WP Plugin For Reviews

[pamon]

Searched through the older threads and saw a few posts regarding wordpress plugins for review sites. I like the one by Dan Grossman, think it's the WP-Review one, but $99 for a plugin seems a "little" steep. Anyone know of any open source plugins for WP or less expensive ones? I'm all for submitting webmasters and all but a $99 plugin for "one" domain seems high.

Any help appreciated. Reply here or ICQ me. Thanks

[KillerK]

don't be a cheap ass and buy it

[crockett]

Not that I'm a cheap ass, but I never figured out how these companies get away with selling plug-ins or modules for WP. Isn't it against the GPL license to "only" offer it for sale with out also releasing it free for download?

I remember this stuff going on with Joomla and they had to pretty much ban the sale of modules because it broke the GPL license. Not that I'm against someone making money for their work, but I do believe this kinda thing is against the GPL because it isn't a stand alone product and uses wp code. If they don't want to operate under the GPL agreement they shouldn't be writing code for a CMS with that kind of license.

[RTP]

use wp-post ratings then drop the php lines/calls into the areas you want (you can dump rating line anywhere). literally 2 lines of code

[StariaDaniel]

Xavin's Review Ratings could also fit your needs:
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/...eview-ratings/

[Brujah]

You should have posted the link and earned 30% from all the people who would have clicked and will now purchase the plugin from this topic.
http://www.wpreviewsite.com/affiliates

[fris]

custom fields could do the job

[digifan]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not that I'm a cheap ass, but I never figured out how these companies get away with selling plug-ins or modules for WP. Isn't it against the GPL license to "only" offer it for sale with out also releasing it free for download?

I remember this stuff going on with Joomla and they had to pretty much ban the sale of modules because it broke the GPL license. Not that I'm against someone making money for their work, but I do believe this kinda thing is against the GPL because it isn't a stand alone product and uses wp code. If they don't want to operate under the GPL agreement they shouldn't be writing code for a CMS with that kind of license.

Hm, you made me thinking...

[Corleone]

Originally Posted by StariaDaniel

Xavin's Review Ratings could also fit your needs:
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/...eview-ratings/

nice plugin. thanks

[pamon]

thanks to all for the replies. Brujah, going with yours. and yeah, 3 sales of that affiliate link would've gotten me the $90 or so for it. lol... thanks all... gfy rules

[d-null]

Originally Posted by pamon

thanks to all for the replies. Brujah, going with yours............

read this thread and I am confused by your response 'going with Brujah's'?

[d-null]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not that I'm a cheap ass, but I never figured out how these companies get away with selling plug-ins or modules for WP. Isn't it against the GPL license to "only" offer it for sale with out also releasing it free for download?...

curious about where this one falls too

here is the link to the section in the GPL faq that discusses this:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins

"If a program released under the GPL uses plug-ins, what are the requirements for the licenses of a plug-in?
It depends on how the program invokes its plug-ins. If the program uses fork and exec to invoke plug-ins, then the plug-ins are separate programs, so the license for the main program makes no requirements for them.

If the program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program and the plug-ins. This means the plug-ins must be released under the GPL or a GPL-compatible free software license, and that the terms of the GPL must be followed when those plug-ins are distributed.

If the program dynamically links plug-ins, but the communication between them is limited to invoking the ?main? function of the plug-in with some options and waiting for it to return, that is a borderline case."

[Dan Grossman]

Originally Posted by crockett

Not that I'm a cheap ass, but I never figured out how these companies get away with selling plug-ins or modules for WP. Isn't it against the GPL license to "only" offer it for sale with out also releasing it free for download?

Let's take a step back and think that through.

To start with, we have copyright. WordPress, like any other software code of sufficient size to be considered a creative work, is protected by copyright. The author gains the copyright (right to copy) the moment they write the code down. That, under US law and international treaties, gives the author the right to control who gets to make copies of the work.

The GPL, as many other software licenses, is a list of terms and conditions for making copies, aka distributing the code. It starts (beyond the preamble), as follows, just to be clear:

"The precise terms and conditions for copying, distribution and modification follow."

So to be bound by these terms and conditions, you must be copying, distributing or modifying the work. In this case, that means copying, distributing or modifying WordPress. The copyright owner, the creators of WordPress, have no legal control over any activity in your life except making copies (by distributing) their code, as the copyright laws give them that control.

This is why WordPress themes and plugins can be sold. They don't distribute WordPress with their product, so they are not bound by whatever license the copyright holder chooses to use in exchange for giving up their sole right to make copies.

Sure they don't work without WordPress, precisely because they don't include the WordPress code necessary to work. But making calls to add_action() or add_filter() no more makes a collection of functions a distribution of WordPress code as writing the names of a couple novelists in an essay makes that a distribution of those authors' books.

Fun exercise. You should've used an affiliate link, even I noticed the traffic coming from this thread today.

[brassmonkey]

who the hell called him here

[Dan Grossman]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

who the hell called him here

Live web stats, saw the people coming from this thread as they clicked. Not like this is a secret forum anyway, I've lurked on other threads, just decided to register to reply to this one.

[Brujah]

hey Dan, do I get a free copy for linking you?

[fris]

Its a nice plugin

[d-null]

interesting explanation Dan


so are you also saying then that copyright of any software only pertains to the distribution of that software.... in other words there is no legal problem with stealing software and using it as long as you don't distribute it??

[fris]

you can charge for wordpress plugins, no doubt about that, theirs a couple cool paid ones that do quite a bit

[Dan Grossman]

Originally Posted by d-null

interesting explanation Dan


so are you also saying then that copyright of any software only pertains to the distribution of that software.... in other words there is no legal problem with stealing software and using it as long as you don't distribute it??

It's illegal, but for a different reason. You can be sued by the store you stole it from. If you downloaded it online, the software owner could technically sue you to take back the copy, if they can prove you got a copy they didn't authorize (copyright, right to make that copy lied with the author or anyone they licensed that right to). The person you downloaded from, though, is the person liable for copyright infringement.

If you follow the RIAA/MPAA's tens of thousands of copyright lawsuits against music and movie file sharers, you'll notice that they only sue sharers, not downloaders. Only the distributors are making copies, they're the only ones they can go after for violating copyright laws.

[pamon]

added ammo to the thread today I see. good info

Dan.. sent you an email. If I helped with sales in anyway, let me know. A discount or "review" copy will suffice..

[Sands]

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

Let's take a step back and think that through.

To start with, we have copyright. WordPress, like any other software code of sufficient size to be considered a creative work, is protected by copyright. The author gains the copyright (right to copy) the moment they write the code down. That, under US law and international treaties, gives the author the right to control who gets to make copies of the work.

The GPL, as many other software licenses, is a list of terms and conditions for making copies, aka distributing the code. It starts (beyond the preamble), as follows, just to be clear:

"The precise terms and conditions for copying, distribution and modification follow."

So to be bound by these terms and conditions, you must be copying, distributing or modifying the work. In this case, that means copying, distributing or modifying WordPress. The copyright owner, the creators of WordPress, have no legal control over any activity in your life except making copies (by distributing) their code, as the copyright laws give them that control.

This is why WordPress themes and plugins can be sold. They don't distribute WordPress with their product, so they are not bound by whatever license the copyright holder chooses to use in exchange for giving up their sole right to make copies.

Sure they don't work without WordPress, precisely because they don't include the WordPress code necessary to work. But making calls to add_action() or add_filter() no more makes a collection of functions a distribution of WordPress code as writing the names of a couple novelists in an essay makes that a distribution of those authors' books.

Fun exercise. You should've used an affiliate link, even I noticed the traffic coming from this thread today.

Thanks for the explanation, Dan. Very informative!

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by pamon

Searched through the older threads and saw a few posts regarding wordpress plugins for review sites. I like the one by Dan Grossman, think it's the WP-Review one, but $99 for a plugin seems a "little" steep. Anyone know of any open source plugins for WP or less expensive ones? I'm all for submitting webmasters and all but a $99 plugin for "one" domain seems high.

Any help appreciated. Reply here or ICQ me. Thanks

Do you need something like WP-PostRatings plugin? I believe it's freeware

I thought that WP has everything what a review site needs even w/o plugins.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by d-null

interesting explanation Dan


so are you also saying then that copyright of any software only pertains to the distribution of that software.... in other words there is no legal problem with stealing software and using it as long as you don't distribute it??

He said that plugin is not a part of WordPress, and it's absolutely correct. You can consider WP as an operating system like Windows. It doesn't need anything to work and it has API's that can be called by 3rd-party products. For example any, any Windows application (e.g. Photoshop) uses Windows API's to work. The same thing with WP plugins that use WP as their operating system by means of calling the API's.

In other words, if a plugin doesn't use of modify the code of some product, it will be considered as a standalone product like Photoshop FOR Microsoft Windows.

[Brujah]

Come on Dan, we hooked you up. Give us a discount code or something at minimum.

[pamon]

Yeah, I'd like to review it on your tech blog, but at $99 for a plugin, don't think he's giving or discounting many of these.. too bad...

[pamon]

that wp post ratings is nice, figure if ford and others are using it, should be good to go. like dan's but will get together the $$ for a professionally designed review site w/ a proper theme before i'll step up to the $99 plugin. For a lower priced site with unknown traffic, the wp-post ratings will work. thanks all

[Super Negro]

$97 is outrageous, grab it from one of the nulled script sites, I did and it works fine

great plugin, not worth $97 though

[Dan Grossman]

Here's a $20 coupon for the GFY members with a little class:

www [dot] wpreviewsite [dot] com/buy?code=gfy2008

Yeah, I'd like to review it on your tech blog, but at $99 for a plugin, don't think he's giving or discounting many of these.. too bad...

I've given away over 20 review copies so far, it's been covered on about a dozen blogs, and sold over 300 copies the past two months. It comes with free upgrades for life, and in the past two months I've already upgraded it 3 times, with new themes and new features requested by customers. Free to everyone that had bought it.

Sorry I can't link to the coupon above, not enough posts yet, so replace the [dot]s.

[Young]

Shit....I practically started this whole web shit due to advice from Dan at Sitepoint. Instantly recognized the name after at least 7 years. That's some hell of an impression.

[Brujah]

Grab a Multi-Site License here. Add the Premium Theme Pack (4) for only $29
http://www.wpreviewsite.com/

[Hellfire]

Dan, do You have an ICQ? PM me Your UIN please. have some questions. really want to buy it.

[Dan Grossman]

ICQ? Haven't used that in 10 years. It still exists? Just e-mail me.

Brujah's link is a hidden affiliate link, there's a coupon two posts above his.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

Brujah's link is a hidden affiliate link, there's a coupon two posts above his.

I noticed that too, what gall




here is your coupon link for you, no affiliate link:

http://www.wpreviewsite.com/buy?code=gfy2008

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

ICQ? Haven't used that in 10 years. It still exists? Just e-mail me.

Brujah's link is a hidden affiliate link, there's a coupon two posts above his.

So? Are you complaining about it? I purchased the plugin too. Maybe I'll use a free one instead and chargeback if you're a jerk about it.

[kmanrox]

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

ICQ? Haven't used that in 10 years. It still exists? Just e-mail me.

Brujah's link is a hidden affiliate link, there's a coupon two posts above his.

you're a fucking jagoff, ain't ya? why bother having an affiliate program if you're just going to piss on them?

i should post the nulled links here but i won't..

[Dan Grossman]

Didn't know you were cool with trying to play eachother instead of just other people. My mistake.

[fris]

can you get the addons at a later date?

the my ratings and theme packs?

[Lucky Bastard]

bookmarked

[Dan Grossman]

Originally Posted by fris

can you get the addons at a later date?

the my ratings and theme packs?

Yep:
www [dot] wpreviewsite [dot] com/upgrade