For all the uneducated sheep who say Pot is bad for you. (video)

[notoldschool]

Wrong. Its proven that the canaboids can actually be very good for stopping cancers and tumor growth.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/d...your_fate.html

Then again if you dont beleive in science and only believe in religious myths then you wont understand this.

[pornask]

Marijuana has been used as medicine for 10 000 years. It's been only in last few decades that it's been labelled "a drug".

Watch The union Documentary on Marijuana

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Wrong. Its proven that the canaboids can actually be very good for stopping cancers and tumor growth.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/d...your_fate.html

Then again if you dont beleive in science and only believe in religious myths then you wont understand this.

Cannabinoids have some positive health effects, but pot can also have a number of negative effects on both physical and mental health. Especially when smoking it, since that damages the lungs as much as smoking tobacco does.

Marijuana is neither the dangerous drug some governments make it out to be, nor the miracle drug some activists make it out to be. When taken in moderation by a physically and mentally healthy person, both positive and adverse effects are close to negligible.

So, for most people, it's just a somewhat healthier way to get a buzz than drinking. For some (asthmatics, people with mental health problems), it's risky. For others (people undergoing chemo, people suffering from MS, people suffering from glaucoma) it can have significant benefits.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Especially when smoking it, since that damages the lungs as much as smoking tobacco does.

Completly FALSE!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Completly FALSE!

That would be more convincing if you had managed to spell "completely" correctly

Aside from that, no, it's not false. A rather large number of studies have been done on the subject, and although many contradict each other, the prevailing view is that marijuana is not directly linked to lung cancer, but is directly linked to precancerous changes in the lungs, and is also directly linked to a number of other lung-related illnesses.

Basically, smoking and inhaling pretty much anything is bad for you.

[burntfilm]

some weed doesn't have to be completely positive, most people do it for fun and that's fine.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Libertine

That would be more convincing if you had managed to spell "completely" correctly

Aside from that, no, it's not false. A rather large number of studies have been done on the subject, and although many contradict each other, the prevailing view is that marijuana is not directly linked to lung cancer, but is directly linked to precancerous changes in the lungs, and is also directly linked to a number of other lung-related illnesses.

Basically, smoking and inhaling pretty much anything is bad for you.

I love people that base fact and fiction on a board post spelling. LOL. I type so fast on here that Im shocked I dont mispell more shit. If your have to resort to grammer attacks you are reaching for straws.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I love people that base fact and fiction on a board post spelling. LOL. I type so fast on here that Im shocked I dont mispell more shit. If your have to resort to grammer attacks you are reaching for straws.

Way to ignore the rest of the post there, champ.

Also, my straws are bigger than yours.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3...ctPlusDru gs1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7...gdbfrom=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9...gdbfrom=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...gdbfrom=pubmed

[Mike*]

Libertine FTW

[LBBV]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Cannabinoids have some positive health effects, but pot can also have a number of negative effects on both physical and mental health. Especially when smoking it, since that damages the lungs as much as smoking tobacco does.

While you are correct that inhaling ANYTHING is bad for you, there is one thing that is forgotten when people compare pot to cigarettes with regards to the negative effects on the lungs.

The typical cigarette smoker smokes 20 or more cigarettes a day where I would bet that a typical pot smoker probably doesn't smoke an entire joint in a week

I would guess that just inhaling the air of any smog-filled downtown city over a one week period is probably just as damaging to your lungs as smoking a joint a week (this last statement is NOT fact - just my own opinion )

Not that I know ANYTHING about pot...I just read about it in a book once - honest!

-- Bill

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by LBBV

While you are correct that inhaling ANYTHING is bad for you, there is one thing that is forgotten when people compare pot to cigarettes with regards to the negative effects on the lungs.

The typical cigarette smoker smokes 20 or more cigarettes a day where I would bet that a typical pot smoker probably doesn't smoke an entire joint in a week

I would guess that just inhaling the air of any smog-filled downtown city over a one week period is probably just as damaging to your lungs as smoking a joint a week (this last statement is NOT fact - just my own opinion )

Not that I know ANYTHING about pot...I just read about it in a book once - honest!

-- Bill

You're absolutely right on that one. Smoking a pack of cigarettes a day will definitely do far more harm than smoking a joint a week.

However, a number of people who smoke pot easily smoke several joints a day, and that is as harmful as smoking several cigarettes a day - and it can be more harmful than living in a typical smog-filled city.

Also, keep in mind that living in smog-filled cities actually does quite a bit of harm. Ground-level ozone and particulate matter can do far more damage than most people realize.

But anyway, the main thing I'm trying to emphasize in this thread is this: smoking pot in moderation isn't all that bad, but in large quantities, it simply isn't good for your health. The same as with most enjoyable things, really.

[$5 submissions]

Do cannabinoids have antioxidant properties?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You're absolutely right on that one. Smoking a pack of cigarettes a day will definitely do far more harm than smoking a joint a week.

However, a number of people who smoke pot easily smoke several joints a day, and that is as harmful as smoking several cigarettes a day - and it can be more harmful than living in a typical smog-filled city.

Also, keep in mind that living in smog-filled cities actually does quite a bit of harm. Ground-level ozone and particulate matter can do far more damage than most people realize.

But anyway, the main thing I'm trying to emphasize in this thread is this: smoking pot in moderation isn't all that bad, but in large quantities, it simply isn't good for your health. The same as with most enjoyable things, really.

Not true at all. There are WAY more harmfull toxins/chemicals in cigarettes including ratioactive material sprayed on the tobacco crops. Your misinformed at the very least making a totally false statement like that.

[420]

Alcohol is miracle drug for dental work.

[WarChild]

People who smoke marijuana - even heavy, long-term marijuana users - do not appear to be at increased risk of developing lung cancer. Marijuana smoking also does not appear to increase the risk of head and neck cancers, such as cancer of the tongue, mouth, throat, or esophagus.

These findings were a surprise to the researchers. "We expected that we would find that a history of heavy marijuana use - more than 500-1,000 uses - would increase the risk of cancer from several years to decades after exposure to marijuana," said the senior researcher, Donald Tashkin, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA in Los Angeles.

The study looked at 611 people in Los Angeles County who developed lung cancer, 601 who developed cancer of the head or neck regions, and 1,040 people without cancer who were matched on age, gender and neighborhood.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/There...er-24575.shtml

[Bored]

i like pot -~

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Not true at all. There are WAY more harmfull toxins/chemicals in cigarettes including ratioactive material sprayed on the tobacco crops. Your misinformed at the very least making a totally false statement like that.

You make statements, yet present zero proof.

As for radioactive materials in cigarettes... that's actually true, but that's not because they're being sprayed on the crops. The source consists of particles present in both soil and fertilizer, and it can affect marijuana as well, depending on the soil and fertilizer being used.

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Not true at all. There are WAY more harmfull toxins/chemicals in cigarettes including ratioactive material sprayed on the tobacco crops. Your misinformed at the very least making a totally false statement like that.

You're completely ignorant if you believe that smoking pot (Let alone anything else) is harmless to the lungs. Smoking anything over time will cause damage to the lung.

I'm honestly all for the legalization for pot, but all this pretending like it has absolutely zero negative side effects is a fucking prime example of ignorance.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by WarChild

People who smoke marijuana - even heavy, long-term marijuana users - do not appear to be at increased risk of developing lung cancer. Marijuana smoking also does not appear to increase the risk of head and neck cancers, such as cancer of the tongue, mouth, throat, or esophagus.

These findings were a surprise to the researchers. "We expected that we would find that a history of heavy marijuana use - more than 500-1,000 uses - would increase the risk of cancer from several years to decades after exposure to marijuana," said the senior researcher, Donald Tashkin, M.D., Professor of Medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA in Los Angeles.

The study looked at 611 people in Los Angeles County who developed lung cancer, 601 who developed cancer of the head or neck regions, and 1,040 people without cancer who were matched on age, gender and neighborhood.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/There...er-24575.shtml

Like I already said, there are many studies, which often contradict each other. Like I also said, the prevailing view is that marijuana is not directly linked to lung cancer.

Here's an abstract of a paper by the same Tashkin whose research the article you linked to was based on:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224

Whereas THC causes modest short-term bronchodilation, regular marijuana smoking produces a number of long-term pulmonary consequences, including chronic cough and sputum, histopathologic evidence of widespread airway inflammation and injury and immunohistochemical evidence of dysregulated growth of respiratory epithelial cells, that may be precursors to lung cancer. The THC in marijuana could contribute to some of these injurious changes through its ability to augment oxidative stress, cause mitochondrial dysfunction, and inhibit apoptosis. On the other hand, physiologic, clinical or epidemiologic evidence that marijuana smoking may lead to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or respiratory cancer is limited and inconsistent. Habitual use of marijuana is also associated with abnormalities in the structure and function of alveolar macrophages, including impairment in microbial phagocytosis and killing that is associated with defective production of immunostimulatory cytokines and nitric oxide, thereby potentially predisposing to pulmonary infection.

And here's a piece linking marijuana use to testicular cancer:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Or another study linking marijuana use to cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9726006

Basically, at this point in time, there's no consensus on the exact long-term effects of habitual marijuana use. However, studies done so far indicate that smoking marijuana isn't exactly healthy, even if the risks associated with it appear to be fairly limited.

But I'm done with this thread. To anyone without a strong personal interest in the matter, it should be clear that smoking pot in moderation is neither healthy nor extremely unhealthy.

[Spunky]

Good reason to twist one up

[SuckOnThis]

Actually there are almost 600 additives that are added to cigarettes that makes them more harmful and toxic than if one was to smoke pure tobacco. This is what makes smoking cigarettes a lot more dangerous than marijuana. Marijuana is an amazing plant that has been demonized by our govt for so long that the truth about its qualities are just beginning to surface. If this plant was just discovered on some remote island it would be hailed as a miracle drug.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Like I already said, there are many studies, which often contradict each other. Like I also said, the prevailing view is that marijuana is not directly linked to lung cancer.

Here's an abstract of a paper by the same Tashkin whose research the article you linked to was based on:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224



And here's a piece linking marijuana use to testicular cancer:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Or another study linking marijuana use to cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9726006

Basically, at this point in time, there's no consensus on the exact long-term effects of habitual marijuana use. However, studies done so far indicate that smoking marijuana isn't exactly healthy, even if the risks associated with it appear to be fairly limited.

But I'm done with this thread. To anyone without a strong personal interest in the matter, it should be clear that smoking pot in moderation is neither healthy nor extremely unhealthy.

You are quoting government studies and databases, they have ZERO credibility as far as marijuana is concerned. Your DARE teacher must have had some big ass tits.

[escorpio]

Dude, you can totally make killer rope out of it.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

You're completely ignorant if you believe that smoking pot (Let alone anything else) is harmless to the lungs. Smoking anything over time will cause damage to the lung.

I'm honestly all for the legalization for pot, but all this pretending like it has absolutely zero negative side effects is a fucking prime example of ignorance.

The argument was against pot being as harmfull as cigarettes when smoked. Its PROVEN over and over that is false. You are the ignorant one for jumping in a thread, not reading, and posting your ignorant statement. NOTHING is harmless, but when compared to smoking cigarettes, marijuana is harmless. Jackass.

[Donfoolio]

The ONLY problem I have with weed is that it LOWERS testosterone. I have always known as a herb used in moderation it is healthy though... I wish I could sell it on my health store! haha

[slapass]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Wrong. Its proven that the canaboids can actually be very good for stopping cancers and tumor growth.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/d...your_fate.html

Then again if you dont beleive in science and only believe in religious myths then you wont understand this.

I don't fear the effects of the drug, I worry about dealing with criminals to get it. Also paying good tax money to keep it out of the country so then feels dumber then fuck to circumvent those very same people to give money to the other side.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Cannabinoids have some positive health effects, but pot can also have a number of negative effects on both physical and mental health. Especially when smoking it, since that damages the lungs as much as smoking tobacco does.

Marijuana is neither the dangerous drug some governments make it out to be, nor the miracle drug some activists make it out to be. When taken in moderation by a physically and mentally healthy person, both positive and adverse effects are close to negligible.

So, for most people, it's just a somewhat healthier way to get a buzz than drinking. For some (asthmatics, people with mental health problems), it's risky. For others (people undergoing chemo, people suffering from MS, people suffering from glaucoma) it can have significant benefits.

+1, just because smoking is not known to cause lung cancer doesn't mean it's not bad for you. I love how people ignore the fact that Marijuana smoke has CARBON MONOXIDE, TAR and 400+ known chemicals. A couple studies showing one or two benefits doesn't mean it's GOOD for you. A beer / glass a wine a day is good for your heart, that doesn't mean drinking is good for you.

[Donfoolio]

Originally Posted by slapass

I don't fear the effects of the drug, I worry about dealing with criminals to get it. Also paying good tax money to keep it out of the country so then feels dumber then fuck to circumvent those very same people to give money to the other side.

WTF? dealing with "criminals" to get it? Oooo tax money spent to stop them! Are you for real? Where do you live? A fucking BUBBLE? I'm appalled people like this even exist on MY earth! Single people like YOU are exponentially more of a problem than even the dirtiest murderer/thugg/drug kingpin in the FUCKING WORLD! And if you don't know why you never will...

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

+1, just because smoking is not known to cause lung cancer doesn't mean it's not bad for you. I love how people ignore the fact that Marijuana smoke has CARBON MONOXIDE, TAR and 400+ known chemicals. A couple studies showing one or two benefits doesn't mean it's GOOD for you. A beer / glass a wine a day is good for your heart, that doesn't mean drinking is good for you.

This somewhat true but you forget to mention that drinking a can of soda a day is worse for you than smoking a joint. How about coffee, cigarette, alchohol, tylonol, asprin, candy bar, .....they are are all just as if not more dangerous than smoking weed, but the goverment doesnt mind you getting heart disease from ingesting them in large amounts. So whats your point?

[lazycash]

I love these threads, helps me pinpoint the potheads.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

smoking ANY plant material is unhealthy, end of argument.

i'm a pothead, i love weed.

but if you believe that smoking it has no negative effects, you're no less a sheep than the naysayers...

[Beaver Bob]

marjiuana needs to be legalized now

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by lazycash

I love these threads, helps me pinpoint the potheads.

Me too, helps me pinpoint the right wing repressive facists.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Me too, helps me pinpoint the right wing repressive facists.

touche

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

This somewhat true but you forget to mention that drinking a can of soda a day is worse for you than smoking a joint. How about coffee, cigarette, alchohol, tylonol, asprin, candy bar, .....they are are all just as if not more dangerous than smoking weed, but the goverment doesnt mind you getting heart disease from ingesting them in large amounts. So whats your point?

My point is it is BAD for you, just like alcohol, candy, fatty foods, etc. I smoked MJ for a long time, and after I quit I definitely noticed a big difference, weed effects a lot of things which you don't notice when you've been smoking for a long time. I'm not against weed, if you want to smoke, then smoke all you want. You don't have to convince anyone of it's benefits.

In my experience.

It puts you in a rut, smoking day after day.
It reduced my motivation overall.
I ate unhealthy and didn't exercise nearly as much when I was smoking.
After I quit I felt my mind was a lot clearer, I also felt less anxious.

However, I do believe weed effects everyone different.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

smoking ANY plant material is unhealthy, end of argument.

i'm a pothead, i love weed.

but if you believe that smoking it has no negative effects, you're no less a sheep than the naysayers...

Well said!!

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

The argument was against pot being as harmfull as cigarettes when smoked. Its PROVEN over and over that is false. You are the ignorant one for jumping in a thread, not reading, and posting your ignorant statement. NOTHING is harmless, but when compared to smoking cigarettes, marijuana is harmless. Jackass.

Which is it? Is it harmless? Or is it not harmless? Keep track of your ignorance you twit

Originally Posted by notoldschool

We now live in bazarro world. A cancer patient is not allowed to smoke a harmless plant but they can get a fucking death pill prescribed. Fucking insane.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=890898

Originally Posted by notoldschool

You sound so stupid. Your argument makes no sense. You call us sheep yet you follow along with the negative lies that the goverment feeds you about a harmless and absolutly beneficial plant. I bet you do atleast one of the following....smoke, drink alchohol, drink atleast a soda a day, or take some sort of pill. Guess what...they are all atleast as or more dangerous than being a casual smoker of mary jane. For you to say you hate smokers just shows what a complete asshole you are. How about wasting your energy hating something that has a negative effect on humans.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=890762

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I love people that base fact and fiction on a board post spelling. LOL. I type so fast on here that Im shocked I dont mispell more shit. If your have to resort to grammer attacks you are reaching for straws.

pathetic come back. go suck your own dick.

[scottybuzz]

i dont understand ok. some governments are evil but over 90% ban the use of this drug why?

is it simply because it's a blackman drug?

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

pathetic come back. go suck your own dick.

You forgot to capitalize the first letter in each of your sentences. FAIL.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

i dont understand ok. some governments are evil but over 90% ban the use of this drug why?

is it simply because it's a blackman drug?

Black mans drug? Do you know what marijuana is?

[devine]