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Old 01-04-2009, 04:38 PM   #1
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How much wireless is in your home?

We got a booster antenna for our router this summer, since we started to share our signal with the people one floor up (long story) and set up a second router on their floor as a wireless access point. But ever since then I swear I've been getting more headaches and can't focus as well as I used to. It might be the weather changing or whatever, but there really isn't any conclusive data (that I can find) on the effects of Wi-Fi signals on people. Since the booster antenna is sitting about 8' from my head all day, this is a bit of a concern.

Anyhoo, I was wondering if anyone else experienced the same kind of symptoms (including the paranoia) or if I'm just crazy.

I'm probably just going nuts. I hope I am, I guess...
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Access points use fairly low power but the combination of the booster antenna and the 24/7 aspect could make up for it. I get headaches when I use a mobile phone for more than about 5 minutes.
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Old 01-04-2009, 04:58 PM   #3
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I'm a weirdo but I started getting headaches last year and I paid someone to wire my whole house and I got rid of the wireless.

Like I said, I'm a weirdo but I swear cell phones give me headaches too if I have a long conversation. Luckily most people use bluetooth headsets but I swear one day it will proven how dangerous those radio waves are.
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I'm feeling less crazy already. Thanks guys

We went into the router software and turned down the transmit power just a little while ago and found the signal strength actually improved in the living room. Go figure! So 15mW has to be better than 70mW, I'm figuring. Let's hope that makes a nice difference.
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I use wirless router and i dont have any problems i use that in whole house
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I'm a weirdo but I started getting headaches last year and I paid someone to wire my whole house and I got rid of the wireless.

Like I said, I'm a weirdo but I swear cell phones give me headaches too if I have a long conversation. Luckily most people use bluetooth headsets but I swear one day it will proven how dangerous those radio waves are.

Lots of studies show that already.


Dont use your mobile phone for one hour + a day, dont carry it in your chest pocket or in your front pockets in your pants
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Dont use your mobile phone for one hour + a day, dont carry it . . . . or in your front pockets in your pants
Or what? I have one in each front pocket constantly.
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Or what? I have one in each front pocket constantly.
Enhanced (like 150-200%) chance of prostate cancer + PROVEN to make your sperm count drop

They wont release the % of birth-defects, since those numbers would be to low now, but we would see it in the future

I carry the mobile in my had, or in the Laptop carrying case


You can get those shoulders traps that look like a gun-thing, Don't do that, because that is right next to your kidneys and lymphoid glands


The effects are so far parallel to those you see with people that have worked with Radar signal, but at a milder degree.
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Yup, absolutely can cause headaches. Being exposed to electromagnetic energy for long periods can cause headaches, dizziness, nausea, even skin irritation...Get a cheap emf meter and walk out your floor plan and you'll see where the spikes are, never sit for long periods where the spikes are. They actually call it a "fear cage" because you can get paranoid and filled with overwhelming fear! Scientists have actually blamed Alien abduction reports on exposure to electromagnetic energy due to the effects on the human brain.

I map out my home and office with an EMF meter every month or so (shit changes from time to time), avoiding these fields will have you feeling better and being more efficient.

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Yup, absolutely can cause headaches. Being exposed to electromagnetic energy for long periods can cause headaches, dizziness, nausea, even skin irritation...Get a cheap emf meter and walk out your floor plan and you'll see where the spikes are, never sit for long periods where the spikes are. They actually call it a "fear cage" because you can get paranoid and filled with overwhelming fear! Scientists have actually blamed Alien abduction reports on exposure to electromagnetic energy due to the effects on the human brain.

I map out my home and office with an EMF meter every month or so (shit changes from time to time), avoiding these fields will have you feeling better and being more efficient.

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another reason why Brick houses(clay bricks or whatever you call them) are the best material to build houses with. Tree and concrete (in those dimensions) don't block those waves
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Easiest way to get around the booster antenna is to have a guy come in and run a CAT 5 cable to the upstairs router to give it the signal it needs.
It's not the best thing to have that thing around you all day.
We had an accesss point at work next to someone and she insisted they move it from where it was (just above her head) because she was worries.
To run one CAT 5 cable should cost no more then 100-150 dollars and it's no more then an hour's work presuming that the seperation between the two apartments are not concrete at which point it would take a bit longer to drill.
Make sure the guy does a nice job and fishes the cable behind the wall so you can't see it except the two small holes ( no pun intended ) which the cable goes in and out of.
Hope this helps and stay warm, I heard you got a ton of snow in Vancouver.
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another reason why Brick houses(clay bricks or whatever you call them) are the best material to build houses with. Tree and concrete (in those dimensions) don't block those waves
They hardley use these anymore do to the fact that they have poor insulation properties.
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Yup, absolutely can cause headaches. Being exposed to electromagnetic energy for long periods can cause headaches, dizziness, nausea, even skin irritation...Get a cheap emf meter and walk out your floor plan and you'll see where the spikes are, never sit for long periods where the spikes are. They actually call it a "fear cage" because you can get paranoid and filled with overwhelming fear! Scientists have actually blamed Alien abduction reports on exposure to electromagnetic energy due to the effects on the human brain.

I map out my home and office with an EMF meter every month or so (shit changes from time to time), avoiding these fields will have you feeling better and being more efficient.

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huh wow. I had no idea! Any links on the research you've found?
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Yup, absolutely can cause headaches. Being exposed to electromagnetic energy for long periods can cause headaches, dizziness, nausea, even skin irritation...Get a cheap emf meter and walk out your floor plan and you'll see where the spikes are, never sit for long periods where the spikes are. They actually call it a "fear cage" because you can get paranoid and filled with overwhelming fear! Scientists have actually blamed Alien abduction reports on exposure to electromagnetic energy due to the effects on the human brain.

I map out my home and office with an EMF meter every month or so (shit changes from time to time), avoiding these fields will have you feeling better and being more efficient.

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Easiest way to get around the booster antenna is to have a guy come in and run a CAT 5 cable to the upstairs router to give it the signal it needs.
It's not the best thing to have that thing around you all day.
We had an accesss point at work next to someone and she insisted they move it from where it was (just above her head) because she was worries.
To run one CAT 5 cable should cost no more then 100-150 dollars and it's no more then an hour's work presuming that the seperation between the two apartments are not concrete at which point it would take a bit longer to drill.
Make sure the guy does a nice job and fishes the cable behind the wall so you can't see it except the two small holes ( no pun intended ) which the cable goes in and out of.
Hope this helps and stay warm, I heard you got a ton of snow in Vancouver.
Ciao Bella.
Yes, we would do that if we could, but there's discrepancies between who owns what, etc etc. Ideally I would wire the entire place.

The snow finally melted today, but I just got back from the grocery store and it's sleeting with huge winds. Argh. I'm tired of winter.
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They hardley use these anymore do to the fact that they have poor insulation properties.

When you build brick houses you have two walls, a inner and a outer wall. The gap between them should be 200mm at least - you fill that with insulation.

its the longest lasting material you could ever build your house with.

Go to any western part of Europe (above the alps) and you will see that is how houses are build
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I have wireless at my house. It covers all 2000 sq feet, but when I get around to it. I will have CAT5 run upstairs to the bedrooms, and my second office. I prefer hard lines for my cable, and T1.

When I first moved in, my cable was slow. I thought someone was leaching. I looked at area connections, and there were 4 of them around. All slower than mine. Then I was in the laundry room, and up in the rafters was some wireless router up in there piping a signal.

Not sure if that was the old owner's creative energy for wireless, or some neighbor who thought that shit would be crafty for internet piggiebacking off new owner.

Either way, pulled the plug on that shit. Also had to close out my network to keep others from trying to use the signal. The people next door are up (lights on in one BR) all night. My best guess is WOW since they have some teens over there.

Anyways, signal and speeds back to normal.
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I've learned that wearing a hat made from tinfoil can help to reduce these symptoms.
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my wireless router sits about 12" away from my head at all times. never get headaches
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Do you get a headache in a hotel? They have wifi access spots
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I get some decent headaches from time to time however... mine are mostly sinus.

I do not use my cell more than an hour a day most of the time. Mainly because I hate talking on a phone on ANY day.

I will have to look for some longer computer cords. I would like to have my computers all sitting across the room versus close to me or my nads anyways. But that would explain the low sperm count.
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Go to any western part of Europe (above the alps) and you will see that is how houses are build
Not here in North America.
Seems we are behind the times
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Wow, surprised how this thread turned out.

Usually when I tell people that cell phones give me headaches they roll their eyes so I just always preface it by saying I'm a weirdo.

Funny story. I was mountain biking and met up with this old timer. We struck up a conversation and it turned out he was a pretty high up engineer with Motorola in the early days of cell phones. He said they examined the possible health risks of cell phones and the overwhelming theory among the engineers is that it was in fact dangerous but they felt that since cell phones would be used rarely and only for a few minutes at a time that it would not be an issue. For the younger kids, remember that cell phones use to cost several dollars a minute in the very early days!

They really never imagined that every kid and every adult would use one as their full time phone.
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microwaves

Not to freak you out, but if you're running a G band wireless network, those run in the 2.4Ghz band...and those are microwaves. Yep, the same kind you cook with. Don't freak, the power intensity is much lower, but putting a bit more space between you and the booster would be a good idea.

The research on EMF goes back and forth, but the cell phone studies are showing more correlation to EMF causing issues. Also, some people are just more sensitive to the EMF than others. So, if you're feeling weird/headaches change things around until you feel better.

Our bodies are pretty good at letting us know when things aren't going well, we just tend not to listen

Basically, don't let the stuff get you crazy...hell, taking a shower or a bath is much more dangerous...you're much more likely to be injured or killed that way. So, get things situated where it's not making you feel bad...and be careful getting into and out of the tub.
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Yes, we would do that if we could, but there's discrepancies between who owns what, etc etc. Ideally I would wire the entire place.

The snow finally melted today, but I just got back from the grocery store and it's sleeting with huge winds. Argh. I'm tired of winter.
I take it that you do not really get along with them ? Then why worry about thier wireless ? Cut off access as the equipment must have interference and the signal doesn't go through
It says on the back of those routers that the device can accept interference which can cause signal issues.
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Wow, surprised how this thread turned out.

Usually when I tell people that cell phones give me headaches they roll their eyes so I just always preface it by saying I'm a weirdo.

Funny story. I was mountain biking and met up with this old timer. We struck up a conversation and it turned out he was a pretty high up engineer with Motorola in the early days of cell phones. He said they examined the possible health risks of cell phones and the overwhelming theory among the engineers is that it was in fact dangerous but they felt that since cell phones would be used rarely and only for a few minutes at a time that it would not be an issue. For the younger kids, remember that cell phones use to cost several dollars a minute in the very early days!

They really never imagined that every kid and every adult would use one as their full time phone.
Woah. See, it's stories like that that make me lose faith in capitalism somewhat.



Uhhh.. we're running G here. Good to know about the microwaves.
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Pretty much all consumer wireless equipment uses the 2.4GHz band, including wifi, A/V senders, DECT cordless phones etc. 5.8GHz is also used but it's less common. Sometimes 5.8 equipment is marketed as being in a less congested band.
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I havent noticed anything personally, but it could be (this is a long shot) the high pitch noise the router or signal booster is putting out.

I bought another battery backup supply for my office and noticed a high pitch noise coming from it 24/7. I figured it would only give me a headache so I returned it, but I wouldnt count out that idea.
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Talk about noise, I have 6 computers on 24/7 and a noisy air conditioner stays on all day when it gets warm. All of that fan and compressor noise can't be too good in the long run.
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Talk about noise, I have 6 computers on 24/7 and a noisy air conditioner stays on all day when it gets warm. All of that fan and compressor noise can't be too good in the long run.
its the high pitch noise that really gets to some people. Before the advent of LCD and Plasma sets, I couldn't walk into a best buy without getting a headache from the noise of the CRT sets. Whatever it is in new models doesnt bother me.
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its the high pitch noise that really gets to some people. Before the advent of LCD and Plasma sets, I couldn't walk into a best buy without getting a headache from the noise of the CRT sets. Whatever it is in new models doesnt bother me.
Yeah, I'm also sensitive to flyback transformer noise. For PAL systems (625 lines 25fps) the frequency is 15.625KHz which for some people is virtually inaudible.

I was helping test drive a preproduction model of a car a few years ago and could hear something similar, presumably from the display. Very irritating, especially on a long drive.
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i also have a cell phone, but there is no battery in it...

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i also have a cell phone, but there is no battery in it...
Just as well, otherwise they'd know where you are at all times.
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We actually have only the laptop wireless... connection and network transfer speeds are much quicker wired here... I need time saved and reliability more than I need convenience when work is concerned.
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Old 01-07-2009, 02:16 PM   #42
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Hmm... let's count:

1 - access point
2 - Mac Mini #1 wifi
3 - Mac Mini #1 bluetooth
4 - Apple bluetooth keyboard
5 - Apple bluetooth mouse
6 - Mac Mini #2 wifi
7 - iMac wifi
8 - laptop wifi
9 - iPod Touch wifi
10 - my cell phone
11 - wife's cell phone

Add my mom & dad's wifi laptops on occasion and we could potentially have 13 RF signals in the house, not counting remotes.

Microwaves have been known to temporarily lower a man's sperm count. When we were trying to make a baby, I went a couple of months without using a laptop off a table or carrying a cell phone anywhere below my shirt pocket.
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My entire house is completely wired up, but we have two laptops that use wireless. At the same time, there are like ten wireless networks that my laptops can pick up from other people in the area.
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