasonable people here.

Any more questions?

DarkJedi · 10-27-2002, 07:21 AM

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Originally posted by TGPKiller
Guys, you don't get something very important.

You don't have a problem of one person, or two persons, or ten persons... You have thousands of people, who don't like what TGPs doing (giving out free porn), and have already powerful software to redirect traffic... those people not only in Russia, also in other countries. And every new day a lot of new people start redirecting TGP traffic professionally. You can't do anything with thousands of people - this is the problem. TGP killing this business, and there are now a lot of people who are trying to make problems for TGP, and make money from that.

Nobody is trying to make problem for paysites, usual linklists, TGP2, free sites with lots of adverstize, etc, etc... Only TGPs are on fire. There is some reason I guess...

That's hundreds of different servers, hundreds of ISP... Russia, USA, Canada, Europe, and others...

You want hotlink each of them? If such guy redirects Hun's traffic not on the GFY, but on the yahoo.com for example, or better whitehouse.gov ... and these guys see only Hun's refs on their logs... you think they gonna care that Hun is the biggest TGP on the world? I don't think so.

That's not what I'm going to do (for example), but there might be one of those thousands guys who is going to do that.

Hun's actions are very dangerous for him, for GFY, for everyone.

You can't fight thousands of people who disagree with your view of adult business by terroristic acts (that's what hotlink is...)

Think about it.

Hooray !!

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quiet · 10-27-2002, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

Hooray !!

http://www.geocities.com/redencyclopedia/guevara.htm

che is a very intelligent man.

Incognito · 10-27-2002, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by MadCat

yeah right,

you are the owner of http://www.crutop.nu - the biggest russian adult webmaster board where most of the people who atack Hun reside. and you do support them.

Listen Mad Dog , does it fucking matter to me who the fuck are You?
Does it matter to me in a fucking polite discussion who the fuck the Hun is?
Do I know who JimmyF or SD are?

No I dont, and I dont fucking care - it's an internet forum for fucks sake. I read what they all say and respond with my arguments. If You can beat my arguments and even if I am mister Putin himself I'll tell You "Please excuse me for my mistake".
As easy as that.

And when people clearly dont have arguments and post insults instead - that just makes everyone see who's right or wrong faster and makes the thread live longer. Period.

P.S. On the other hand if I was Putin I'd fucking nuke You. Just for fun...

DarkJedi · 10-27-2002, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

che is a very intelligent man.

no doubt man !!

The Hun · 10-27-2002, 07:54 AM

So... I have double standards? Hm... initeresting point Mr -yes-I-attacked-no-I-didn't-oh-where-did-that-redirect-came-from Innocence... Damn, I've rarely seen people twist and turn this often to defend themselves. Together with Mr. Incognuts here I saw some very lame arguments... I think since this post started you two have proven to everybody here how impossible it is to have a civilised conversation with either one of you.

In the mean time I did some investigating in the page he's redirecting traffic to. Some interesting details there, accounts with sponsor programs and all. Here's a few I found (and if you're in contact with these sponsors, please bring this post to their attention):

http://clickcash.webpower.com/SetPer...w=unc ensored

Quote from another page: Hi, my name is Anna. I am the middle child, with sisters, one older and one younger. Both my
parents are still married. My story happened 5 years ago when I was 15. My older sister, Maria, was 18 and my younger sister, Nataly, was 14. Now I'm 18 and currently a student....
Then a link labeled as follows: Dad fucks his daughters
My first anal sex with dad
First time anal, linking to http://www.fatclicks.com/cgi/click.c...m/secret.html. What about your "no CP" comment now Mr. Incognuts? Mr. Innocent isn't proving to be very smart either... story happened 5 years ago when I was 15, now I'm 18... hm...

Dialers all over, but I don't think reporting those here will do any good (I reported to them before, didn't make any difference)...

In the mean time more submissions come in from you Mr. Drawnsex. I think it's about time to please a public announcement on my site to see if any of the 1.6 million visitors of my site wants to have a little fun with your server. You just won't learn the easy way, do you? STOP SUBMITTING TO MY SITE!!! Now for everybody that wants to keep their blacklist updated, this is what came in the past hours:

http://www.thebestxxxporno.com/tsgal07/tsgal07.html
http://myteengirls.org/v27/t.htm
http://www.militarybeauties.com/001928/thehun.html
http://www.missamericaxxx.com/1028/index.html
http://www.xibang.com/teen1/teengallery.html
http://groooveslut.com/amat_2/our_real_amateurs_.html
http://www.gold-mature.net/mature09/olders.htm
http://forgallery.com/hotelsex/index05.htm
http://www.porno-777.com/s14/tgp14.html
http://www.fucking-house.com/toons029/super.html
http://www.hardcorejane.com/preview/p013/thehun.html
http://forgallery.com/teenfucking/teen.htm

Still I remember making one simple request: S-T-O-P S-U-B-M-I-T-T-I-N-G T-O M-Y S-I-T-E... Simple request. Please comply...

TGPKiller · 10-27-2002, 08:05 AM

Hun, are you sure that's me? :D

You think I'm sitting here, posting messages on the GFY, doing other things and all the time during this I keep posting pages to your site?

That's interesting logic.

The link you posted about some girl or something like that - it has nothing to do with me, and I don't know those sponsors.
I never had anything with CP, never adverstized this, etc...

And about attack - yes, that WASN'T me. You can ask Lensman. There was some page on my server, from which here was coming "3 hits per our", but I didn't even know about this, untill people told me that.

If I'd like to do attack - that wouldn't be 3 hits per hour. When you, Hun, attack someone, is that 3 hits per hour?

TGPKiller · 10-27-2002, 08:12 AM

Let me repeat one thing again.

If someone is redirecting your traffic - that doesn't mean it's ME.
I told you already, THOUSANDS of people don't like TGP business, they got weapon in their hands, and they are redirecting your traffic. It's dumb posting those CP links or descriptions here and say that's me. This may be ANYONE. If you find CP link and you know who it is - you don't post it on the boards, you report this to the organisations and guy says goodbye to his server. The problem is - I'm not this guy.

The Hun · 10-27-2002, 08:13 AM

The text about 'some girl' was taken from http://www.drawnsex.com/xxx/harryred/index.htm. Does that domain sound familiar? Or was this done by 'someone else' again who you now will talk to?

Theo · 10-27-2002, 08:16 AM

what's up aussie cousin? :-)

i was ready to ask from Meni to call J.Jameson and make some posts here and skyrocket the topic again, but i'll keep it for the next target (the 30pages) since the 20 now look realistic!

I don't like the DOS attack as a solution. I have one of my domains in a v.server that last week was under attack for 2 whole days by some tgp webmasters. Two days down I lost a significant amount of money because someone wanted to play a game....

It's just me against tha World

ooohhhhh ooohhhhh

just me against tha world baby

ohhhhhh ohhhhhh

I got nothin' ta lose
it's just me against tha world

ohhhhh

stuck in tha game
me against tha world baby

Can you picture my prophecy?
stress in tha city
tha cops is hot for me
tha projects is full of bullets
tha bodies is droppin'
there ain't no stoppin me
constantly moven while maken millions
witnessin' killins
leavin dead bodies in abandoned buildings
caries tha children
cause they're illin'
addicted to killin'

Joe Sixpack · 10-27-2002, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

che is a very intelligent man.

WAS a very intelligent man.

stevent03147 · 10-27-2002, 08:23 AM

Maybe you should try paying the webmasters you are ripping off and the Hun will leave you alone you fucking piece of shit.

quiet · 10-27-2002, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

WAS a very intelligent man.

no, he's still a very intelligent man. dying didn't kill his ideas. but sure, he's dead ;)

stevent03147 · 10-27-2002, 08:24 AM

Go Fuck YourSelf Asshole(s)

TGPKiller · 10-27-2002, 08:26 AM

Hun, I don't see this text there now.

And I doon't believe that CP description was there... but I'll talk with the guys who used my domain to send "3 hits per hour" on GFY.
I don't deal with CP, I don't deal with people who deal with CP, and I'm not going to do that in the further...

What you posted here is not CP description... that's incest. I don't find incest illegal. If there was not anything more than what you posted here - this is usual incest description, whithout any CP. And this leads to a mainstream sponsor (not my account, btw) which doesn't deal with CP...

And what you don't like in "dad fucks his daughters". You can find such descriptions on TGP. Daughters may be 60 years old

If you seen CP there - tell me about this. If you've seen just incest description and call this CP - this is just lying.

Incognito · 10-27-2002, 08:37 AM

Hun, You guys are really equal and every Your comment is showing this again and again.
As always Your double standarts are at it's highest.

By the way, I just went on Your site again, and guess what, rape's again here:
http://www.pornmoviesx.com/tour/h/

The banner is:
http://www.tgpman.com/banner/hunv.gif

Kick Your email or something, Your internal notes obviously dont work.

About Your points:

1. So where's CP?
A 15 year old girl who is now 18 , a lousy ad text message, which redirects to a perfectly legal sponsor? Right?

Here's what's in PAYED ADs on Your server right now, again:
http://www.seventeenlive.com/domenique.html

The heading of the index page of the paysite says:

Seventeen Live, 30 sexcams, 24/7 live lolita sex chat with clubseventeen lolitas

yes, I know by THEIR laws 17 y.o. is legal right?

Or they are said to be 17 y.o. and in real life they are 18? Right?
Not much harm done there right?
I mean I saw this question raised millions of times already.

My question is: How can You be picky about that description which leads to a perfectly legal sponsor and on the same time one of Your main sponsors in fact is called www.seventeenlive.com and doesnt even have any wording there that models are over 18. May be even models are 17?

2. P.S.
Here's the ad You wanted to comment:

"Hi, my name is Anna. I am the middle child, with sisters, one older and one younger. Both my
parents are still married. My story happened 5 years ago when I was 15. My older sister, Maria, was 18 and my younger sister, Nataly, was 14. Now I'm 18 and currently a student....
Then a link labeled as follows: Dad fucks his daughters
My first anal sex with dad
First time anal, linking to http://www.fatclicks.com/cgi/click....om/secret.html. What about your "no CP" comment now Mr. Incognuts? Mr. Innocent isn't proving to be very smart either... story happened 5 years ago when I was 15, now I'm 18... hm... "

Er, Hun, I might miss something here and even if I do, I still am pretty sure that in terms of CP fighting if I were You and wouldnt practice double standarts, I'd remove seventeenlive.com first since the sponsor Fatclicks, that description is leading to has girls over 18 which is said all over there, but...

I'm sorry, where does it say there that the "story which happened 5 years ago" is in fact the first time anal sex with father?

So, talk about double standarts mr. Hun-dont know - how my - internal notes- work.

You got rape fantasy there and You got 17 y,o, girls and You're still the moral guy!
Great!

The Hun · 10-27-2002, 09:10 AM

Oh, there we go again. Club 17 is 18+, nowhere there are they claiming to have 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads. It's pathetic, close to even funny, how you're trying to proof my 'double standards'... listen, I don't cheat on people. Simple. No double standard. I don't post ads about 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads. I don't redirect people.

I understand you are jealous and all that I make money that you feel should be yours. Fine. That's the nice thing about an open market. But I don't go around scewing your customers do I? I don't go deliberately cheating you by sending you stuff and bend the rules to my liking later, do I? Like I said, I'm done talking with you. I came to the conclusion there's really no arguing with people who think they can not be wrong about something. You people are so much living in your own world that you simply don't care who you screw over for a dime, do you?

And then to think these dumbo's could be making twice as much as they do now the honest way. They're going for half an hour of being listed on my site while they could be going for a whole year of traffic... Strikes me to see people with these talents can be so dumb at the same time

TGPKiller · 10-27-2002, 09:12 AM

Okay, I found those page which you quoted... there is nothing about CP, only incest description and "40,000 of TEENS pics", and link to teen sponsor (not pre-teen).

Hun, better watch your site and don't say that everyone who you don't like deals with CP... YOU are dealing with CP by US laws (for example), and YOU are dealing with fantasy rape...

Fletch XXX · 10-27-2002, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
I understand you are jealous and all that I make money that you feel should be yours.

I love this line.

Nice.

TGPKiller · 10-27-2002, 09:14 AM

" I don't post ads about 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads."

Is there a day when you stop lying? In this ad girl says she is 18, she is the student, and you can watch her first anal experience.

This ad doesn't say this anal experience was when she was 15.

There is nothing about CP...

Stop lying.

Addition.

And this is NOT aboyt making biggest money in cheating way as you say, this is also about HURTING TGP industry, which is KILLING this business, lowers conversions and sales.

That is why so many talented people (that's your words, not mine) doing business in this way. Because they don't like what you've done with adult business by posting free, high quality, porn. That's not only money, that's also RIGHT in our opinion, whatever you think or say. And you are not better, you are worse, with your hotlink stuff, lying about CP, etc...

May be I'm not the nicest person, but you are not even close to nice person. You are just a guy who giving out tons of quality free porn stealing money from other webmaster's pocket, hotlinking everyone who violating his TOS, and thinking he is a GOD.

If you think you'll be this up whole of your life - you are wrong.
You can't stop THOUSANDS of people who DISAGREE with your egoistic, fatal to the business and just dumb behavior.

Easy · 10-27-2002, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hun
http://forgallery.com/teenfucking/teen.htm

nice..... where can I buy that content?????

quiet · 10-27-2002, 09:22 AM

five hundred ways to die. choose one.

10-26-2002, 03:53 PM	#465
GFED Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8,098	By the last breath of the fourth winds blow Better raise your ears The sound of hooves knocks at your door Lock up your wife and children now It's time to wield the blade For now you have got some company The Horsemen are drawing nearer On the leather steeds they ride They have come to take your life On through the dead of night With the four Horsemen ride Or choose your fate and die You have been dying since the day You were born You know it has all been planned The quartet of deliverence rides A sinner once a sinner twice No need for confession now Cause now you have got the fight of your life The Horsemen are drawing nearer On the leather steeds they ride They have come to take your life On through the dead of night With the four Horsemen ride Or choose your fate and die Time has taken its toll on you The lines that crack your face Famine Your body it has torn through Withered in every place Pestilence For what you have had to endure And what you have put others through Death Deliverence for you for sure There is nothing you can do So gather round young warriors now and saddle up your steeds Killing scores with demon swords Now is the death of doers of wrong Swing the judgement hammer down Safely inside armor blood guts and sweat The Horsemen are drawing nearer On the leather steeds they ride They have come to take your life On through the dead of night With the four Horsemen ride Or choose your fate and die __________________ https://www.flow.page/savethechildren

10-27-2002, 06:33 AM	#477
Toxictoy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: In the Ferret Lair Posts: 81	Point is though that the attacker is in Russia. What is the Hun supposed to do in this case? Sue them? I don't think so. The problem is that everyone acknowledges the need for something to be done about these lowlife cheating webmasters and then when someone with a LOT of traffic and power does do something - everyone is complaining. The Hun seemed to have plenty of proof before starting on this venture that the guy was repeatedly caught redirecting to rape and CP sites. That affects the quality of his site and his bookmarkers. I have some of my domains hosted at exmasters - well recently I started submitting galleries from one of the domains and got a nice message from Call-Kelly that the whole of my subnet was blacklisted. I wrote to Call-Kelly and the webmaster apologized but said that someone that was also hosted with many many domains at exmasters was repeatedly redirecting traffic to CP and rape sites (sound familiar?) therefore the webmaster of Call-Kelly apologized but said I could submit from my other host. I contacted Exmasters and they said they wanted to know the name of the webmaster - I told them to write to Call-Kelly. Basically you can see that this guy is affecting not only the Hun but all the other big players as well. See how this ends up affecting everyone's business? Last edited by Toxictoy; 10-27-2002 at 06:35 AM..

10-27-2002, 08:23 AM	#490
stevent03147 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Putnam, Ct USA Posts: 58	Maybe you should try paying the webmasters you are ripping off and the Hun will leave you alone you fucking piece of shit. __________________ PerfectPanties.com

10-27-2002, 08:24 AM	#492
stevent03147 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Putnam, Ct USA Posts: 58	Go Fuck YourSelf Asshole(s) __________________ PerfectPanties.com

10-27-2002, 08:26 AM	#493
TGPKiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Hun, I don't see this text there now. And I doon't believe that CP description was there... but I'll talk with the guys who used my domain to send "3 hits per hour" on GFY. I don't deal with CP, I don't deal with people who deal with CP, and I'm not going to do that in the further... What you posted here is not CP description... that's incest. I don't find incest illegal. If there was not anything more than what you posted here - this is usual incest description, whithout any CP. And this leads to a mainstream sponsor (not my account, btw) which doesn't deal with CP... And what you don't like in "dad fucks his daughters". You can find such descriptions on TGP. Daughters may be 60 years old If you seen CP there - tell me about this. If you've seen just incest description and call this CP - this is just lying. Last edited by TGPKiller; 10-27-2002 at 08:37 AM..

10-26-2002, 10:56 AM	#451
PersianKitty Meow Media Inc. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the valley of the sun, cactus, tacos, tequila, and nod Posts: 7,785	450 Lens... no fair... my kids swiped the DVD player I won from ARS. I need one in my office.

10-26-2002, 02:10 PM	#462
Mortimer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the hell am I now? Posts: 153	I'm sure he would, but that doesn't change the fact that his website would be down, and his revenues gone... He'd still be the one losing in all of this...

10-26-2002, 02:12 PM	#463
Mortimer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Where the hell am I now? Posts: 153	Have you ever heard of grc.com? The guy is a security expert, and he once got hit by a "script kiddie" because the kid wanted to prove he could bring him down. Believe me, the guy did all he could to protect his website, but there was nothing he could do against the attacks. It is a pretty interesting story, makes you think twice before challenging someone you don't know...

10-26-2002, 03:58 PM	#466
Just the Village Idiot Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 581	This shit is funny -- fact of the matter remains someone repeatedly didn't follow thehun's TOS. Response: img src. Response: redirect that img src to gfy to draw attention to the illegal activity. Brilliant! But you are a cheating fuck TGPkiller -- so don't take this the wrong way.

10-26-2002, 04:42 PM	#469
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	This whole fiasco just comes down to Gallery Makers VS Tgp Owners. I personally find it comical that TGP owners would cry about gallery makers screwing them over a little bit. All TGP's are built on the gallery makers work, and NOBODY can deny that. Yet almost all TGP's implement countless rules designed to decrease gallery sales, and increase main page TGP sales. All at the expense of the gallery maker.

10-27-2002, 01:20 AM	#472
Rose Crans Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334	I heard what you said the leaders are dead now they're robbing the skies you can hear the followers cry we are starlings in the slipstream starlings in the slipstream the language of influence is cluttered with hard, hard c's I put a spycam in a sorrority darlings on the split screen darlings on the split screen there are no women in alaska no creoles in vermont there's no coast of Nebraska my mother I forgot slavic princess with a rose in her teeth do you suppose she would bite you if she could insane cobra split the wood trader of a lowland breed call a jitney drive away in the slipstream we will stay stay away away away....

10-27-2002, 01:49 AM	#473
PersianKitty Meow Media Inc. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the valley of the sun, cactus, tacos, tequila, and nod Posts: 7,785	Look, if you had one shot or one opportunity To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment Would you capture it or just let it slip ? You better lose yourself in the music The moment you own it you better never let it go, oh You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow Cuz opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo You better lose yourself in the music The moment you own it you better never let it go, oh You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow Cuz opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo You better ::waiting for Labret to comment on this one::

10-27-2002, 07:10 AM	#478
TGPKiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Guys, you don't get something very important. You don't have a problem of one person, or two persons, or ten persons... You have thousands of people, who don't like what TGPs doing (giving out free porn), and have already powerful software to redirect traffic... those people not only in Russia, also in other countries. And every new day a lot of new people start redirecting TGP traffic professionally. You can't do anything with thousands of people - this is the problem. TGP killing this business, and there are now a lot of people who are trying to make problems for TGP, and make money from that. Nobody is trying to make problem for paysites, usual linklists, TGP2, free sites with lots of adverstize, etc, etc... Only TGPs are on fire. There is some reason I guess... That's hundreds of different servers, hundreds of ISP... Russia, USA, Canada, Europe, and others... You want hotlink each of them? If such guy redirects Hun's traffic not on the GFY, but on the yahoo.com for example, or better whitehouse.gov ... and these guys see only Hun's refs on their logs... you think they gonna care that Hun is the biggest TGP on the world? I don't think so. That's not what I'm going to do (for example), but there might be one of those thousands guys who is going to do that. Hun's actions are very dangerous for him, for GFY, for everyone. You can't fight thousands of people who disagree with your view of adult business by terroristic acts (that's what hotlink is...) Think about it.

10-27-2002, 07:54 AM	#484
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	So... I have double standards? Hm... initeresting point Mr -yes-I-attacked-no-I-didn't-oh-where-did-that-redirect-came-from Innocence... Damn, I've rarely seen people twist and turn this often to defend themselves. Together with Mr. Incognuts here I saw some very lame arguments... I think since this post started you two have proven to everybody here how impossible it is to have a civilised conversation with either one of you. In the mean time I did some investigating in the page he's redirecting traffic to. Some interesting details there, accounts with sponsor programs and all. Here's a few I found (and if you're in contact with these sponsors, please bring this post to their attention): http://clickcash.webpower.com/SetPer...w=unc ensored Quote from another page: Hi, my name is Anna. I am the middle child, with sisters, one older and one younger. Both my parents are still married. My story happened 5 years ago when I was 15. My older sister, Maria, was 18 and my younger sister, Nataly, was 14. Now I'm 18 and currently a student.... Then a link labeled as follows: Dad fucks his daughters My first anal sex with dad First time anal, linking to http://www.fatclicks.com/cgi/click.c...m/secret.html. What about your "no CP" comment now Mr. Incognuts? Mr. Innocent isn't proving to be very smart either... story happened 5 years ago when I was 15, now I'm 18... hm... Dialers all over, but I don't think reporting those here will do any good (I reported to them before, didn't make any difference)... In the mean time more submissions come in from you Mr. Drawnsex. I think it's about time to please a public announcement on my site to see if any of the 1.6 million visitors of my site wants to have a little fun with your server. You just won't learn the easy way, do you? STOP SUBMITTING TO MY SITE!!! Now for everybody that wants to keep their blacklist updated, this is what came in the past hours: http://www.thebestxxxporno.com/tsgal07/tsgal07.html http://myteengirls.org/v27/t.htm http://www.militarybeauties.com/001928/thehun.html http://www.missamericaxxx.com/1028/index.html http://www.xibang.com/teen1/teengallery.html http://groooveslut.com/amat_2/our_real_amateurs_.html http://www.gold-mature.net/mature09/olders.htm http://forgallery.com/hotelsex/index05.htm http://www.porno-777.com/s14/tgp14.html http://www.fucking-house.com/toons029/super.html http://www.hardcorejane.com/preview/p013/thehun.html http://forgallery.com/teenfucking/teen.htm Still I remember making one simple request: S-T-O-P S-U-B-M-I-T-T-I-N-G T-O M-Y S-I-T-E... Simple request. Please comply...

10-27-2002, 08:05 AM	#485
TGPKiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Hun, are you sure that's me? :D You think I'm sitting here, posting messages on the GFY, doing other things and all the time during this I keep posting pages to your site? That's interesting logic. The link you posted about some girl or something like that - it has nothing to do with me, and I don't know those sponsors. I never had anything with CP, never adverstized this, etc... And about attack - yes, that WASN'T me. You can ask Lensman. There was some page on my server, from which here was coming "3 hits per our", but I didn't even know about this, untill people told me that. If I'd like to do attack - that wouldn't be 3 hits per hour. When you, Hun, attack someone, is that 3 hits per hour?

10-27-2002, 08:12 AM	#486
TGPKiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Let me repeat one thing again. If someone is redirecting your traffic - that doesn't mean it's ME. I told you already, THOUSANDS of people don't like TGP business, they got weapon in their hands, and they are redirecting your traffic. It's dumb posting those CP links or descriptions here and say that's me. This may be ANYONE. If you find CP link and you know who it is - you don't post it on the boards, you report this to the organisations and guy says goodbye to his server. The problem is - I'm not this guy.

10-27-2002, 08:13 AM	#487
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	The text about 'some girl' was taken from http://www.drawnsex.com/xxx/harryred/index.htm. Does that domain sound familiar? Or was this done by 'someone else' again who you now will talk to?

10-27-2002, 08:16 AM	#488
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	what's up aussie cousin? :-) i was ready to ask from Meni to call J.Jameson and make some posts here and skyrocket the topic again, but i'll keep it for the next target (the 30pages) since the 20 now look realistic! I don't like the DOS attack as a solution. I have one of my domains in a v.server that last week was under attack for 2 whole days by some tgp webmasters. Two days down I lost a significant amount of money because someone wanted to play a game.... It's just me against tha World ooohhhhh ooohhhhh just me against tha world baby ohhhhhh ohhhhhh I got nothin' ta lose it's just me against tha world ohhhhh stuck in tha game me against tha world baby Can you picture my prophecy? stress in tha city tha cops is hot for me tha projects is full of bullets tha bodies is droppin' there ain't no stoppin me constantly moven while maken millions witnessin' killins leavin dead bodies in abandoned buildings caries tha children cause they're illin' addicted to killin'

10-27-2002, 08:37 AM	#494
Incognito Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: RU Posts: 371	Hun, You guys are really equal and every Your comment is showing this again and again. As always Your double standarts are at it's highest. By the way, I just went on Your site again, and guess what, rape's again here: http://www.pornmoviesx.com/tour/h/ The banner is: http://www.tgpman.com/banner/hunv.gif Kick Your email or something, Your internal notes obviously dont work. About Your points: 1. So where's CP? A 15 year old girl who is now 18 , a lousy ad text message, which redirects to a perfectly legal sponsor? Right? Here's what's in PAYED ADs on Your server right now, again: http://www.seventeenlive.com/domenique.html The heading of the index page of the paysite says: Seventeen Live, 30 sexcams, 24/7 live lolita sex chat with clubseventeen lolitas yes, I know by THEIR laws 17 y.o. is legal right? Or they are said to be 17 y.o. and in real life they are 18? Right? Not much harm done there right? I mean I saw this question raised millions of times already. My question is: How can You be picky about that description which leads to a perfectly legal sponsor and on the same time one of Your main sponsors in fact is called www.seventeenlive.com and doesnt even have any wording there that models are over 18. May be even models are 17? 2. P.S. Here's the ad You wanted to comment: "Hi, my name is Anna. I am the middle child, with sisters, one older and one younger. Both my parents are still married. My story happened 5 years ago when I was 15. My older sister, Maria, was 18 and my younger sister, Nataly, was 14. Now I'm 18 and currently a student.... Then a link labeled as follows: Dad fucks his daughters My first anal sex with dad First time anal, linking to http://www.fatclicks.com/cgi/click....om/secret.html. What about your "no CP" comment now Mr. Incognuts? Mr. Innocent isn't proving to be very smart either... story happened 5 years ago when I was 15, now I'm 18... hm... " Er, Hun, I might miss something here and even if I do, I still am pretty sure that in terms of CP fighting if I were You and wouldnt practice double standarts, I'd remove seventeenlive.com first since the sponsor Fatclicks, that description is leading to has girls over 18 which is said all over there, but... I'm sorry, where does it say there that the "story which happened 5 years ago" is in fact the first time anal sex with father? So, talk about double standarts mr. Hun-dont know - how my - internal notes- work. You got rape fantasy there and You got 17 y,o, girls and You're still the moral guy! Great! __________________ -=almost fucking incognito=-

10-27-2002, 09:10 AM	#495
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Oh, there we go again. Club 17 is 18+, nowhere there are they claiming to have 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads. It's pathetic, close to even funny, how you're trying to proof my 'double standards'... listen, I don't cheat on people. Simple. No double standard. I don't post ads about 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads. I don't redirect people. I understand you are jealous and all that I make money that you feel should be yours. Fine. That's the nice thing about an open market. But I don't go around scewing your customers do I? I don't go deliberately cheating you by sending you stuff and bend the rules to my liking later, do I? Like I said, I'm done talking with you. I came to the conclusion there's really no arguing with people who think they can not be wrong about something. You people are so much living in your own world that you simply don't care who you screw over for a dime, do you? And then to think these dumbo's could be making twice as much as they do now the honest way. They're going for half an hour of being listed on my site while they could be going for a whole year of traffic... Strikes me to see people with these talents can be so dumb at the same time

10-27-2002, 09:12 AM	#496
TGPKiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	Okay, I found those page which you quoted... there is nothing about CP, only incest description and "40,000 of TEENS pics", and link to teen sponsor (not pre-teen). Hun, better watch your site and don't say that everyone who you don't like deals with CP... YOU are dealing with CP by US laws (for example), and YOU are dealing with fantasy rape...

10-27-2002, 09:14 AM	#498
TGPKiller Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 31	" I don't post ads about 15 year old girls fucked in their ass by their dads." Is there a day when you stop lying? In this ad girl says she is 18, she is the student, and you can watch her first anal experience. This ad doesn't say this anal experience was when she was 15. There is nothing about CP... Stop lying. Addition. And this is NOT aboyt making biggest money in cheating way as you say, this is also about HURTING TGP industry, which is KILLING this business, lowers conversions and sales. That is why so many talented people (that's your words, not mine) doing business in this way. Because they don't like what you've done with adult business by posting free, high quality, porn. That's not only money, that's also RIGHT in our opinion, whatever you think or say. And you are not better, you are worse, with your hotlink stuff, lying about CP, etc... May be I'm not the nicest person, but you are not even close to nice person. You are just a guy who giving out tons of quality free porn stealing money from other webmaster's pocket, hotlinking everyone who violating his TOS, and thinking he is a GOD. If you think you'll be this up whole of your life - you are wrong. You can't stop THOUSANDS of people who DISAGREE with your egoistic, fatal to the business and just dumb behavior. Last edited by TGPKiller; 10-27-2002 at 09:19 AM..

10-27-2002, 09:22 AM	#500
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	five hundred ways to die. choose one.