Fuck the tubes!!! It's time for drastic measures

[Snake Doctor]

I have been thinking long and hard about how to fight the tubes. Some of the best and brightest in our industry have tried and failed.

After racking my brain for the better part of 6 minutes, I have decided that the only way we can stop tubes is to bring back Jon Clark.

Jon would know what to do. Every day I see dozens of people wearing bracelets and t-shirts that say "WWJD", which obviously means What Would Jon Do.

Well the only way we're going to find out is to unban him. So the petition starts now. GFY has to unban Jon Clark, for the sake of the industry. We can be denied his genius no longer.

Please Eric, Ice, Mr Hefner, and anyone else who's reading this, don't deny us our savior any longer.


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=878045

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Anyways... I know the state of the industry... Alot of people are not making money right now because they are trying the same ol shit... Or they have no clue how to do what they are trying to do... I have been begged back by many... In order for me to come back and save the day I need you guys to help me out here... Help me up and I will make it happen for all of us again!


That is a promise!

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Not going to name any names.. But I was in the background talking about tubes and how to profit from them for years... There is a few that can verify it if they want.. But doesn't matter.. I was not paid for consulting either.. It was all about the bigger picture, tubes would have ruined this industry if I would not have talked to a few of the right people about embracing them years ago...

I think that with Jon's genius, and a forced defection of gideongallery to our side, that the tube sites don't stand a chance.

[minddust]

Sig spot

[Snake Doctor]

Gideon may not come quietly....we may be forced to send in commandos to "time shift" him to our headquarters.

Then we can convince him to work for our side.

[HorseShit]

retarded much?

[brassmonkey]

damn isnt that a sin

[Fat Panda]

siiiiggggy

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Gideon may not come quietly....we may be forced to send in commandos to "time shift" him to our headquarters.

Then we can convince him to work for our side.

who is john clark, i assume this is a dig, but i don't know enough about this guy to really know.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

who is john clark, i assume this is a dig, but i don't know enough about this guy to really know.

I can't have a tube thread without mentioning you brah.

[abyss_al]

people looking for free porn will always look for free porn and will always get free porn... people who buy porn will always pay for porn...

you don't just lose the paying surfer to the free side unless something happens aka surfer gets popped with a bunch of prechex, charges, lack of support, etc...

tubes have nothing to do with it

[HeavenLeeGoddess]

Yes, unban him so I no longer have to post here.

[eroticsexxx]

There is always Plan B...

[HeavenLeeGoddess]

Not to mention, he never did anything to be banned for.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

who is john clark, i assume this is a dig, but i don't know enough about this guy to really know.

Just so you know, Jon Clark is the guy who kept tubes from completely ruining the industry the first time around, and he's the only one who can stop them from killing us in the future.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=878045

We need to bring him back or else the porn industry will evolve into it's post apocalyptic state, and by then it will be too late.

[Iron Fist]

Lots o' drama!

[mineistaken]

give more attention to Jon pleeeasse

[Joshua G]

Tubes are like the aggressive drivers in the fast lane. fuck the law, & do whatever it takes to get ahead.

as they say, if you cant beat em, join em.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

you don't just lose the paying surfer to the free side unless something happens

Like them finding tons of places giving away an endless supply of 5-10+ min clips covering virtually every niche?


"tube sites have nothing to do with it" --- Complete BS.

[HeavenLeeGoddess]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Like them finding tons of places giving away an endless supply of 5-10+ min clips covering virtually every niche?


"tube sites have nothing to do with it" --- Complete BS.

Our new tube site is full of 30-45 minute full scenes..

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Like them finding tons of places giving away an endless supply of 5-10+ min clips covering virtually every niche?


"tube sites have nothing to do with it" --- Complete BS.

They said the same thing about the MGP back in the day.

And the TGP before that.

And the link list before that.

And the pic post before that.

I know you'll say "but it's different this time"....but that was said about all the others, and you'll say "none of those gave away this much for free", but that was also said about all the others.

It's just the nature of things, margins shrink and business consolidates.

Not a perfect analogy but bandwidth margins used to be huge, so were cell phone margins with their ridiculous prices per minute.
Now those industries have consolidated and margins are slimmer, it's the nature of things.

I know you're gonna come back with the "nobody is giving those other thing away" argument, but like I said, it's not a perfect analogy, there is no perfect analogy.....but you could argue that selling something for half price is akin to giving half of it away. As is offering twice as much product for the same price

Cogent was going to ruin the hosting business.......remember that?

[CDSmith]

As if I need a lecture from you or anyone else Lenny. I've been at this as long or longer than most here and will be in business long after many have faded. I know full well about adapting but that doesn't change the fact that just straight out giving away massive amounts of free content the likes of which we haven't seen before is a bad idea, period.

The comment was that Tubes aren't responsible for pulling away any paying members. I simply disagree with that, as I personally know several guys who used to buy the odd membership to porn sites back in the day but now find all they need for free. I'm sure there are guys like that all over the world.

Spare me the "this is the way it is" crap. I know more than most how it is and also where things are likely headed. I'll adapt as I always do. Sounds like you will too. Doesn't mean I can't gripe about the state of affairs once in a while, I see you do enough griping about stuff here. This one was my turn. :D

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

As if I need a lecture from you or anyone else Lenny. I've been at this as long or longer than most here and will be in business long after many have faded. I know full well about adapting but that doesn't change the fact that just straight out giving away massive amounts of free content the likes of which we haven't seen before is a bad idea, period.

The comment was that Tubes aren't responsible for pulling away any paying members. I simply disagree with that, as I personally know several guys who used to buy the odd membership to porn sites back in the day but now find all they need for free. I'm sure there are guys like that all over the world.

Spare me the "this is the way it is" crap. I know more than most how it is and also where things are likely headed. I'll adapt as I always do. Sounds like you will too. Doesn't mean I can't gripe about the state of affairs once in a while, I see you do enough griping about stuff here. This one was my turn. :D

That wasn't really directed at you hoss, your post was just the opening for me to make the point I've been wanting to make.

You have been around awhile, and if you remember correctly, you and I were cleaning up on TGP traffic while the AVS and Link List guys were starting a bunch of threads complaining about how TGP's were killing the business.
As a matter of fact I just bumped one from 2002 to further illustrate my point.

Then they tried starting TGP2, and wondered why they couldn't keep or grow traffic to those sites....sort of like all the fake tubes that are popping up today with 15 second clips and trading traffic the way thumb TGP's used to do etc..

Unfortunately for me, it wasn't until very recently that I saw the light on this subject....and I wasted a year bitching instead of doing something. Hopefully I still have time to catch up.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

That wasn't really directed at you hoss, your post was just the opening for me to make the point I've been wanting to make.

You have been around awhile, and if you remember correctly, you and I were cleaning up on TGP traffic while the AVS and Link List guys were starting a bunch of threads complaining about how TGP's were killing the business.
As a matter of fact I just bumped one from 2002 to further illustrate my point.

Then they tried starting TGP2, and wondered why they couldn't keep or grow traffic to those sites....sort of like all the fake tubes that are popping up today with 15 second clips and trading traffic the way thumb TGP's used to do etc..

Unfortunately for me, it wasn't until very recently that I saw the light on this subject....and I wasted a year bitching instead of doing something. Hopefully I still have time to catch up.

Fair enough. And there's always time. Always.

With TGP's at least we had a set of rules to work with that were not universal but pretty even across the board as far as movie clip length and # of pics on galleries went. It was easy for all of us to make $$. TGP2 was a novel idea that in the end was simply a step backwards.

I've never disagreed on the point that we have to adapt, but I'll still continue to know that giving away 20 min clips for free was just plain a dumb idea. It was the progression of idiots out there who have to keep one-upping each other as to the amount they're giving away (and also stealing, in many cases), because obviously more surfers will flock to the site giving away the most free fuck flickage right? I think it was all the idiots believing "he who has the most traffic wins" when what they should have been thinking was "HE WHO HAS THE MOST SALES WINS."

Let the adapting begin.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I can't have a tube thread without mentioning you brah.

google alerts / board tracker
mention my name i am going to know about it.

[Mutt]

i always use myself to gauge things - i have always been very good at gauging public opinion and behaviour by my own example, if I like something I know that a large segment of the public is going to like it eventually, if I do something I know that a large segment of the publice is already doing it or will soon be doing it.

i join paysites, always have - a few a year. so a couple of months ago I stumbled on a porn movie that turned out to be one of Pierre Woodman's infamous casting sessions, got that information right here on GFY - this was the best porn movie i've seen, for me anyway. I had no idea who Pierre Woodman was really other than I knew he was a big name in European adult movie industry. So I wanted to find more movies like the one I had watched and did my research - then I went to PierreWoodman.com and I was ready to join it just to grab more of his Casting Session videos. He has one of those tours that show you every movie that is in the members area - there weren't as many of these movies as I expected, for some reason he stopped making them in 2003. So I sat at my computer and was debating joining - a year ago i would definitely would have just joined - but this time I decided to go check out a tube site, and typed in 'Pierre Woodman Casting' in the search box .... and voila ....... every casting movie I had seen on his paysite tour was on the tube site, about 30 of them. I've watched them all ... without joining the paysite.

tube sites are taking a good chunk of the customers who used to pay for porn. Rapidshare is actually worse. Tube videos thankfully are still pretty poor quality, most tube sites don't offer downloads. Rapidshare on the other hand gets you the movies usually in a very high quality AVI format. the people who pay for porn want quality and they get that from forums with Rapidshare hosted files.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

They said the same thing about the MGP back in the day.

And the TGP before that.

And the link list before that.

And the pic post before that.

I know you'll say "but it's different this time"....but that was said about all the others, and you'll say "none of those gave away this much for free", but that was also said about all the others.

If you can't see gaping ass huge difference between what went down then and what's going down now, then you must be dumber even than Jon Clark.

How about I give you a free clue.

Back then, everybody was making bank and now...

Feel free to fill in the blank, if you think you're up to it

[DWB]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

people looking for free porn will always look for free porn and will always get free porn... people who buy porn will always pay for porn...

you don't just lose the paying surfer to the free side unless something happens aka surfer gets popped with a bunch of prechex, charges, lack of support, etc...

tubes have nothing to do with it

I believe a consumer will be a consumer until he learns about quality free porn. Until that day comes, he will remain a consumer even if he gets fucked around.

There are those who know about free porn and those who don't. A guy is not going to get hit with 10 prechecked xsales today and then start downloading for torrents tomorrow. They have to learn about that shit first, then they stop buying for porn.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

If you can't see gaping ass huge difference between what went down then and what's going down now, then you must be dumber even than Jon Clark.

How about I give you a free clue.

Back then, everybody was making bank and now...

Feel free to fill in the blank, if you think you're up to it

That's 100% false. Not everyone was making bank, tens of thousands have come and gone. Programs that once dominated the market (cybererotica, ars) were relegated to also-ran status and replaced by up and comers like RK Netmedia, Bang Bros, Naughty America, etc.

The people who couldn't make money back then, and the programs that went out of business, blamed the TGP's. Just like the people who are blaming the tubes today.

Yeah, I guess the difference is "huge", but so was the difference between the TGP and the Link List. The MGP and the TGP.

People just think that this is so different because it's human nature to forget the bad things about the past and remember the past with nostalgia.....but these are the same damn arguments we've been having for years, we just keep changing who we think the heroes and villains are.

[fris]

Jon Clark will always be a nobody

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by fris

Jon Clark will always be a nobody

Well you're nobody until somebody loves you.

So really it's our fault, if we had only loved him he would be a somebody today.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Mutt

i always use myself to gauge things - i have always been very good at gauging public opinion and behaviour by my own example, if I like something I know that a large segment of the public is going to like it eventually, if I do something I know that a large segment of the publice is already doing it or will soon be doing it.

i join paysites, always have - a few a year. so a couple of months ago I stumbled on a porn movie that turned out to be one of Pierre Woodman's infamous casting sessions, got that information right here on GFY - this was the best porn movie i've seen, for me anyway. I had no idea who Pierre Woodman was really other than I knew he was a big name in European adult movie industry. So I wanted to find more movies like the one I had watched and did my research - then I went to PierreWoodman.com and I was ready to join it just to grab more of his Casting Session videos. He has one of those tours that show you every movie that is in the members area - there weren't as many of these movies as I expected, for some reason he stopped making them in 2003. So I sat at my computer and was debating joining - a year ago i would definitely would have just joined - but this time I decided to go check out a tube site, and typed in 'Pierre Woodman Casting' in the search box .... and voila ....... every casting movie I had seen on his paysite tour was on the tube site, about 30 of them. I've watched them all ... without joining the paysite.

tube sites are taking a good chunk of the customers who used to pay for porn. Rapidshare is actually worse. Tube videos thankfully are still pretty poor quality, most tube sites don't offer downloads. Rapidshare on the other hand gets you the movies usually in a very high quality AVI format. the people who pay for porn want quality and they get that from forums with Rapidshare hosted files.

Good post, someone who gets it. And saying all that doesn't mean you yourself aren't williing to adapt and that your business is dying. It says that you see what's going on and are willing to point out the problem and discuss it rather than just sitting around ignoring it. Nothing at all wrong with that.


Seems every time someone raises this discussion there's a bunch of others who trot out the "adapt and quit whining" argument. However, I would not be surprised if one of these days a coalition of program owners and content providers doesn't form to collectively pursue the illegal tubes. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already to be honest, because you can't have a situation where a company produces a load of fresh full-length porn movies, updates their sites with them, then within a few days those movies in their entirety are all over the web, basically stolen and given away for free. It's not right, I don't care how guys like gideon gallery spin it, and if the day comes that the people responsible are ever taken to task and slapped down majorly in a court of law I will cheer at the top of my lungs.

Until then or even if it never happens, I'll continue doing what most of us should be doing....

adapting.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

People just think that this is so different because it's human nature to forget the bad things about the past and remember the past with nostalgia.....

Yeah, I guess that's it and this has nothing to do with like horrible conversion numbers or anything

If you really believed that, and I'm sure you don't, that would mean that you were even more delusional than clarkie boy.

[Ozarkz]

I don't see Rapidshare as worse than tubes...

Rapidshare is not free.
Rapidshare will remove files.
Rapidshare requires waiting.

What rapidshare shows us is that people are willing to pay for porn but not as much as you guys want them to pay.

[hypedough]

I <3 this thread.

[USUALENT]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

There is always Plan B...

helll nawww

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

There is always Plan B...

thats a shero

[stormtrigger]

As long the Paysite offers full length films, lots of selection, top quality videos, it should beat the tubes. As for Rapidshare who wants to download 10 movies overnight or days? A paysite would let you see it instantly.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Yeah, I guess that's it and this has nothing to do with like horrible conversion numbers or anything

If you really believed that, and I'm sure you don't, that would mean that you were even more delusional than clarkie boy.

Conversion numbers have nothing to do with this.

If someone has no intention of buying a paysite membership, why would they click on an advertisement?
If tube sites have created millions of new freeloaders as you claim, then that wouldn't affect your conversion ratios, it would affect the amount of traffic to your tour. "Freeloaders" don't click banners or join links.

[LoveSandra]

touch my penis

[Snake Doctor]

We must have Jon Clark

Unban him and with god as my witness I'll never go hungry again

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I have been thinking long and hard about how to fight the tubes. Some of the best and brightest in our industry have tried and failed.

After racking my brain for the better part of 6 minutes, I have decided that the only way we can stop tubes is to bring back Jon Clark.

Jon would know what to do. Every day I see dozens of people wearing bracelets and t-shirts that say "WWJD", which obviously means What Would Jon Do.

Well the only way we're going to find out is to unban him. So the petition starts now. GFY has to unban Jon Clark, for the sake of the industry. We can be denied his genius no longer.

Please Eric, Ice, Mr Hefner, and anyone else who's reading this, don't deny us our savior any longer.


http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=878045





I think that with Jon's genius, and a forced defection of gideongallery to our side, that the tube sites don't stand a chance.

[Jakez]

Without reading the thread I can safely say this is the best tip: stop thinking there's a way to "end" tube sites. They are not going anywhere... ever.

[darknight]

Im just goin to put it this way,,, some people do not have common sense, If your paying a ridiculous amount of money for a membership at a site...then theres a way to dowload it or view it free,, wtf will you do? put yourself in there shoes...( theres a recession).I dont care how great you content is,, if someone can view a few minutes clips just to get there nut they will....I say stop putting up clips for preview, just images..find ways where if a member dowloads your content its only assigned to ip or something,,and wont work anywhere else...time to be innovative and beat them at there own game...not join them because in the long run you will lose money...tubesites will not go nowhere unless people in the industry come together make legislation,enforcement and be innovative and close the doors on how they get content.. Stop crying about it,,you have the money to form some kind of watch dog agency for stolen content....theres a way to do it...

[Snake Doctor]

LOL @ the drive by boiler plate tube posts....mother fuckers can't or won't read.

If you can't/won't read what we wrote, then why the fuck should we read what you wrote? If you want to be part of the conversation, then at least take a minute to find out what the conversation is about. Otherwise, just STFU.

You're officially on my list of people I pay no attention to. (Jakez, darknight)

[abyss_al]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Like them finding tons of places giving away an endless supply of 5-10+ min clips covering virtually every niche?


"tube sites have nothing to do with it" --- Complete BS.

you have much to learn

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Conversion numbers have nothing to do with this.

If someone has no intention of buying a paysite membership, why would they click on an advertisement?
If tube sites have created millions of new freeloaders as you claim, then that wouldn't affect your conversion ratios, it would affect the amount of traffic to your tour. "Freeloaders" don't click banners or join links.

Well, they don't click join links, that's for sure. But, yeah, they click banners. Why wouldn't they click on banners? They check out the paysite tours too.... and then they search for that exact same shit on redtube.

When offered the option to get shit for free, everybody's a freeloader.

That's why conversion numbers suck.

Come on man this isn't exactly rocket science.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by abyss_al

people looking for free porn will always look for free porn and will always get free porn... people who buy porn will always pay for porn...

you don't just lose the paying surfer to the free side unless something happens aka surfer gets popped with a bunch of prechex, charges, lack of support, etc...

tubes have nothing to do with it

I wish more people would understand this.

[Dirty F]

It's this simple: unless there is a tube site which offers exactly what a certain paysite offers, in the same quality, speed and all the updates for FREE there will be always people paying for that paysite. And this is not gonna happen. People will keep paying for paysites.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

It's this simple: unless there is a tube site which offers exactly what a certain paysite offers, in the same quality, speed and all the updates for FREE there will be always people paying for that paysite. And this is not gonna happen. People will keep paying for paysites.

Quoted for spot on truth.

[V_RocKs]

I say we unleash minusonebit on them!