As a PERSON INVOLVED IN PORN...do you...

[EXPORT]

....have any belief?

do you celebrate Christian holidays?

ever touched a Bible?

Do you pray?

Do you pray to the great dildo...or what?

...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

[EXPORT]

many of you claim to send out a "prayer" to people in need or trouble...

how does that work?!?

[Barefootsies]

I am spiritual not religious.

Knowing HOW the history of the Bible came to be has helped me come to the conclusion it is little more than a Jewish book of fairy tales.

Knowing the history of reading, writing, and religion. I do not believe in organized religion.

I find mass organized religion is little more than control of the weak minded.

I believe that organized religion is one of the worst man made evils of all time.

[amacontent]

have any belief?
Yes I believe youre an idiot.

do you celebrate Christian holidays?
Yes I shoot a gangbang every easter and a DP every Xmas

ever touched a Bible?
Only for dialog before a scene

Do you pray?
For more 18 year olds that will do anal.

Do you pray to the great dildo...or what?
Id have to make my answer .. OR WHAT

...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

I believe Porno Dan created the universe and being fat kicks ass.

[voa]

I have my beliefs and some kind of moral

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by EXPORT

....have any belief?

do you celebrate Christian holidays?

ever touched a Bible?

Do you pray?

Do you pray to the great dildo...or what?

...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

I pray for you

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I am spiritual not religious.

Knowing HOW the history of the Bible came to be has helped me come to the conclusion it is little more than a Jewish book of fairy tales.

Knowing the history of reading, writing, and religion. I do not believe in organized religion.

I find mass organized religion is little more than control of the weak minded.

I believe that organized religion is one of the worst man made evils of all time.

How do you define spiritual and religious...Nature of Carma or Religion?

How did the history of the Bible come to be? any links?

I do not belive in what the catholic church says nor any other major religious group

I have a Bible and interpret it as i understand

[Bill8]

another idiot for the idiot line, presumably.

statistically, most of us probably lean towards scientific worldmodels, not religious.

but, each to his own. Religious modelers are allowed to sling porn too. Equal oppurtunity.

[jakethedog]

Bwhahahaha.. these type threads are just asking for it ....

[SideShow]

I am a man of moral less

High ethics and low low morals

I believe in being a man of my word and despise hypocritical people and actions.

I believe in judging people by their merit and value not by the position they hold in life

I believe in business partnerships so both parties win...if someone looses then we both lost the future business

I believe in taking what I need and giving what I can

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by amacontent

have any belief?
Yes I believe youre an idiot.

Thanks for the attack

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by voa

I have my beliefs and some kind of moral

morals are important, what kind?

[psili]

Originally Posted by Bill8

another idiot for the idiot line, presumably.

statistically, most of us probably lean towards scientific worldmodels, not religious.

but, each to his own. Religious modelers are allowed to sling porn too. Equal oppurtunity.

I don't adhere to religion, but if you just judge / see things scientifically, how does one reflect on stuff? Serious question.

Ever since I was a little kid, and to this day, if I see a "shooting star", I make the same wish I did when I was that little kid. Yea, I know it's stuff burning up as it travels through our atmosphere. But it's still something special, in a way, because I got to see it. I don't expect anything from it, but I also don't sit there and go, "oh great, more shit's burning up as it falls to earth" either.

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

I pray for you

I pray for you too

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by Bill8

another idiot for the idiot line, presumably.

statistically, most of us probably lean towards scientific worldmodels, not religious.

but, each to his own. Religious modelers are allowed to sling porn too. Equal oppurtunity.

whats is up with the first line?

[EXPORT]

Originally Posted by jakethedog

Bwhahahaha.. these type threads are just asking for it ....

asking for what?

whenever there are threads from people who are going through a hard time

be it personal health or health within the family or even dogs, many here claim to "send out prayers"

how does that work?

[After Shock Media]

I am agnostic.
I have read the bible and several other religious books. Have read translations of a few as well. Lastly have had several explained by people who understand the natural language it is written in.

I celebrate all sorts of holidays, I just may not believe in the faiths behind them. Nothing says I should not enjoy the customs of others while around them.

I can not really say I pray, can only say that at times I may think positive thoughts about people, places and things. I also will bow my head or whatever if with others who do hold such customs before eating etc. However when you get to the physics of all of it, studies have shown positive thoughts can alter things. Positive thoughts also can help your own body heal faster and feel better. Then to be fair numerous studies have shown those that do pray and hold onto faith seem to live longer lives.

I also do not see how being in porn is in direct confrontation with the bible itself.

[bausch]

do you celebrate Christian holidays?

i hate ALL holidays because im anti social, i dont even celebrate my own birthday, i hate all holidays, i hate happy people who like to celebrate and be merry and party and drink. i dont celebrate ANY holidays, christian or not. I hate new years too. if i was a person who liked holidays i would celebrate christmas too. i dont care what it represents or that its christian , i would only care about PRESENTS FOR ME. As long as it benefits me i dont care. but i hate ALL holidays so i dont celebrate ANY.

ever touched a Bible?
i dont think ive ever touched any books at all recently

Do you pray?
only when im desperate and want something really bad, i dont pray to god tho, i just "wish really hard" and " force my will"...

Do you pray to the great dildo...or what?

...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

i dont really even think about those things.. i dont care about why im here or who created the universe.. it makes no difference to me. i have better things to worry about like reading paris hiltons twitter.

[qxm]

Ahh, a controversial thread! .... I have good arguments... but I haz to work .... I'll come back around midnight PST If I am done and I'll shed some light about this issue ...

BTW.. I agree 95% with the way ASM thinks

[Steve Awesome]

That's what she said.

[Twistys Tim]

Originally Posted by EXPORT

....have any belief?

do you celebrate Christian holidays?

ever touched a Bible?

Do you pray?

Do you pray to the great dildo...or what?

...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

Answers;

I believe that humans are very capable of doing amazingly good things, and amazingly bad things. The fact that some believe a magical wizard created the whole thing, and some do not has very little baring on what humans are capable of.

I would celebrate your birthday, Mohammed's, or Elmo from Sesame St. if it got me the day off work

I have never read the bible in it's entirety -- I prefer to steer clear of bad fiction.

I do not pray.

See above answer.

The theory that everything that what we have (the earth, life, and the entire universe) happened by chance, is the best theory we have. Creationist beliefs are based on the amalgamated / edited fictions contained within the bible (or other religious fictions) -- which were wrote by the hand of man, with nothing other than anecdotal evidence that God exists. Therefore, until a better theory is presented -- we are stuck with the one we have.

Hope that helps

[_Richard_]

i've only prayed once, when i really needed it, and that answer came from within, not down.

that being said, i needed to be able to ask something greater than myself, at that moment, to become something greater than myself

so, for the time being, a magical wizard is good enough until we realize the source of all good and evil comes from within

[bausch]

and in case u didnt get it thr first time :

i hate ALL holidays because im anti social, i dont even celebrate my own birthday, i hate all holidays, i hate happy people who like to celebrate and be merry and party and drink. i dont celebrate ANY holidays, christian or not. I hate new years too. if i was a person who liked holidays i would celebrate christmas too. i dont care what it represents or that its christian , i would only care about PRESENTS FOR ME. As long as it benefits me i dont care. but i hate ALL holidays so i dont celebrate ANY.

i hate all holidays! i even chose to not celebrate my birthday because i hate it!!

[LeRoy]

I wish I can say I was as spiritual as I used to be.

I used to surf a lot , practice Tai Chi and Martial Arts.

Porn fucked most of that off.

Now I just pray for sales and it works.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

I have never read the bible in it's entirety -- I prefer to steer clear of bad fiction.

You broke your argument right there. Not all of it is fiction, nor is all of it even bad - as in badly written or bad story telling. Though of course as you said, you have not read it completely and that also makes me think you did no fact checking or attempts at seeing what the symbolism and metaphors could be if understood by a rational mind.


PS Bausch yes we get it you hate almost everything except a few minor things. We know if it is anything to do with being social, happy, or dealing with others you hate it. Just give you your computer, some gossip sites, ice cream, animal style fries, and your content.

[The Adult Broker]

Originally Posted by amacontent

have any belief?
Yes I believe youre an idiot.

do you celebrate Christian holidays?
Yes I shoot a gangbang every easter and a DP every Xmas

ever touched a Bible?
Only for dialog before a scene

Do you pray?
For more 18 year olds that will do anal.

Do you pray to the great dildo...or what?
Id have to make my answer .. OR WHAT

...OR DO YOU THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOTHING SOMETHING EXPLODED BY CHANCE AND CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND ALL THE PLANETS...INCLUDING THE EARTH...AGAIN PLACING YOU AS A FAT PERSON INFRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER SELLING PORN?

I believe Porno Dan created the universe and being fat kicks ass.

ahhhh, so you are Porn believer. LOL -

That you believe Porno Dan created the universe...that visual alone has me ROTFL! (totally in jest Dan ;)

as for me, I will stand on the other side of the world when it comes to this topic.

Seriously, this post really made me chuckle. thanks for the laugh hon!!

[Twistys Tim]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

You broke your argument right there. Not all of it is fiction, nor is all of it even bad - as in badly written or bad story telling. Though of course as you said, you have not read it completely and that also makes me think you did no fact checking or attempts at seeing what the symbolism and metaphors could be if understood by a rational mind.

If you are reading a story -- which the bible is, and the narrative such as in the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John show such glaring and obvious contradiction, then it really cannot be digested as anything but a badly edited piece of fiction (bad fiction). If I bought a book by John Grisham, and it made no sense, and was contradicting it's own narrative, I would not continue reading it blindly. I would say to myself 'that was a very poorly written book, I do not think I am going to bother finishing this as it is not making any sense.'

Hope that clears up my earlier remark

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by amacontent

Do you pray?
For more 18 year olds that will do anal.

yup I pray for the same thing but I'd settle for a solo girl model that has no drama

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

If you are reading a story -- which the bible is, and the narrative such as in the gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John show such glaring and obvious contradiction, then it really cannot be digested as anything but a badly edited piece of fiction (bad fiction). If I bought a book by John Grisham, and it made no sense, and was contradicting it's own narrative, I would not continue reading it blindly. I would say to myself 'that was a very poorly written book, I do not think I am going to bother finishing this as it is not making any sense.'

Hope that clears up my earlier remark

Those are separate books by separate authors.
That would be like comparing a Stephen King story using the Cthulhu mythos and a Clive Barker story using the same mythos.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by psili

I don't adhere to religion, but if you just judge / see things scientifically, how does one reflect on stuff? Serious question..

Well, for me at least, the scientific world modeling doesn't diminish the feelings of wonder and nouminous states of mind, especially the ones that we get from looking at the amazing things we can see here and there on this planet.

And the scientific models include the idea that the human brain and mind can easily enter a large number of states that affect us and seem very mysterious and important.

But there's a difference between personal states of awe and ecstasy and wonder and visions, and moving from those states to believing stories of religious models, in which non-human immaterial entities are the source of things like life, death, tornados, and the like.

The scientific models don't claim that it's impossible for there to be immaterial entities behind things, it just says, what's the evidence for it, and if we try to test for the existence of such entities using real world evidence rather than old stories, what do we find?

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by EXPORT

be it personal health or health within the family or even dogs, many here claim to "send out prayers"

how does that work?

For many people that's a popular colloquialism.

A way of saying, "I strongly send you best wishes".

A side effect of the past years of christian exploitation in popular media.

[Twistys Tim]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Those are separate books by separate authors.
That would be like comparing a Stephen King story using the Cthulhu mythos and a Clive Barker story using the same mythos.

They are supposed to be narratives of the life of Jesus, but they provide varying and wildly differing versions of his life. Imagine if four authors wrote the only book about the life of Winston Churchill, and all contradicted each other -- even stating he was born in a town that didn't exist at the time he was born. Then that book is secretly edited by a group who will NEVER release the original documents the texts were extracted from, and excluded many other written accounts of his life which they refuse to let anyone see; You might have problems understanding which, if any, were telling the truth.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

They are supposed to be narratives of the life of Jesus, but they provide varying and wildly differing versions of his life. Imagine if four authors wrote the only book about the life of Winston Churchill, and all contradicted each other -- even stating he was born in a town that didn't exist at the time he was born. Then that book is secretly edited by a group who will NEVER release the original documents the texts were extracted from, and excluded many other written accounts of his life which they refuse to let anyone see; You might have problems understanding which, if any, were telling the truth.

Try starting with the old testament first, you know how it was written and assembled before even trying to get into the whole Jesus issue. Remember a few faiths all have roots in the old testament, not all the new.

[Twistys Tim]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Try starting with the old testament first, you know how it was written and assembled before even trying to get into the whole Jesus issue. Remember a few faiths all have roots in the old testament, not all the new.

I suppose the Old Testament is like a health and safety manual -- used to educate poor peasant folk on the proper way to conduct one's self. Mix in lots of stories about God's wrath, and the dangers of angering / disobeying him (and his human messengers) and you have the perfect recipe for controlling an underclass.

[BFT3K]

I believe in peanut butter.

[INever]

There SHOULD be honor among thieves......

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

I suppose the Old Testament is like a health and safety manual -- used to educate poor peasant folk on the proper way to conduct one's self. Mix in lots of stories about God's wrath, and the dangers of angering / disobeying him (and his human messengers) and you have the perfect recipe for controlling an underclass.

Could be, then again most people poor peasant folk could not read it.

[Twistys Tim]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Could be, then again most people poor peasant folk could not read it.

And that is why the purveyors of God's message -- such as the Catholic church gained such power. If you are some simple peasant illiterate farmer on a wind swept hillside, and some guy turns up from the Vatican (with a load of Roman soldiers) and tells you that you must convert to Christianity or else, you do as your told.

The decision the elevate Jesus to the status of son of God was taken by a committee in Rome, with the blessing of the Roman Emperor Constantine. There was need to unite all of Roman Empire under one God (any God would have done) so that the population could be controlled. This is why Jesus' birthday falls on the winter solstice, and his death and resurrection on the spring solstice. This was so the pagans could be easily converted to Christianity, and these events would not interfere with their established celebrations. Before Christ was elevated to the son of God by committee, Christians were being fed to lions in Rome. After the decision of Constantine to convert his empire to Christianity it was the Christians feeding everyone else to the lions (and worse) to eradicate any remnants of earlier beliefs.

[psili]

Thank you for that post. Great post actually.

You suck for having such an early join date and so little post count, though. Wanna trade post counts?

werd.

Originally Posted by Bill8

Well, for me at least, the scientific world modeling doesn't diminish the feelings of wonder and nouminous states of mind, especially the ones that we get from looking at the amazing things we can see here and there on this planet.

And the scientific models include the idea that the human brain and mind can easily enter a large number of states that affect us and seem very mysterious and important.

But there's a difference between personal states of awe and ecstasy and wonder and visions, and moving from those states to believing stories of religious models, in which non-human immaterial entities are the source of things like life, death, tornados, and the like.

The scientific models don't claim that it's impossible for there to be immaterial entities behind things, it just says, what's the evidence for it, and if we try to test for the existence of such entities using real world evidence rather than old stories, what do we find?

[psili]

Originally Posted by bausch

and in case u didnt get it thr first time :

Are you a dude or a chick, cuz I still haven't got that?

Your insanity is obvious, however. You need help.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

And that is why the purveyors of God's message -- such as the Catholic church gained such power. If you are some simple peasant illiterate farmer on a wind swept hillside, and some guy turns up from the Vatican (with a load of Roman soldiers) and tells you that you must convert to Christianity or else, you do as your told.

The decision the elevate Jesus to the status of son of God was taken by a committee in Rome, with the blessing of the Roman Emperor Constantine. There was need to unite all of Roman Empire under one God (any God would have done) so that the population could be controlled. This is why Jesus' birthday falls on the winter solstice, and his death and resurrection on the spring solstice. This was so the pagans could be easily converted to Christianity, and these events would not interfere with their established celebrations. Before Christ was elevated to the son of God by committee, Christians were being fed to lions in Rome. After the decision of Constantine to convert his empire to Christianity it was the Christians feeding everyone else to the lions (and worse) to eradicate any remnants of earlier beliefs.

Skipped a whole shitload of years there didnt ya.
Not about to rip apart what you just said as parts are taken from current fiction and other parts from two different religions.

Lets just say when Constantine was Co-Emperor along with Licinus and they issued the Edict of Milan which declared Christianity to be a legal religion in 313, however Galerius had issued a similar Edict in 311. Regardless the majority of Rome was already on its way to becoming Christian. Was not until 380 that Emperor Theodosius made it the official religion of Rome.

Also the Muratorian Canon in 200 provided a list of new testament books that very closely match the list found in todays bible. Other lists that are also very close can be found when Origen did his writting in 250 and Eusebius of Caesarea in 300. I can only say it is true the Constantine did order the destroying or burning of some books by the Novatians, the Marcionites, Arius, Porphyry and a few others. However the fact remains that the biblical canon was already in place by the time Constantine became an Emperor. Other writings show that Christians switched from Saturday to Sunday as a day of worship long before him as well. In essence he did not add much of anything nor really change shit.

Damn, had to google a shit load of names as my spell checker went totally ape shit.

[Zorgman]

Only pics can save this thread.

[Max Potential]

All I know for sure...is none of us really know anything....believe what you will...

do unto others...

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by psili

Are you a dude or a chick, cuz I still haven't got that?

Your insanity is obvious, however. You need help.

Lack of a penis, outside of a drawer or chest perhaps and never had one removed by a surgeon.

[Twistys Tim]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Skipped a whole shitload of years there didnt ya.
Not about to rip apart what you just said as parts are taken from current fiction and other parts from two different religions.

Lets just say when Constantine was Co-Emperor along with Licinus and they issued the Edict of Milan which declared Christianity to be a legal religion in 313, however Galerius had issued a similar Edict in 311. Regardless the majority of Rome was already on its way to becoming Christian. Was not until 380 that Emperor Theodosius made it the official religion of Rome.

Also the Muratorian Canon in 200 provided a list of new testament books that very closely match the list found in todays bible. Other lists that are also very close can be found when Origen did his writting in 250 and Eusebius of Caesarea in 300. I can only say it is true the Constantine did order the destroying or burning of some books by the Novatians, the Marcionites, Arius, Porphyry and a few others. However the fact remains that the biblical canon was already in place by the time Constantine became an Emperor. Other writings show that Christians switched from Saturday to Sunday as a day of worship long before him as well. In essence he did not add much of anything nor really change shit.

Damn, had to google a shit load of names as my spell checker went totally ape shit.

You know -- there is nothing more I really enjoy discussing more than religion. The other day, some Jehovah Witnesses came round, and I bent their ears for a good forty minutes in the front garden. In the end, they were trying to get away from me, but they were so well mannered they wouldn't turn round and say 'SHUT THE FUCK UP -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!'

Here is what I asked them;

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple. So, they take an apple and God is furious. He throws them out of the garden of Eden. Fast forward a few thousand years, and he want to forgive the sons of Adam for Adam's terrible crime, so he creates himself on earth in the form of Jesus, and then has himself arrested, persecuted, tortured, and executed so he could forgive man for Adam's sin of taking the apple.

Would it not have been easier to forgive Adam in the first place for taking the apple? Instead of going through the whole sado-masochistic process of having one's self tortured and executed -- Why didn't God just forgive Adam for taking the apple, which in the whole scheme of things is a pretty paltry crime considering what humans are capable of doing.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

You know -- there is nothing more I really enjoy discussing more than religion. The other day, some Jehovah Witnesses came round, and I bent their ears for a good forty minutes in the front garden. In the end, they were trying to get away from me, but they were so well mannered they wouldn't turn round and say 'SHUT THE FUCK UP -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!'

Here is what I asked them;

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple. So, they take an apple and God is furious. He throws them out of the garden of Eden. Fast forward a few thousand years, and he want to forgive the sons of Adam for Adam's terrible crime, so he creates himself on earth in the form of Jesus, and then has himself arrested, persecuted, tortured, and executed so he could forgive man for Adam's sin of taking the apple.

Would it not have been easier to forgive Adam in the first place for taking the apple? Instead of going through the whole sado-masochistic process of having one's self tortured and executed -- Why didn't God just forgive Adam for taking the apple, which in the whole scheme of things is a pretty paltry crime considering what humans are capable of doing.

Free will, its a bitch.
Technically if God is all knowing he would already know both outcomes anyways.
Again though you are mixing the old testament God and the new testament God. The old testament God had no issues smoking people left and right, it was pretty damn neurotic, liked to play games, and honestly treated man and the Earth like a 4th grader.

However it technically was not a small crime, it was not just an "apple". It was knowledge, shame, and many other things. Forget the fact that Adam or man was created twice though.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

You know -- there is nothing more I really enjoy discussing more than religion. The other day, some Jehovah Witnesses came round, and I bent their ears for a good forty minutes in the front garden. In the end, they were trying to get away from me, but they were so well mannered they wouldn't turn round and say 'SHUT THE FUCK UP -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!'

Here is what I asked them;

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple. So, they take an apple and God is furious. He throws them out of the garden of Eden. Fast forward a few thousand years, and he want to forgive the sons of Adam for Adam's terrible crime, so he creates himself on earth in the form of Jesus, and then has himself arrested, persecuted, tortured, and executed so he could forgive man for Adam's sin of taking the apple.

Would it not have been easier to forgive Adam in the first place for taking the apple? Instead of going through the whole sado-masochistic process of having one's self tortured and executed -- Why didn't God just forgive Adam for taking the apple, which in the whole scheme of things is a pretty paltry crime considering what humans are capable of doing.

Well, as God knows EVERYTHING, he had to know they were going to eat the apple before it even happened, making the whole stupid story even more rediculous.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Technically if God is all knowing he would already know both outcomes anyways.

You beat me to it!

[Max Potential]

Originally Posted by Twistys Tim

God created Adam, and in turn created Eve. God told them they could have whatever they wanted, except for an apple.

Why would 'God' need to play such games with humans to begin with? I have always wondered this...

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

You beat me to it!

Yeah but like I said, that is ruled out by free will.
I admit there are many contradictions.