do Porn Review Sites make any money?

[San]

what you think?

[chemicaleyes]

there is no money in porn

[EscortBiz]

they def make me money

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

they def make me money

yup.. i look at the sales for my brand new site and see The Best Porn making a lot of sales. I think they make the most money off brand new sites and the top reviewed sites

[JimmiDean]

As said above.
we get a lot of sales from review sites so I would say yes.

[Sands]

In my (limited) personal experience, review sites do well. If you're getting visitors who are interested in a review of the site in question, then they're more than likely motivated to subscribe to the site in question (or niche in question). They just need to be given a good reason to do so in the form of an informed write-up that gives them a glimpse into the member's area through detailed information (such as the quality and quantity of available scenes) and a (seemingly) unbiased appraisal.

[Ginn]

I can imagine that well established review sites DO make good money. But what chances for success can have newly created sites?
And i always was curious how trustful all those reviews would be?

[Sands]

Originally Posted by Ginn

I can imagine that well established review sites DO make good money. But what chances for success can have newly created sites?
And i always was curious how trustful all those reviews would be?

Creating a multi-niche review site will be more of an uphill battle for sure. Divide and conquer with a network of smaller review sites, each of which caters to a specific niche or micro-niche.

[Farang]

Yep, review traffic converts very well for us.

[San]

Originally Posted by Ginn

But what chances for success can have newly created sites?

That's what I'd like to know.

[papill0n]

just when you think the questions can't get any more ridiculous

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by San

That's what I'd like to know.

99% of the people who make a review site badly underestimate the amount of work needed to build a successful one (I know because I own successful review sites and because I have been hired as a writer by dozens of others). Review sites depend on bookmarkers, customer loyalty and branding. That means they have to actually provide services worth returning for and reviews worth reading.

There are literally 1000s of sites online that call themselves review sites and probably less than 100 that are actual review sites. Throwing up a blog on wordpress with a bunch of made up reviews that do not tell the consumer much of anything about a paysite is not the same thing as actually reviewing 100s of paysites with a meaningful scoring system and detailed reviews that give the consumer an idea of what is inside the members area of 100s or 1000s of sites.

Review sites do make money. Review sites also do take a lot of time and effort to produce well. Keep in mind quality review sites have existed for years and built loyal followings among consumers, so throwing up a new review site that is no different from existing sites will be unlikely to attract much. Build something unique and innovative and people will use it... build something copying someone else, or something that is not actually helpful to consumers and it will fail.

If you do build a quality review site be sure to contact me and I will get it included in the WebmasterScore review site submitter system for you.

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by San

That's what I'd like to know.

God damn this is a stupid fucking thread.

Do any "newly created sites" make sales? It generally takes a while to build up loyal buyers, which is MUCH harder to do than building traffic. And you dumb ass programs that are telling how certain affiliates do, SHAME THE FUCK ON YOU. Hope they lower your scores for you being bad business partners.

[Ginn]

Relentless, thanks a lot for your answer! That's exactly what most of people that are going to create another review site need to know. That's why i said about "well-extablished" sites.
Sands, thank you for advice.

[San]

This thread needs more Porn Review website owners spilling the beans.

[pornguy]

Yes they do and they have High quality customers as well.

Anyone that wants to review some sites we have new and old so hit me on ICQ. 174228679

[CIVMatt]

I only know two who do it right

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by commonsense

God damn this is a stupid fucking thread.
Do any "newly created sites" make sales? It generally takes a while to build up loyal buyers, which is MUCH harder to do than building traffic. And you dumb ass programs that are telling how certain affiliates do, SHAME THE FUCK ON YOU. Hope they lower your scores for you being bad business partners.

Telling people that a well made review site (which costs thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours to make) can in fact make money is NOT hurting any existing review site owner. Calm down.

What hurts existing review site owners are the countless number of asshats who make 'fake review blogs' because they think posting 100 one paragraph texts and calling them reviews will earn them a million dollars. In fact, it earns them nothing and it damages the credibility of real review sites.

I have owned and managed successful review sites for years. I would welcome a new REAL review site that actually provides value to surfers and that has some innovative new ideas in it. That kind of site isn't hurting me at all. What I am hoping to prevent are the assholes who throw up garbage and earn nothing but make it harder for others to succeed.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by Ginn

And i always was curious how trustful all those reviews would be?

as someone who has probably been inside more paysites than the review site owners themselves, I have noticed many review sites just give good reviews and rarely ever state the facts about the sucky content behind the password. what interest do they have making negative reviews? That = no signups, ...

ive been given access to thousands of websites over the years and have seen the member sections of many of the top names in adult, and can vouch some are completely crap inside, but the review sites tell a diff story, almost like they *drum roll* never really went inside lol

of course this is not all review sites, but many are just fake or at east half bullshit

[k0nr4d]

I hear they make lots of money, but they are also lots and lots of work.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by San

This thread needs more Porn Review website owners spilling the beans.

Are you really that stupid? do you think people who have figured out how to make money, in a area where most fail, will actually come and tell you their secret?

[viki]

Honest review sites make money. I can't vouch for the other kind.

[Jeppe]

Originally Posted by Relentless

99% of the people who make a review site badly underestimate the amount of work needed to build a successful one (I know because I own successful review sites and because I have been hired as a writer by dozens of others). Review sites depend on bookmarkers, customer loyalty and branding. That means they have to actually provide services worth returning for and reviews worth reading.

There are literally 1000s of sites online that call themselves review sites and probably less than 100 that are actual review sites. Throwing up a blog on wordpress with a bunch of made up reviews that do not tell the consumer much of anything about a paysite is not the same thing as actually reviewing 100s of paysites with a meaningful scoring system and detailed reviews that give the consumer an idea of what is inside the members area of 100s or 1000s of sites.

Review sites do make money. Review sites also do take a lot of time and effort to produce well. Keep in mind quality review sites have existed for years and built loyal followings among consumers, so throwing up a new review site that is no different from existing sites will be unlikely to attract much. Build something unique and innovative and people will use it... build something copying someone else, or something that is not actually helpful to consumers and it will fail.

Well said. I agree with that.

Building a review site up to a point where it makes more than takes a damn lot of time and energy. Especially today.

I also agree that too many start "review sites" which in fact are pay site indexes with brief descriptions only. No problem with the idea - it's just not a review site.

[bdeforest]

Bad site reviews give the review site credibility that it is honest in its assessment of the sites it reviews and worthy of using to find the sites that are right for surfers using it. If anything, this should generate more joins for the review site as a whole. There are a ton of buyers surfing the review sites that do things right. My SE traffic is about the only type of traffic that can compare with the conversions I've seen come in from review sites.

[San]

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Are you really that stupid? do you think people who have figured out how to make money, in a area where most fail, will actually come and tell you their secret?

Yeah, why not?

[BestXXXPorn]

I just launched http://www.bestxxxporn.com and I must say everyone in this thread is right. It is a LOT of work, I mean a LOT. I knew it would be a lot of work going in though so I was prepared. I don't expect to push any kind of traffic before the end of the year. I have a ton of development left to do and I've got a Q of over 700 sites in the database that I need to review. I need to get a lot of that done before I even turn my attention to buying traffic, additional SEO, island feeder sites...

From signing up with sponsors to indexing all of their sites (and learning what passes come with what), to scoring sites, writing reviews, and doing all the design and development. It's a lot of work.

I expect in the end it will pay out or I wouldn't be doing it :P But like everyone has said. It's a major time investment and it won't be quick.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

as someone who has probably been inside more paysites than the review site owners themselves, I have noticed many review sites just give good reviews and rarely ever state the facts about the sucky content behind the password. what interest do they have making negative reviews? That = no signups, ...

Show me 'review sites' that post fake reviews and ill show you review sites that do not make money.

Getting ONE signup is not the way to make money. Getting loyal consumers is...

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

I just launched http://www.bestxxxporn.com and I must say everyone in this thread is right. It is a LOT of work, I mean a LOT. I knew it would be a lot of work going in though so I was prepared. I don't expect to push any kind of traffic before the end of the year. I have a ton of development left to do and I've got a Q of over 700 sites in the database that I need to review. I need to get a lot of that done before I even turn my attention to buying traffic, additional SEO, island feeder sites...

When the site has at least 50 full reviews on it and you feel it is 'ready' please contact me and Ill take a look at it with you. If the site progresses the way it seems to be going I'll get it added to the list of review sites included in the WebmasterScore review site submitter which will save you 1,000s of hours of your time

[San]

Ok, since we are on topic, how much an average site review cost? (when hiring a good writer/reviewer)

[FreeHugeMovies]

Want a review site without the troubles?

www.reviewwizard.com

[Kiwigirl]

Originally Posted by San

This thread needs more Porn Review website owners spilling the beans.

LOL That's like asking how much is in their bank accounts.
Put it to you this way, if review sites didn't make money they would not have several employees working for them.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

Want a review site without the troubles?
www.reviewwizard.com

A quick word about 'review site scripts':

My own review sites are custom coded from the ground up. I have also used a few different 'out of the box' review site scripts. Keep in mind, if your review site is the same as everyone else's review site you have zero reason for anyone to use your review site instead of some other one.

Review site scripts CAN be helpful (especially if you are working with a smaller budget). However, do not think that because you can get a script for a few hundred dollars your review site will suddenly be making you millions. You will need to do some considerable modifications to the script, hire a designer or designers to give your site a unique look and feel, hire REAL writers (not just some guy who likes to say 'this site is great' and then stuff the page with keywords).... it is not a simple thing to build a worthwhile review site and it is not cheap. Throwing up the same crap on wordpress or with a box script and supplying ZERO innovation, low quality review text, weak design etc is not going to earn you anything.

If you plan to spend only hundreds you should do something else with your money unless you have the skills and time to write your own reviews, code your own modifications and do your own high quality design work.

Again to be clear... I am NOT discouraging anyone from making a new REAL review site. I'd love to see some more well made review sites honestly. I am trying to discourage people from thinking that making and managing a real review site is cheap or easy... and most of all, I'm trying to prevent people from wasting 100s of dollars making fake review sites that earn nothing and damage the market as a whole.

[woj]

Forget review sites, tube sites are the way to go

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by San

Ok, since we are on topic, how much an average site review cost? (when hiring a good writer/reviewer)

The cost of having reviews written varies a great deal depending on the depth of the reviews, the interface being used and many other factors. If you are interested in buying reviews for your site go to www.enginefood.com when you have a template and get a price on reviews. Plan on a MINIMUM of 200 full site reviews and expect to pay somewhere in the 15-45 dollar range per review to start.

Note, you can find plenty of people who will write reviews for 5 or 10 dollars each. Keep in mind 50x10 = 500.00 dollars. And if the reviews don't earn any sales they cost you 500 dollars. 50x45 = 2,250.00 dollars but if they earn you 1,751+ dollars in sales they actually cost you LESS than the 'cheap reviews' that earned you nothing. It's much more about what a review earns than about what it costs.

[San]

Good stuff Relentless, thanks for the info.

It's appreciated.

[EscortBiz]

good info thanks

[NTM]

If the idiot scottybuzz could put together a half decent review site that is making money, surely it isn't that hard.

[iTouch!]

www.pimproll.com great site , great ratios! tryem out

[FreeHugeMovies]

You obviously didn't even look at my turn key solution before your rant.

Originally Posted by Relentless

A quick word about 'review site scripts':

My own review sites are custom coded from the ground up. I have also used a few different 'out of the box' review site scripts. Keep in mind, if your review site is the same as everyone else's review site you have zero reason for anyone to use your review site instead of some other one.

Review site scripts CAN be helpful (especially if you are working with a smaller budget). However, do not think that because you can get a script for a few hundred dollars your review site will suddenly be making you millions. You will need to do some considerable modifications to the script, hire a designer or designers to give your site a unique look and feel, hire REAL writers (not just some guy who likes to say 'this site is great' and then stuff the page with keywords).... it is not a simple thing to build a worthwhile review site and it is not cheap. Throwing up the same crap on wordpress or with a box script and supplying ZERO innovation, low quality review text, weak design etc is not going to earn you anything.

If you plan to spend only hundreds you should do something else with your money unless you have the skills and time to write your own reviews, code your own modifications and do your own high quality design work.

Again to be clear... I am NOT discouraging anyone from making a new REAL review site. I'd love to see some more well made review sites honestly. I am trying to discourage people from thinking that making and managing a real review site is cheap or easy... and most of all, I'm trying to prevent people from wasting 100s of dollars making fake review sites that earn nothing and damage the market as a whole.

[kush]

I'll throw this out there from my experience 5 or 6 years ago.

I went from being a broke college student just selling porn part time 1 year (and barely able to make the rent), to grossing over 300K the next year because of the concept of "review sites" and what makes them so profitable.

Granted, this was before rabbit, adultreviews, porninspector, thebestporn, and all those were anywhere near top 10K alexa, and the SEO traffic was soooo much easier to get for people searching for site names. This was also when reality porn was new and hot. I literally had a half page ad per review, few sentences of text, and agressive SEO, and after 1 google dance update things went from not even $100/day to well over $1,000 a day, practically overnight! It was awesome and alot of money for a 20 year old full time college student who knew SEO and had a limited adult network to accomplish.

Would I start one today? Hell no. It's too competitive, over saturated, the affiliate side is hurting in general, and to be anything more than a small fry would take way more than I'd be willing to invest on a gamble. Nope, if I came back to adult, review is not where I'd go.

[Yngwie]

oh they do... believe me..

[MediaGuy]

Oh yeah,,, they make a lot more from a lot less clicks on CTR than most other traffic sources. The clickers know where they're going, no bullshit, know exactly what they're getting vs. what they're looking for.

:D

[d-null]

Originally Posted by kush

I'll throw this out there from my experience 5 or 6 years ago.

I went from being a broke college student just selling porn part time 1 year (and barely able to make the rent), to grossing over 300K the next year because of the concept of "review sites" and what makes them so profitable.

Granted, this was before rabbit, adultreviews, porninspector, thebestporn, and all those were anywhere near top 10K alexa, and the SEO traffic was soooo much easier to get for people searching for site names. This was also when reality porn was new and hot. I literally had a half page ad per review, few sentences of text, and agressive SEO, and after 1 google dance update things went from not even $100/day to well over $1,000 a day, practically overnight! It was awesome and alot of money for a 20 year old full time college student who knew SEO and had a limited adult network to accomplish.

Would I start one today? Hell no. It's too competitive, over saturated, the affiliate side is hurting in general, and to be anything more than a small fry would take way more than I'd be willing to invest on a gamble. Nope, if I came back to adult, review is not where I'd go.

good post, well said

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Relentless

99% of the people who make a review site badly underestimate the amount of work needed to build a successful one (I know because I own successful review sites and because I have been hired as a writer by dozens of others). Review sites depend on bookmarkers, customer loyalty and branding. That means they have to actually provide services worth returning for and reviews worth reading.

There are literally 1000s of sites online that call themselves review sites and probably less than 100 that are actual review sites. Throwing up a blog on wordpress with a bunch of made up reviews that do not tell the consumer much of anything about a paysite is not the same thing as actually reviewing 100s of paysites with a meaningful scoring system and detailed reviews that give the consumer an idea of what is inside the members area of 100s or 1000s of sites.

Review sites do make money. Review sites also do take a lot of time and effort to produce well. Keep in mind quality review sites have existed for years and built loyal followings among consumers, so throwing up a new review site that is no different from existing sites will be unlikely to attract much. Build something unique and innovative and people will use it... build something copying someone else, or something that is not actually helpful to consumers and it will fail.

If you do build a quality review site be sure to contact me and I will get it included in the WebmasterScore review site submitter system for you.

Good post.

Can't the same be said about any site?

The problem today is we throw up sites as fast and cheaply as we can then wonder why the surfer stays a surfer.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

You obviously didn't even look at my turn key solution before your rant.

Actually, what I wrote is very far from a rant. It is a factual comment based on years of experience owning and managing review sites.


THIS is what a rant looks like:
I have seen your 'box' script in action, I've seen and used the http://www.paysitereviewcms.com/ from MechBunny as well. I have written reviews for somewhere upward of 3,000 sites, reviewed some of them multiple times for multiple review sites using a variety of custom and 'box' back-ends... and I have spoken to dozens of other review site owners in my role as the owner of WebmasterScore which includes a review site submitter that has been used by more than 200 companies to submit more than 1,000 sites to more than 60 REAL review sites. During that time I have watched many webmasters fail horribly and lose money trying to start up fake review sites to fill the void when they see that their TGPs are failing.

A review site is not a magical window that will allow a webmaster to return to 2001 when posting pretty much anything guaranteed you sales. It will not make you rich overnight even if you build a fantastic review site, and if you build one that is less than fantastic you are pretty much throwing your money in the toilet. The advantage of review sites is that they actually have REAL value to consumers when they are operated properly. A quality review site helps a consumer find a paysite BETTER than a search engine or a tube or TGP can. Consumers who buy multiple memberships per year become loyal readers of their favorite review site (keep in mind they likely have ONE favorite each out of 100s of review sites).

So, buying a cheap box script and ADDING a 10% skim cost to your operations as per the Review Wizard website "Review Wizard skims 10% of your outgoing clicks to sponsors. This means if a particular surfer clicks to go to a paysite, we replace your code with ours" is not what I would recommend doing as a new review site owner. I would recommend hiring a coder, a designer and a writer. Getting a custom script built from the ground up, a quality UNIQUE design that has features other review sites are missing... not just a pretty layout - functional differences, and reviews written by someone who honestly understands what the surfer is looking for and how to sell it without damaging the credibility of your review site in the process.

'Box" scripts can be useful, as I stated earlier, if you are on a very small budget and plan to transition to more complexity or if you have access to the source code (as mech bunny provides) so that you can do some serious modification to the script. That is how your site MIGHT be different from all others and actually stand out from the crowd a little bit.

/end rant.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Good post.
Can't the same be said about any site?
The problem today is we throw up sites as fast and cheaply as we can then wonder why the surfer stays a surfer.

No Paul, the same can not be said for all other sites. There is a large market for simple sites that are very easy to make and are much cheaper than review sites. It's a completely different model requiring massive amounts of traffic and so on... Tube sites are a good example. TGPs were as well. If you use cars as a metaphor, a good review site is intended to be a high end vehicle. There are also plenty of people who drive Hondas and Hyundais in this world. However, just as it would be a mistake to invest too much time and effort into 1 TGP when you can make 100s of them quickly and cheaply, it would similarly be an error to build a review site and not invest a lot of time and effort into building it into what a consumer would demand of it.