Tubes!!!!! Tubes!!!!! Tubes!!!!! Tubes!!!!!

[sortie]

Here we go again :

People/companies with large pockets are going to fight for a market share of
traffic. This will never end.

They are fighting by giving away free porn, this will never stop.

The final model of the free porn site will eventually get here some day and it will work like this :

A big company will open a studio/production company, put performers on salary,
they will do between 3 and 10 shoots per day and post the entire full length videos
on their website for free.

Why???

Because "First you get the power then you get the money then you get the pussy".
(Scar Face 1983)


Traffic is the power.

The big boys only want the power right now because when you have all the power the
money has no where to flow except to you.


So people who are still pissed at tube sites have a whole new level of being pissed
comming their way in the future.

Stop thinking about things that can not change and spend your time thinking about how
to make something that works despite the existence of tube sites.


I'm not looking for a flame here, but only trying to say that we have probably
1000 threads on this board with ideas of how to "bring down the tubes"; but I
don't see threads about a website model that will survive regardless of tubes.
That's the solution.

[marketsmart]

if you are going to quote the legend, Tony Montana, please do it correctly..

"first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman"

k thnx.........

[fris]

dating programs need to stop prepaying ad deals, or they wouldnt be able to survive

[Si]

Selling banner spots on tube site. hit me up!

[sortie]

Originally Posted by fris

dating programs need to stop prepaying ad deals, or they wouldnt be able to survive

I guess you didn't bother to read everything I posted.

[frankie_gunn]

Originally Posted by sortie

A big company will open a studio/production company, put performers on salary,
they will do between 3 and 10 shoots per day and post the entire full length videos
on their website for free.

And what will happen when they will start to ask for money again?

Woldn't that powerful traffic go back to tubes?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by frankie_gunn

And what will happen when they will start to ask for money again?

Woldn't that powerful traffic go back to tubes?

If someone who knew what they were doing
ran the site then they would never start asking for money but simply start accepting
money for placements of ads.


Look at your TV and figure it out; channel 2 evening News ain't asking you for shit are they?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

if you are going to quote the legend, Tony Montana, please do it correctly..

"first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman"

k thnx.........

Guess that's what I get for watching bootleg copies.
I've been mis-quoting this shit for 20 years.

[Carmine Raguso]

[frankie_gunn]

Originally Posted by sortie

If someone who knew what they were doing
ran the site then they would never start asking for money but simply start accepting
money for placements of ads.


Look at your TV and figure it out; channel 2 evening News ain't asking you for shit are they?

You have a point, but still I don't think things will change in this industry.

And if the behaviour of the customer will change to the benefit of tube sites, I think the big porn companies will simply go and just buy those few big tube sites. It would be cheaper and more effective.

[Libertine]

You're partly wrong.

While free porn definitely is the future, sites mainly posting videos of salaried performers certainly aren't.

Rather, tubes posting an ever-increasing amount of both exclusive and non-exclusive content are the way it will go, possibly with a bunch of free live cams thrown in for good measure. That provides both the quantity as well as the variety that is needed to compete.

Just like many tv networks contract production studios and buy licenses for old shows, porn tubes will do the same.

The shitty part: there's only room for a few dozen truly high-traffic tubes like this, since you need to be able to have a decent amount of content to compete. And competing on content with other tubes means you will need to match their investments.

Of course, niches are another matter altogether.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You're partly wrong.

While free porn definitely is the future, sites mainly posting videos of salaried performers certainly aren't.

Rather, tubes posting an ever-increasing amount of both exclusive and non-exclusive content are the way it will go, possibly with a bunch of free live cams thrown in for good measure. That provides both the quantity as well as the variety that is needed to compete.

Just like many tv networks contract production studios and buy licenses for old shows, porn tubes will do the same.

The shitty part: there's only room for a few dozen truly high-traffic tubes like this, since you need to be able to have a decent amount of content to compete. And competing on content with other tubes means you will need to match their investments.

Of course, niches are another matter altogether.

Where do you think they are going to get this content you speak of after the internet
works out the copyright theft problem?

Will they pay for license of the content then and have everyone on the internet
compete with the same content, or will they pay out the rear for exclusive content,
or will they save money and be exclusive by using salaried production and performer staff?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Yeah, but I'm proud of failing all on my own. Thanks.

[Iron Fist]

Toooooobes

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by sortie

Where do you think they are going to get this content you speak of after the internet
works out the copyright theft problem?

Will they pay for license of the content then and have everyone on the internet
compete with the same content, or will they pay out the rear for exclusive content,
or will they save money and be exclusive by using salaried production and performer staff?

Like I said, they'll use a combination of exclusive and non-exclusive content - obviously paid for. The non-exclusive content, as well as part of the exclusive content, will be bought from production companies.

A portion of the exclusive content will be produced in-house, but mostly with ever-changing performers without a contract. For some performers, of course, there will be contracts and salaries.

The exclusive content will function to distinguish them from other sites and pull in traffic, while a vast database of cheap non-exclusive content will make sure that customers always have a reason to come back, and can always find something to their liking.

Having the performers in most of the exclusive content under contract simply wouldn't be cost-effective, since concepts that aren't based around one or several female performers typically require lots of variety in models.

The contracted performers will be the ones that now get their own sites - top quality models that are able to build a large following.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Like I said, they'll use a combination of exclusive and non-exclusive content - obviously paid for. The non-exclusive content, as well as part of the exclusive content, will be bought from production companies.

A portion of the exclusive content will be produced in-house, but mostly with ever-changing performers without a contract. For some performers, of course, there will be contracts and salaries.

The exclusive content will function to distinguish them from other sites and pull in traffic, while a vast database of cheap non-exclusive content will make sure that customers always have a reason to come back, and can always find something to their liking.

Having the performers in most of the exclusive content under contract simply wouldn't be cost-effective, since concepts that aren't based around one or several female performers typically require lots of variety in models.

The contracted performers will be the ones that now get their own sites - top quality models that are able to build a large following.

This post wasn't really about every detail about how to run the website.
Just a notice that it's comming.

Having the performers in most of the exclusive content under contract simply wouldn't be cost-effective, since concepts that aren't based around one or several female performers typically require lots of variety in models.

Vivd video has done contracts just like I described above for decades.

You seem to be looking at this on a micro scale as if you were going to launch
this site. It will not be you unless you hit some $100million lottery.
This company is going to have 5-10 million dollars a year to spend on performer
talent alone!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by sortie

This post wasn't really about every detail about how to run the website.
Just a notice that it's comming.

Vivd video has done contracts just like I described above for decades.

You seem to be looking at this on a micro scale as if you were going to launch
this site. It will not be you unless you hit some $100million lottery.
This company is going to have 5-10 million dollars a year to spend on performer
talent alone!

How much they are able to spend isn't particularly important.

You shouldn't compare these future tube sites to existing studios. Rather, you should compare them to large adult video shops, where virtually every customer is able to find tons of videos of his liking.

Having tens of thousands of well-tagged non-exclusive scenes means most surfers will be able to find what they want ("black lesbians asslicking in threesomes"), meaning they will come back. Producing all of those yourself would cost both huge amounts of time and huge amounts of money, both of which are better spent elsewhere.

For most of that content, having exclusive licenses with exclusively contracted models simply wouldn't bring in significant benefits.

Only the models who could function as an actual independent product line would get exclusive contracts.

Keep in mind, no matter what the content budget is, using a relatively small portion of the budget on non-exclusive content provides a very large amount of value in terms of quantity and variety.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

How much they are able to spend isn't particularly important.

You shouldn't compare these future tube sites to existing studios. Rather, you should compare them to large adult video shops, where virtually every customer is able to find tons of videos of his liking.

Having tens of thousands of well-tagged non-exclusive scenes means most surfers will be able to find what they want ("black lesbians asslicking in threesomes"), meaning they will come back. Producing all of those yourself would cost both huge amounts of time and huge amounts of money, both of which are better spent elsewhere.

For most of that content, having exclusive licenses with exclusively contracted models simply wouldn't bring in significant benefits.

Only the models who could function as an actual independent product line would get exclusive contracts.

Keep in mind, no matter what the content budget is, using a relatively small portion of the budget on non-exclusive content provides a very large amount of value in terms of quantity and variety.

No matter what way you slice it;

this link here tells me something else :

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...sonblondes.com

It tells me that their ranking would fucking explode if all that niche content were
free. Dogfart brags that they spent $10million on content(which they did);
but that was over about 10 sites.

Spend 10 million on one site and free????

Some idiot or genius will ultimately do this.
Only the final money will decide the idiot or genius title.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by sortie

No matter what way you slice it;

this link here tells me something else :

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...sonblondes.com

It tells me that their ranking would fucking explode if all that niche content were
free. Dogfart brags that they spent $10million on content(which they did);
but that was over about 10 sites.

Spend 10 million on one site and free????

Some idiot or genius will ultimately do this.
Only the final money will decide the idiot or genius title.

Of course their ranking would explode if they made it free. And it would explode far more if they made it free and also added a million dollar's worth of cheap non-exclusive videos to it.

[BradM]

aren't you the guy who had a failed tube script cause you can't code

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You're partly wrong.

Mostly wrong.

Originally Posted by Libertine

While free porn definitely is the future, sites mainly posting videos of salaried performers certainly aren't.

Business 101. When it is free to make porn. Porn will be free. Until then, back to economics.

Originally Posted by Libertine

Just like many tv networks contract production studios and buy licenses for old shows, porn tubes will do the same.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Libertine

The shitty part: there's only room for a few dozen truly high-traffic tubes like this, since you need to be able to have a decent amount of content to compete. And competing on content with other tubes means you will need to match their investments.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Libertine

Of course, niches are another matter altogether.

True dat playa.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Of course their ranking would explode if they made it free. And it would explode far more if they made it free and also added a million dollar's worth of cheap non-exclusive videos to it.

No one's debating that they could/couldn't add more content.
I'm just saying it doesn't appear to even be needed.

[sortie]

Sure I can be wrong.
This isn't any exact science.

Good luck to those that "know" I'm wrong.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by sortie

No one's debating that they could/couldn't add more content.
I'm just saying it doesn't appear to even be needed.

And what I'm saying is that adding a significant amount of cheap, non-exclusive content is more beneficial than focusing solely on exclusive content and thereby severely lessening the amount of available content.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Libertine

And what I'm saying is that adding a significant amount of cheap, non-exclusive content is more beneficial than focusing solely on exclusive content and thereby severely lessening the amount of available content.

I don't promote pay sites that have 200k old videos because the volume does not
make me more sales than a small site with 100 exclusive videos.

If you've had a different experience then I can see why you lean that way.

Maybe we all try to analize this stuff too closely and draw conclusions that
may be dependent on our unique situation.

I wonder if playboy would be in trouble now if they had tried this.
At one time they certainly had the money to do it.
In playboy's case I would have gone your route for sure.
There would be no point in risking their business buy producing all new content at first.

So I see where you're heading, I just would prefer to come in to a game like this
with all new content. I don't want old videos comming up the first day and veteran
web sufers saying "ahh, new site but same stuff".

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by sortie

Sure I can be wrong.
This isn't any exact science.

Good luck to those that "know" I'm wrong.

No offense to you, or anyone, but when you talk in absolutism, "We all know the future of porn is free content", then you are just setting yourself up for .

I did not mean any offense to you champ.

[aniloscash]

I'm not a big fan of surfing tubes. Even with all the free shit a lot of it is just that shit.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by aniloscash

Even with all the free shit a lot of it is just that shit.

Same here. Even when I have found something new the quality is complete shit.
I would rather go buy it and get a decent quality version.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by aniloscash

I'm not a big fan of surfing tubes. Even with all the free shit a lot of it is just that shit.

True, true.

But I also don't surf TGPs either, never liked it.
I always prefered a paysite and would surf a tgp only to find the latest paysite.

[Robbie]

And all of this changes when the govt. steps in and changes the laws. That is what is really coming. And it won't be a good thing either. It will take away the headache of the illegit tubes stealing content...but at the same time it's going to completely destroy free sites, and with the destruction of free sites comes the destruction of advertising outlets for our paysites. All it will take is just one international law requiring a credit card to view ANY sex act online and that will be that

[Dennis69]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And all of this changes when the govt. steps in and changes the laws. That is what is really coming. And it won't be a good thing either. It will take away the headache of the illegit tubes stealing content...but at the same time it's going to completely destroy free sites, and with the destruction of free sites comes the destruction of advertising outlets for our paysites. All it will take is just one international law requiring a credit card to view ANY sex act online and that will be that

You hit the nail on the head... we can't regulate ourselves and the day is coming when the govt will do it for us then you'll see all the bitching but then it will be to late! Honestly I can't wait for that day to come!!!!

[brandonstills]

First you get the power then you get the money then you get the pussy

Why do you think browsers are free?

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And all of this changes when the govt. steps in and changes the laws. That is what is really coming. And it won't be a good thing either. It will take away the headache of the illegit tubes stealing content...but at the same time it's going to completely destroy free sites, and with the destruction of free sites comes the destruction of advertising outlets for our paysites. All it will take is just one international law requiring a credit card to view ANY sex act online and that will be that

Actually, if that day ever comes, prepare to dance in joy.

If free sites could only feature censored/non-nude content, conversions would go up so far your stats would make you jizz in your pants. Meanwhile, they'd still get traffic, since people looking for free stuff would still find the free sites even if they only featured teasing content.

Honestly, if the industry had any sense, it would be trying to make this happen.

[collegeboobies]

you are a genius

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Dennis69

You hit the nail on the head... we can't regulate ourselves and the day is coming when the govt will do it for us then you'll see all the bitching but then it will be to late! Honestly I can't wait for that day to come!!!!

I don't know who "we" or "ourselves" are. I run my own business and do business with many others. But nobody is in control of my company but me. We can all say that we are part of the same "industry" but only VERY loosely.

Some have no more connection to the adult biz other than being a designer, graphics person, programmer, billing solution, etc.

Others are salesmen (affiliates)

Others are performers and models.

Some are photographers and videographers.

Others are webmasters buying content for their generic paysites.

Then there's guys like me who have been in the affiliate game for a long time, owned a content company, and now have an affiliate program and write, shoot, direct, edit and mastermind and maintain claudia-marie.com

I don't need anybody to "regulate" me. But I know what you're trying to say. You're just speaking too broadly and generalizing.

The people who are doing the dumb shit on the internet aren't even in the adult biz. Those clowns running bit torrent sites and illegit tubes are mostly people who have never even met a porn person...much less have any skin in the game.

So I don't believe the REAL porn business has any hand in what is going to bring the govt. down upon us all. It's the fringe guys who are bloodsucking leaches trying to make a dollar without doing any work to earn it.

[TheSenator]

Instead of being against something, be for something instead.......Thats the way the universe works

[Dennis69]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't know who "we" or "ourselves" are. I run my own business and do business with many others. But nobody is in control of my company but me. We can all say that we are part of the same "industry" but only VERY loosely.

Some have no more connection to the adult biz other than being a designer, graphics person, programmer, billing solution, etc.

Others are salesmen (affiliates)

Others are performers and models.

Some are photographers and videographers.

Others are webmasters buying content for their generic paysites.

Then there's guys like me who have been in the affiliate game for a long time, owned a content company, and now have an affiliate program and write, shoot, direct, edit and mastermind and maintain claudia-marie.com

I don't need anybody to "regulate" me. But I know what you're trying to say. You're just speaking too broadly and generalizing.

The people who are doing the dumb shit on the internet aren't even in the adult biz. Those clowns running bit torrent sites and illegit tubes are mostly people who have never even met a porn person...much less have any skin in the game.

So I don't believe the REAL porn business has any hand in what is going to bring the govt. down upon us all. It's the fringe guys who are bloodsucking leaches trying to make a dollar without doing any work to earn it.

I agree that I maybe spoke to broadly... but I was talking about the sponpors and free site owners that are making this a massive blackhole! I don't agree with "The people who are doing the dumb shit on the internet aren't even in the adult biz." because you don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many are in the adult biz and have been for along time that are hurting this biz with tube sites etc!

[Dennis69]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Actually, if that day ever comes, prepare to dance in joy.

If free sites could only feature censored/non-nude content, conversions would go up so far your stats would make you jizz in your pants. Meanwhile, they'd still get traffic, since people looking for free stuff would still find the free sites even if they only featured teasing content.

Honestly, if the industry had any sense, it would be trying to make this happen.

I've been asking myself that question for the last 10 years... instead it's see how many you have to throw at the wall to try and get 1 to stick

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Dennis69

you don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many are in the adult biz and have been for along time that are hurting this biz with tube sites etc!

To some degree you're right...but I don't know any that actually shoot their own stuff that do that. Just the guys who buy content for their websites. Again...I guess they are in the business in a way. But only because they own paysites. Not because they really have any talent or abilities for producing anything.

[The Adult Broker]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Actually, if that day ever comes, prepare to dance in joy.

If free sites could only feature censored/non-nude content, conversions would go up so far your stats would make you jizz in your pants. Meanwhile, they'd still get traffic, since people looking for free stuff would still find the free sites even if they only featured teasing content.

Honestly, if the industry had any sense, it would be trying to make this happen.

I see what you are saying and didn't even have to 'see it all' to get the picture. Kind of like what you just said

[d-null]

surfers are smarter than you give them credit for and regardless of how many big tubes are in the game, the surfers will gravitate toward the ones that give them the most stolen content for free..... all the wannabe hosted sites and legal content sites will not be able to compete very well


just like youtube in mainstream, the surfer wants to be able to hear of any girl or niche or video and go to the site, type it in the search, and voila have the video in front of them for free..... they can tell which ones deliver and which ones don't and as the months go by those sites are the ones that will prevail

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't know who "we" or "ourselves" are. I run my own business and do business with many others. But nobody is in control of my company but me. We can all say that we are part of the same "industry" but only VERY loosely.

Some have no more connection to the adult biz other than being a designer, graphics person, programmer, billing solution, etc.

Others are salesmen (affiliates)

Others are performers and models.

Some are photographers and videographers.

Others are webmasters buying content for their generic paysites.

Then there's guys like me who have been in the affiliate game for a long time, owned a content company, and now have an affiliate program and write, shoot, direct, edit and mastermind and maintain claudia-marie.com

I don't need anybody to "regulate" me. But I know what you're trying to say. You're just speaking too broadly and generalizing.

The people who are doing the dumb shit on the internet aren't even in the adult biz. Those clowns running bit torrent sites and illegit tubes are mostly people who have never even met a porn person...much less have any skin in the game.

So I don't believe the REAL porn business has any hand in what is going to bring the govt. down upon us all. It's the fringe guys who are bloodsucking leaches trying to make a dollar without doing any work to earn it.

You are part of a industry whether you like it or not. They dont say tubes are giving free porn to kids , they say the adult industry is giving free porn to kids. And you not believing the real porn business has any hand,you surely didnt type that with a straight face.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by d-null

surfers are smarter than you give them credit for and regardless of how many big tubes are in the game, the surfers will gravitate toward the ones that give them the most stolen content for free..... all the wannabe hosted sites and legal content sites will not be able to compete very well


just like youtube in mainstream, the surfer wants to be able to hear of any girl or niche or video and go to the site, type it in the search, and voila have the video in front of them for free..... they can tell which ones deliver and which ones don't and as the months go by those sites are the ones that will prevail

No offense to you BRO. But you can't find anything and everything on a tube.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by tony404

You are part of a industry whether you like it or not. They dont say tubes are giving free porn to kids , they say the adult industry is giving free porn to kids. And you not believing the real porn business has any hand,you surely didnt type that with a straight face.

I sure did. Go ahead and name me a real content producing person who owns an illegit tube site...

And I really am not talking about what "they say" I'm talking about REALITY. The adult sex industry is comprised of many things. But to say that I'm in the same business as some guy who put up a tube script online and filled it with stolen content is bullshit.

That is kinda like saying that some thief who steals a car is in the same business as the CEO of Ford.

You are right about one thing...I AM a part of an industry. Just not the same one as some of the people we are being lumped in with.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

No offense to you BRO. But you can't find anything and everything on a tube.

you are right, there is still room for microniche (although by their nature of being microniches, there is not alot of money to go around to support an entire porn industry, but a few people can find their way)

but the tubes are getting better and better at covering all bases as the months go by

99.9% of surfers are quickly becoming satisfied by the offerings

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Robbie

All it will take is just one international law requiring a credit card to view ANY sex act online and that will be that

honestly this looks like copying my statement I made in the thread about tgps..

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...6&postcount=14

.. I believe AVS forced by laws would be the only good way things may change

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by d-null

but the tubes are getting better and better at covering all bases as the months go by

99.9% of surfers are quickly becoming satisfied by the offerings

Once again, generalized.

I know that my members, patrons, those on boards I am members of, and myself make up more than that .1% of people who are not happy with tube offerings.

I honestly think some members of the online business need to get out to more of the surfer boards and communities and actually read what people are saying. I am talking about true fan boards. Not theft boards.

I obviously do not visit all niches because I do not understand, nor care for all of them. But I know even my mainstream, hardcore friends, and complete strangers I ask about tubes are not satisfied with the offerings. Some still prefer pictures and MPG for clarify, or will sign up for a site.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

Why do you think browsers are free?

Because if anyone ever wins "The Browser War" they will have all the power there is
to have on the internet. Everything will have to go thru them to get to you.