Business Thread.. How long do you wait until you pull links?

[Elite Porn Reviews]

I'm at 0:4236 in the past month, and 1:4804 the month prior.

Time to pull links do you think?

I'm around 1:400-1:800 on most other sponsors with the same traffic.

[Tom_PM]

Not clear cut.

Are those ratios to ONE paysite compared to ONE other paysite?

One sponsor compared to one other sponsor? if yes to this, do they have equal numbers of sites?

[RyuLion]

I'm thinking about starting superduperpornreviews.com to see what the results are..

[Tom_PM]

I guess the bottom line is to try to make sure your comparing same thing, or as close as you can. Also, lets say your poorer ratios are with a sponsor with 10 ebony paysites, well before killing all links, try concentrating them down to the choicest site(s). Cut back in that fashion instead of out and out abandoning them. Same with other niches.

Use the info to try to learn why, rather than assume it's just a bad place to send traffic. It could be that the other sponsors have something exceptional that somehow matches your traffic extremely well. Or indeed it could be just not converting, but a raw grand total ratio is a poor indicator IMHO.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Not clear cut.

Are those ratios to ONE paysite compared to ONE other paysite?

One sponsor compared to one other sponsor? if yes to this, do they have equal numbers of sites?

It's basically on sponsor to sponsor... But, I don't push every site from each sponsor, only a select few.

So, the number of sites are pretty equal on the overall stats, and it's covering a few niches.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by RyuLion

I'm thinking about starting superduperpornreviews.com to see what the results are..

The results on EPR are impressive overall

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I guess the bottom line is to try to make sure your comparing same thing, or as close as you can. Also, lets say your poorer ratios are with a sponsor with 10 ebony paysites, well before killing all links, try concentrating them down to the choicest site(s). Cut back in that fashion instead of out and out abandoning them. Same with other niches.

Use the info to try to learn why, rather than assume it's just a bad place to send traffic. It could be that the other sponsors have something exceptional that somehow matches your traffic extremely well. Or indeed it could be just not converting, but a raw grand total ratio is a poor indicator IMHO.

The comparison is basically the same, it would be say for example 5 sites within one program compared to 5 sites within another.

Most are converting great, 1 or 2 not at all.

I'm not making an assumption either, it's a proven fact that on a few different traffic sources people are not buying certain programs no matter how hard they are pushed, and on other programs they are buying like mad.

[Loch]

if you review sites why would you pull a review?
just give it a lower ranking....

[mpahlca]

I would pull after 10k uniques if you've sent 10k uniques to any site no matter the traffic source and they couldnt convert 1 there are freaking problems

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Loch

if you review sites why would you pull a review?
just give it a lower ranking....

Why give it a lower ranking if it's not converting?

That really don't make sense, I'm not ranking the traffic conversion on the site, I'm ranking how good of a site it is.

Never mentioned pulling a review either, it's more where you push your traffic to.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by mpahlca

I would pull after 10k uniques if you've sent 10k uniques to any site no matter the traffic source and they couldnt convert 1 there are freaking problems

That's pretty fair, I'm well over 10k uni's to 2, and both have made about 1 in 8k overall.

[RobertD]

Things start getting a serious eyeball at 1/3k if not sooner.

[katharos]

man i have about 60 domains and i am building three per week ... once i will have mine 120 i will care about that ... but now i dont know where i lost that or that link and if i will get paid with any ratio i am happy

[DukeSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Elite Porn Reviews

I'm at 0:4236 in the past month, and 1:4804 the month prior.

Time to pull links do you think?

I'm around 1:400-1:800 on most other sponsors with the same traffic.

Well, if it's a review site that you are sending traffic from, talk better about the site. Seems pretty obvious.

Duke

[famous]

I pull at 1:3k then try again after a few months if i like the sponsor. Then if the sponor ask why the links were pulled i tell them the truth that I cannot convert you. Then when they have a new site they will usually offer me a "guaranteed" converion. IE everyone else is say 1:1500 then for every 1500 i send if i get no sale they still credit me like i got one. THat way i dont waste my tarffic and sometimes it converts great and i will push them from then on out again. I just dont like paying to test when i have sites i know that works

[96ukssob]

depends on the niche, but after 1:3k, id pull them.

what converts well on your site might not for another, try a few out

[Net Money]

Originally Posted by Loch

if you review sites why would you pull a review?
just give it a lower ranking....

My thoughts exactly?

[PowerCum]

One month or 100k traffic. Whatever happens first.

What I have found that some sponsors convert very good with specific traffic while they don't convert at all with other traffics. So it could be your traffic.

In any case, if it's not working for your traffic, pull it and put a new sponsor.

[Barefootsies]

No clear cut answer.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Well, if it's a review site that you are sending traffic from, talk better about the site. Seems pretty obvious.

Duke

If your site is at 89 out of 100, can't really say much more.

Sites at 76, 70, hell even at 68 are converting better.

I don't get why.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by famous

I pull at 1:3k then try again after a few months if i like the sponsor. Then if the sponor ask why the links were pulled i tell them the truth that I cannot convert you. Then when they have a new site they will usually offer me a "guaranteed" converion. IE everyone else is say 1:1500 then for every 1500 i send if i get no sale they still credit me like i got one. THat way i dont waste my tarffic and sometimes it converts great and i will push them from then on out again. I just dont like paying to test when i have sites i know that works

This makes some sense, finally someone gives some input....

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Net Money

My thoughts exactly?

How do you agree with that, the score of the site has zero to do with how well it converts, surfers don't care about conversion rations.

They want to know about the members area, and what type of content is there.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by PowerCum

One month or 100k traffic. Whatever happens first.

What I have found that some sponsors convert very good with specific traffic while they don't convert at all with other traffics. So it could be your traffic.

In any case, if it's not working for your traffic, pull it and put a new sponsor.

Well of course you pull the traffic and move on, but the question is how long do you let it go until you change it up.

[ThumbLord]

one month, period

[DukeSkywalker]

Originally Posted by Elite Porn Reviews

If your site is at 89 out of 100, can't really say much more.

Sites at 76, 70, hell even at 68 are converting better.

I don't get why.

Hmm, well if that persons site is converting that bad and sites with a lesser rating are doing better, maybe the truth of the matter is that site doesn't deserve an 89, or try a similar pitch with the 89 as you do with the 70, 68 etc. I'd like to use the old adage "you can't shine shit" but myth busters just proved you can

One suggestion I would do is try asking the site for a lower price, but then you may razzle up your buddies with the same business model. I'd just ditch the site unless you feel it has some potential promise.
Duke

[Agent 488]

1:100,000 nowadays.

[pr0]

Very good question & people here will tell you 1,000 different things.

If you want my INFORMED opinion. Here goes....

Take them down immediately, contact the owner, or at least operations guy (not an affiliate manager) & discuss your situation.

Once they've worked with you to obtain a solution, put the links back up.

If you see the same results again for 2-4 weeks, take it down indefinitely.

Let them know you're not playing around & that you in fact have other options when it comes to choosing a sponsor.

Usually (if you have over 1,000 hits a day) they will contact you & ask where you went. When you tell them....they will identify a billing problem/script problem etc. & offer to reimburse you for sales lost if you put back up the links.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Elite Porn Reviews

Never mentioned pulling a review either, it's more where you push your traffic to.

You asked about pulling links. Well, with a review site...aren't the only "links" you have to the review of the site in question? If so then I'd say "No" you probably aren't ever gonna pull links because somebody might buy a membership one day and it ain't killing you to have it there.

But if you are talking about a banner or something you are running on your main page of the review site (a more valuable piece of property) then it's a totally different question that you're asking.

[Adam_M]

For a review site it isn't aways simple. Your going to have sites that convert great and some convert bad buy what you have told the surfer in the review. If the site got a great review and ranks in a high spot on you site and is still converting like shit then it maybe some sort of issue

[pr0]

Please remember that sometimes pulling links has search engine consequences. Depending on the situation...a links anchor disappearing may fuck you on a term.

For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction. Simply replacing the same anchor with another link does not always equate to the same relevance ::

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by pr0

Please remember that sometimes pulling links has search engine consequences. Depending on the situation...a links anchor disappearing may fuck you on a term.

For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction. Simply replacing the same anchor with another link does not always equate to the same relevance ::

Great point

[pr0]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Great point

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[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

Hmm, well if that persons site is converting that bad and sites with a lesser rating are doing better, maybe the truth of the matter is that site doesn't deserve an 89, or try a similar pitch with the 89 as you do with the 70, 68 etc. I'd like to use the old adage "you can't shine shit" but myth busters just proved you can

One suggestion I would do is try asking the site for a lower price, but then you may razzle up your buddies with the same business model. I'd just ditch the site unless you feel it has some potential promise.
Duke

I've never been a fan of the "special price" deals to be honest.

Ratings are all over the places, and it's really odd that some lower rated sites convert pretty well. But, we also give an honest opinion, we don't bash, but if the site lacks content, or updates we let you know.

I guess overall everyone is different, what I was looking to find out is how many thousands of hits do you send before pulling the plug

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by pr0

Very good question & people here will tell you 1,000 different things.

If you want my INFORMED opinion. Here goes....

Take them down immediately, contact the owner, or at least operations guy (not an affiliate manager) & discuss your situation.

Once they've worked with you to obtain a solution, put the links back up.

If you see the same results again for 2-4 weeks, take it down indefinitely.

Let them know you're not playing around & that you in fact have other options when it comes to choosing a sponsor.

Usually (if you have over 1,000 hits a day) they will contact you & ask where you went. When you tell them....they will identify a billing problem/script problem etc. & offer to reimburse you for sales lost if you put back up the links.

Of course you get tons of different answers, and most of them are not helpful at all.

I cut the traffic off a bit ago, and got no real reply when trying to contact the program, just shows where they are at anyways I guess.

There are enough people who are willing to work with you and go that extra mile these days, and that speaks a lot to me. Good customer service means a lot.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You asked about pulling links. Well, with a review site...aren't the only "links" you have to the review of the site in question? If so then I'd say "No" you probably aren't ever gonna pull links because somebody might buy a membership one day and it ain't killing you to have it there.

But if you are talking about a banner or something you are running on your main page of the review site (a more valuable piece of property) then it's a totally different question that you're asking.

No, there are many sources of traffic, and it's easy to divert surfers elsewhere.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by pr0

Please remember that sometimes pulling links has search engine consequences. Depending on the situation...a links anchor disappearing may fuck you on a term.

For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction. Simply replacing the same anchor with another link does not always equate to the same relevance ::

Yes, SE's can be a bitch with this type of thing

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Elite Porn Reviews

No, there are many sources of traffic, and it's easy to divert surfers elsewhere.

Not quite following you...but I guess you are saying that it's not on your Porn Review site? So you have another free site that has links? It's hard to give good answers to you without some clarity.

Here's the best I can do: I've run freesites since the mid 1990's. Banners and text links I change up whenever the mood hits me. Gallery links I leave up forever unless the program goes belly up. I never pull links off because of low ratios. Especially if it's only been a few days or a month or so. In my mind, I'm getting cookies on people and perhaps getting delayed sales after they've had some time to think about it.

Now I WILL put UP new links if I see a program doing real well. In other words if I see some sales rolling in from hosted galleries or a blog spot or a tube vid on my sites...then I'll probably throw up a banner or a text link in a more valuable piece of property.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Not quite following you...but I guess you are saying that it's not on your Porn Review site? So you have another free site that has links? It's hard to give good answers to you without some clarity.

Here's the best I can do: I've run freesites since the mid 1990's. Banners and text links I change up whenever the mood hits me. Gallery links I leave up forever unless the program goes belly up. I never pull links off because of low ratios. Especially if it's only been a few days or a month or so. In my mind, I'm getting cookies on people and perhaps getting delayed sales after they've had some time to think about it.

Now I WILL put UP new links if I see a program doing real well. In other words if I see some sales rolling in from hosted galleries or a blog spot or a tube vid on my sites...then I'll probably throw up a banner or a text link in a more valuable piece of property.

I find the question to be quite simple and quite clear.

You have traffic.

You send traffic to multiple programs.

Average programs convert at 1:500-1:800

You have another going 0:4236 in the past month, and 1:4804 the month prior.

How long do you let it go until you pull the traffic going towards them

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Elite Porn Reviews

I find the question to be quite simple and quite clear.

You have traffic.

You send traffic to multiple programs.

Average programs convert at 1:500-1:800

You have another going 0:4236 in the past month, and 1:4804 the month prior.

How long do you let it go until you pull the traffic going towards them

Again, I don't know how to answer that. I have traffic. I have around 500 different programs that I promote. I'm not pulling any traffic to anybody unless their program closes.

You have a porn review site that you are showing. So I have to assume that you won't pull anything out of there.

So that means you're buying a spot from somebody and this program is costing you money? In that case I'd change it out for something that you know works.

I don't pay for traffic, I have my own so that's why your question seemed unclear to me. I presumed you were talking about your own traffic and not a paid spot.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Again, I don't know how to answer that. I have traffic. I have around 500 different programs that I promote. I'm not pulling any traffic to anybody unless their program closes.

You have a porn review site that you are showing. So I have to assume that you won't pull anything out of there.

So that means you're buying a spot from somebody and this program is costing you money? In that case I'd change it out for something that you know works.

I don't pay for traffic, I have my own so that's why your question seemed unclear to me. I presumed you were talking about your own traffic and not a paid spot.

So you have 500 programs you promote, and if you are sending traffic at 0:4000, 0:5000, 0:8000 etc, you'd not swap links and just let things go?

Even if other sponsors are converting at 1:400 and 1:500 on average on the same traffic.

I don't think I agree with how you handle your traffic.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Elite Porn Reviews

So you have 500 programs you promote, and if you are sending traffic at 0:4000, 0:5000, 0:8000 etc, you'd not swap links and just let things go?

Even if other sponsors are converting at 1:400 and 1:500 on average on the same traffic.

I don't think I agree with how you handle your traffic.

You're not understanding....Take a look at http://grampland.com/mmpage.html I have THOUSANDS of links to galleries in there if you count the years and years of archived galleries. I would NEVER pull a gallery link in my own tgp or any of the other ones I own.

Now, if I put a banner link right there on the main page and I saw that it wasn't making any sales then I would change it out for another one that I am seeing good sales for. But that particular program would probably have hundreds and sometimes thousands of other links throughout my sites. I just wouldn't put it in a major spot.

Now if I were buying a spot on the Hun or a big tube site...then I wouldn't fuck around at all. I'd pick my very best converting and highest paying for that one. But on my own sites I never pull anything. They move by themselves down the list and out to the archives.

[cezam]

Originally Posted by katharos

man i have about 60 domains and i am building three per week ... once i will have mine 120 i will care about that ... but now i dont know where i lost that or that link and if i will get paid with any ratio i am happy

katharos if you read this hit me up at icq in my sig.. (muzeme pokecat

[NetHorse]

It depends on the source of traffic and what it's costing you, (if anything).

That being said I pull links if they don't convert in 1:1000. My traffic is targeted though and I don't run TGP/MGP type sites.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You're not understanding....Take a look at http://grampland.com/mmpage.html I have THOUSANDS of links to galleries in there if you count the years and years of archived galleries. I would NEVER pull a gallery link in my own tgp or any of the other ones I own.

Now, if I put a banner link right there on the main page and I saw that it wasn't making any sales then I would change it out for another one that I am seeing good sales for. But that particular program would probably have hundreds and sometimes thousands of other links throughout my sites. I just wouldn't put it in a major spot.

Now if I were buying a spot on the Hun or a big tube site...then I wouldn't fuck around at all. I'd pick my very best converting and highest paying for that one. But on my own sites I never pull anything. They move by themselves down the list and out to the archives.

I am fully understanding, and you've still yet to answer the question lol

[Tom_PM]

He did answer, and you've been given a bunch of answers you dont seem to agree with. That doesnt mean people havent been trying to offer input, but they'll cool off if you dont want any of it. I dont understand that.
He said he NEVER pulls anything from his own sites. Answer: never.

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

He did answer, and you've been given a bunch of answers you dont seem to agree with. That doesnt mean people havent been trying to offer input, but they'll cool off if you dont want any of it. I dont understand that.
He said he NEVER pulls anything from his own sites. Answer: never.

Then he also said he puts up banners and etc, and moves them out if they are not producing.

Well, how long does he wait?

The question is quite simple....

[Agent 488]

why pull links on a review site? makes no sense. like robbie says, don't feature them with a prime spot or banners, but why bother pulling them?

[Tom_PM]

I'm sure he waits for what he knows for his site and that niche an amount of time where he'd know if it was doing well or not.

It's kind of like asking "how big a nail should I use".

[Elite Porn Reviews]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

why pull links on a review site? makes no sense. like robbie says, don't feature them with a prime spot or banners, but why bother pulling them?

This has nothing to do with a review site.

And has everything to do with traffic to sponsors.

[Agent 488]

1: 1000 then.