Capital Punishment - for it or against it?

[xxxjay]

Personally, I'm against it.

[xxxjay]

wow suprised to the the against it winning...people here might have more brains than i think

[96ukssob]

im for it. scaring people will keep them in line.

criminals aren't that afraid of killing and robbing people because they can tough it out in jail. however, if they risk having an arm cut off for stealing, or castrated for rape, they would think twice

[seeric]

depends on the circumstances.

if some douchebag brutally rapes and kills a child, dismembers her, he needs to leave the planet without a beating heart by the hand of man.

i suppose there is an argument for any perspective, but thats mine and i'm sticking to it.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by bossku69

im for it. scaring people will keep them in line.

criminals aren't that afraid of killing and robbing people because they can tough it out in jail. however, if they risk having an arm cut off for stealing, or castrated for rape, they would think twice

I don't think that is true at all.

[ShellyCrash]

I don't think you should judge someone's intelligence based on their stance on this issue.

When someone kills someone you love in cold blood and prison life doesn't seem to bother them, you may feel differently.

[bronco67]

I have nothing against seeing a murderer get fried. I say we should stack 'em 20 high on the fuckin chair and throw the switch. So, no moral objections.

Fiscally, it's not really sound. Most of the inmates lined up to die sit on death row for years, sucking taxpayer dollars, so its just a waste of money.

Also, its not really a deterrent. Does anyone think some asshole will not shoot a grocery store clerk because they think they might get the electric chair?

[kane]

I'm against it not from a moral standpoint but a practicality standpoint. It costs more to put someone to death than it does to put them in jail for life and it clogs up the legal system so I say we just do away with it for good. It doesn't work. It isn't a deterrent and all it is doing is costing us money.

[SleazyDream]

i'm for it but with a LONG and lengthy process to have it enacted and only for

a. more than one murder with decreasing wait time till death on every additional murder
b. repeat child molesters for kids under 12

Originally Posted by kane

I'm against it not from a moral standpoint but a practicality standpoint. It costs more to put someone to death than it does to put them in jail for life and it clogs up the legal system so I say we just do away with it for good. It doesn't work. It isn't a deterrent and all it is doing is costing us money.

When did a single bullet, and 10 minutes of 1 persons time cost over $32k?

Last year, they said it costs $32,952.20 just to house 1 inmate per year... 1 bullet costs pennies, and you can pay a guy $1k to put that bullet in the mother fuckers head... Save thousands of dollars a year, per inmate.

[Spunky]

Hang all the rapists,child molesters and murderers.that scum shouldn't be living off the taxpayers

[marcop]

I'm against it, but if executions are carried out I'd like to see them televised.

[marcop]

I don't know if anyone saw this New Yorker article from a few weeks ago: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all ?

It's a sad and frightening story. The governor of Texas is trying to hamstring a state commission charged with investigating this probable miscarriage of justice.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

When did a single bullet, and 10 minutes of 1 persons time cost over $32k?

Last year, they said it costs $32,952.20 just to house 1 inmate per year... 1 bullet costs pennies, and you can pay a guy $1k to put that bullet in the mother fuckers head... Save thousands of dollars a year, per inmate.

That is a fantastic idea until it is you getting the bullet put into your head for a crime you didn't commit, but were found guilty of because the eye witness wrongly identified you and the prosecution was able to keep the DNA evidence that proves your innocence out of the case.

Originally Posted by kane

That is a fantastic idea until it is you getting the bullet put into your head for a crime you didn't commit, but were found guilty of because the eye witness wrongly identified you and the prosecution was able to keep the DNA evidence that proves your innocence out of the case.

For every case like that, there are 100's that are real murders and shit living off our tax dollars enjoying 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment, and outside time, while us tax payers get fucked in the ass, lose our houses, and cars because we can't afford to pay them anymore, and also starve...

Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...

[BFT3K]

Death To The Extremists!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I don't think that is true at all.

Seems to work in places like Saudi Arabia.

[StickyGreen]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[The Demon]

Definitely for it and haven't heard anything resembling an argument against it.

Just to clarify, anything constitute as capital murder, or premeditated murder, as well as rape and murder, all deserve death.

I hope there aren't any whiny liberals with the "who are we to put someone to death" approach, because that nonsense has been debunked a million times.

[psili]

Maybe I'm living in some fantasy world, but doesn't a death-row convict cost more money than just keeping him locked behind bars?

Originally Posted by Killswitch

For every case like that, there are 100's that are real murders and shit living off our tax dollars enjoying 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment, and outside time, while us tax payers get fucked in the ass, lose our houses, and cars because we can't afford to pay them anymore, and also starve...

Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...

Edit** I'm for chopping off hands and feet of spammers and dropping them in shark-infested waters, so maybe I'm biased toward regular criminals.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

For every case like that, there are 100's that are real murders and shit living off our tax dollars enjoying 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment, and outside time, while us tax payers get fucked in the ass, lose our houses, and cars because we can't afford to pay them anymore, and also starve...

Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...

I don't disagree that for every one innocent person that is executed there are hundreds that are legit murderers and rapists. But the question is what is the number? How many innocent people should have to die in order for us to have a death penalty? And would you feel the same if it was you or a family member that was wrongly put to death.

If you are wrongly accused of a crime and sentenced to death are you just going to shrug and say, "well, I guess I will take it for the team?"

[kane]

Originally Posted by psili

Maybe I'm living in some fantasy world, but doesn't a death-row convict cost more money than just keeping him locked behind bars?




Edit** I'm for chopping off hands and feet of spammers and dropping them in shark-infested waters, so maybe I'm biased toward regular criminals.

The main reason it costs more to put someone to death is all the legal wrangling that goes on. The death penalty is very much a political tool and since most DA's and judges in this country are elected, they want to push it to make it look like they are tough on crime.

When they seek the death penalty on someone there will be years of legal proceedings that will take place before that person is put to death and those get very expensive very quickly.

[kane]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Definitely for it and haven't heard anything resembling an argument against it.

Just to clarify, anything constitute as capital murder, or premeditated murder, as well as rape and murder, all deserve death.

I hope there aren't any whiny liberals with the "who are we to put someone to death" approach, because that nonsense has been debunked a million times.

How about the argument that it doesn't work as a deterrent? I have never seen any proof that any state with the death penalty has any lower rate of capitol crimes than any state without it. For that matter most of the states with the death penalty actually have a higher rate of capitol crimes than those without it.

[american pervert]

I'm for it when there is no doubt of guilt. like someone sees you raping grandmas you just killed and beheaded.

but i say lets bring back corporal punishment. get all the non violent out of jail.

we need to lock up people we are scared of, not that we are mad at.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by kane

How about the argument that it doesn't work as a deterrent? I have never seen any proof that any state with the death penalty has any lower rate of capitol crimes than any state without it. For that matter most of the states with the death penalty actually have a higher rate of capitol crimes than those without it.

No, this one fails as well because the death penalty itself isn't the problem for capital punishment not being a deterrent, but the process to death itself. Lengthy appeals, pardons, etc.

If our government were to stipulate that from now on, murders occuring on mondays and wednesday will receive 20 years in prison while murders occuring on tuesdays and thursdays will get death within a year, I guarantee you murders on tuesday and thursday will be ridiculously less than murders on monday and wednesday.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by american pervert

I'm for it when there is no doubt of guilt. like someone sees you raping grandmas you just killed and beheaded.

but i say lets bring back corporal punishment. get all the non violent out of jail.

we need to lock up people we are scared of, not that we are mad at.

Rofl, so if someone who's a skinny nerd kills someone you know, we shouldn't lock them up because you're mad at them? This is hilarious. We should lock up those who pose a threat to society, and kill those who don't deserve to live after committing their crimes.

[kane]

Originally Posted by The Demon

No, this one fails as well because the death penalty itself isn't the problem for capital punishment not being a deterrent, but the process to death itself. Lengthy appeals, pardons, etc.

If our government were to stipulate that from now on, murders occuring on mondays and wednesday will receive 20 years in prison while murders occuring on tuesdays and thursdays will get death within a year, I guarantee you murders on tuesday and thursday will be ridiculously less than murders on monday and wednesday.

Then we go back to the issue that I am against. If we are going to put people to death we need to make sure that they are guilty even if we expedite it and make it happen within a year of them being arrested. Until they take politics out of the death penalty and all they care about is making sure they get the right guy then we are going to end up locked in that merry go round of legal garbage and all of that costs a ton of money.

When you get away from the legal system then you risk killing innocent people. I know that there no perfect system, but I don't think we need a system where we know that we are sometimes putting innocent people to death all in the name of speedy kills so we can deter people from committing capitol crimes.

Also, I don't buy your analogy either. Look at the numbers. On average states that have no death penalty have a lower rate of capitol crimes than those that have the death penalty. That is simple fact. They have no deterrent of death to keep people from committing these crimes, yet somehow the rates of those crimes is lower. Why is that?

[kane]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Rofl, so if someone who's a skinny nerd kills someone you know, we shouldn't lock them up because you're mad at them? This is hilarious. We should lock up those who pose a threat to society, and kill those who don't deserve to live after committing their crimes.

I think his point is that we should lock up violent criminals, but if a guy doesn't pay his taxes or a guy sells some weed, maybe he shouldn't be in jail and we come up with some other form of punishment.

[brassmonkey]

i think the family should have first shot yes im for it im guessing u never had a loved 1 killed i have

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...

I did 6 months in prison, I still have nightmares about it. Do even half that much and reconsider what you just said.

[OY]

Originally Posted by baddog

Seems to work in places like Saudi Arabia.

RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported on Tuesday.

The convict was arrested earlier this year after a seven-year old boy helped police in their investigation. The child left in the desert after the rape was three years old, Okaz newspaper said.

International rights groups have accused the kingdom, the birthplace of Islam, of applying draconian justice, beheading murderers, rapists and drug traffickers in public. So far this year about 40 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia.

In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means tying the body of the convict to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after beheading.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

I did 6 months in prison, I still have nightmares about it. Do even half that much and reconsider what you just said.

u mean prison not county right

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Rofl, so if someone who's a skinny nerd kills someone you know, we shouldn't lock them up because you're mad at them? This is hilarious. We should lock up those who pose a threat to society, and kill those who don't deserve to live after committing their crimes.

are you a tard?

murder = jail for sure and by scared of i mean, has committed a violent act.

no need to have drug addicts and theives in jail. beat the shit out of them and send them home. seems to work in singapore pretty well, but they tend to kill non violent ppl too.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Oystein

RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported on Tuesday.

The convict was arrested earlier this year after a seven-year old boy helped police in their investigation. The child left in the desert after the rape was three years old, Okaz newspaper said.

International rights groups have accused the kingdom, the birthplace of Islam, of applying draconian justice, beheading murderers, rapists and drug traffickers in public. So far this year about 40 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia.

In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means tying the body of the convict to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after beheading.

I like their style. I had some friends stationed there for a year or so (airlines). They got pushed to the front of the crowd for a beheading. People wanted them to see Islamic justice.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by american pervert

are you a tard?

murder = jail for sure and by scared of i mean, has committed a violent act.

no need to have drug addicts and theives in jail. beat the shit out of them and send them home. seems to work in singapore pretty well, but they tend to kill non violent ppl too.

Did you even read what I said? Before calling me a tard, make sure you don't embarrass yourself with your poor reading comprehension skills.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by kane

Then we go back to the issue that I am against. If we are going to put people to death we need to make sure that they are guilty even if we expedite it and make it happen within a year of them being arrested. Until they take politics out of the death penalty and all they care about is making sure they get the right guy then we are going to end up locked in that merry go round of legal garbage and all of that costs a ton of money.

Yes I agree, the problem is with the system of capital punishment, not capital punishment itself.

When you get away from the legal system then you risk killing innocent people. I know that there no perfect system, but I don't think we need a system where we know that we are sometimes putting innocent people to death all in the name of speedy kills so we can deter people from committing capitol crimes.

Right, but I think it's also a travesty if we let capital murderers live. It's a blatant insult against the victim and his family.

Also, I don't buy your analogy either. Look at the numbers. On average states that have no death penalty have a lower rate of capitol crimes than those that have the death penalty. That is simple fact. They have no deterrent of death to keep people from committing these crimes, yet somehow the rates of those crimes is lower. Why is that?

Heard this argument before. There's NO causation and almost no correlation between the numbers. They have nothing to do with the death penalty. The numbers don't even make sense if you try to correlate them. The analogy works because the system for capital punishment is faulty.

[Fletch XXX]

kill everyone. especially pornographers and pot smokers

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Did you even read what I said? Before calling me a tard, make sure you don't embarrass yourself with your poor reading comprehension skills.

when i scared of something it had nothing to do with what someone physically looks like.

and if some skinny geek shot my friend, maybe i would worry, weren't those columbine teens future gfyers.

so yes, you are still tarded.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by american pervert

when i scared of something it had nothing to do with what someone physically looks like.

and if some skinny geek shot my friend, maybe i would worry, weren't those columbine teens future gfyers.

so yes, you are still tarded.

I rest my case.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i'm for it but with a LONG and lengthy process to have it enacted and only for

a. more than one murder with decreasing wait time till death on every additional murder
b. repeat child molesters for kids under 12

brb molesting and raping 19 13 year olds.

[xNetworx]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

For every case like that, there are 100's that are real murders and shit living off our tax dollars enjoying 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, entertainment, and outside time, while us tax payers get fucked in the ass, lose our houses, and cars because we can't afford to pay them anymore, and also starve...

Sometimes it just seems easier murdering someone just so you can live your life and not worry about waking up in a ditch starving and cold...

.... if you like Man Ass

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by Killswitch

When did a single bullet, and 10 minutes of 1 persons time cost over $32k?

Last year, they said it costs $32,952.20 just to house 1 inmate per year... 1 bullet costs pennies, and you can pay a guy $1k to put that bullet in the mother fuckers head... Save thousands of dollars a year, per inmate.

Pay a guy to shoot a murderer or child molester? I would pay to have the privilege of being an executioner.

I have a solution for the national debt. Raffle off chances to be the one to kill a serial killer or child molester. I'd kick in $100 or so a week to buy tickets. Then you could make the spectacle a pay per view television event with DVD sales to follow. You could sell hats and t-shirts too. We'd have the economy and justice system fixed in a few years.

[Matt 26z]

I support it, but there is no doubt that innocent people have been executed.

We need to have seperate standards of guilt that are tougher than "beyond a reasonable doubt" for there to be an execution. There needs to be 100% undeniable proof. When there is that kind of evidence, I do not believe there should even be an appeals process. Just take the killer into a room next door after the ruling and get it over with right then.

We also need to expand what crimes are eligible for death. For instance if a drunk driver with a dozen DUI arrests finally kills someone, they should be executed.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Pay a guy to shoot a murderer or child molester? I would pay to have the privilege of being an executioner.

I have a solution for the national debt. Raffle off chances to be the one to kill a serial killer or child molester. I'd kick in $100 or so a week to buy tickets. Then you could make the spectacle a pay per view television event with DVD sales to follow. You could sell hats and t-shirts too. We'd have the economy and justice system fixed in a few years.

Idiocracy already thought of this.

[TurboAngel]

I'm for it.

[cwd]

No, I am against it and here is why. I want them to suffer, and giving them death is too quick in my book. No, I want them to suffer. Bring back the chain gang. I want them breaking rocks, cutting trees, picking up garbage on the side of the road...all fricken day long, every single day, for the rest of their lives. No fucking TV, no lifting weights, NOTHING for them to look forward to. And only enough food and water so they can keep working. And I want them working in an area where they can see cars of people on their way to work or home, so they are reminded every day of what they are missing. Plus, it gives others a chance to see what they will be doing for the rest of their lives if they commit a crime like that. I want them to suffer...

[Poindexterity]

i voted against, but i need to qualify that by saying:
if the system didn't convict so many innocent people, i'd be all for it. burn the weeds to make room for the trees, i say.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I rest my case.

no you don't

if we ever meet i will tell you you are tarded too.



one order coming up!

[CDSmith]

I support it only for those certain cases of serial rape/murder where there is zero doubt the person did it. Zero, as in none. The Dahmers and Pictons and Bernardos of the world really don't deserve to breath air and eat food like the rest of us.

For me it's not about it being a deterrent either, but more about ridding society of the worst scum imagineable and making sure that that scum has zero chance of doing what they did ever again.

It's easy to oppose the death penalty until it's your own kid or your own wife, parent, brother, sister etc that was horribly murdered, raped and killed, mutilated etc by some sick whacko. Personally I feel sorry for the families of such victims, who have to live the rest of their lives knowing their loved one's killer is alive and has the possibility of finding even the least little enjoyment of life while in prison. No north American prison is harsh enough for these specific criminals.

In Canada, for someone like Paul Bernardo and his nutjob girlfriend I'd have gladly pushed the plunger on the syringe personally. We are way too soft on scum here.

[Tom_PM]

Just think of those words your dear relatives said to you in comfort at your loved ones funerals, and remember that someone will be saying those same words about the person killed by death penalty.

He's in a better place where there is no more pain, no more suffering. He's finally free.

What about "closure"? Yeah point us to all those wonderful tales of how closure made someones life complete again. I'm sure those links will come pouring in.