Google Pagerank Update 12/31/2009 - GoFuckYourself.com

fpforum · 12-31-2009, 01:22 AM

Looks like google has just updated pagerank. I've checked numerous sites and noticed the update. Incase you haven't looked..give your sites a check

grumpy · 12-31-2009, 01:27 AM

pr doesnt say shit

fpforum · 12-31-2009, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy

pr doesnt say shit

FYI: If you're selling links it does.

EscortBiz · 12-31-2009, 01:31 AM

they sure did update, but at same time they dont really use that much to determine your place in SE so whats the big point now

most will notice that if their domain is older they got a good bump up even if you dont have much new incoming

Spankys Teens · 12-31-2009, 01:31 AM

Yeah i lost some pagerank and like grumpy said"PR doesn't say shit" + actually i don't give a flying fuck

madawgz · 12-31-2009, 02:12 AM

sweet, got some good ones

tiger · 12-31-2009, 02:16 AM

I thought they were supposed to kill PR about a year ago.

Agent 488 · 12-31-2009, 02:18 AM

yeah pr doesn't matter give me 1000 links from pr 7 sites you take 1000 from pr 0 sites let me know how that works out for you.

Carcotas · 12-31-2009, 02:28 AM

In my opinion PR dosen`t help in SERP, so even if you have PR 5-6 you will not be on the 1st postion.PR will help you if you want to sell backlinks like other directories or website ;)

asianseekerz · 12-31-2009, 02:43 AM

ummmmmmm grrrrrr

bns666 · 12-31-2009, 03:17 AM

yeah noticed that, got some, lost some...

SRT8 · 12-31-2009, 03:53 AM

hells yea domain not even 3 months old from pr0 to pr2

wizzart · 12-31-2009, 05:54 AM

All my sites show PR N/A , so update is in progress

Matyko · 12-31-2009, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SRT8

hells yea domain not even 3 months old from pr0 to pr2

same here

grumpy · 12-31-2009, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpforum

FYI: If you're selling links it does.

if you buy links based on pr you dont know what your doing

Iron Fist · 12-31-2009, 08:18 AM

PR is just a way for inexperienced webmasters to jerk themselves off thinking they have a site worth selling. There is obviously more than enough suckers out there who believe the hype unfortunately.

I have plenty of PR0 sites that makes me more than enough sales to justify the reg fee/hosting... PR means nothing.

Agent 488 · 12-31-2009, 10:03 AM

typical dum-dum responses. i love these threads.

Jdoughs · 12-31-2009, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy

if you buy links based on pr you dont know what your doing

Just to elaborate.

- if you buy links based on pr you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on alexa you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on traffic you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on backlinks you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on domain age you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on archive history you don't know what you're doing

But if you have a clue, you use a combination of such things to deduce what is a quality link and what is valuable as an asset for an inbound link.

Horny Dude · 12-31-2009, 10:28 AM

I thought PR was out. Not even Google shows it on their Toolbar or in Chrome like they used too. Give me a better position in the SE's and keep your page rank.

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2009, 10:33 AM

haha, you newbies are STILL chasing pagerank? That's classic.

LeRoy · 12-31-2009, 10:58 AM

Nice. I have some up some down

cyco_cc · 12-31-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carcotas

In my opinion PR dosen`t help in SERP

I don't understand why people still hold this misconception. Maybe they don't think about how a system works together to achieve a result or understand basic graph theory.

Page Rank of a site is computed by the PR of the sites that link to it. Higher page rank = greater weight. The web (given this name for a reason) can be modeled as a directed graph with vertices as sites and edges as links. An authoritative site is one with many edges connected to it. Authoritative sites have higher PR based on this algorithm. Authoritative sites appear high in the SERPs because they are viewed as more relevant.

Page Rank is definitely a factor in Google's ranking algorithm, but it's not the only one. This is just simple mathematics, people. PR gives a numeric representation of the quality of incoming links to a site and nothing more. Even if the little green blob was done away with, Page Rank still exists because it is merely the computation of incoming links to a site. The idea has always been: If [Site X] is an authoritative site and it links to [Site Y], then [Site Y] must be relevant for related searches and will thus rank higher in the SERPs. And this is roughly how PR is computed.

beemk · 12-31-2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

PR is just a way for inexperienced webmasters to jerk themselves off thinking they have a site worth selling. There is obviously more than enough suckers out there who believe the hype unfortunately.

I have plenty of PR0 sites that makes me more than enough sales to justify the reg fee/hosting... PR means nothing.

PR is like an amateur having high end photography equipment, if they dont know how to use it, its not going to get them the results they want. anyone who doesnt understand that falls in the "amateur who doesnt know how to use it" category.

Agent 488 · 12-31-2009, 11:30 AM

thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyco_cc

I don't understand why people still hold this misconception. Maybe they don't think about how a system works together to achieve a result or understand basic graph theory.

Page Rank of a site is computed by the PR of the sites that link to it. Higher page rank = greater weight. The web (given this name for a reason) can be modeled as a directed graph with vertices as sites and edges as links. An authoritative site is one with many edges connected to it. Authoritative sites have higher PR based on this algorithm. Authoritative sites appear high in the SERPs because they are viewed as more relevant.

Page Rank is definitely a factor in Google's ranking algorithm, but it's not the only one. This is just simple mathematics, people. PR gives a numeric representation of the quality of incoming links to a site and nothing more. Even if the little green blob was done away with, Page Rank still exists because it is merely the computation of incoming links to a site. The idea has always been: If [Site X] is an authoritative site and it links to [Site Y], then [Site Y] must be relevant for related searches and will thus rank higher in the SERPs. And this is roughly how PR is computed.

Pleasurepays · 12-31-2009, 11:31 AM

Google IS PageRank you fucking morons

And stop confusing their comment about removing toolbar PR from webmaster tools to prevent people from focusing on the manipulation of pagerank vs focusing on creating quality content as some comment about "page rank" not being important.

Saying PR is not important is the single most asinine statement a person that works online can make.

12-31-2009, 11:32 AM

PR is for fools - google just leaks it out and manipulates naive webmasters.

seeandsee · 12-31-2009, 11:36 AM

no PR dont mater, jesus

armus · 12-31-2009, 11:58 AM

Google gave a PR2 gift to one of my 2 months old domain,

KILL_FRENZY · 12-31-2009, 12:07 PM

That's good news. Haven't noticed it. Thanks

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Saying PR is not important is the single most asinine statement a person that works online can make.

No, THIS is the most asinine statement a person that works online can make. Anyone who believes that pagerank is still even a LITTLE relevant obviously doesn't have enough sites with enough pages online to know better.

Wait, are you selling links? Those that do are foaming at the mouth about how "crucial" pagerank is to their customer's business.

d-null · 12-31-2009, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Just to elaborate.

- if you buy links based on pr you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on alexa you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on traffic you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on backlinks you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on domain age you don't know what you're doing
- if you buy links based on archive history you don't know what you're doing

But if you have a clue, you use a combination of such things to deduce what is a quality link and what is valuable as an asset for an inbound link.

FUCK archive.org

this is one of the first things that should go in everyone's robots.txt file:

Code:

User-agent: ia_archiver
Disallow: /

SRT8 · 12-31-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

FUCK archive.org

this is one of the first things that should go in everyone's robots.txt file:

Code:

User-agent: ia_archiver
Disallow: /

explain? curious why...

Iron Fist · 12-31-2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

No, THIS is the most asinine statement a person that works online can make. Anyone who believes that pagerank is still even a LITTLE relevant obviously doesn't have enough sites with enough pages online to know better.

Wait, are you selling links? Those that do are foaming at the mouth about how "crucial" pagerank is to their customer's business.

Thank you. This is exactly what i've been saying for awhile...

Now if you asked me 5 years ago, I would obviously be telling you a different story... but Google isn't stupid and knows webmasters have been manipulating paid linking schemes for a long long time, which is *WHY* PR has virtually no weight today in terms of SERPs.

Like I said before.. I've got PR0 sites online right now getting 500-5000 SE hits for various terms every single day. Pagerank means nothing to me because I don't sell links.

mmcfadden · 12-31-2009, 03:32 PM

all kinds of PR lovin today! 1's to three's... 0's to 1's... 2's to 2's...

Happy New Year!

John. · 12-31-2009, 03:58 PM

lost some pr here

CunningStunt · 12-31-2009, 04:00 PM

I have a site with only PR2 but it has 540K uniques per month.

If you think PR means dick, you're a muppet.

mmcfadden · 12-31-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I have a site with only PR2 but it has 540K uniques per month.

If you think PR means dick, you're a muppet.

maybe your pr2 and my pr2 could become a pr4?

CunningStunt · 12-31-2009, 04:11 PM

Actually it's gone up to PR3 with this update, I might fap to that for the advertising dollars win!

cyco_cc · 12-31-2009, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I have a site with only PR2 but it has 540K uniques per month.

If you think PR means dick, you're a muppet.

So what? PR is one factor when determining ranking in the SERPs--there are many others. PR is merely a numeric representation of the quality of incoming links. Google has always based the authority of a site on the number of quality links pointing to it. Higher authority = Higher rankings. And this makes sense, right? If you deny this, then how does Google deem a site authoritative? By magic?

Think about it this way, say the Toolbar PR was removed, Page Rank STILL exists. Instead of a user buying a PR3+ link on some site in his niche posted on some forum, he simply looks at the page 1 SERPs for keywords he wants to target and contacts those sites to buy/trade links. This is the EXACT same thing. A site that ranks high is authoritative. It is authoritative based on many factors, but one important factor is quality of incoming links. If said site links to another site, that site also gains authority, or page rank, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

To say it doesn't mean dick shows a lack of understanding of basic mathematics and Search Engine principles.

CunningStunt · 12-31-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyco_cc

So what? PR is one factor when determining ranking in the SERPs--there are many others. PR is merely a numeric representation of the quality of incoming links. Google has always based the authority of a site on the number of quality links pointing to it. Higher authority = Higher rankings. And this makes sense, right? If you deny this, then how does Google deem a site authoritative? By magic?

Think about it this way, say the Toolbar PR was removed, Page Rank STILL exists. Instead of a user buying a PR3+ link on some site in his niche posted on some forum, he simply looks at the page 1 SERPs for keywords he wants to target and contacts those sites to buy/trade links. This is the EXACT same thing. A site that ranks high is authoritative. It is authoritative based on many factors, but one important factor is quality of incoming links. If said site links to another site, that site also gains authority, or page rank, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

To say it doesn't mean dick shows a lack of understanding of basic mathematics and Search Engine principles.

Sorry I didn't read your snzzz, you have no idea.

woj · 12-31-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyco_cc

So what? PR is one factor when determining ranking in the SERPs--there are many others. PR is merely a numeric representation of the quality of incoming links. Google has always based the authority of a site on the number of quality links pointing to it. Higher authority = Higher rankings. And this makes sense, right? If you deny this, then how does Google deem a site authoritative? By magic?

Think about it this way, say the Toolbar PR was removed, Page Rank STILL exists. Instead of a user buying a PR3+ link on some site in his niche posted on some forum, he simply looks at the page 1 SERPs for keywords he wants to target and contacts those sites to buy/trade links. This is the EXACT same thing. A site that ranks high is authoritative. It is authoritative based on many factors, but one important factor is quality of incoming links. If said site links to another site, that site also gains authority, or page rank, or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

To say it doesn't mean dick shows a lack of understanding of basic mathematics and Search Engine principles.

don't teach your competition

Pleasurepays · 12-31-2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

No, THIS is the most asinine statement a person that works online can make. Anyone who believes that pagerank is still even a LITTLE relevant obviously doesn't have enough sites with enough pages online to know better.

Wait, are you selling links? Those that do are foaming at the mouth about how "crucial" pagerank is to their customer's business.

think about that for a second genius. all top SEO guys ONLINE buy links. based in large part on ... what factor? Thats right. Everyones spending 100's of millions of dollars or more buying links in mainstream because they're just confused and it doesn't help.

maybe you've got it all figured out. or maybe the idiots making similar statements have zero clue what they're talking about because they don't spend all day, everyday building networks, building links, buying links and going after competitive phrases.

the thing that idiots in this industry don't seem to grasp is that PageRank used to be a stronger factor in a page ranking for all kinds of ancillary bullshit in addition to its primary targeted phrases. now, higher PageRank doesn't automatically equate to more traffic as it did in years past. that doesn't mean its not important. its extremely important and its the single measure of the quality and quantity of inbound links to a page which CAUSE it to rank for ANYTHING REMOTELY COMPETITIVE AT ALL. Its how Google determines whether a page is important or not and to what degree. 0 inbound links = 0 importance. The quality of inbound links are measured almost solely by the PR they pass. Its what Google is. Google IS PageRank. Of course their are other factors. But PageRank is THE factor which drives the search engine. MSN and Yahoo use similar methods as well. Yahoo started with HITS which failed. MSN uses WebRank (i think they call it) which is basically the same thing, measuring the same thing.

Its totally fucking insane to me that people don't even grasp the most fundamental, core concepts of search engines.

CunningStunt · 12-31-2009, 06:11 PM

I love stupid people, they are amusing.

GAMEFINEST · 12-31-2009, 06:12 PM

mine went down..dammit

cyco_cc · 01-01-2010, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I love stupid people, they are amusing.

You mean people who make retarded statements but can't back it up with sound logic? Yeah you, err... they, are amusing.

fatfoo · 01-01-2010, 02:28 AM

Thanks for telling us they updated pagerank. Yeah, they do that like 3 weeks or something? Something like that?

chupachups · 01-01-2010, 02:36 AM

Anyone wanna buy some Google priority IDs?

Lykos · 01-01-2010, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyco_cc

I don't understand why people still hold this misconception. Maybe they don't think about how a system works together to achieve a result or understand basic graph theory.

Page Rank of a site is computed by the PR of the sites that link to it. Higher page rank = greater weight. The web (given this name for a reason) can be modeled as a directed graph with vertices as sites and edges as links. An authoritative site is one with many edges connected to it. Authoritative sites have higher PR based on this algorithm. Authoritative sites appear high in the SERPs because they are viewed as more relevant.

Page Rank is definitely a factor in Google's ranking algorithm, but it's not the only one. This is just simple mathematics, people. PR gives a numeric representation of the quality of incoming links to a site and nothing more. Even if the little green blob was done away with, Page Rank still exists because it is merely the computation of incoming links to a site. The idea has always been: If [Site X] is an authoritative site and it links to [Site Y], then [Site Y] must be relevant for related searches and will thus rank higher in the SERPs. And this is roughly how PR is computed.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 01-01-2010, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy

pr doesnt say shit

fuck the money, i'm in it for the pr.

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 06:37 AM

some interesting responses.

"i made a sale with a low page rank site so page rank doesn't matter."

"my site gets X amount of traffic so page rank doesn't matter."

"pr was removed from the toolbar so page rank doesn't matter."

it's like graduates from the donny long school of seo.

12-31-2009, 01:22 AM	#1
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12-31-2009, 01:27 AM	#2
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12-31-2009, 02:16 AM	#7
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12-31-2009, 02:18 AM	#8
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	yeah pr doesn't matter give me 1000 links from pr 7 sites you take 1000 from pr 0 sites let me know how that works out for you.

12-31-2009, 02:28 AM	#9
Carcotas Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: City of Dracula Posts: 45	In my opinion PR dosen`t help in SERP, so even if you have PR 5-6 you will not be on the 1st postion.PR will help you if you want to sell backlinks like other directories or website ;)

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12-31-2009, 03:53 AM	#12
SRT8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 185	hells yea domain not even 3 months old from pr0 to pr2

12-31-2009, 05:54 AM	#13
wizzart scriptmaster Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Serbia Posts: 5,237	All my sites show PR N/A , so update is in progress

12-31-2009, 08:18 AM	#16
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	PR is just a way for inexperienced webmasters to jerk themselves off thinking they have a site worth selling. There is obviously more than enough suckers out there who believe the hype unfortunately. I have plenty of PR0 sites that makes me more than enough sales to justify the reg fee/hosting... PR means nothing. __________________ i like waffles

12-31-2009, 10:03 AM	#17
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	typical dum-dum responses. i love these threads.

12-31-2009, 10:28 AM	#19
Horny Dude Earn enough to buy coffee Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego, Ca. Posts: 4,912	I thought PR was out. Not even Google shows it on their Toolbar or in Chrome like they used too. Give me a better position in the SE's and keep your page rank. __________________

12-31-2009, 10:33 AM	#20
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12-31-2009, 10:58 AM	#21
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12-31-2009, 11:31 AM	#25
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	Google IS PageRank you fucking morons And stop confusing their comment about removing toolbar PR from webmaster tools to prevent people from focusing on the manipulation of pagerank vs focusing on creating quality content as some comment about "page rank" not being important. Saying PR is not important is the single most asinine statement a person that works online can make.

12-31-2009, 11:32 AM	#26
Vexes Guest Posts: n/a	PR is for fools - google just leaks it out and manipulates naive webmasters.

12-31-2009, 11:36 AM	#27
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12-31-2009, 11:58 AM	#28
armus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 235	Google gave a PR2 gift to one of my 2 months old domain,

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12-31-2009, 03:32 PM	#34
mmcfadden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: philly Posts: 5,099	all kinds of PR lovin today! 1's to three's... 0's to 1's... 2's to 2's... Happy New Year!

12-31-2009, 03:58 PM	#35
John. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Europe Posts: 2,264	lost some pr here __________________ Sig too old.

12-31-2009, 04:00 PM	#36
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	I have a site with only PR2 but it has 540K uniques per month. If you think PR means dick, you're a muppet.

12-31-2009, 04:11 PM	#38
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Actually it's gone up to PR3 with this update, I might fap to that for the advertising dollars win!

12-31-2009, 06:11 PM	#43
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01-01-2010, 06:37 AM	#50
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	some interesting responses. "i made a sale with a low page rank site so page rank doesn't matter." "my site gets X amount of traffic so page rank doesn't matter." "pr was removed from the toolbar so page rank doesn't matter." it's like graduates from the donny long school of seo.