Tubekiller Treaty! Who thinks it will pass?

[Adam X]

I don't think this will pass before major restructuring.. much like the health bill.

But this will mean BIG changes if it does. Down go the tubes. Your thoughts?

From XBiz

WASHINGTON ? The text of a new anti-counterfeiting treaty being considered by the Obama administration has alarmed digital freedom advocates, but it might satisfy anyone who hates tube sites.

To date, President Obama has kept the specifics of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) under wraps because of ?national security? concerns. But someone leaked the text of the document, which points to a online future where sites like YouTube, Flickr and Blogger can?t exist.

The sixth round of negotiations over the treaty are being held in Seoul, South Korea, through today.

Some of the treaty?s specific provisions include:

* Internet service providers will be required to actively police copyrights on user-generated material, and they?ll be held responsible for copyrighted material found on their servers.
* If an ISP discovers a copyright infringer, they?ll be required to cut off that user?s Internet access or face liability. This provision currently includes no way for a user to contest the action. According to some online reports, ISPs alone will determine what constitutes offending behavior. Users will get three strikes before facing any consequences.
* According to the new treaty, the whole world will have to follow the United States? lead in how to enforce copyright. Meaning that users will be able to tell someone they?re violating their copyright, and that person will have to take down the material in question.
* The new treaty also includes stronger language banning the practice of breaking digital-rights management (DRM) software.

Online pundits have decried the treaty?s language as a deathknell to a free Internet.

?It will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability,? said Cory Doctorow of BoingBoing.net.

But David Kravets of Wired.com?s Threat Level website, which offers commentary on Internet privacy issues, said that the authenticity of the document had yet to be confirmed, but at the same time, he suggested that Obama administration has been secretly supporting the treaty?s provisions all along.

?Obama hasn?t asked Congress to implement a three-strike policy, which could anger consumers and watchdog groups,? Kravets said. ?But if the administration gets three strikes written into ACTA, and the United States signs and ratifies the treaty, Congress would be obliged to change the [Digital Millenium Copyright Act] to comply with it, while the administration throws its hands in the air and says, ?It wasn?t our idea! It?s that damn treaty.??

Kravets later added, ?It seems the executive branch would rather negotiate with other nations, instead of its own elected officials, about the future of a free and open Internet.?

[NewbieNudes]

Interesting

[L-Pink]

What's so hard to understand?

Copyright is a form of intellectual property that gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation.

If you don't like that create something of your own. Pretty simple.

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[brassmonkey]

thats what we need more government control

[NoWhErE]

Sounds good to me, although guys like Youtube will take a big hit, it should really help our industry in the long run.

[Bman]

Should be interesting...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

thats what we need more government control

Government control or enforcement of important existing laws.


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[Nautilus]

Wow TubeKiller treaty, is that the official name? We need it signed tomorrow.

[MIDDLE CLASS BLACK MAN]

us laws dont mean shit if you're not in the us


yo

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Sounds good to me, although guys like Youtube will take a big hit, it should really help our industry in the long run.

Not going to drop a tear if youtube will go down the tubes because of this treaty. I can go on living just fine without this pile of "dog running on a scateboard" videos, if we have our pre-tubes profits back.

[Dirty Dane]

It will not kill tubes, but it will limit infringements on tubes.

[Adam X]

actual title of article on xbiz today is

New Internet Treaty Alarms Online Freedom Advocates

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Sounds good to me, although guys like Youtube will take a big hit, it should really help our industry in the long run.

I sense some politicians buy outs will come, and a watered down bill if this ever passes.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Sounds good to me, although guys like Youtube will take a big hit, it should really help our industry in the long run.

thats because you are an uneducated idiot...

this would be the start of a govt controlled internet..

sometimes the quick fix isnt worth the end result...

[Adam X]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

thats because you are an uneducated idiot...

this would be the start of a govt controlled internet..

sometimes the quick fix isnt worth the end result...

agreed.. too big a clamp on everyone.. whats next, 2257 docs required for all user generated submissions? fuck that...

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Adam X

agreed.. too big a clamp on everyone.. whats next, 2257 docs required for all user generated submissions? fuck that...

Thats kind of the way 2257 was looked at when it first appeared. I remember some of the swinger sites pulled all pics with sexual activity in them.

[Dirty Dane]

People are so negative and paranoia. I think this could actually be great for the internet. Instead of millions of zombies just leeching and stealing off each other, yelling and fighting, it could turn into a more creative, motivating and decentralized internet where people actually express and show their own thoughts and work. For instance, when some people are "blogging", all they think of is if Google Empire will punish you for duplicating. That's kind of sad, really.

[okny]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

thats what we need more government control

We get more government control most of us we will be looking for another industry, the more they step in the less you will make.

[okny]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

thats because you are an uneducated idiot...

this would be the start of a govt controlled internet..

sometimes the quick fix isnt worth the end result...

People don't act, they just wait for a bigger power come and take action. I totally agree with you and most them don't even know what they are asking for.

[cosis]

Originally Posted by MIDDLE CLASS BLACK MAN

us laws dont mean shit if you're not in the us


yo

* According to the new treaty, the whole world will have to follow the United States? lead in how to enforce copyright. Meaning that users will be able to tell someone they?re violating their copyright, and that person will have to take down the material in question.
* The new treaty also includes stronger language banning the practice of breaking digital-rights management (DRM) software.

[tiger]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

Wow TubeKiller treaty, is that the official name? We need it signed tomorrow.

Be careful what you ask for. They pass laws and have a nasty habit of abusing them and enforcing them in ways they were never intended when they were passed.

[Jack Sparrow]

Wasnt this posted yesterday too?

When can we expect the O'meister to start yelling "IBLAMETUBES.com" for everything that fails?

[baddog]

How is an ISP supposed to know if someone has a license for the content they have up?

[Adam X]

Originally Posted by baddog

How is an ISP supposed to know if someone has a license for the content they have up?

good question

the article mentions that someone first has to complain... then I suppose docs will need to be presented by the site.. if nothing, they get a strike. Don't know how this would ever work with user-generated content in general.

[Davy]

Nice to finally see a pro-copyright governmental movement.
They could of course just abolish the DMCA...

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

What's so hard to understand?

Copyright is a form of intellectual property that gives the author of an original work exclusive right for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation.

If you don't like that create something of your own. Pretty simple.

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i suggest you reread the copyright act because it has never been an absolute monopoly

Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:
(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;
(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;
(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;
(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pan-tomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copy-righted work publicly; and
(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

[Les Grossman]

Outside of the USA, it doesn't mean anything.

Anyone thief with 1/2 a brain has alrady moved their servers to another country.

[Jack Sparrow]

A lot of talk about something that wont be done.

Waste of time if you ask me.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Les Grossman

Outside of the USA, it doesn't mean anything.

Anyone thief with 1/2 a brain has alrady moved their servers to another country.

where your servers are doesn't mean shit, it's where you are that matters not your servers or your corporations.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Les Grossman

Outside of the USA, it doesn't mean anything.

Anyone thief with 1/2 a brain has alrady moved their servers to another country.

I don't think you read what is being said...It's a TREATY to be signed by nations all around the world. Not just a US law.

[Agent 488]

governments are broke and there is too much tax revenue being lost.

this isn't some megacorp suing some torrent user. when the government says it's the end, it will be the end.