OK...looking for suggestions (warning, biz thread, no drama)

[MikeSmoke]

So I've finished several major projects here, and am about to start more.

And I'm looking for anyone who has suggestions for this "what would you do" question.

(Note: I'm NOT looking for reps to say "just use our program, you'll make millions!"
-----------------------
I have an accumulation of about 250-300 domains (might even be 350, I'm not even sure lol). They're in various niches, just about all reg'd 1999-2002. Some are definitely good, but the majority are mediocre (hyphenated keywords).
They made me a lot of money back in the day; now they're sadly neglected and basically just making back their reg fees. Most have old automation-built interlinked freesites on them, circa 2002-2003, anywhere from 25-100 sites per domain. The rest have one-page banner farms on them. Some domains get 100 hits a month, some get 1000-2000 hits.

So.......

What would YOU do with them?
- Separate the wheat from chaff, drop most of them and either build real sites or park them?
- Hundreds of blogs/splogs/automated tubes?
- Try to rebuild and interlink one-by-one? (As if I have the time for that )
Or something else?

I know not to expect a lot here, but hoping for a few thoughts outside my very isolated box.

Sorry there's no drama or tits in the thread

[Forkbeard]

I'm in a similar situation, but I've got a crude sort of in-house site-builder that populates them with a glorified banner farm and some keyword text based on keywords in the domain, using .php and a very primitive logic tree.

What also works for me is using these domains to serve one or two high-quality images over a period of years. That gets me image search traffic, which (although admittedly low-quality) turns out *not* to be as worthless as everybody says.

There are a ton of sponsors who have flash movie carousel banners and such that are *close* to what I need for sites like this, but I am always looking for promo tools that vary their content based on keyword variables in the url string that loads the tool (the carousel or whatever). Sadly, these are rare.

[PSD CSS XHTML]

So many options. Are the domains all shitty or do you have good ones?
That would be one major factor in my decision.

One thing is for sure..
this is a great place to spam my services.
See sig

[Domain Diva]

Im always looking to buy domains...dont let any drop as even $5 each would be better than 0.

Just thought l would throw in the option.

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I'm in a similar situation, but I've got a crude sort of in-house site-builder that populates them with a glorified banner farm and some keyword text based on keywords in the domain, using .php and a very primitive logic tree.

What also works for me is using these domains to serve one or two high-quality images over a period of years. That gets me image search traffic, which (although admittedly low-quality) turns out *not* to be as worthless as everybody says.

There are a ton of sponsors who have flash movie carousel banners and such that are *close* to what I need for sites like this, but I am always looking for promo tools that vary their content based on keyword variables in the url string that loads the tool (the carousel or whatever). Sadly, these are rare.

Well, my site-builder will do whatever I want with the domains (within reason), all I have to do is modify the templates. The problem is that the interlinking structure built into the program is *not* what works in the SE's anymore (although it sure worked 5-6 years ago lol).

My added concern is that I *try* to keep to the letter of 2257 - and modern sponsor tools that aren't problematic (from the strictly-legal view of a secondary producer) are few and far between - it's one thing that holds me back from thinking seriously about automated splogs, etc.

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by PSD CSS XHTML

So many options. Are the domains all shitty or do you have good ones?
That would be one major factor in my decision.

One thing is for sure..
this is a great place to spam my services.
See sig

Wow, only one spam so far...that shows there *is* some good that comes from a biz-related thread

NO, not all of them are shitty - some are pretty decent - but unfortunately the majority are of the "big-tit-babes" or "hot-asian-pussy" variety.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

My added concern is that I *try* to keep to the letter of 2257 - and modern sponsor tools that aren't problematic (from the strictly-legal view of a secondary producer) are few and far between - it's one thing that holds me back from thinking seriously about automated splogs, etc.

Same here. It's *extremely* hard to find compliant tools. It's astonishing to me that programs are still trying to feed out explicit thumbnails in RSS feeds, but that's their lookout I guess -- they just aren't worth a damn to me.

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Same here. It's *extremely* hard to find compliant tools. It's astonishing to me that programs are still trying to feed out explicit thumbnails in RSS feeds, but that's their lookout I guess -- they just aren't worth a damn to me.

Yep - and what makes me nuts is that their attitudes are the same that they were in 2004, when I first started asking for compliant banners --- and I was basically told, by a number of programs, "when it *really* becomes an issue, we'll provide them."

Um...I think it's really an issue, at least to those of us who try to do things the right way

(But then again, I think back to my answer to Serge's question last night --- maybe we all *should* have done things the way he did them back in the day - or maybe we should do what most people just do now )

[Sly]

Why do anything with them?

Is utilizing "junk domains" really on your goal list? Do you have other things you can be spending your time on that would make more money?

I'm not trying to be an ass. :-) I just don't see the point of forcing your self to start a project that you really don't need to do over a nine dollar domain.

I've been cleaning out my domains... if I like a domain or want it for any reason, I keep it. If the domain has nothing on it, or no traffic, or basically no value unless I build something on it... I dump it. Building something on a domain just to utilize the domain is a waste of my time over nine dollars.

:-)

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Sly

Why do anything with them?

Is utilizing "junk domains" really on your goal list? Do you have other things you can be spending your time on that would make more money?

I'm not trying to be an ass. :-) I just don't see the point of forcing your self to start a project that you really don't need to do over a nine dollar domain.

I've been cleaning out my domains... if I like a domain or want it for any reason, I keep it. If the domain has nothing on it, or no traffic, or basically no value unless I build something on it... I dump it. Building something on a domain just to utilize the domain is a waste of my time over nine dollars.

:-)

The thought has definitely crossed my mind.

The reality is, I have most of my eggs in one "niche basket" - and obviously, the recession has hit almost all of us, so my revenue is down as it is for most people.
But since my niche is a relatively small one, I can't just solve the problem by throwing more traffic at it (I have most of the niche's traffic circulating through my stuff anyway lol). I can keep working it and monetizing it better, which I'm doing...but until the recession ends, "my people" aren't spending the way they used to 12 or 18 months ago, which means the bottom line still isn't adding up right.

So in addition to finding other ways to monetize what I can do in my niche (the projects I've finished and new ones I'm starting) - I'm also looking for other ways to boost my bottom line, outside of my niche.

And one of the avenues/assets that keeps staring me in the face is all the aged domains that I've had sitting for years.
They certainly earned their keep for a long time --- but I can't get away from the thought that doing stuff with them would be easier than starting from total ground-level on some other project in a different niche or arena.

I may end up going the way you're going, since I've had that same thought more than once. But I'm trying to explore possibilities before deciding.

(And I know you're not trying to be an ass ;)

[baddog]

Use as backlinks/feeders

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by baddog

Use as backlinks/feeders

That would be the plan, but I currently have nothing to feed/backlink to in these niches - that's where I'm trying to find starting point ideas (blog, splog, tube, etc) that makes sense.

[tonyparra]

Can i have a few?

[AngelFX]

make some few good big sites that target good keywords and do auto blogs on the others to use as link feeders to push big sites. My brother can explain better bcause i am just starting with blogs from doing freesites and gallerys.

[PSSuperstars]

The pimproll/domain parking that was in a thread a few weeks back has helped me with some of my interacial domains..

and what's cool is you can park.. but also put your own links on there.. so it helps with backlinks


And I'm getting a few SERP hits from how I filled out the metas and all that... I only got like 6 domains with them... and they were all nothing.. not even link farms.. and they got like 200 hits last pay period.. no sale yet.. but one PPS of $50.. pays for all their reg fees.. and I figure I'll squeak out 3-4 of those a year.. + the back link building..

So I figure SEO help with the backlinks... + maybe $150-300 per year.... on domains that WERE doing nothing...

So on your domains that are niche, but aren't something you're inspired to build... do this...

http://links.pimproll.com/?s=pimproll&r=pimp30524

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by AngelFX

make some few good big sites that target good keywords and do auto blogs on the others to use as link feeders to push big sites. My brother can explain better bcause i am just starting with blogs from doing freesites and gallerys.

No I won't.

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Nicky

No I won't.

lolol...that was the correct answer

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

The pimproll/domain parking that was in a thread a few weeks back has helped me with some of my interacial domains..

Actually I had made a note of that when I saw the original thread, and then promptly put the note somewhere or other - I'm sure the note again someday, but thanks for the reminder

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

That would be the plan, but I currently have nothing to feed/backlink to in these niches - that's where I'm trying to find starting point ideas (blog, splog, tube, etc) that makes sense.

They get traffic. Talk to Madison Avenue.

[Vjo]

Mike, Welcome to the club. You have to go thru them all. Do I drop it, sell it, let it ride or develope it.

Major pain in the ass. I've let a lot of shit drop over the years that were mostly picked up.

But, I like to look at my collection and know everyone has value and that each domain would sell if needed.

If I had more capital I would have leaned on keeping more as any decent dot com has to only go up in the next 20 years.

[CyberHustler]

I say do all of the above and below.

[Vjo]

In terms of traffic control, choose your best site (money maker) within each niche. Refresh or 403 redirect at the registrar level each niche's domains to each best money maker within that niche. Then:

1) Prey like hell.
2) Put prices on all your keepers and list them for sale because everything in the porn biz has a price.

Doing the same thing myself. And I aint alone.

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

Yep - and what makes me nuts is that their attitudes are the same that they were in 2004, when I first started asking for compliant banners --- and I was basically told, by a number of programs, "when it *really* becomes an issue, we'll provide them."

Um...I think it's really an issue, at least to those of us who try to do things the right way

The way I see it, every site I built is designed to be permanent -- which means, it's got to be future-compatible. I've got seven-year-old sites that make me cringe and shudder, but I may never get back to "clean 'em up" -- so the last thing I want to do is build more of those.

[tiger]

Hit me up if you want to sell some of them. Looking for a few specific niches but I could probably take a few off your hands.

[Vjo]

Bring back the banner farm. Hey it might get a good ctr. Might even convert tube traffic. Who knows WTF anymore. ; )

Imagine your surfing a tube one minute then skimmed to a banner farm the next. LOL

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Mike, Welcome to the club. You have to go thru them all. Do I drop it, sell it, let it ride or develope it.
Major pain in the ass. I've let a lot of shit drop over the years that were mostly picked up.
But, I like to look at my collection and know everyone has value and that each domain would sell if needed.
If I had more capital I would have leaned on keeping more as any decent dot com has to only go up in the next 20 years.

The famous catman
(Unfortunately, I wasn't part of that famous chat group - I was too much a lone wolf for my own good even then lol.)

Yep, I've gone through that exercise several times over the years - and then decided "what the fuck, I'll keep them all for one more year."
I have so many that'll always be just ordinary, though, that I think it may be time to shit or get off the pot with them. I just keep hoping that I can find a non-work-intensive way to make them generate some income --- even though it's probably more likely that 1999 will come back again

Originally Posted by Vjo

In terms of traffic control, choose your best site (money maker) within each niche. Refresh or 403 redirect at the registrar level each niche's domains to each best money maker within that niche. Then:

1) Prey like hell.
2) Put prices on all your keepers and list them for sale because everything in the porn biz has a price.

Been thinking of that one, too - and I know I'm not alone

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

The way I see it, every site I built is designed to be permanent -- which means, it's got to be future-compatible. I've got seven-year-old sites that make me cringe and shudder, but I may never get back to "clean 'em up" -- so the last thing I want to do is build more of those.

Yep, I hear you on that. I don't mind going back and swapping out some banners now and again - but in 2009, that's not a real answer either

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Bring back the banner farm. Hey it might get a good ctr. Might even convert tube traffic. Who knows WTF anymore. ; )

Imagine your surfing a tube one minute then skimmed to a banner farm the next. LOL

I still have some banner farms up somewhere or other....never thought of actually sending them skimmed traffic though

[MikeSmoke]

bump for the dayside people -- who probably aren't sleep-deprived like those of us whose 15-month old is teething and has been crying most of the night lol -- and may have some cogent thoughts

[Agent 488]

set up tube scrapers on each.

[alias]

I dumped all of my hyphenated domains a while ago.

[NikKay]

Bookmarking for ideas.

[MikeSmoke]

one more bump for the afternoon folks.

[MikeSmoke]

late afternoon bump....

[SmokeyTheBear]

use the company in my sig , you will make millions..

my suggestion would be to hire someone to interlink and sell backlinks for you.

How much are you making off them now ?

[halfpint]

make a huge network of wordpress tube blogs

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

use the company in my sig , you will make millions..

my suggestion would be to hire someone to interlink and sell backlinks for you.

How much are you making off them now ?

Millions? Naw, I'm looking for one BEEEEEELION DOLLARS!!!!!!!

I'm basically just making the reg fees off them at this point. With the exception of swapping out a sponsor or two, I haven't touched them in years. Most of them have a wonderful SE-friendly interlinking structure --- if it was still 2003 or so

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by halfpint

make a huge network of wordpress tube blogs

It's one of the things I've thought of doing (with the caveat that I really don't want to put up stuff that isn't 2257 compliant, and sponsors aren't exactly helpful in that regard with their feeds and other tools). I haven't heard from anyone doing it that it still pays off in mid-2009, though --- is anyone still having decent success doing that, using blog organizing software or something like that - or is that too 2008?

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by MikeSmoke

It's one of the things I've thought of doing (with the caveat that I really don't want to put up stuff that isn't 2257 compliant, and sponsors aren't exactly helpful in that regard with their feeds and other tools). I haven't heard from anyone doing it that it still pays off in mid-2009, though --- is anyone still having decent success doing that, using blog organizing software or something like that - or is that too 2008?

Dont know if it would pay off or not but you could use sponsors like vidz and many others that offer emdeded flvs which would mean you are covered by the 2257 regs. If you disguise the blogs to look like tube sites or use something like http://jayvis.com/wordpress-tube-site/ I reacon it would work but the network would would be time consuming with all the updating

[halfpint]

I think fris posted a thread on here awhile back with links to free adult wordpress tube blogs