who wants to bet this is the end of the Jan Internext Show?

[whatif_3]

With how the Jan Vegas show has been declining over the years, then MJ and AVNChris no longer there, then Silvercash and other big sponsors not dropping down those 25k sponsorships anymore, then their mag went away

it was funny how there was a thread a few weeks ago about the shows working together on their sceduling, now at this point even to continue AVN would have to do an amazing thing in order to just get enough sponsors and momentum for another show

mj/chris ran the shows, no idea who they have to do it now. cant think of anyone who has a relationship with the adult internet side

[Barefootsies]

I do not think this show will be over. Vegas, Miami, L.A, are some of the biggest shows of the year (not counting international shows).

While Chris's loss will be big, I am sure they will find a way to pull it off. However, I did remember reading something about with the Palm's bankruptcy, that may allow the adult show to get out of their contract.

It will be interesting to see how many full time adult program and business owners are left come Jan Vegas. I see a lot of changes in the 2009 shows from years past. It should be interesting who is left, and who can afford to go to shows, much less sponsor them.

[Gerco]

The shows are getting smaller and smaller. I even have a place to stay in Vegas and doubt I will go to the show this year. The smaller shows in some respects are nice cause you tend to be able to actually meet people , Like Barefootseies (was nice chatting with you a little during D Money thing in FLa) but the ROI just is not there any more.

[jay23]

AVN should merge the Internet show with the video show (just like they got the b2b show inside Internet).

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Gerco

was nice chatting with you a little during D Money thing in FLa

Back atcha bud.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by jay23

AVN should merge the Internet show with the video show (just like they got the b2b show inside Internet).

They really need to merge some shows, and space them out to every 60-75 days. Have 2-4 a month is getting nuts, and a lot of people simply are not going to attend that many shows.

You have business you wanna do, and face time is a plus. But goddamn. You have to be in the office to get some work done as well.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by whatif_3

cant think of anyone who has a relationship with the adult internet side

and therein lies their biggest problem . . . kind of late in the game to start thinking about that though.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by whatif_3

mj/chris ran the shows, no idea who they have to do it now. cant think of anyone who has a relationship with the adult internet side

Quite frankly...I not only attended but had booths at IA2000 and Internext up until 2002. Then I stopped going until I went to Internext in 2008 and 2009. I had never heard of Chris before. So if he and the other guy "ran" the shows...they certainly didn't run them back in the day when IA 2000 and later Internext were HUGE.

I'm not dissing either of them. I'm just saying that without knowing their history in the biz...aren't they rather recent employees of AVN? Were they even around 10 years ago? 7 years ago? 5 years ago?

The shows are getting smaller because there are too many and sales are down for all the big sponsors and AVN really got out of hand as far as bending everybody over for money.

I won't even go into the whole calendar debacle at the beginning of this year that convinced me to never give them another penny in advertising.

[whatif_3]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I do not think this show will be over. Vegas, Miami, L.A, are some of the biggest shows of the year (not counting international shows).

While Chris's loss will be big, I am sure they will find a way to pull it off. However, I did remember reading something about with the Palm's bankruptcy, that may allow the adult show to get out of their contract.

i just dont think the momentum is there with (at this point) a zero level of interactivity between avn and the adult internet community and the steep continuing decline in the quality of that show over the yearsrs

last year the palms show floor was 2 new programs + 36 billing companies

i dont think they can pull it off with Helmy and his full team of people promoting their Xbiz LA show in full force just weeks later

maybe they can pull it off, but its hard to believe that after 11 years or whatever, this may be the year the show actually dies

not referring to the internext fl show, just vegas

[Adam_M]

Hope not, I love the vegas show in January.

[DonovanTrent]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Quite frankly...I not only attended but had booths at IA2000 and Internext up until 2002.

Boy, those were the GOOD OLD DAYS for that show. I remember coming out to Vegas, spending all my time at that show, and then, eh, maybe I'll peek in at AEE. Now I only go to AEE and never hit Internext. Might do so if they have it in 2010 though, to see who's still around.

[whatif_3]

Originally Posted by DonovanTrent

Boy, those were the GOOD OLD DAYS for that show. Now I only go to AEE and never hit Internext.

i agree 100%, those were the days when programs were living high on the hog, throwing lavish 500k parties, and they spent a high % of their revenue promoting to get affiliates and market to the public

but times have changed, its not a pick-up-the-phone and take-the-orders sort of thing, but a knock on peoples doors and asking back for some of the support avn has given out over the years, pull favors, etc.

chris was that guy for the past 4 years

plus its an uphill battle anyhow for them because out of all the shows, because people are looking carefully at value right now, id bet avn gives the least % of attendee/sponsor $$ back to the attendees/sponsors, and i bet xbiz's % of the money they sink back into the show is much higher, and with the phx forum, they have stated in the past they sink ALL the sponsor/attendee money back into the show

[JFK]

Originally Posted by whatif_3

With how the Jan Vegas show has been declining over the years, then MJ and AVNChris no longer there, then Silvercash and other big sponsors not dropping down those 25k sponsorships anymore, then their mag went away

it was funny how there was a thread a few weeks ago about the shows working together on their sceduling, now at this point even to continue AVN would have to do an amazing thing in order to just get enough sponsors and momentum for another show

mj/chris ran the shows, no idea who they have to do it now. cant think of anyone who has a relationship with the adult internet side

actually, if the thruth be known, the show is ably run by Renee and her staff. MJ and Chris may have been the visible ones, but she does the actual work

[jcsike]

Originally Posted by JFK

actually, if the thruth be known, the show is ably run by Renee and her staff. MJ and Chris may have been the visible ones, but she does the actual work

ill be surprised if they can pull many sponsors in this year

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by whatif_3

last year the palms show floor was 2 new programs + 36 billing companies

Affiliate attendance is not that high at shows, and the ones that do go will not start promoting a new program just because they sponsor a show.

It actually makes sense for a show to be mostly b2b companies such as billing companies, since they are the only ones who can turn an ROI since affiliate programs are their client base.

[NaughtyRob]

I live in Vegas and stopped going to the shows in 2004-2005. I meet people for lunch, drinks, dinner etc and thats good enough. There is really no need to go inside.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

MJ and Chris had nothing to do with the shows- they may have helped out and worked selling sponsorship, but Renee is the show's brains.

The show will go on..

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by jay23

AVN should merge the Internet show with the video show (just like they got the b2b show inside Internet).

I mentioned this to Paul last week at AVN.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

I mentioned this to Paul last week at AVN.

what else did you mention to paul last week????

[JFK]

Originally Posted by american pervert

what else did you mention to paul last week????

professed his undying LOVE and devotion ??

[WebCompanyInc]

No not the end more like a new beginning.

Stay tuned.

[PantiesDropped]

$20 bucks they show will go on. I'm cheap like that you but a bet is a bet.

[TheAmericanCannibal]

Originally Posted by american pervert

what else did you mention to paul last week????

I told him it burns when I pee

[whatif_3]

kb, you think you got that from chris?

[urgeag]

if its true, glad i got to go to one before they disappeared...would have loved to experiecned one in its hay day...

[Sly]

Well, I haven't been to a show in a few years... but I never went to a show specifically because one person was the "face" of it. I went to the show because I thought the show could either be valuable or fun. And they were.

People leave companies. People come into companies. Its life. The show will go on, as they say.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

I told him it burns when I pee

one z-pac and a shot in the ass and you're good to go!

[2MuchMark]

I hope there will be more Internext's. Last January's Internext was smaller but it was the best ever for us - I did more business at that show than any other Internext!

Let's face it - in tough times, all businesses need to adapt to remain profitable. If show owners suddenly find it hard to turn a proffit because Hotel costs are up and sponsorships and registrations are down, finding ways to cut costs is a must.

[C H R I S]

Internext will be fine, actually it will be gigantic.

Although I had alot to do with direction and was basically the face, I have to give credit to Renee and Megan who execute shows better than anyone in this business.

I learned ALOT from my time at AVN from Renee, Paul, Susan, and many others. The relationships I have made will be invaluable in my future success.

Cheers.

[C H R I S]

And whatever anybody says,both Internext shows delkiver the most value out of any adukt digital show. Attendees and clients have told me this time and time again.

The show will go on, and I'll see you there.

A little more relaxed, but there.

[Boobzooka]

Originally Posted by AVNChris

And whatever anybody says,both Internext shows delkiver the most value out of any adukt digital show.

FYI, you have some food stuck between your K and L keys.

[WWC]

Interesting thread this will be ... sig spot ;-)

Ya its been a roller coaster.... i mentioned to AVN to partner with AEE and combine the 2 shows and it would have been better

[Phallus Fondue]

Originally Posted by AVNChris

And whatever anybody says,both Internext shows delkiver the most value out of any adukt digital show. Attendees and clients have told me this time and time again.

they must have been fibbing to you to prevent hurting your feelings. winter vegas just lost its appeal after it went solo from aee at the venetian. wasnt a bad show, just no longer a top one.
florida delivered better and still does as far as avn shows go. most value though? again afraid not, often just most expensive. still a positive roi for both though.
value wise would have to go to the inclusive shows, foremost thr forums. sadly i heard the cr show passed away. it gave great value and 1 on 1 time.

[emmanuelle]

Does anyone happen to have dates & locations for aee & internext handy?

[jcsike]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Does anyone happen to have dates & locations for aee & internext handy?

well, i was trying to find out about Internext for you, but on AVNs 2009 Internext Fl website, they have a big banner to the 2009 Vegas show (9 months ago)



i deduce with that, along with their recent expansions, they are obviously a driven, cutting-edge internet media company

[emmanuelle]

i deduce with that, along with their expansions, they are obviously a driven, cutting-edge internet media company

hahahahahaha

[Barefootsies]

Shows in general should not be run for PROFIT.

As others have said, some of the shows put ALL the money from sponsors and shit back into the show. That means catered meals, freebies, and quality speakers among other things.

Some of these shows are ran like a FOR PROFIT with the high badge cost, the nickel and diming you on ever little thing. It is not wonder some of the smaller people do not want to drop $1200-1500.00 per show 4 times a month. It's not rocket science.

That said, a lot of the shows I do enjoy. Including the venue. Even some of the higher end, or priced one's like Vegas, or Miami. But a lot of people simply are not going to get their dicks banged in 2-4 times a month trying to go to all these trade shows for BRO drinks, and listening to the same old people talking about the same old shit.

LAJ's Expo in San Fran was very nice. It had a good turn out and the seminars were interesting, and you heard from people you normally do not with some fresh perspective.

It was not the same old timers crying in their beers about how tubes are killing the industry, and making absolutism remarks like,... 'we ALL KNOW the pay site model is dead", or, "we ALL KNOW free is the way of the future",... type of shit.

Those making such remarks are discredited right out of the gate for being clueless idiots.

[ShellyCrash]

The year Internext was upstairs and AEE was down stairs in the Sands convention center, I want to say 2006, felt like the show killer for me. The floor was dead, everyone was at AEE. Ron Jeremy stopped by the booth to say how nice it was to come up stairs and be able to get away from everyone

It was never the same after that. I'm sure there were other factors, but for whatever reason that stands out in my mind as the big drop off point for that show.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Shows in general should not be run for PROFIT.

As others have said, some of the shows put ALL the money from sponsors and shit back into the show. That means catered meals, freebies, and quality speakers among other things.

Some of these shows are ran like a FOR PROFIT with the high badge cost, the nickel and diming you on ever little thing. It is not wonder some of the smaller people do not want to drop $1200-1500.00 per show 4 times a month. It's not rocket science.

That said, a lot of the shows I do enjoy. Including the venue. Even some of the higher end, or priced one's like Vegas, or Miami. But a lot of people simply are not going to get their dicks banged in 2-4 times a month trying to go to all these trade shows for BRO drinks, and listening to the same old people talking about the same old shit.

LAJ's Expo in San Fran was very nice. It had a good turn out and the seminars were interesting, and you heard from people you normally do not with some fresh perspective.

It was not the same old timers crying in their beers about how tubes are killing the industry, and making absolutism remarks like,... 'we ALL KNOW the pay site model is dead", or, "we ALL KNOW free is the way of the future",... type of shit.

Those making such remarks are discredited right out of the gate for being clueless idiots.

not for profit? in what dream world are you living? which idiot would run a show with all the hassle involved when he can't make profit with it?

i have nothing against profit, but the way is not to increase prices due to lower attendance but to make the show more attractive to the attendants by fair pricing and high value - then the profit will come by itself.

[C H R I S]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Shows in general should not be run for PROFIT.

As others have said, some of the shows put ALL the money from sponsors and shit back into the show. That means catered meals, freebies, and quality speakers among other things.

Some of these shows are ran like a FOR PROFIT with the high badge cost, the nickel and diming you on ever little thing. It is not wonder some of the smaller people do not want to drop $1200-1500.00 per show 4 times a month. It's not rocket science.

That said, a lot of the shows I do enjoy. Including the venue. Even some of the higher end, or priced one's like Vegas, or Miami. But a lot of people simply are not going to get their dicks banged in 2-4 times a month trying to go to all these trade shows for BRO drinks, and listening to the same old people talking about the same old shit.

LAJ's Expo in San Fran was very nice. It had a good turn out and the seminars were interesting, and you heard from people you normally do not with some fresh perspective.

It was not the same old timers crying in their beers about how tubes are killing the industry, and making absolutism remarks like,... 'we ALL KNOW the pay site model is dead", or, "we ALL KNOW free is the way of the future",... type of shit.

Those making such remarks are discredited right out of the gate for being clueless idiots.

Respect...

Please keep in mind that there is only one show that can operate w/o profit and that is CC Bill's phoenix forum. The forum is in my opinion the best show of the year.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Respect...

Please keep in mind that there is only one show that can operate w/o profit and that is CC Bill's phoenix forum. The forum is in my opinion the best show of the year.

you sure they dont make profit?

i would not be so sure

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Ron Jeremy stopped by the booth to say how nice it was to come up stairs and be able to get away from everyone

I am sure by now that guy feels like any "celeb" type of person, "please just leave me alone so I can get paid for this dumb events and go back home and go to sleep."

lol

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

And now that CES is moving away from the Sands, I expect the Vegas AEE show to be even smaller in attendance... so they should merge the two shows into one. Not on two different floors, but together. I'm sure that many of the fans would like to get a photo or autograph from a "web girl" as much as from a "video girl". Put them together, charge a decent fee, then let the general public come in to both. Have the first few hours of each day for B2B only, then let the crowds in...

Alysha has talked to many of her members that live in that area who wanted to come see her when she signed at AEE the last two years, but the badge fees kept them away.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

not for profit? in what dream world are you living? which idiot would run a show with all the hassle involved when he can't make profit with it?

i have nothing against profit, but the way is not to increase prices due to lower attendance but to make the show more attractive to the attendants by fair pricing and high value - then the profit will come by itself.

You missed the point champ.

Making a few bucks for the hassle is one thing. Raping attendees six ways from Sunday is another. Some shows put a lot back into the show. You get awesome speakers, snack shacks, catered meal or two, and killer party here or there.

Then you have others where you pay out the ass, and have next to nothing invested in the show. Seminars are sleepers. Few parties. Little return. Max. gouging.

[amacontent]

From DAY 1 both these shows, AVN and Internext never gave 2 shits about the smaller companies. All we were was filler content to them. Now they getting what they deserve as big boys are pulling out.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You missed the point champ.

Making a few bucks for the hassle is one thing. Raping attendees six ways from Sunday is another. Some shows put a lot back into the show. You get awesome speakers, snack shacks, catered meal or two, and killer party here or there.

Then you have others where you pay out the ass, and have next to nothing invested in the show. Seminars are sleepers. Few parties. Little return. Max. gouging.

you missed the point, "champ".

this is exactly what i was saying

[ExtremeBank_Adam]

Originally Posted by amacontent

From DAY 1 both these shows, AVN and Internext never gave 2 shits about the smaller companies. All we were was filler content to them. Now they getting what they deserve as big boys are pulling out.

I remember back in 2001, maybe '02 or '03 when the smaller companies even had booths at the Hollywood Internext. I liked that. You could walk around and SEE what everyone had to offer, not just what 12 big companies that have $25,000 booths have like the current format has.

I don't spend a lot of time on the boards to pre-arrange meetings before shows, so I like to walk and check out booths. Just my personal preference.

[CaroMark]

Well between the AVN and Internext shows back in January, the ROI for attending AVN was significantly higher than for attending Internext. The focus of the two shows is very different but with them being so close together I think that the line between the two has been blurred.

[MichaelP]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Shows in general should not be run for PROFIT.

You obviously have NO CLUE about the amount of work/risk/everything required running a tradeshow...

From 4 to 6 months before, going all over the place to promote it and make people aware about your event

The risks you take when you book hotel and stuff (I could have lost my house IF QWEBEC expo 1st edition haven't been the success it was)

The 100 Hours+ / week in the last stretch before the event

The 2-3 hours of sleep / night during the event

ans so on ....

[boneprone]

The Vegas Show in January is the ONLY show I go to now days.
Why? Becasue its Vegas.

Truthfully shows dont have enough of a draw to get me to come. Sales Reps, sponsors at shows, booths with models just doesnt do it.

I come because its Vegas. And because people who I already do biz with are there and we can all enjoy Vegas together.

Other shows Im Being the odd man out (as someone who actually makes money) and watching sales reps party with other sales reps at shows isnt my idea of fun. But at least in Vegas there is an escape to do other things than be stuck in a show. The draw that is Vegas is what imo keeps this show alive.

But if some of my friends like the Movie Post Dinner guys, or AFF, or some of the people who year after year take me out to dinners stop coming I will too.

Vegas is just a great setting for a show. Id be sad to see it go.
These other shows just dont have the draw for me to make an effort to go.