MrPopup

So basically the Sweet Entertainment Group seems to be admitting to doing all this shit? Because that's what your post is tantamount to. Again...for the sake of your legal matter SHUT THE FUCK UP. Face it...you're fucked....and all you're doing now is digging a wider hole....

The evidence isnt just in the Vancouver Police Department evidence room. Its on every one of your sites. If they can tie any of your customer accounts to any resident of British Columbia, you are going to be facing massive fines and possibly worse. Your content is illegal in British Columbia. If that content has been distributed to a resident of British Columbia, you are guilty.

Its not about driving traffic or getting exposure. Its about staying within the law of your jurisdiction. Your company obviously has failed to do that - THIS IS A YEAR LONG INVESTIGATION, not some "lets bust the pornographers" and get our faces in the press deal.

And whats worse, you've jeopardized the entire Vancouver Webmaster scene. Let's hope the majority of content producers of Vancouver conduct themselves in a less-attention getting manner then your organization. And by less attention getting...I mean... selling legal content.

PORNOGRAPHERS RULE #101: IF IT AINT LEGAL WHERE YOU PRODUCE IT, DONT PRODUCE IT.

TheGoldenChild

Mikey-

always a pleasure......

Although the YNOT thing was a cheap shot. They would probably like yuo to think this is a way of taking out frustration but the point is.....

I have nothing to gain posting this thread I am not touting any programs, nor am I selling any content. I am just a person who is sick and tired of watching hypocrisy in this business as well as the cultivation of ignorant newbies making wrong assumptions about everything in this business...

I will save you the rant but I'd love to show this entire web community how many webmasters have gone to other web boards with their well wishing of Steve Sweet. I applaud THAT.

What I don't applaud is that in most of these cases these are the same guys who said DOWN WITH MAX HARDCORE.

Now Mikey- YOU MAKE GREAT CONTENT no doubt. CD Babes wouldn't be around this long if you weren't a NICE GUY.

I only see one fact that is paramount im both cases and that is what is considered obscenity by "community standards"

Now I ask you Mikey did you ever feel you have pushed the envelope?

Do you stick power tools in your models?

I can tell you this much - when my buddy Al sold Pure Candy Images to Brad Shaw I think he knew what was up two years ago being that he is in the Bible belt...

Mikey let's agree that most content providers have procrastinated in taking care of keeping their homes clean even AFTER your case and Max 's there are still plenty who are very naive.

I hate the sense of apathy that has been cast upon this business.

So, AM I being too hard on your buddies Mikey? Or am I calling a SPADE A SPADE?

Did FM help you financially with your CASE? Does he ask for media attention regarding it?

I respect yuo Mikey more than most but respect I ain't no dummy either

TheGoldenChild

Also you posting for the first time here is a dead giveaway someone tipped you off from another board to start some shit with me....fair enough

However if you notice did I refernce your case Mikey?

"It seems KB knows more about our case than us"
No I said YNOT comes to the aid of people in trouble but what EXACTLY DO THEY DO?

What does the FREE SPEECH COALITION DO if it happens to someone in OUR BACKTARD?

Mikey? you have an answer?

PattyeCake*

Please tell me, that you DON'T believe everything you read in print... Maybe you should take a gander at the old Luke Ford site.. I think he said the sky was falling several times, and yup some folks believed it.... Guess they shouldn't have believed what they saw in print...


the article also states:
One victim who has stepped forward says she was raped, beaten and degraded by a man at the porn studio during taping. Police are urging other victims to contact them.


Man, I shudder to think how many content producers face this same posibility DAILY... Man... she was degraded at a porn shoot, well shut my mouth...



You Just GOTTA LOVE the posturing done by police and reporters with nothing better to do with their time....

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Hmmm! Well you hit the nail on the head KB! Community Standards! What are they? Where are they defined? Am I to be forced to live my life based on what my neighbor believes in?

The obscenity laws the way they are written are so unconstitutional it's pathetic! I think we can all agree on that. But how many people here are willing to stand up and take a proactive stance to have them changed? Or will we continue to cower to the religious minority who with distorted facts push to shut our industry down.

Where would we be if Rosa Parks never sat in the front of the bus and the freedom riders never took the stance they did? Did they push the envelope? Damn right she did!

Do I push the envelope? What is the envelope? I practice my vision of common sense!

Do I use power tools in my models? All Depends, The usually use the drilldo themselves and all have found it very stimulating. Would an electric fuck machine be considered a power tool? I know, I drifted here :-) and I will reserve comment on this until I see the scene and am better educated to answer that.

But again, What happens behind closed doors among consenting adults should be the rule!

As far as the so called hypocrasy, most of what I saw on Max Hardcore was directed at the garden hose issue and the health and well being of the model involved.

Now as far as content providers procrastinating in taking care of keeping there houses clean, were back to defining the law and the envelope issue.

Americans in there quest for space put human life at risk and pushed the envelope on a daily basis. Every day of our lives people in both mainstream and adult push the envelope to develope new and better products.

Of course there is a much bigger issue here and that is the law itself, and the real agenda of the way the law is written and enforced. It is written nowhere that it is against the law to insert a power tool into an oraface! It is written nowhere that it is against the law to bind a womans breasts with rope! ect. ect.

But if a lil old lady from down the road has a problem with it, the state will bring there evidence to a Grand Jury and present a one sided case in which you have no opportunity to defend and obtain an indictment. Do you belive this to be just and fair? And even when you win the case keep this in mind, our lawmakers have enacted laws to protect those who have brought these charges against you from any possible recourse no matter how bad they have destroyed your reputation and standing in the community.

So Whether it be a webmaster forum lashing out or a webmaster posting support - Different strokes for different folks :-)

What I am still attempting to figure out is that in your last post you say I make great content and am a nice guy but in your original post you group me the the statement of "those who are dirty" and "always in trouble" ?????

We'll have to have a cup of coffee some time and discuss that one!

As far as issues of who supported us finacially? Ynot spearheaded a defense fund and a few individual webmasters chose to donate! FM made a substantial purchase of our content at a critical time when we needed expert witnesses. Others not affiliated with Ynot sent or offered support each in there own ways. I will forever be in there gratitude!!!!

Have a GREAT evening.

Spunky

Just watched the news and some lame ass reporter from Global came sniffing around.2 Girls, The receptionist and ,I guess office manager told him to basically fuck off.Looks like even though there was a raid,they havent shuttered up the place.I'm sure they probably will get a small fine and it will be buisness as usual soon.Just look at our laws regarding Pot..and the potential legalization.Yes completely differant but our laws are actually quite tame for criminals.Some kid kicked and punched a man to death on New Years eve and received 5 years in jail.Do you think they would seriously jail pornographers? I'm betting a fine of maybe $25 k-100 k tops including attorney fees.

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ah, spoken from the mouth of someone who's never been investigated to audited...it's no fucking picnic believe me...what would you do if they came to YOUR place, accused AND took your computers, files, paperwork, etc. How are you going to keep doing business? What if they are slow and drag things out? How long would you be able to sustain yourself while they investigated? Don't forget the fun of explaining to family and friends why you're being investigated....do you have kids? Imagine the fun they'll have in school explaining why their daddy was arrested...

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Mikey,

I cannot agree with you more, and never have a I read a more literate post on this board.

I mean that ! Mikey I never called you "dirty" The exact quote is that YNOT is always sticking up for the guy in "trouble"...

After considering many of the aspects of my post I made here it got me to thinking several things

First, I have been too hard on YNOT. Do they do great things for many webmasters, yes. Are they the BEST BOARD IN TOWN, hell if I know....to each their own. We each share an opinion of what WE value to be right, and what is wrong.

Do I think YNOT BOB's show sucks....yes. That's my opinion, I can't listen to it, but that's my opinion. Hell did anyone learn anything new today from Steve? It wasn't really a smart move to go anywhere and talk publically about the case so other than well wishers ,was it scoop? How manty deals get done on that webmaster show any one here have a success story of a webmaster who threw them a ton of biz while listening to social distortion? ...hey maybe I am wrong.

This is clearly a crazy nutty line to define...what is wrong .

I think that a lot of people who have stood up for the Sweets while trying to behead Max should be shot...for two reasons first you all convict these people in your minds before they are even tried..second, it is almost soap boxish how some of these people use this press to prmote their wares....shame on those of you who did this and YOU know who you are!

How come so many people are strong in their beliefs that child porn is wrong or that bestiality is wrong...seems to be very overwhelmingly a negative response you get from people-when asked about it. I think in most countries girls have sex under the age of 18 every day , insome cases it's the norm, or it's customary.

What happens when Namibia gets DSL? SERIOUSLY think about that! Ok that is underage and we can talk ad nauseum about that.

I think a lot of people will tell you that rape scenes hardly qualify as tasteful erotica , but who can really decide...Seen RAPE scenes beautifully acted out and executed in mainstream films...how come no pressure there?

All I know is this, people know when they are walking a fine line bewteen right or wrong ask my friends who are doing time for slinging drugs...they knew the risks going into it...how many of these people who rolled in dough put their money away for the defense should that time come? NONE. Who do you think they call when they need to be bailed out...not me. I had enough of the stories of them buying homes and sportscars with illegal profits and rubbing it in other's faces was it kharma?

Hey there is no doubt that the bigger you become the bigger target you are...ask Joe E ask RB, FM, JB if that's true....

I see some parallels there.

I will say that I take back the comment about YNOT NOT helping out financially to webmasters in need. They do all they can I suppose.

I just snapped today when I read such hypocrisy across every board regarding this matter. Look , I call Steve a friend, we used to be real tight back in the early days. We remember when each other were broke....I don't wish negative vibes on anyone man, it isn't good for the Chi. I wish Steve well , even if Steve called me on the phone I'd wish him well does he think I am talking shit?

I hope not, because Steve do wish you well, and I'd tell ya that I DO think you know you pushed the envelope...we all try do to that sometimes. Ok no more from me, I am going back to enjoying the cold of Cleveland

Mike Fold, YOU OUT HERE? I need a cocktail!

Right Gary?

Mikey you are a gentleman and a scholar- never intended to get ya hot :-)) I think you know I am an emotinal cat that is wound a little too tight these days.
Between the Bunnyranch.net thing this week on HBO, My radio show ( which is cancelled tomorrow) behindtheporn.com.

Gary- I am a man....

PattyeCake*

In the words of a Wise man, blah blah fucking BLAH.....

I'm going to bed folks, been a long couple of days, I could write a novel here and address the issues brought up, but no point..

I WILL say, that the "righteous" ones who come here to Throw stones, should perhaps look in their OWN back yards...

Yes, Steve Sweet is a friend of mine.. I am Honored to Know him and to be able to Call him My Friend.. Does he push the envelope? well, guess that depends on what you define as the envelope.. Do I agree with everything he does? Nope.. and I can assure you that he doesn't always agree with me...

However, I ALSO know our Attorney General John Ashhahahahaha, grew up and went to school with his kids.. and to the Americans in here with holier than thou attitudes... Well, all I can tell you is that Mr. Ashhahahahaha is a man who when elected Governor REFUSED to dance at his inaugurational ball, as he considers DANCING to be Lewd and suggestive and any sexual act other than the missionary position in total darkness and under the cover of blankets, to be OBSCENE.... Now, he's been a bit distracted from our industry for awhile, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for that to continue...



Next story please?
Just hope the person or company in Question isn't one of you...

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KB honey, Just to make this VERY clear before I go to bed, my post there was in NO WAY aimed at you.. we must have been typing at the same time


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Pipecrew

Anyone that has ever even been in a fight realizes it may seem like a long time but it is no where near 5 minutes long.... Go back to your keyboard, warrior.

Mr.Fiction

People are always pushing the existing boundaries in art and entertainment. They always have and they always will.

Many people in America thought Larry Flynt was a scum and a monster when he was on the cutting edge, now, in retrospect, he's a hero.

That's the way the world spins. If you don't like it, get off.

This is assuming we're talking about consenting adults and BDSM/fantasy, not actual illegal acts.

PaulSweet

Well said - esp since I am much happier being a "warrior" then another mouthy "keyboard warrior" such as yourself.....

And thanks for sharing facts with me on fighting. I know to take everything you say as gospel after you're great attempt at saying you've seen a picture of me. You haven't even seen a picture of me, you just assumed it was me! Great work sherlock....! What else do you have to shoot from the hip from with now besides your marvelous witt?

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Pipecrew

Not too much really, I'd rather have people think of me as a keyboard warrior instead of having my name dragged through the mud by webmasters and the media (real name and screenname) as scum

archer

good to see you back on the boards and good luck in the legal battle to come.

My guess is that seg is going to be the test case for a pile of charter and other legal issues - if seg fights it.

In the the keyboard warriors' rush to judgement on this board they seem to have forgotten the cardinal legal principle of innocent til proven guilty.

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SNOW

I think everything will pan out. Great to see you here on the board man. Shows dignity.

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nocostporn

stupidity if you ask me,a messageboard discussion/fight would be the last thing on my mind at this point... Like somebody said,I'm sure all of this is being seen... Momma taught me to lay low when I'm in trouble

good luck nonetheless,well not goodluck..if you're innocent goodluck...if you aren't hmm...goooood luck! lol

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It occurred to most of the people reading this board that there's at least one idiot and at least one moron responding to your posts???

Personally I figure it's the Sweets business and unless anyone here is stepping up to pay their attorney fees or claim ownership of their business then what does it matter? If you don't do business in Canada, it doesn't matter a fuck all, that's what.

Hmmmm. I think it was another of those damn Vancouver guys that said you have all the morals you can afford...

Let's see whose living on borrowed dimes.

PaulSweet

If you're worried about webmasters and the media dragging your name through the mud you're in the wrong industry.....

Talk is cheap and easy. There is no respect for someone who is all talk and no action.

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vittually EVERY paysite out there has canadian clients and thus does business in canada.

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I find it very interesting that people are all giving their two cents worth based on the media's reports and nothing more. Since most of you think that SEG has been shut down, that there is no one left working at the studio and that they are most likely all in jail, I would suggest that no one knows what is really going on and that you should most likely keep your mouths and opinions to yourselves.
Besides that, everyone has a lot to gain if the Sweets are successful in arguing the case in the courts. It means that you wont have to stop being cheap-asses and pay for the legal fees yourselves because they will have paid it all. BradShaw should be a happy little bunny in that case since he will be able to keep following in our footsteps. How convenient for him.

Kimmykim

I mean a physical presence in Canada. Having surfers from Canada is just like having surfers from Guam, it's nice that they paid but it makes no difference in the issue.

When the news reports say they are investigating the Sweets client database, one figures it is their webmaster client base buying content, not the surfer who's tossed out 30 bucks for a membership.

MrPopup

Dignity, but a lack of common sense.

The courts do not look kindly upon arrogance - which is exactly what this dude is doing....acting arrogant...and he's getting some really bad advice by continuing to come in here and talk shit.

I find it laughable that people defend others on the basis of whether or not they've had a drink with them. This entire matter is sad and has brought shame unto the webmaster community.

Those who suggest the "community standards are outdated" model can't even stay focused on why they suggest that model as they bounce between "art is pushing boundaries" and "this is okay because the technology is here and the laws can't keep up with us".

I'd like to find one person who is reasonably familiar with Sweet content AND the laws of the province of British Columbia, Canada who would be willing to say that Sweet content was legal.

There are STRICT provisions here against exactly what was being produced. They've pissed off a stream of the WRONG people in Vancouver by operating outside the bounds of the law.

Because someone drives traffic to your site does not mean they are a good or legal company. Why is this so difficult to see? I guess the bling bling lifestyle is so important to some of you out there that you cant see the true underlying problem with this whole matter.

Did SEG ever once think about the individuals and other companies they were jeopardizing because of their incessant need to break the law? This is a company that put its business partners - other webmasters - at great risk.

And what's laughable now....

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If I could write a letter to SEG:

Dear Representatives of Sweet Entertainment Group...

Instead of baiting others to physically fight you, could you clarify please the exact Professional and Ethical Standards SEG was adhering to when they chose to subject every Sweet business partner to a great deal of unnecessary scrutiny? And just so you know...that's a rhetorical question...meaning we all know the answer to it already.

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I actually have no respect for producers of illegal content.

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our local rag and had a few column inches devoted to the seg case this morning.

aside from making sure that the principals in SEG had their full and proper names 'outed', most of the article was addressed to the evils of SEG.

It was absolutely amazing... change a few words here and there and i could have been reading an article about the evils of prostitution or drugs or even masturbation.

the cops were certainly trying to put the worse spin possible on things by talking about 'SEG's tentacles' being worldwide and that we(the police) have SEG's entire customer list which we are investigating very closely.

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You Make alot of good points, its nice to see someone who actually takes time to generate a worthy post and makes sense of it!.. I wouldnt expect many responses from the "sweets" on it.

Sweet Judas

Quoted from Mrpopup:

Did SEG ever once think about the individuals and other companies they were jeopardizing because of their incessant need to break the law? This is a company that put its business partners - other webmasters - at great risk.


The interesting issue here is that it has not been proven that the law was broken. Even if someone has been charged, until they are proven guilty, it is assumed that they are not. Therefore what you are saying is that you are able to somehow determine that there is guilt without _any_ real facts, and that you somehow have enough legal expertise and knowledge to suggest that the Sweets are guilty. I would like to know what qualifications you have and who your sources are that have given you this so-called "accurate" information regarding this issue. If you are going by the sensationalized media information, then you are a bigger fool than you make yourself out to be online.
AND If you think that the issue will drop with the Sweet content, think again. The driving force of this and many other issues like gay rights comes directly from right-wing christian fundamentalists in a position of authority and they will not stop untill everyone's rights are revoked when it comes to any issues that they feel is harmful to the community of "purity" they are trying to create. Yes, Einstein, that means that all porn is next. SO go ahead and start chewing down on the guys that are fighting for your rights. See how many of us are left standing when they have finished what they have started. Divide and conquer. Thats the name of the game. And the worst is that they dont have to lift a finger, they _know_ that if they attack one, the rest will get scared and start to attack their own. They just have to sit back and watch us implode.

Well, one thing is for sure, I was born free, and I will continue to be free, and if it means that I have to work at it, then so be it. And if you want to stick your head back up your ass and wait till that's all there is left, thats your deal. Just dont expect respect from me.

Judas Sweet.

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Did SEG ever once think about the individuals and other companies they were jeopardizing because of their incessant need to break the law? This is a company that put its business partners - other webmasters - at great risk.


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I don't think you should be blaming your choice of business on anyone but yourself. Your trying to make yourself out to be a Flower shop, when you are really just a porn peddler like the rest of us. Sorry to break it to you, but your shit stinks too. If you wanted low-risk, stick to Royal Bank Balanced Funds. Not commodities.


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Ours is not so bad so long as they keep me away from the camera.

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I do not know how the law is in Canada, but in England a bunch of Gays were prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned for shooting private BDSM videos. The charge was assault and the prosecution successfully argued you cannot give your consent to be assaulted.

If they were raided last year and charges were dropped be sure the police have stronger case this time and if it goes to court the prosecution is just going to show the jury their films. Then produce a few girls who say they did not expect it to go that far.

I also heard that they would only pay a model if she completed X number of scenes and did not fully explain what was involved until they started shooting.

You can bet your bottom $$ that the police are now going through the films and documents to find more girls to stand up in court.

But I say again the problem is for their clients who have their content. If it?s ruled to be obscene/illegal they are also guilty by producing it.

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TheDoc

Half you guys are fucking stupid. Just 10 years ago the US gov was busting people left and right for hardcore porn. Just male/female action that got a little to hard but was still very safe for both.

Hustler many years back was considered EVIL because he showed the first Interracial shots, midgets, black lesbians, and even HARDCORE BDSM.

Because of Flint and many other companies we have hardcore porn now and the comunity standards have been raised.

My question is what gives YOU the right to judge what a person can look at. What gives you the right to choose what fetish a person likes.

Every single fetish other than real CP an death shit should be legal. It's your RIGHT as a human to look at whatever the fuck you want.


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As for the laws in Canada, read up. Creating hardcore BDSM is "NOT" illegal to produce within Canada. It is illegal to IMPORTANT any type of content where a girl looks to be in any type of pain but it's NOT illegal to export it.

Just like in the United States it's ILLEGAL to import hardcore porn videos. It happens, they don't inforce it but they could if they wanted to and they HAVE.

From what it sounds like the police are trying to get them for something 'illegal' based on what a model says.

The HARDCORE BDSM you guys keep talking about is a very easy issue and the sweets are NOT the first company to go through this same issue.

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If you want to know 90% of the HARDCORE sites located (even if you live outside the us) are ILLEGAL. Even MOST the people that shoot photo content shoot it in ILLLEGAL places. Only a few states have laws that allow content to be shot in some areas of the cities.

Hell in Texas it's illegal to own 6 or more dildos. If you have more you are brought up on charges to distribute illegal items.

Most states GAY actions are illegal as well as stimulation to your private areas.

You say they are pushing the limits but if you live in the states YOU are pushing the limit just by OWNING an adult site and working OUTSIDE a permited area of some cities. It was only once Clinton took office did companies finally start to produce more hardcore content. Which is why the INTERNET went BOOM.

Learn some before you open your traps. Without people pushing the limits in history we would still be sitting in fucking caves bashing our bitches over the heads with clubs.

What get's me is the 'MORAL VALUES' people bring up. Excuse me, don't you work in the fucking porn business?

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Reminds me of my buddy,The cops actually busted him and took his computer,modem.They claimed he accesssed child porn,but what happened somebody used his credit card # and purchased a membership to some kiddie shit.He swears he only had a membership to a normal site.He wound up without a computer, for about a month and wound up paying 1 k to a lawyer.Needless to say the cops found nothing.Just makes you kinda worried running any type of site that the RCMP will kick down your door and bust you because they have a suspicion.

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Corrct me if I am wrong ... but aren't blow jobs and anal sex illegal in many States in the US?

Do you promote or use any of this type of content?

Anyone who hasn't figured out that if the Sweet's lose we are all going to be in a world of shit. If you think that the investigation is going to be limited just to Canada and that the US FEEBS aren't going to get involved you are making a big mistake.

This is going to be more about community standards and our ability to promote what is legal in our community though not somewhere else.

It isn't going to start that way...but I'd bet dimes to dollars that it will by the end.

PaulSweet

You're right bigman because I'm not legally allowed to talk about these points at this point in time. But the day will come when I can and we'll go over all this again......

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MrPopup

The content you produce in your BC studios is illegal.

Breaking the law is bad for the entire business.

I can't wait to see how "cool" the judge thinks the Sweet family is in this matter. Maybe you can sway him by bringing him to one of those "private" parties the Sweet's have a reputation for in this city. Think he'll use that special wall with the hole in it?

Bottom line is SEG got greedy and felt they were above the law. You have a horrible reputation on the street, and now it is extended to a bad rep in the industry. You have brought undue and biased media focus on all facets of the business because of your greed and lack of respect for the law.

You're right when the media only tells half the truth. But the part they got right is that SEG has been in trouble for some time now, and this wasnt an ordinary bust.

The people who are sticking up for you are doing so because they arent privy to the political, legal, social, and economic climate of this city - of which you will be made a scapegoat, but for legitimate reasons.

MrPopup

Ha.... Finally taking the right advice and not talking.

You can bet this thread will make it into the court transcript.

JimmyReject

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PaulSweet

MrPopup this just proves you talk out of your Ass. For someone who claims to know so much you don't even know who we are.

We don't throw private parties with glory holes....you are thinking of another Vancouver company entirely (Go speak to Mr. Shaw about that one, the guy who spent so much time bitching in this thread). In fact we don't hold private parties at all.

The only event we have is WestCoast Webmasters, which is well promoted and many people from GFY have attended over the years. The purpose of this event is to have some educational seminars for webmasters, and to help webmasters conduct business, esp here in the North West. There are no "sex shows" organized by the SEG staff - those events were all organized by other companies Privately.

I don't know what your beef with us is exactly besides the fact that you feel we've jepardized your business somehow - but we shoot content we believe in. That's it and thats all I have to say about it. If the heat of being in the Porn biz is too hot for you, leave. Because its only going to get hotter at the global level in the years to come....

And nothing we have done has been proven Illegal - once again out of the 1000s of CDs and 100s of computers that have been examined....only 3 scenes of one series have been called into question at this time.. THATS IT. Please read this again and work on comprehending it.....

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evildick

How do you know if their content is illegal?

Have you read the updated Canada.com article where the police admit they were really looking for evidence of torture?

According to the article, they found none, and admitted SEG appeared to be running a professional setup, with all the required paperwork.

Instead of ending a year long investigation with nothing, they decided to charge them with 3 counts of obscenity after searching through their offices. Have they been convicted of those charges yet? No.

So only 3 specific instances of what the police deem to be obscenity in all of SEG's content? Seems like there should be more if they were running such a blatantly illegal operation.

Did you know that the police were tipped off by some guy named "Vinnie" in the UK that SEG were involved in torture?

What happened to the model that supposedly came forward saying she had been tortured/raped? Do you think maybe the police figured out she was a crack whore looking for a meal ticket? if not, why have they not been charged with something?

This is obviously a witch hunt.

MrPopup

You sir are incredibly ignorant and arrogant at the same time. I for one hope this entire thread is used to educate webmasters how NOT TO ACT.

On this one, I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong - but only because I'm relying on my memory. I seem to remember a thread with pictures from the WEST COAST WEB MASTERS event with some pretty fucking outrageous pics. Might have been a "glory hole", maybe not - However, the images were taken down almost as soon as they went up so I can no longer offer this proof.

Originally posted by PaulSweet: "but we shoot content we believe in. That's it and thats all I have to say about it. If the heat of being in the Porn biz is too hot for you, leave. Because its only going to get hotter at the global level in the years to come...."

You still refuse to acknowledge the jeopardy you placed thousands of webmasters in, not to mention the shit your company caused in the local industry by continuing to be as brash and cocky as ever. And it makes me howl with laughter as you continue to stick your foot in your mouth every time you say "we were only charged with three counts of obscenity"... SO if you are admitting that you may have done something illegal...or at least admitting the police are suggesting you have done something illegal...how can you even stand up for your content? YOU ARE SELLING WEBMASTERS ILLEGAL CONTENT. By doing so, and circuitously admitting to it, you are owning up to the FACT that you dont give a fuck about your webmasters. Thats the worst part of your WHOLE operation and the very reason I object to your organizations whole defensive stance in this matter.

Courtesy SweetLoads.com, an SEG flagship property:


What you publish is hate...pure and simple. Simulated rape propogates hatred and violence toward women. Section 319 of the Criminal Code says the wilful promotion of hatred is a crime punishable by up to two years in jail. Of course, it'll take years of courtroom squabbling to get that properly defined so I don't doubt that you and your lawyers will squeak away from that one.

I'm just trying to ensure the survival of this industry. When an organization continues to operate outside of legal limits of the law, they cause harm to individuals who wish to operate within the law. When sexual predators continue to abuse women in the manner you and your "sweet family" does, it gives a reason for right wing organizations and the crazy religious groups to begin attacking pornography and erotica again.

Ultimately the SWEET defense is embarassing at best, pathetic at worst. The transparent notion that you guys are a bunch of renegade crusaders for free speech and revised technology laws in Canada is clearly a joke once you encounter the first sweet site.

Your success in this industry is not because you are some unique groundbreakers - nope, you are just greedy - and you've proven nothing to anyone interested in maintaining some sort of integrity in this industry. Who knows, maybe I'm a lone voice on this one...
but I dont care because I know what I hear on the streets and in the bizness...the local webmaster trade hates you (unless of course they're pimping your illegal product), and your talent hates you.....thats evidence enough for me of your supposed ethics that you try to portray at the western webmasters shows.

Ethics, honesty, and trust are the most valued assets a business IN ANY INDUSTRY can have. Your statement: "If the heat of being in the Porn biz is too hot for you, leave." indicates to me that these principles do not exist within your company. Its typical bully talk by people who know they have done something wrong (and in this case ILLEGAL), but can't find anything valid to say. It translates to "Yeah, we make money, so we are legitimate. We make more money then you so we must be more legitimate. You couldn't possibly know what you are talking about"

So in summary, I have no beef with anyone in the Sweet family. I do on the other hand wish to see legitimate honest companies continue to do well and operate within the law. I also wish that FOR ONCE people would begin to see that the only way to ensure the survival of this bizness is to weed the bad apples out.

evildick

"And it makes me howl with laughter as you continue to stick your foot in your mouth every time you say "we were only charged with three counts of obscenity"... SO if you are admitting that you may have done something illegal...or at least admitting the police are suggesting you have done something illegal...how can you even stand up for your content?"


Do you think the police are going to walk away from a year long investigation into unfounded torture accusations without charging SEG with something in the hopes that it would stick?

Especially since they have totally disrupted their business and spent hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars on this investigation.

You think police don't make mistakes or try to cover things up when they fuck up?

There is a local case where they exercised a search warrant on a house they thought was a drug house, they busted in and killed the person's dog. Turns out they had the wrong house. Now they are trying to keep this lady's lawyer from obtaining information about the case.

Police fuck up all the time, and when they do, they would prefer to come out smelling like a rose just like anyone else. They're not going to walk away from a case like this without pressing charges even if they know they are unfounded.

iwantchixx

"You have brought undue and biased media focus on all facets of the business because of your greed and lack of respect for the law."

If you have done nothing wrong, let the media focus on your bussiness because nothing will happen to you. If anything all the media hype may make bussiness better. It will help bleed out any illegal sites/content so it is safer for us to buy content and safer for surfers trying to find a site that isn't illegal. Also, media coverage of the adult industry will promote more customers as I see it. Think about it. When OJ was charged everyone was paying attention to him, and during this whole thing everyone wanted OJ t-shirts, mugs, etc etc. This is a good thing. Too bad it may ruin the Sweet Family's buisiness and reputation, but if infact they were breaking the law, thats the bed they made... so now they got to lie in it. If anything, this whole ordeal will make us all pay more attention to federal and local laws regarding the adult industry. I'm prolly wrong to say this but, I'm glad the Sweet Brothers got busted for the reason that it will put more law enforcement attention on the illegal sites and content. Legit law abiding adult biz's will stand up strong and benefit from all this shit.

Paul Markham

iwantchixx

A lot of sense in so few words.

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missnglnk

Regardless of whether you've done anything wrong or not. Media spin can be very damaging publicity to anything and anyone. All it takes is a reporter looking for revenge or fame by 'standing up for morals' and talking bad about the industry.

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