9 US States Have Declared Their Sovereignity

[Porn Producer]

http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/20...us-states.html


February 5, 2009
Something BIG is happening; 9 U.S. states declare sovereignty

"Last week, I reported on this blog that the New Hampshire Legislature made a dramatic declaration warning the federal government that they risk "nullifying the Constitution."

Within the past 7 days, eight other U.S. states have made similar declarations of their sovereignty!

Clearly something "big" is up. These types of actions by state legislatures rarely if ever take place, and I know of absolutely no time in US history when so many states made such declarations within such a short period of time.

WHAT IF. . . . . .
The states disband the federal government; which is within their power to do via Constitutional Convention, then walk away from the entire $20 TRILLION U.S. National Debt?

They could tell the creditors to go collect the money from the people who borrowed it. . . . . Oh, wait. . . . . . they no longer exist . . . . . too bad. Bye.

We could be witnessing the foundation of the biggest financial fuck-job in the history of the world as US states dissolve the federal government that borrowed all the money!

Below are links to the nine states (so far) that have made sovereignty declarations of one type or another.


Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summ...2009&bill=4009

New Hampshire
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...9/HCR0006.html

Arizona
http://www.azleg.gov/Formatdocument%...s/hcr2024p.htm

Montana
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Michigan
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(21r...-01-22-002.pdf

Missouri
http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx...ills/HR212.HTM

Oklahoma
http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009...federal-power/

Hawaii
http://www.hawaii-nation.org/

[BradM]

I thought this was some trolling post and a faggot blogger trying to get attention... but yea a few representatives from a few states have sponsored a proposition... won't go anywhere no one has the balls to secede.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Good. Then we can repeal the rest of those braindead laws.

[$5 submissions]

Before Lincoln came along, secession was often viewed as an option against government excesses. In fact, the first states that threatened secession were not Southern states but New England states.

Lincoln changed all that. His emphasis is on a UNITED states--an entity above and bigger than the states (lower case). See: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/w-williams1.html

[tony286]

let them go and then they can see what real spending is as they try and replace all those fed programs they took for granted.

[onwebcam]

I think all should declare sovereignty. It's obvious that the Federal government is out of control. They are all owned by one special interest or another. It's time to fire them all and start over from scratch. The corporation UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is and has been bankrupt since 1933. These states are stating that they will not follow any martial law or gun ban orders if this out of control government tries anything stupid. Which they will. The economy is tanking and the crooks that brought it all down and who are still running the show don't want 250 million guns pointed in their direction so they are going to try and get them off the streets however they can.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I think all should declare sovereignty. It's obvious that the Federal government is out of control. They are all owned by one special interest or another. It's time to fire them all and start over from scratch. The corporation UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is and has been bankrupt since 1933. These states are stating that they will not follow any martial law gun ban orders if this out of control government tries anything stupid. Which they will. The economy is tanking and the crooks that brought it all down and who are still running the show don't want 250 million guns pointed in their direction so they are going to try and get them off the streets however they can.

You want that and you sell porn for a living? lol

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by tony404

You want and you sell porn for a living? lol

No I don't sell porn for a living. But what does that have to do with a corrupt and bankrupt government?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

No I don't sell porn for a living. But what does that have to do with a corrupt and bankrupt government?

Without Federal you would have each state defining whats freedom of speech and whats obscenity. Also the min you say the country has been bankrupt since 1933 shows you have drank the republican kool aid. If you read real history you would know that's not true. Also a FYI it was government funding that made the internet possible.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by tony404

Also a FYI it was government funding that made the internet possible.

Who gives a shit, it would have came around sooner or later.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony404

let them go and then they can see what real spending is as they try and replace all those fed programs they took for granted.

I was just going to say the same thing.

States can get all upset and say they want to split off... until they need all of the federal money they get. Although if a state split off I suppose then they could suck up all of the federal taxes that its residents are paying... though I doubt that would be enough.

How much money does a state like New Hampshire get from the federal government versus how much its residents pay the federal government? I'm not sure but I am willing to bet that some states pay more than their share...

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by tony404

Without Federal you would have each state defining whats freedom of speech and whats obscenity. Also the min you say the country has been bankrupt since 1933 shows you have drank the republican kool aid. If you read real history you would know that's not true. Also a FYI it was government funding that made the internet possible.

"My investigation convinced me that during the last quarter of a century the average production of gold has been falling off considerably. The gold mines of the world are practically exhausted. There is only about $11,000,000,000 in gold in the world, with the United States owning a little more than four billions. We have more than $100,000,000,000 in debts payable in gold of the present weight and fineness. . . As a practical proposition these contracts cannot be collected in gold for the obvious reason that the gold supply of the entire world is not sufficient to make payment."

-- Congressional Record, Congressman Dies, March 15, 1933.


"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congressional session, June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend the Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only."

"The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States."

-- Congressman Traficant on the House floor, March 17, 1993 (The Bankruptcy of The United States, United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303).

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Sly

I was just going to say the same thing.

States can get all upset and say they want to split off... until they need all of the federal money they get. Although if a state split off I suppose then they could suck up all of the federal taxes that its residents are paying... though I doubt that would be enough.

How much money does a state like New Hampshire get from the federal government versus how much its residents pay the federal government? I'm not sure but I am willing to bet that some states pay more than their share...

Whatever they pay wouldnt be enough to cover everyday services and its own military.

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I think all should declare sovereignty. It's obvious that the Federal government is out of control. They are all owned by one special interest or another. It's time to fire them all and start over from scratch. The corporation UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is and has been bankrupt since 1933. These states are stating that they will not follow any martial law or gun ban orders if this out of control government tries anything stupid. Which they will. The economy is tanking and the crooks that brought it all down and who are still running the show don't want 250 million guns pointed in their direction so they are going to try and get them off the streets however they can.

Spot on.

Some of the northern states have also considered joining with Canada. It's HIGHLY unlikely, but it just speaks to the underlying negative sentiment towards the systemic corruption, and ongoing abuse of power by those running your federal government.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by tony404

let them go and then they can see what real spending is as they try and replace all those fed programs they took for granted.

If they did it smart, that wouldn't be a problem.

All they have to do is disband, all of them except for the District of Columbia.

As the one remaining Federal district, Washington DC would then inherit all of the Federal debt.

Meanwhile, within 30 days, the seceded states agree to form a new union, which just so happens to be virtually the same as the old one, minus Washington DC and minus the national debt.

Not the worst idea I've ever heard.

As for the nation's new capital city... well, how about the first one; Philadelphia

[tony286]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"My investigation convinced me that during the last quarter of a century the average production of gold has been falling off considerably. The gold mines of the world are practically exhausted. There is only about $11,000,000,000 in gold in the world, with the United States owning a little more than four billions. We have more than $100,000,000,000 in debts payable in gold of the present weight and fineness. . . As a practical proposition these contracts cannot be collected in gold for the obvious reason that the gold supply of the entire world is not sufficient to make payment."

-- Congressional Record, Congressman Dies, March 15, 1933.


"It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congressional session, June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend the Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only."

"The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States."

-- Congressman Traficant on the House floor, March 17, 1993 (The Bankruptcy of The United States, United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303).

Nixon a republican took us off the gold standard in 1971

[tony286]

Originally Posted by GregE

If they did it smart, that wouldn't be a problem.

All they have to do is disband, all of them except for the District of Columbia.

As the one remaining Federal district, Washington DC would then inherit all of the Federal debt.

Meanwhile, within 30 days, the seceded states agree to form a new union, which just so happens to be virtually the same as the old one, minus Washington DC and minus the national debt.

Not the worst idea I've ever heard.

As for the nation's new capital city... well, how about the first one; Philadelphia

Do you know what would happen if that happened anarchy. it would be far from smooth. You would look back on these times as the good old days compared to that.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by tony404

Nixon a republican took us off the gold standard in 1971

Roosevelt seized everyone's gold.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Roosevelt seized everyone's gold.

it wasnt a random act
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...ticle&id=59256
FDR takes United States off gold standard
On June 5, 1933, the United States went off the gold standard, a monetary system in which currency is backed by gold, when Congress enacted a joint resolution nullifying the right of creditors to demand payment in gold. The United States had been on a gold standard since 1879, except for an embargo on gold exports during World War I, but bank failures during the Great Depression of the 1930s frightened the public into hoarding gold, making the policy untenable. Soon after taking office in March 1933, Roosevelt declared a nationwide bank moratorium in order to prevent a run on the banks by consumers lacking confidence in the economy. He also forbade banks to pay out gold or to export it. According to Keynesian economic theory, one of the best ways to fight off an economic downturn is to inflate the money supply. And increasing the amount of gold held by the Federal Reserve would in turn increase its power to inflate the money supply. Facing similar pressures, Britain had dropped the gold standard in 1931, and Roosevelt had taken note. On April 5, 1933, Roosevelt ordered all gold coins and gold certificates in denominations of more than $100 turned in for other money. It required all persons to deliver all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve by May 1 for the set price of $20.67 per ounce. By May 10, the government had taken in $300 million of gold coin and $470 million of gold certificates. Two months later, a joint resolution of Congress abrogated the gold clauses in many public and private obligations that required the debtor to repay the creditor in gold dollars of the same weight and fineness as those borrowed. In 1934, the government price of gold was increased to $35 per ounce, effectively increasing the gold on the Federal Reserve's balance sheets by 69 percent. This increase in assets allowed the Federal Reserve to further inflate the money supply. The government held the $35 per ounce price until August 15, 1971, when President Richard Nixon announced that the United States would no longer convert dollars to gold at a fixed value, thus completely abandoning the gold standard. In 1974, President Gerald Ford signed legislation that permitted Americans again to own gold bullion.

[pocketkangaroo]

Read up on who Hal Turner is. =)

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Dcat

Spot on.

Some of the northern states have also considered joining with Canada. It's HIGHLY unlikely, but it just speaks to the underlying negative sentiment towards the systemic corruption, and ongoing abuse of power by those running your federal government.

A few problems with that. Canada is incorporated in Washington D.C. And the other is Washington D.C. is pretty much owned by the Queen of England. The people on the continent of North America were all pledged a slaves to the Queen of England in 1933 and ultimately the Vatican. (Have you ever wondered why such a holy man has to ride around in a bullet proof bubble car?) This is why you have a birth certificate with a bond number on it and a social security number. Also why all your bills come in the form of YOUR NAME. The postal worker is a process server. There was a corporation setup for us all because only another corporation can legally take another corporation to court. You are linked to said corporation via your drivers license. Don't show an officer your drivers license or tell him your birth date and he can't do anything because he can only enforce the "statutes" on your corporation. So more or less we're all in the same boat.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

A few problems with that. Canada is incorporated in Washington D.C. And the other is Washington D.C. is pretty much owned by the Queen of England. The people on the continent of North America were all pledged a slaves to the Queen of England in 1933 and ultimately the Vatican. (Have you ever wondered why such a holy man has to ride around in a bullet proof bubble car?) This is why you have a birth certificate with a bond number on it and a social security number. Also why all your bills come in the form of YOUR NAME. The postal worker is a process server. There was a corporation setup for us all because only another corporation can legally take another corporation to court. You are linked to said corporation via your drivers license. Don't show an officer your drivers license or tell him your birth date and he can't do anything because he can only enforce the "statutes" on your corporation. So more or less we're all in the same boat.

[stickyfingerz]

Hmm is Porn Producer GregB?

[onwebcam]

Congressman Traficant on the House floor, March 17, 1993 (The Bankruptcy of The United States, United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303).

The wealth of the nation including our land was turned over to the bankers. In return, the nations 100 billion dollar debt was forgiven. I have two papers that have circulated the country on this subject. Remember Jesus said "money is the root of all evil" The Congress of 1933 sold every American into slavery to protect their asses. Read the following Congressional quotes:

"I want to show you where the people are being imposed upon by reason of the delegation of this tremendous power. I invite your attention to the fact that section 16 of the Federal Reserve Act provides that whenever the Government of the United States issues and delivers money, Federal Reserve notes, which are based on the credit of the Nation--they represent a mortgage upon your home and my home, and upon all the property of all the people of the Nation--to the Federal Reserve agent, an interest charge shall be collected for the Government."

ongressional Record, Congressman Patman, March 13, 1933.

"That is the equity of what we are about to do. Yes; you are going to close us down. Yes; you have already closed us down, and have been doing it long before this year. Our President says that for 3 years we have been on the way to bankruptcy. We have been on the way to bankruptcy longer than 3 years. We have been on the way to bankruptcy ever since we began to allow the financial mastery of this country gradually to get into the hands of a little clique that has held it right up until they would send us to the grave."

Congressional Record, Congressman Long, March 11, 1933.

What did Roosevelt do? Sealed our fate and our childrens fate, but worst of all, he declared War on the American People. Remember the War Powers Act, the Trading with the enemy Act? He declared emergency powers with his authority being the War Powers Act, the Trading with the enemy Act. The problem is he redefined who the enemy was, read the following (remembering that the Social Security Number is a license to work):

The declared National Emergency of March 9, 1933 amended the War Powers Act to include the American People as enemies:

"In Title 1, Section 1 it says: The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed."

"Section 2. Subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, (40 Stat. L. 411), as amended, is hereby amended to read as follows: emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by the President, and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, BY ANY PERSON WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PLACE SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF."

Here is the legal phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof, but at law this refers to alien enemy and also applies to Fourteenth Amendment citizens:

"As these words are used in the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution, providing for the citizenship of all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the purpose would appear to have been to exclude by the fewest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common Law), the two classes of cases, children born of Alien Enemies, in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, both of which, by the law of England and by our own law, from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country."

-- United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US 649, 682, 42 L Ed 890, 902, 18 S Ct 456. Ballentine's Law Dictionary.

Congressman Beck had this to say about the War Powers Act:

"I think of all the damnable heresies that have ever been suggested in connection with the Constitution, the doctrine of emergency is the worst. It means that when Congress declares an emergency there is no Constitution. This means its death....But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its constitutional powers."

-- Congressman James Beck in Congressional Record 1933.

The following are excerpts from the Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973, Special Committee On The Termination Of The National Emergency United States Senate. They were going to terminate all emergency powers, but they found out they did not have the power to do this so guess which one stayed in, the Emergency Act of 1933, the Trading with the Enemy Act October 6, 1917 as amended in March 9, 1933.

"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 63) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency."

Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973

You may be asking yourself is this the law, and if so where is it, read the following: In Title 12 U.S.C, in section 95b you'll find the following codification of the Emergency War Powers:

"The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subsection (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended (12 U.S.C., 95a), are hereby approved and confirmed."

-- (March 9, 1933, c. 1, Title 1, 1, 48 Stat. 1)

[Shoehorn!]

Originally Posted by Porn Producer

Hawaii
http://www.hawaii-nation.org/

Thats not the government, thats the native Hawaiians. They've been at the whole sovereignty thing since Hawaii became a state 50 years ago.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Shoehorn!

Thats not the government, thats the native Hawaiians. They've been at the whole sovereignty thing since Hawaii became a state 50 years ago.

They might want to think about that real hard because there's quite a few people in the Philippines that I've met who still wish that the Philippines should have stayed an American protectorate.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm not sure but I am willing to bet that some states pay more than their share...

Traditionally blue states support traditionally red states.

... Yet Republicans want to change blue states "for the better."

[Shoehorn!]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

They might want to think about that real hard because there's quite a few people in the Philippines that I've met who still wish that the Philippines should have stayed an American protectorate.

Hawaii will never be turned over to the natives. And if it was the Japanese would own this place. Actually they pretty much already do.

Most natives actually just want their rights upheld, get to keep their land, stuff like that.

[Matt 26z]

Here are 2005 numbers. Same thing. Red states at the top, blue at the bottom.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

[munki]

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Here are 2005 numbers. Same thing. Red states at the top, blue at the bottom.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

thats interesting

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

No I don't sell porn for a living. But what does that have to do with a corrupt and bankrupt government?

You're a fucking retard. Its pretty obvious you're just here because people respond to your useless reguritated conspiracy crap. There are plenty of conspiracy forums out there, why don't you waste your life there instead.

[NaughtyRob]

Fuckit, lets all pack up and become illegal aliens in Mexico.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

You're a fucking retard. Its pretty obvious you're just here because people respond to your useless reguritated conspiracy crap. There are plenty of conspiracy forums out there, why don't you waste your life there instead.

Learn something why don't ya

http://barefootsworld.net/

http://barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html

Who Is Running America?
http://barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html

The Two United States and the Law
http://supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

The UCC Connection: Free Yourself from Legal Tyranny
http://supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman5.htm

On the establishment of the United States of America and its corporation
http://www.wayofkings.net/history.htm

Is the U.S. a corporation?
http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/co...a_corporation/


http://www.detaxcanada.org/

Blacks Law Dictionary ? Revised 4th Edition 1968, provides a more comprehensive definition as follows ?

Capitis Diminutio (meaning the diminishing of status through the use of capitalization) In Roman law. A diminishing or abridgment of personality; a loss or curtailment of a man's status or aggregate of legal attributes and qualifications.

Capitis Diminutio Minima (meaning a minimum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John Doe) - The lowest or least comprehensive degree of loss of status. This occurred where a man's family relations alone were changed. It happened upon the arrogation [pride] of a person who had been his own master, (sui juris,) [of his own right, not under any legal disability] or upon the emancipation of one who had been under the patria potestas. [Parental authority] It left the rights of liberty and citizenship unaltered. See Inst. 1, 16, pr.; 1, 2, 3; Dig. 4, 5, 11; Mackeld. Rom.Law, 144.

Capitis Diminutio Media (meaning a medium loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. John DOE) - A lessor or medium loss of status. This occurred where a man loses his rights of citizenship, but without losing his liberty. It carried away also the family rights.

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

Diminutio. Lat. In civil law. Diminution; a taking away; loss or depravation.

Capite. - Lat. By the head.

[onwebcam]

Maybe you prefer hearing it from a preacher

National Debt. To whom do we owe it?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=30-Wt...eature=related

Common Law - Applies to human beings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

Admiralty And Maritime Laws - which is what all branches of our government is now going by
http://law.freeadvice.com/admiralty_...alty_maritime/

coupled with UCC
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/ucc.table.html

Notice how all of our courts and government buildings and such have a flag with gold fringe around it.

The "honorable enrichment" is Admiralty or War flag which denotes Admiralty or martial law.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_...an_flag_mea n

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Read up on who Hal Turner is. =)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner