Solo Girls + Revshare > PPS Big Generic Sites

[Robbie]

I was thinking about my own stats as an affiliate from my tgps over the years.

And then I got to thinking about how Claudia-Marie.Com compares to other sites. So I took a look at the statistics for Freeones with us. Freeones is in our top ten of affiliates...our biggest ones are sites that some here may not be familiar with so I'm going with Freeones since they post on GFY and you're all familiar with them.

As of today, the oldest rebilling member that FreeOnes sent Claudia-Marie.Com is guy that joined August 11th, 2007 (we opened Claudia-Marie.Com in April of 2007) Freeones has made $302.82 at this point from that one sale.

Next oldest is one from Sept. 4th 2007 Freeones has made $269.84 from that sale, so far.

And the list goes on right up until this morning when they made their latest sale with us.

Point is, the big PPS may look good to you at first. And the sites with all those girls fucking all those guys may make you think: "Wow! That's a lot of diversity for the surfer! This should sell and rebill like crazy!"

Reality is that those same 20 girls fucking those same 10 guys all work for the same modeling agency and are not only on every site doing the same thing, but also are available for free on just about every torrent site. They also don't have the surfer loyalty that a solo girl site has...those girls DO have lots of fans of course and get searched a lot because they are on all the big mega-sites, but the ability to interact with the girl via your membership carries a lot of weight. And those sites are lacking in that dept.

Yes, it can and does still sell. And those sites do rebill, though my experience has been that they don't rebill for longer than 3 months MAX. And most sales don't rebill that long.

So if you're doing that for a $50 PPS or even a $100 PPS then you need to also add in and give a big push to something that can really make you some money and not just that quick dollar that doesn't last.

I still have rebills from years ago from specific sites. And they all fit the criteria of a girl with exclusive content who interacts with her members.

P.S.: To all the review sites who try to say that streaming only will "kill rebills", I would say that my stats overall for claudia-marie.com tell a much different tale.

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[CIVMatt]

"Personality" Solo Girl sites will always do well

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

"Personality" Solo Girl sites will always do well

Oh yeah...Our number one affiliate is a little site called Boobster

Not a huge traffic site by any means. No fancy designs. Just a small site run by hand by a cool guy.

I've had him send 37 sales in a single day.

He has the oldest rebilling member on our site. The member joined through Boobsters affiliate link on April 23, 2007 which was right as we were opening the site.

As I'm looking at the page of our oldest rebills...he and Joggs fill that page up. And I fill their bank accounts accordingly

[NaughtyRob]

Good thread. :-)

[Roald]

And thats why we keep adding your FHGs ;))))

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Roald

And thats why we keep adding your FHGs ;))))

We appreciate that. You're also doing great with search engines with us too.

[tranza]

Great thread! bump!

[SteveHardeman]

Nice thread Robbie. Bump.

[hypedough]

Bump for a great thread. I keep telling people stop complaining about your horrible ratios with the big guys, everyone's promoting them it's time to find something fresh.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Bump for a great thread. I keep telling people stop complaining about your horrible ratios with the big guys, everyone's promoting them it's time to find something fresh.

And it doesn't neccessarily have to be fresh to the internet. Hot babes like Kelly Madison, Rachel Aziani, Chica, and many others convert and retain no matter how many years they are online. Our own Celeste Fox has had her site going strong since 1997.

[LoveSandra]

Nice bump

[Sly]

I have one member I've made $350 with. However I'm also 1:16000 with the program. I do like rev- share in quite a few instances, but you really need to be able to trust the program operator.

Both payout structures have their benefits. I personally like to split them.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Yeah that's very true, because a certain pct. of members just stays forever.

[AaliyahLove]

[QUOTE=Robbie;15411538
I still have rebills from years ago from specific sites. And they all fit the criteria of a girl with exclusive content who interacts with her members.

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This was my glimmer of hope in the whole post.

Robbie I love ur threads and I've even learned a couple things from you, thanx

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

This was my glimmer of hope in the whole post.

Robbie I love ur threads and I've even learned a couple things from you, thanx

Aaliyah, I have to say that in speaking with you a few minutes at Internext, you are a genuinely real person. Pretty rare these days. As long as you let that bright personality shine through on your website you are gonna do real well.

Just keep Kevin's pasty white butt off of camera and the skies the limit! lol

But seriously, you are a true sweetheart and a beautiful girl.

Personally I'd like to put you in a little thong, bend you over and...er, excuse me, I got carried away. You're one of a kind.

[st0ned]

I am all about the revenue share. Many of the solo girls I promote make 3x more per month from rebills than they do from initial sales while I am still steadily promoting them.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by st0ned

I am all about the revenue share. Many of the solo girls I promote make 3x more per month from rebills than they do from initial sales while I am still steadily promoting them.

That's the beauty of revshare. You build and build. Maybe it's slow growth, but if you're in the game for a while...one day you realize that slow steady build has become a lot of money! And it just keeps growing.

I know some people are wary of it and worried that they will get screwed over in the long run. Well, I've been an affiliate of hundreds of programs for the last 12 years. Maybe once or twice I've lost out because a program went under or for whatever reasons.

But I just checked my "all time" stats on stats remote for everything I do. It only goes back to 2003 so it doesn't count my money from the late '90's up to 2003.

But doing strictly revshare everywhere I could (the exceptions were programs that didn't offer it...like NastyDollars) I've netted $3,407,478.28 over the last 5 years. That's not bad, not bad at all.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Hey Robbie does Claudia Marie have a profile at Loco Spot yet?

Great topic. Solo girls will always do great if they have the personality.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Hey Robbie does Claudia Marie have a profile at Loco Spot yet?

She will have in about 5 minutes from now

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Robbie

She will have in about 5 minutes from now

Sweet. The newsletter goes out tomorrow Ill ad a plug to her site.

[st0ned]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's the beauty of revshare. You build and build. Maybe it's slow growth, but if you're in the game for a while...one day you realize that slow steady build has become a lot of money! And it just keeps growing.

I know some people are wary of it and worried that they will get screwed over in the long run. Well, I've been an affiliate of hundreds of programs for the last 12 years. Maybe once or twice I've lost out because a program went under or for whatever reasons.

But I just checked my "all time" stats on stats remote for everything I do. It only goes back to 2003 so it doesn't count my money from the late '90's up to 2003.

But doing strictly revshare everywhere I could (the exceptions were programs that didn't offer it...like NastyDollars) I've netted $3,407,478.28 over the last 5 years. That's not bad, not bad at all.

Very nice stats! I kick myself in the ass every day for not hitting adult hard sooner than I did. I started my first free site back in 1999 when I was 16 and never really made it into much. Long story short I forgot about it and didn't enter back into adult until early 2007. Since then I have made an amazing living from my efforts but I can only imagine what I would have made applying myself back then.

Over and over again I read how the past 2-3 years were the worse on record for many programs and affiliates and if this sucks, I would have been a millionaire quick in the golden days.

At any rate there is still good money to be made in adult if you think outside of the box. 75% of my income is from promoting solo girls and have a growing network of 400+ sites which target them. I am in this for the long run and revenue share is definitely my preferred choice after seeing the results over the previous years.

Yeah, so I had a point to my reply I just kind of forgot what it was...

On a side note I plan to promote Claudia Marie very soon.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Oh yeah...Our number one affiliate is a little site called Boobster

Not a huge traffic site by any means. No fancy designs. Just a small site run by hand by a cool guy.

I've had him send 37 sales in a single day.

He has the oldest rebilling member on our site. The member joined through Boobsters affiliate link on April 23, 2007 which was right as we were opening the site.

As I'm looking at the page of our oldest rebills...he and Joggs fill that page up. And I fill their bank accounts accordingly

Congrats, every affiliate program is about to contact him now.
WG

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Congrats, every affiliate program is about to contact him now.
WG

LOL! Won't matter. Unlike some of you, he is like me and knows how to run a freesite. And every big tit guy out there already knows about Boobster and Joggs. Only people who aren't in this side of the game are ignorant of them. It's still amazing to me that I and every player in this business that came up years ago have never had any trouble with saying: "This is who I am and this is how we can make money together"

Sometimes it seems like GFY is just full of magical mystery millionaires with secret traffic and secret sales.

Bro, I don't care who knows where I make my money. I work hard to make sure that I can compete with anybody at anytime. And guys like the owner of Boobster are smart enough to realize what sells and what doesn't. That's why he makes the kind of money he does.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And guys like the owner of Boobster are smart enough to realize what sells and what doesn't. That's why he makes the kind of money he does.

This is an important line for affiliate reps everywhere to read... Successful affiliates already know what works for them, and no amount of high pps offers, prepaid deals, or false promises of converting at 1:100 will make them change their links if they don't like your sites/content.

[bDok]

I love sites that rebill well. There's nothing like waking up in the morning and already seeing a bunch of rebills knowing that while you were sleeping you made a nice days worth of work already.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

This is an important line for affiliate reps everywhere to read... Successful affiliates already know what works for them, and no amount of high pps offers, prepaid deals, or false promises of converting at 1:100 will make them change their links if they don't like your sites/content.

Yeah, and if you check out his site you'll quickly see that he carefully picks and chooses what he does. He is one of the masters of big tits and he hand selects what he does each day.

His methods are old and still the best.

Know your product thoroughly. Know your customer base even better. Provide them with what they are looking for. Seems so simple, yet it's so lost on so many people.

Oh by the way Rob, "Dr. Danza" starred today in a future Claudia-Marie episode entitled "Rip Fuck"

She came in to see the "doctor" wanting a procedure done to make her boobs hang lower and also to have her asshole opened more so that her butt will flop better when she does the "booty hop"

The procedures were successful...

[BV]

It's not just solo girl sites bro!
This is an old cap but i just checked and the customer is still active.
77 rebills

This affiliate of mine has pocketed over $920.00 off just this one customer.

http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/ccbill-cap.jpg

[Robbie]

I saw those stats when you originally posted. And you're right...there are some sites that are not solo sites that are run by people like you who love this business and take pride in what you do. To people like you, your site is more than just a "product"

I'd say you're a lot like me in that respect in that what we do is a labor of love just as much as it is a business. Nothing running on "autopilot" or in the hands of employees. From what I can tell about you, you keep your hand on the wheel of your websites.

[fuzebox]

Somewhere on GFY a few people posted some stats of their oldest members... The best are the ACH ones because there is no expiry date

[BV]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Somewhere on GFY a few people posted some stats of their oldest members... The best are the ACH ones because there is no expiry date

Yah I remember that thread, I thing BVF posted it.

I remember telling him that he's a fool for not using ccbill's check option because he was getting a lot of refunds, or giving, whatever you know what i mean.

anyways, It's true you do give a lot of check refunds but the retention ratio on check signups is GOLDEN.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BV

It's true you do give a lot of check refunds but the retention ratio on check signups is GOLDEN.

I would think that the check option doesn't have an expiration date like a debit/visa card does...so yeah that can rebill indefinitely as long as the member doesn't change banks. Never thought of that before.

[BV]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I saw those stats when you originally posted. And you're right...there are some sites that are not solo sites that are run by people like you who love this business and take pride in what you do. To people like you, your site is more than just a "product"

I'd say you're a lot like me in that respect in that what we do is a labor of love just as much as it is a business. Nothing running on "autopilot" or in the hands of employees. From what I can tell about you, you keep your hand on the wheel of your websites.

yah man, i can tell you have a passion also, and i am sure some of my views on things seem as fucked up to you as some of yours are to me

it's all good

i enjoy it

better than the usuall stupid ass gfy threads


more like the old gfy

[tony286]

a very good thread

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BV

yah man, i can tell you have a passion also, and i am sure some of my views on things seem as fucked up to you as some of yours are to me

it's all good

i enjoy it

better than the usuall stupid ass gfy threads


more like the old gfy

Our views are just formed through our individual experiences We've both done and seen different things that's all. Some things that seem horrible to you are like small time infractions compared to some of the shit I've weathered in the past, and vice-versa for you. Just different experiences with different results. Hell, you know I'll argue shit to the death when I feel I'm right. But as long as it's stays on point and doesn't turn into a disrespectful pissing contest I'm happy to argue points. I'm just shocked the trolls haven't hit this thread yet and called us all an "idiot" or "pathetic" or "fags"

Fuck it, let me strike before they can...You're all pathetic idiot fags.

j/k

[ExLust]

Great post.

[uno]

Robbie, does CM have a blog/diary/journal on her site?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

"Personality" Solo Girl sites will always do well

[Nicky]

I'm sending way too little than I would like too to Claudia Marie and Soloslutcash but 1:199 signups wholetime aint bad...... Over 50% reccuring after 1st month is just splendid.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by uno

Robbie, does CM have a blog/diary/journal on her site?

She doesn't have a blog or diary per se. What we did was we put a members forum in, an email form that goes directly to her, and then we do webcam shows for our members as well. The webcam shows aren't like the Camz or Webcams or any of the third party camshows. I bought the cam software and put it on my own server and we are self sustaining with it. It doesn't cost our members anything to go "private" or anything. It's just part of their membership...

And since we are sort of "episodic" with our updates, it gives the feeling that you are witnessing Claudia-Marie's adventures too. So no we haven't done the blog/diary thing. She spends a lot of time communicating with members one on one via email and PM on the message board.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Robbie

She doesn't have a blog or diary per se. What we did was we put a members forum in, an email form that goes directly to her, and then we do webcam shows for our members as well. The webcam shows aren't like the Camz or Webcams or any of the third party camshows. I bought the cam software and put it on my own server and we are self sustaining with it. It doesn't cost our members anything to go "private" or anything. It's just part of their membership...

And since we are sort of "episodic" with our updates, it gives the feeling that you are witnessing Claudia-Marie's adventures too. So no we haven't done the blog/diary thing. She spends a lot of time communicating with members one on one via email and PM on the message board.

Drop me an icq sometime. 111-914

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by uno

Drop me an icq sometime. 111-914

done

[Scroto]

Hey Robbie, signed up for your program, but it wont let me log in lol

user name: voyeur999

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Scroto

Hey Robbie, signed up for your program, but it wont let me log in lol

user name: voyeur999

I have to approve your account. Give me a sec

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Scroto

Hey Robbie, signed up for your program, but it wont let me log in lol

user name: voyeur999

Holy shit! Terry is that you? You are approved my friend. Old school playa in the house!

EDIT: One other thing...your sites are perfect for our CelesteFox.Com site. She does tons of swinger stuff that is filmed amateur style...because it is.

[Scroto]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Holy shit! Terry is that you? You are approved my friend. Old school playa in the house!

EDIT: One other thing...your sites are perfect for our CelesteFox.Com site. She does tons of swinger stuff that is filmed amateur style...because it is.

Nah man, I'm Shawn. I run all Terry's traffic sites

We spoke a couple times a year or so ago about voyeurpost

I'll tell him you said hello though!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Scroto

Nah man, I'm Shawn. I run all Terry's traffic sites

We spoke a couple times a year or so ago about voyeurpost

I'll tell him you said hello though!

Hi Shawn. I remember you. I thought for a second here that the elusive Mr. Healy had made an appearance. I icq'ed him and told him the account is now active. Also if you need a user/pass just let me know. My icq is in my profile here.

[selena]

Since the first gallery I built, quality solo girl, bdsm, and tranny sites promoted via revshare have accounted for 98% of my efforts, and my sales.

I have less than 5 programs in the combined rotation of 2 submitters that are not revshare.

To date, my longest running active rebill is currently at 47 months for Raven Riley.

You can't beat quality revshare sites, imho.

Quality being the operative word, of course.

[Scroto]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Hi Shawn. I remember you. I thought for a second here that the elusive Mr. Healy had made an appearance. I icq'ed him and told him the account is now active. Also if you need a user/pass just let me know. My icq is in my profile here.

Thanks man, yeah I don't see him post on here very often, but he does

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by selena

Since the first gallery I built, quality solo girl, bdsm, and tranny sites promoted via revshare have accounted for 98% of my efforts, and my sales.

I have less than 5 programs in the combined rotation of 2 submitters that are not revshare.

To date, my longest running active rebill is currently at 47 months for Raven Riley.

You can't beat quality revshare sites, imho.

Quality being the operative word, of course.

Outstanding! A month away from 4 years on the rebill.

And as BV pointed out, great niche sites that truly understand the niche are great as well.

I STILL have some old Blacks On Blondes rebills with Epoch from 1999! It's simply amazing.

Also on dating sites...I always went with revshare from day one. I'd see others going for PPS and PPC, but I just shrugged and kept the revshare going. AFF still pays some of the bills around here. Once people join those dating sites they stay hooked forever too.

[crockett]

I agree with you, but it has to be a site that the model is heavily involved with the site. Most of the teen solo sites for example wouldn't do as well.