How pokerstars can get away with it is beyond me...

[biskoppen]

I've been playing with my littlebrother every single evening for like 2 months now.. 6 player tournaments..

When two players are all in preflop 8 out of 10 times the worst hand wins, it's sooo fucking insane - I'm seriously not believing my fucking eyes...

I know some will say "It's because you only notice the bad beats".. but thats not the case, we're been monitoring this pattern very closely and kept and eye on it when-ever an all-in preflop situation is going on...

I have no doubt now that, at least pokerstars, is a rigged game

Flame away

[DatingGold]

worst part is your playing a bot who takes all your money

[biskoppen]

Originally Posted by DatingGold

worst part is your playing a bot who takes all your money

I have defintly seen players who seem very bot'ish... mysterious random-delays where the decision is obvious etc etc

[dig420]

i'm pretty convinced online poker is completely corrupt and set up to keep the fish playing.

[Jens Van Assterdam]

Originally Posted by dig420

i'm pretty convinced online poker is completely corrupt and set up to keep the fish playing.

word up!

[Socks]

A> No motive, they stand to gain 0.
B> Any hand can win!
C> Sounds like you're playing low limits, where people do anything
D> If you're colluding with your brother, prepare to lose your account, and your funds. PokerStars is great that way, if you've involved in a tournament with colluders and PS catches them, even if you were unaware and lost the tourney, you could earn a big profit! They take all the money you had in your account, and distribute it to the players you were playing against. I got $50 once!
E> Bots can only do one of the 3 things that a human can do - call, raise or fold. The only advantage they may have is being smarter than you.
F> The percentages only work out over thousands of hands. Even the best players sometimes can't win a pot or table for long stretches, by playing the same way they always play.

Pokerstars isn't in the business of playing poker, they have everything to lose and absolutely nothing to gain by cheating. Even in a $500,000 hand, they stand to gain $3, which they made before the cards were dealt.

To add to that, I generally throw in $100-200 and play a mix of cash games, sng's, omaha, etc. Most times I run this money up to about a thousand bucks on a steady run, then lose it all. Over and over. This last time I just cashed out I think $1200 and said fuck it, I'm gonna win this time!

[Varius]

Originally Posted by biskoppen

I have defintly seen players who seem very bot'ish... mysterious random-delays where the decision is obvious etc etc

These delays on obvious plays are often due to players having more than one game open at the same time, so they are likely in a decision on one of the other windows first then come make this one.

[biskoppen]

A> No motive, they stand to gain 0.

They make the bad players win = play more. There more bad players than good players

C> Sounds like you're playing low limits, where people do anything

Doesn't have anything to do with the outcome of all ins

D> If you're colluding with your brother, prepare to lose your account

We don't.

E> Bots can only do one of the 3 things that a human can do - call, raise or fold. The only advantage they may have is being smarter than you.

If the bot is inhouse it can do alot more

F> The percentages only work out over thousands of hands. Even the best players sometimes can't win a pot or table for long stretches, by playing the same way they always play.

We've seen LOTS of hands, and the percentage holds... I'm actually considering taking a screenshot of every single all-in we see and put it together for a youtube video along with a live percentage on the side which constantly calculates the odds of this being random

[biskoppen]

In cash games in it is very much in PS' interest having big hands collide all the time... makes big pots = big rakes

[Socks]

Bad players are going to lose their money anyways.. I've lost $200 my VERY first hand after depositing.. It happens.

I don't think you have a good understanding of odds. They're a lot closer than you think.. For instance like 67 of spades VS AsAc (suits covered) the 67 has a nearly 22% chance of winning.

KK VS AK.. AK wins 30% of the time

QQ VS 22.. 19% chance for 22.

1 in 5 is quite a lot for such dominant situations, it happens a lot. Which is why high bankroll players like to play games like $4-8k limit, because they can get deeper into the hand where they can better understand their chances of winning in a given situation.

[DirtyProfits]

Originally Posted by Varius

These delays on obvious plays are often due to players having more than one game open at the same time, so they are likely in a decision on one of the other windows first then come make this one.

Yes that is true for the multitabling players but some players also do it on purpose because they think if they pretend to think for so long the opponent might think they have a weak hand when they go all in with their KK etc.

I can read those players quite well and if they do that time play thing I know I should fold

[eightmotives]

Online gambling is fucking corrupt, if you believe you have a chance of making any money in it then you will go broke quick.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Socks

Pokerstars isn't in the business of playing poker, they have everything to lose and absolutely nothing to gain by cheating. Even in a $500,000 hand, they stand to gain $3, which they made before the cards were dealt.

Unless of course the winning players are in-house accounts.

[Socks]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Unless of course the winning players are in-house accounts.

And what's to stop a rogue ex-employee from bringing your several hundred million a year business to its knees in a single day?

It's too much to risk, it just doesn't make any sense. They have thousands of players, and exactly half of them win, the other half lose, rinse and repeat, and they make their money in between.

[Miguel T]

I normally play on Poker.com and Bwin.com.
Have won quite alot of money :D :

[IntenseJerry]

Originally Posted by AbsolutePorn

I normally play on Poker.com and Bwin.com.
Have won quite alot of money :D :

Me to...

[Martin]

I know one thing, I take alot more bad beats online then I do playing live.

Last night I'm playing a $10 180 MTT. Bubble approaching. I got like a 20bb stack so not desperate yet. Short stacks are just pushing allin. I'm just waiting to pick up a hand to double up. So I'm in the BB and I get aces. One player in EP makes a raise 3x the bb, folds around to the SB who goes allin. I'm thinking sweet. I push EP raiser calls. We're like pretty even. I think I had $1200 more then him. EP show A2 of spade, SB shows K-Q. Right on the fucking flop 345. Hits his wheel. Couldn't believe it.

I wanted to write PS a angry letter like this guy.lol

[IllTestYourGirls]

I have deposited once way back when you could use neteller and have never had to reload. Never play more than 5 to 7% of your bankroll in cash games and 3 to 5% in tournies and you should never go broke. If you do you really have to look at your game.

[starpimps]

let us not all forget about the whole absolute poker fuckup
google absolute poker superuser

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Socks

A> No motive, they stand to gain 0.
B> Any hand can win!
C> Sounds like you're playing low limits, where people do anything
D> If you're colluding with your brother, prepare to lose your account, and your funds. PokerStars is great that way, if you've involved in a tournament with colluders and PS catches them, even if you were unaware and lost the tourney, you could earn a big profit! They take all the money you had in your account, and distribute it to the players you were playing against. I got $50 once!
E> Bots can only do one of the 3 things that a human can do - call, raise or fold. The only advantage they may have is being smarter than you.
F> The percentages only work out over thousands of hands. Even the best players sometimes can't win a pot or table for long stretches, by playing the same way they always play.

Pokerstars isn't in the business of playing poker, they have everything to lose and absolutely nothing to gain by cheating. Even in a $500,000 hand, they stand to gain $3, which they made before the cards were dealt.

To add to that, I generally throw in $100-200 and play a mix of cash games, sng's, omaha, etc. Most times I run this money up to about a thousand bucks on a steady run, then lose it all. Over and over. This last time I just cashed out I think $1200 and said fuck it, I'm gonna win this time!

Please don't trot that tired shit out. Absolute has already been caught redhanded, and FT was prettily convincingly caught padding middle hands. They stand to gain by maxing the rake, and keep bad players churning money through the system. Saying 'they have nothing to gain' really just shows that you ape whatever some shill tells you instead of actually thinking about something for yourself, as a webmaster it should be pretty damn simple for you to think of about a million ways they can profit by gaming the system.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by biskoppen

A> No motive, they stand to gain 0.

They make the bad players win = play more. There more bad players than good players

C> Sounds like you're playing low limits, where people do anything

Doesn't have anything to do with the outcome of all ins

D> If you're colluding with your brother, prepare to lose your account

We don't.

E> Bots can only do one of the 3 things that a human can do - call, raise or fold. The only advantage they may have is being smarter than you.

If the bot is inhouse it can do alot more

F> The percentages only work out over thousands of hands. Even the best players sometimes can't win a pot or table for long stretches, by playing the same way they always play.

We've seen LOTS of hands, and the percentage holds... I'm actually considering taking a screenshot of every single all-in we see and put it together for a youtube video along with a live percentage on the side which constantly calculates the odds of this being random

All this info is already out there, on places like 2+2 and neverwin. No matter how much fishy shit is shown to people they'll still keep playing. Like me.

[Madame0120]

More likey, it is the # of hands we play online.

[HAPPYPEEKERS]

I play late at night on Poker Stars.com

i have been leaving the tables with a little more than I went with for the last few nights..
woohoo!

[dig420]

yeah and I'm 900 up for the day but as soon as I get up a few k I'll lose it all in an amazing series of bad beats, I can just about guarantee it. It's happened too many times before, always in the same way.

[onlineriches]

everyone is out to get you for $100.

Everyone who has posted in this thread sucks at poker. Let's see concrete proof of cheating TAKING PLACE TO BENEFIT A POKER ROOM. Cry about your lost pennies and blame everyone but yourself.

[qwe]

Originally Posted by dig420

yeah and I'm 900 up for the day but as soon as I get up a few k I'll lose it all in an amazing series of bad beats, I can just about guarantee it. It's happened too many times before, always in the same way.

yah I tried it few times before as well... it's like they let you win, then you think "damn, i can make money like this everyday", then a day later your trips loose to straight, or your flush looses to full house, pretty unbelievable... then you think "what a bad beat" and deposit more money, and then it's downhill from there...

[dig420]

Originally Posted by onlineriches

everyone is out to get you for $100.

Everyone who has posted in this thread sucks at poker. Let's see concrete proof of cheating TAKING PLACE TO BENEFIT A POKER ROOM. Cry about your lost pennies and blame everyone but yourself.

The fact that you don't know that this 'concrete proof' already exists, is well known and widely available makes your snide attitude and laughing face just that much more moronic.

[onlineriches]

please let me know what CONCRETE PROOF THERE IS FOR CHEATING TAKING PLACE TO BENEFIT A POKER ROOM.

[CDSmith]

So, let me get this straight. You KNOW it's rigged, you keep noticing something is fishy... yet you keep playing anyway?

Kind of dumb.

Isn't it? I'm asking.

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by AbsolutePorn

I normally play on Poker.com and Bwin.com.
Have won quite alot of money :D :

http://poker.com

Wheres the link to download the software?

[biskoppen]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

So, let me get this straight. You KNOW it's rigged, you keep noticing something is fishy... yet you keep playing anyway?

Kind of dumb.

Isn't it? I'm asking.

I never said I'm loosing did I?

[dig420]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

So, let me get this straight. You KNOW it's rigged, you keep noticing something is fishy... yet you keep playing anyway?

Kind of dumb.

Isn't it? I'm asking.

I'm not denying it... it's like smoking, it's tough to quit lol

I live in Vegas, and it's STILL hard for me to resist the ability to just open up the machine at 2am and get on a table. It's fun!

[GAMEFINEST]

poker is addictive

[polle54]

show me 300k+ hands in pokertracker or shut the fuck up. You really dont have a clue.

What you are claiming is very easy to prove, so take a shot at it LOL

and btw you can easily run bad over 20k hands which you prolly haven't even played.

[Nicky]

I stopped playing online when I couldn't deposit/cash-out with epassporte anymore

[d-null]

Originally Posted by polle54

show me 300k+ hands in pokertracker or shut the fuck up. You really dont have a clue.

What you are claiming is very easy to prove, so take a shot at it LOL

and btw you can easily run bad over 20k hands which you prolly haven't even played.

exactly

[Varius]

The thing to do is play tournaments and sit-n-gos instead of cash games then, and the alleged 'pad the pot' factor for extra rake will be non-existent.

[dig420]

http://www.google.com/search?q=twopl...e7&rlz=1I7SUNA

here you go dummies. Funny how it's the most notoriously ignorant posters, who apparently have never heard of google, always on the wrong side of every issue and completely oblivious to it.

The suckouts are already starting, had three one outers hit on me today in the 1m warmup. I shouldn't have put more money in until this morning, so I would be on the win algorythm for the tournament.

[onlineriches]

Originally Posted by dig420

http://www.google.com/search?q=twopl...e7&rlz=1I7SUNA

here you go dummies. Funny how it's the most notoriously ignorant posters, who apparently have never heard of google, always on the wrong side of every issue and completely oblivious to it.

The suckouts are already starting, had three one outers hit on me today in the 1m warmup. I shouldn't have put more money in until this morning, so I would be on the win algorythm for the tournament.

I work as a computer security engineer for a large poker network, so you are just making yourself look like an idiot.

What you posted shows a rogue employee taking advantage and not a whole poker room being in on a conspiracy to cheat you.

You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

[starpimps]

Originally Posted by onlineriches

I work as a computer security engineer for a large poker network, so you are just making yourself look like an idiot.

What you posted shows a rogue employee taking advantage and not a whole poker room being in on a conspiracy to cheat you.

You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22+S...L_enCA229CA229

another rogue employee @ ultimate bet also?
..sure thing

[starpimps]

Originally Posted by starpimps

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22+S...L_enCA229CA229

another rogue employee @ ultimate bet also?
..sure thing

just googled it....glad im not playing poker online

[dig420]

Originally Posted by onlineriches

I work as a computer security engineer for a large poker network, so you are just making yourself look like an idiot.

What you posted shows a rogue employee taking advantage and not a whole poker room being in on a conspiracy to cheat you.

You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

yeah. With a name like 'onlineriches' you are certainly credible as all hell. You work for Don Lapre or something?

They also just came out with a big study of FT's card distribution, and good hands are weighted heavily toward early and especially middle position to keep the rake full. It's completely fucking corrupt and it will stay that way until it's legal in the US again, and we finally get some quality regulation.

[onlineriches]

It is still legal in the US, however financial institutions are restricted from processing for gaming. What does that have to do with credibility of the industry? It has and always will be regulated by the KGC, or other gaming commissions in their jurisdictions.

I don't give a shit if you don't believe me, but all of the poker rooms use the same RNG hardware generation device, so your "study" of FT's card distribution is a piece of crap and likely put together by people who suck balls at poker and blame the sites for their losses.

no crying in the breast milk.

[onlineriches]

Originally Posted by starpimps

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22+S...L_enCA229CA229

another rogue employee @ ultimate bet also?
..sure thing

AbsolutePoker repaid millions of dollars to the players who were affected and was fined $500,000 by the Kahnawake Gaming Commission because of the actions of a few employees acting in their own interests.

How does that benefit AP in anyway? It is the issue of a $100,000 employee managing $50,000,000 worth of data.

[onlineriches]

Originally Posted by dig420

The suckouts are already starting, had three one outers hit on me today in the 1m warmup. I shouldn't have put more money in until this morning, so I would be on the win algorythm for the tournament.

The best part of all is listening to all the crazy theories people come up with when they think they see patterns in the software.

[mopek1]

Originally Posted by onlineriches

It is still legal in the US, however financial institutions are restricted from processing for gaming.

So does that mean Americans can play poker online but that they just can't use their bank or credit cards to fund their account?

If they used netpay for example they could 'legally' play and the poker sites could legally register new players with US addresses?

[cranki]

Originally Posted by Martin

I wanted to write PS a angry letter like this guy.lol

hahahahahahaaa

[tranza]

Originally Posted by starpimps

let us not all forget about the whole absolute poker fuckup
google absolute poker superuser

Yeah man they realy absolute poker!

[Martin]

Yeah I'm done with cash games online,, Just donk n go's. Most of the time I'm drunk and play online tourneys and just play supper aggressive. I don't know if it's rigged or what but you do take the most unbelievable bad beats online. I mean the time type that make you want to take a baseball bat to your computer LOL.

[onlineriches]

Originally Posted by mopek1

So does that mean Americans can play poker online but that they just can't use their bank or credit cards to fund their account?

If they used netpay for example they could 'legally' play and the poker sites could legally register new players with US addresses?

All of the major poker rooms such as: pokerstars, full tilt, absolute poker, ultimatebet, etc. all still accept US players. The only problem is that the financial flow has been restricted and it is very hard for US players to deposit funds.

Moneygram is a good solution for US players and works in a similar method to Western Union to fund your poker account.