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Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 07:58 PM

Here is what has come out of weeks of research and conversations.

1. Either very simple, cheap stuff from certain areas that is not what I am looking for.

2. Or the back door, white label, be a part of our network. But your customers can leave for us bargain. Think co-branded.

3. The partnership. Either in cash investment, or the coding partnership with the 50/50 deal. I supply the girls, niche, traffic. They provide the software and code.

4. The very high end expensive software that has a licensing, and monthly fee. Not to mention these tend to either have more than I need, or too little.

What I am looking for is this....

1. Yahoo Chat type of interface. Flash, java, whatever that is. If you do not know what Yahoo Chat is, looks or works like. Do not spam me your crap.

2. I want the ability for my girl(s) to be in the chat via small webcam feed. So they can be in the group chat, but their is only a small window. If you want private, or you want a HD, full screen view. It costs money. PPS or membership.

3. I want the chat platform to be modular. Meaning that there is a basic application, and it pieces together software wise by modules. This allows me to expand as I need to without having to start back over from ground zero over time. I can also 'contract out' to get specialists for certain things if we need a skill set or special code/app/function.

4. The chat must allow for different payment methods using most known processors, and types.

5. Remote access. The girls can be here in my new office, or they can (eventually) log in remotely from their house via software. This is a wishlist item not needed in basic initial application.

6. Cam shows can be recorded easily for promotions, and archive.

7. Ability to add in profiles for members and models, and build in social network aspect over time. Another long term wish list item.

8. Affiliate program build. This is another wishlist item. But long term, I want other sites to be able to sign up and promote. Whether their own sites, or network.

I have yet to find what I am looking for close enough, and am starting to think the custom coding option is going to be what I need to do. Next question from there is, look at the partnership, or finance it long term.

If you have some other cam/social networking types of sites you like, enjoy working with, converting well for you. Feel free to drop some links. A lot of the chat software, and companies I looked at run together. There are a half dozen stand outs. But they are either much too big for what I am looking for on this scale, or not enough.

I do not need a super webcam chat to be an AFF. I am working in smaller niche markets.

Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 08:15 PM

pimplink · 02-21-2009, 08:31 PM

oh i afraid your requirement is very high. but these kinda shit will surely be some exceptional stuff

Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pimplink

oh i afraid your requirement is very high. but these kinda shit will surely be some exceptional stuff

Yep. What I am looking for is a long term solution.

We start with a base application, and add on modules over time to tie in some additional social features beyond just chat, and cam. Most of the software I have seen so far is not what I am looking for.

Doing it this way will allow for expansion, and upgrades without complete rebuilds of the software. Which is forward thinking, and best for long term.

Those who wanted to 'tweak' their existing software, would not sell as a stand alone. They are looking for that white label, back door, upsell component to it. Which is not what I want.

tical · 02-21-2009, 08:53 PM

good luck, i think you'll end up having to go custom for that route

which is better anyway, just make sure you keep it simple from the start & add as needed... i've got fairly decent experience building webcam sites

Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tical

good luck, i think you'll end up having to go custom for that route

which is better anyway, just make sure you keep it simple from the start & add as needed... i've got fairly decent experience building webcam sites

Thanks for the feedback man. I really appreciate it. It's good to at least know that I have to go in a direction, like custom, because it cuts through the crap.

Next step is, entertaining partnership on development, or do it all myself.

I am looking at this as a two prong. I am working on the technology in my adult market. But once it is perfected, or developed to the point of being stable. I have some mainstream applications I plan on using it for.

Kinda the double dip on money making.

tical · 02-21-2009, 09:01 PM

no prob

with custom there might be a bit of costs early but you're able to avoid all sorts of useless bloat and know EXACTLY how your application works

again, keep it EXTREMELY simple from the beginning - meat & potatoes, get the core of it functional and start making some $ - then add the nifty features your members are asking for or expecting

this might also seem like common sense but make absolutely sure you cater to the LOWEST common denominator of user - make it so simple even a retard can use it.. the less clicks required the better

Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tical

no prob

with custom there might be a bit of costs early but you're able to avoid all sorts of useless bloat and know EXACTLY how your application works

again, keep it EXTREMELY simple from the beginning - meat & potatoes, get the core of it functional and start making some $ - then add the nifty features your members are asking for or expecting

this might also seem like common sense but make absolutely sure you cater to the LOWEST common denominator of user - make it so simple even a retard can use it.. the less clicks required the better

Amen to that shit BRO.

I am basically looking for the basic functionality to begin with.

1. The Chat piece
2. The webcam with private and HD/full screen payment upgrade
3. Ad placement
4. Billing API
5. Model scheduling.

Once that basic piece is done. I am looking to add in more of the social network components and bells and whistles.

My best guess is this will take a year or so to get all the modules, or pieces I want. However, in the meantime, it will provide a nice retention and sales channel for my models to make some more money, and another revenue stream for me to finance bigger things.

tical · 02-21-2009, 09:50 PM

i would scrap any integrated form of model scheduling other than just simple text

models do not follow schedules, they will jump all over the place and have no commitment to anything unless they're making $ and even then they work when they want

the chat piece (and #2) would probably take the longest but honestly that is most likely just going to be a flash frontend for a pretty standard core set of functionality (stream video, show text, record duration, join / part rooms)...

the billing api is straight forward if you have a solid gateway

fraud control should be a huge concern - check out maxmind.com, they offer a 'risk' assessment of users based on region, browser settings, proxies, etc.. saved us quite a bit

use flash media server and install it on a windows machine - my experience showed that linux was not stable at all with their product... maybe they've fixed that but it was not stable at all until we moved to windows oddly enough

anyway, good luck to ya!

mmcfadden · 02-21-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tical

good luck, i think you'll end up having to go custom for that route

which is better anyway, just make sure you keep it simple from the start & add as needed... i've got fairly decent experience building webcam sites

i've got a similar question to barefootsies. can you hit me up when you get a chance? either ICQ or mmcfadden at vstrippoker dot com

Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 10:33 PM

There are some elements in this that are different than a traditional 'chat' and webcam.

1. The girls will be paid hourly at the beginning, and this will be integrated into my current membership, and websites. So there is a set schedule for them to be on as they are paid upfront, and I recoup via cam and upgrade money. I can then advertise or promote accordingly.

2. I can see as the network expands to allow other webmasters, and remote access for girls to log in at any time, and make additional money, where scheduling can become problematic. However, in the beginning. It will be more tightly controlled since it is my models, and they are going to have to schedule time blocks.

3. Good looking out on the fraud control.

4. I am not familiar with the server set ups you mentioned, and I do not think PHAT has Windows servers. Which is where having someone that is techie comes in handy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tical

i would scrap any integrated form of model scheduling other than just simple text

models do not follow schedules, they will jump all over the place and have no commitment to anything unless they're making $ and even then they work when they want

the chat piece (and #2) would probably take the longest but honestly that is most likely just going to be a flash frontend for a pretty standard core set of functionality (stream video, show text, record duration, join / part rooms)...

the billing api is straight forward if you have a solid gateway

fraud control should be a huge concern - check out maxmind.com, they offer a 'risk' assessment of users based on region, browser settings, proxies, etc.. saved us quite a bit

use flash media server and install it on a windows machine - my experience showed that linux was not stable at all with their product... maybe they've fixed that but it was not stable at all until we moved to windows oddly enough

anyway, good luck to ya!

Barefootsies · 02-21-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden

i've got a similar question to barefootsies. can you hit me up when you get a chance? either ICQ or mmcfadden at vstrippoker dot com

Will do McHoss.

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 01:29 AM

So far, initial quotes in the $4500-5000.00 for the basic package.

znoz · 02-22-2009, 02:39 AM

Get a quote from http://www.xicom.biz/ excellent developers, fast reliable and fairly cheap.. they also give you full IP rights so you can resell the product etc..

Robbie · 02-22-2009, 02:45 AM

http://nearlythere.net/

GotGauge · 02-22-2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

There are some elements in this that are different than a traditional 'chat' and webcam.

1. The girls will be paid hourly at the beginning, and this will be integrated into my current membership, and websites. So there is a set schedule for them to be on as they are paid upfront, and I recoup via cam and upgrade money. I can then advertise or promote accordingly.

2. I can see as the network expands to allow other webmasters, and remote access for girls to log in at any time, and make additional money, where scheduling can become problematic. However, in the beginning. It will be more tightly controlled since it is my models, and they are going to have to schedule time blocks.

3. Good looking out on the fraud control.

4. I am not familiar with the server set ups you mentioned, and I do not think PHAT has Windows servers. Which is where having someone that is techie comes in handy.

I have been running Cam Girls since 2000!
All I can say in Good Luck, and get some good stress meds!

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by znoz

Get a quote from http://www.xicom.biz/ excellent developers, fast reliable and fairly cheap.. they also give you full IP rights so you can resell the product etc..

Nice. Thanks mang.

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

http://nearlythere.net/

Thanks BRO.

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GotGauge

I have been running Cam Girls since 2000!
All I can say in Good Luck, and get some good stress meds!

Got Xanex. Mainly use for traveling anymore. But got it covered.

Nicky · 02-22-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Got Xanex. Mainly use for traveling anymore. But got it covered.

hehe, good luck to ya, lot's of projects going now huh?

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

hehe, good luck to ya, lot's of projects going now huh?

Just trying to keep up with you hoss...

Luckily I have a few limited, and strategic partnerships now going with blogs and TGP to spread the load.

Nicky · 02-22-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Just trying to keep up with you hoss...

Luckily I have a few limited, and strategic partnerships now going with blogs and TGP to spread the load.

hah you're way a head I tell you

btw, damn I'm hungry lol

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 02:09 PM

This is close
http://www.softservice.org/products_...o_pricing.html

But much more than I need, and missing the Yahoo Chat element. If there was a scaled down version, including what I was looking for in chat piece, this would be almost what I need in my initial launch.

Also, I am not looking for expensive hosting, and lease, added in. I can host it myself.

Juilan · 02-22-2009, 02:37 PM

Probably custom is going to be the only way to get the end of day deliverable matching your specs.

Barefootsies · 02-22-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

Probably custom is going to be the only way to get the end of day deliverable matching your specs.

Yep. It's looking that way.

Now I just need a baseline or two so it makes it easier for me to get what I am looking for. The link above is close. I am looking at a few others. Hopefully between a few different applications I can piece together what I need. Short and long term.

xsabn · 02-22-2009, 05:01 PM

bookmarked.. to drunk to read it now

Abbie · 02-22-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

This is close
http://www.softservice.org/products_...o_pricing.html

This is what we use and camwithherand numerous other sites on the net use etc. However, we've quite customized it to our liking. We have four fulltime developers who have split their time into contributing a great deal into taking this software and making it exactly what we need...and Dmitry (he's in charge of softservice) has been extremely helpful in working with our developers.

You may not find exactly what you want, but if you are looking for something you can customize and build on, I recommend this.

Barefootsies · 02-23-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abbie

This is what we use and camwithherand numerous other sites on the net use etc. However, we've quite customized it to our liking. We have four fulltime developers who have split their time into contributing a great deal into taking this software and making it exactly what we need...and Dmitry (he's in charge of softservice) has been extremely helpful in working with our developers.

You may not find exactly what you want, but if you are looking for something you can customize and build on, I recommend this.

Good feedback. Appreciated.

pornguy · 02-23-2009, 11:28 AM

BF. there is a lot more to it than you can imagine. and remember that the person that starts the system needs to be the guy that finishes it. he needs to be able to do it all.

Barefootsies · 02-23-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

BF. there is a lot more to it than you can imagine. and remember that the person that starts the system needs to be the guy that finishes it. he needs to be able to do it all.

You are so right there.

One of the reasons I am doing all the research before sinking a ton of money into something. Especially having it in modules for the long term development. I do not want to have to rebuild a site from scratch because you want some added function in 5 years.

Jim_Gunn · 02-23-2009, 12:22 PM

I think you will find that the technological end of it is the easy part, even though you may spend thousands of dollars and months setting that up. Wait until you need to fill a schedule with some girls to sit around on webcams every day. That will make booking video shoots seem easy!

Barefootsies · 02-23-2009, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I think you will find that the technological end of it is the easy part, even though you may spend thousands of dollars and months setting that up. Wait until you need to fill a schedule with some girls to sit around on webcams every day. That will make booking video shoots seem easy!

Well, I am looking to start with a couple of hours every other day, and as more of these girls beg me for money, then I can plug them in accordingly. Also I can recruit some more girls for the chat, and cam.

I talk to plenty of women weekly who want to work. But not everyone is down for sucking a mean one. So they may be more willing to do chat, and cam as an option.

02-21-2009, 07:58 PM	#1
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	The Webcam Partnership Dilema Here is what has come out of weeks of research and conversations. 1. Either very simple, cheap stuff from certain areas that is not what I am looking for. 2. Or the back door, white label, be a part of our network. But your customers can leave for us bargain. Think co-branded. 3. The partnership. Either in cash investment, or the coding partnership with the 50/50 deal. I supply the girls, niche, traffic. They provide the software and code. 4. The very high end expensive software that has a licensing, and monthly fee. Not to mention these tend to either have more than I need, or too little. What I am looking for is this.... 1. Yahoo Chat type of interface. Flash, java, whatever that is. If you do not know what Yahoo Chat is, looks or works like. Do not spam me your crap. 2. I want the ability for my girl(s) to be in the chat via small webcam feed. So they can be in the group chat, but their is only a small window. If you want private, or you want a HD, full screen view. It costs money. PPS or membership. 3. I want the chat platform to be modular. Meaning that there is a basic application, and it pieces together software wise by modules. This allows me to expand as I need to without having to start back over from ground zero over time. I can also 'contract out' to get specialists for certain things if we need a skill set or special code/app/function. 4. The chat must allow for different payment methods using most known processors, and types. 5. Remote access. The girls can be here in my new office, or they can (eventually) log in remotely from their house via software. This is a wishlist item not needed in basic initial application. 6. Cam shows can be recorded easily for promotions, and archive. 7. Ability to add in profiles for members and models, and build in social network aspect over time. Another long term wish list item. 8. Affiliate program build. This is another wishlist item. But long term, I want other sites to be able to sign up and promote. Whether their own sites, or network. I have yet to find what I am looking for close enough, and am starting to think the custom coding option is going to be what I need to do. Next question from there is, look at the partnership, or finance it long term. If you have some other cam/social networking types of sites you like, enjoy working with, converting well for you. Feel free to drop some links. A lot of the chat software, and companies I looked at run together. There are a half dozen stand outs. But they are either much too big for what I am looking for on this scale, or not enough. I do not need a super webcam chat to be an AFF. I am working in smaller niche markets. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?" Last edited by Barefootsies; 02-21-2009 at 08:00 PM..

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Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	This is close http://www.softservice.org/products_...o_pricing.html But much more than I need, and missing the Yahoo Chat element. If there was a scaled down version, including what I was looking for in chat piece, this would be almost what I need in my initial launch. Also, I am not looking for expensive hosting, and lease, added in. I can host it myself. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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02-21-2009, 08:53 PM	#5
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	good luck, i think you'll end up having to go custom for that route which is better anyway, just make sure you keep it simple from the start & add as needed... i've got fairly decent experience building webcam sites

02-21-2009, 09:01 PM	#7
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	no prob with custom there might be a bit of costs early but you're able to avoid all sorts of useless bloat and know EXACTLY how your application works again, keep it EXTREMELY simple from the beginning - meat & potatoes, get the core of it functional and start making some $ - then add the nifty features your members are asking for or expecting this might also seem like common sense but make absolutely sure you cater to the LOWEST common denominator of user - make it so simple even a retard can use it.. the less clicks required the better

02-21-2009, 09:50 PM	#9
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	i would scrap any integrated form of model scheduling other than just simple text models do not follow schedules, they will jump all over the place and have no commitment to anything unless they're making $ and even then they work when they want the chat piece (and #2) would probably take the longest but honestly that is most likely just going to be a flash frontend for a pretty standard core set of functionality (stream video, show text, record duration, join / part rooms)... the billing api is straight forward if you have a solid gateway fraud control should be a huge concern - check out maxmind.com, they offer a 'risk' assessment of users based on region, browser settings, proxies, etc.. saved us quite a bit use flash media server and install it on a windows machine - my experience showed that linux was not stable at all with their product... maybe they've fixed that but it was not stable at all until we moved to windows oddly enough anyway, good luck to ya!

02-22-2009, 02:39 AM	#14
znoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 133	Get a quote from http://www.xicom.biz/ excellent developers, fast reliable and fairly cheap.. they also give you full IP rights so you can resell the product etc..

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Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I think you will find that the technological end of it is the easy part, even though you may spend thousands of dollars and months setting that up. Wait until you need to fill a schedule with some girls to sit around on webcams every day. That will make booking video shoots seem easy!