what $ amount per signup would satisfy you for a RECURRING program? - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg Atherton · 12-14-2002, 08:09 PM

I believe it's safe to say that most everyone here prefers to send their hard earned traffic to per signup programs, because we all like the instant gratification rather then thinking about the longterm.

So how much does a program have to pay you per signup and recurring for you to send your traffic there instead of a per signup?

of course NO recurring program can afford to send you anything close to what the per signups are sending you, so keep that in mind and be realistic. Lets hear your opinions!

Theo · 12-14-2002, 08:25 PM

everything $16+ is nice, although there are many things someone should consider. I have sponsors paying lower than the stantards but they convert way better and overall bring me more $.

Greg Atherton · 12-14-2002, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
everything $16+ is nice, although there are many things someone should consider. I have sponsors paying lower than the stantards but they convert way better and overall bring me more $.

Although I really have not come across too many solid programs that are even paying $18 recurring, so $18 may be a stretch.

m0rph3us · 12-14-2002, 08:32 PM

$10 from a $20 site ANYDAY than $18 from a $29.95.

Theo · 12-14-2002, 08:38 PM

Some per signup programs have high partnership payouts, like platinumbucks and topbucks which pay 80%

Greg Atherton · 12-14-2002, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by m0rph3us
$10 from a $20 site ANYDAY than $18 from a $29.95.

im curious why you say that?
could you explain further?

<IMX> · 12-14-2002, 08:48 PM

ideally it depends on the rentention at that price, with the content that you have.

For example:

6 monts at 19.95 w/ 10.50 pay out is
63 bucks

3 months at 29.95 w/ 20 pay out is
60 bucks

Depends on the price/rention ratio. Also depends on your exit and cross sale strategy.
As well as your internal upsales.
Basically, a lot to consider.
You going to pay on check processing etc...

Depends on how you structure your program... to maximize rention or max your (sponsor) rev.

DearAbby · 12-14-2002, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by Greg Atherton

im curious why you say that?
could you explain further?

Id agree with Morpheous. A program that charges it's members $20 a month is going to recur longer than one that charges $30

My best sponsor with the longest recurring memberships charges it's customers $19.95 per month. At 50/50 it may not seem like a lot...but when the members never cancel...it adds up.

Greg Atherton · 12-14-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by DearAbby

Id agree with Morpheous. A program that charges it's members $20 a month is going to recur longer than one that charges $30

My best sponsor with the longest recurring memberships charges it's customers $19.95 per month. At 50/50 it may not seem like a lot...but when the members never cancel...it adds up.

but do you guys think that many webmasters will actively prtomote a program that pays out only $10 a recurring signup?

goggles22 · 12-14-2002, 09:00 PM

me i promote a 50/50 revshare program that offers

trial 4.99
full membership 29.99
3 month 69.99

i don't think you can beat it.for the last 4 months. i have been watching my rebills grow and grow

http://www.gspotmoney.com/signup.php?wm=lg376608

<IMX> · 12-14-2002, 09:09 PM

yep---

You need to run the numbers and the test out the site to see what price converts the best for you on your own traffic, then keep testing b4 you open up a partnership program

Also, be advised you should have some fresh content or fresh angle. That will help sell your program to webmasters.

DearAbby · 12-14-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Greg Atherton

but do you guys think that many webmasters will actively prtomote a program that pays out only $10 a recurring signup?

Depends on the conversions

If it converts and recurs well, people will jump on the program like mad.
EVERYBODY is looking for a good recurring sponsor.

Tanker · 12-14-2002, 09:21 PM

our webmasters get 22 dollars on the revshare for a recur

Tanker

goggles22 · 12-14-2002, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by DearAbby

Depends on the conversions

If it converts and recurs well, people will jump on the program like mad.
EVERYBODY is looking for a good recurring sponsor.

rebills is what is all about

m0rph3us · 12-14-2002, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by DearAbby

Depends on the conversions

If it converts and recurs well, people will jump on the program like mad.
EVERYBODY is looking for a good recurring sponsor.

*nod*

fnet · 12-14-2002, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by DearAbby

Depends on the conversions

If it converts and recurs well, people will jump on the program like mad.
EVERYBODY is looking for a good recurring sponsor.

You'll see this post over and over again on gfy...

"Who's the best converting sponsor?"

And then bunch of people will post bullshit.

My intuition based on my "limited" experience is that if it converts better than 1:200 for a full membership (let's ignore the trial stage for argument) it's quite respectable. 1:150 and you have a leader. With very targeted traffic you can do better than 1:150, but so far this is what's been true of the 2 1/2 dozen programs I've tested (and those culled from damn near everything).

If you're converting at 1:300 but members are loyal, that's also respectable.

Kimmykim · 12-14-2002, 10:25 PM

Are you related to any Aussie Athertons by any chance Greg?

Greg Atherton · 12-14-2002, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Are you related to any Aussie Athertons by any chance Greg?

Kimmy, I am not. Born and bred in Florida, although I have been to australia on vacation a couple of time. Beautifull place

NETbilling · 12-15-2002, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fnet

You'll see this post over and over again on gfy...

"Who's the best converting sponsor?"

And then bunch of people will post bullshit.

My intuition based on my "limited" experience is that if it converts better than 1:200 for a full membership (let's ignore the trial stage for argument) it's quite respectable. 1:150 and you have a leader. With very targeted traffic you can do better than 1:150, but so far this is what's been true of the 2 1/2 dozen programs I've tested (and those culled from damn near everything).

If you're converting at 1:300 but members are loyal, that's also respectable.

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Check it out!

Mitch

DearAbby · 12-15-2002, 01:51 AM

Here comes the Spamers!!! Never fails

DearAbby · 12-15-2002, 01:53 AM

They are like vultures.

Shoplifter · 12-15-2002, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by Greg Atherton
I believe it's safe to say that most everyone here prefers to send their hard earned traffic to per signup programs, because we all like the instant gratification rather then thinking about the longterm.

I wouldn't say that at all. I always go with revshare over webmaster run per signup programs.

The main issue is whether or not it sells and retains in the first place. I evaluate a program not by how much they pay by signup, but rather how much I make per day with them. If I make less than $100 / day with a new program after a couple weeks I drop it.

You generally know a revshare program run by the biller isn't crooked, and the rebills will add up nicely on a good site.

m0rph3us · 12-15-2002, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fnet

You'll see this post over and over again on gfy...

"Who's the best converting sponsor?"

And then bunch of people will post bullshit.

My intuition based on my "limited" experience is that if it converts better than 1:200 for a full membership (let's ignore the trial stage for argument) it's quite respectable. 1:150 and you have a leader. With very targeted traffic you can do better than 1:150, but so far this is what's been true of the 2 1/2 dozen programs I've tested (and those culled from damn near everything).

If you're converting at 1:300 but members are loyal, that's also respectable.

conversions ratios are utter bull. It's like comparing cheap beer sales in a rich community to cheap beer in the ghetto.

1:150 you will not see from TGPs when doing mass promotion. Sure SE and AVS traffic might get you that. What would you rather have though? 1000 avs traffic doing 1:150 or 10,000 tgp hits doing 1:500 ?

fnet · 12-19-2002, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by m0rph3us

conversions ratios are utter bull. It's like comparing cheap beer sales in a rich community to cheap beer in the ghetto.

1:150 you will not see from TGPs when doing mass promotion. Sure SE and AVS traffic might get you that. What would you rather have though? 1000 avs traffic doing 1:150 or 10,000 tgp hits doing 1:500 ?

Yawn.

You're saying that conversion ratios are irrelevant, because different kinds of traffic exist. Conversion ratios are a large part of the language we have for readily comparing the merit of various programs. For my traffic the numbers are quite stable.

multisexsite · 12-19-2002, 11:40 PM

1:150 you will not see from TGPs

-----

well im currently at better than 1:100 with TGP traffic... with a recurring sponsor that pays me around $10 per recur.

rayzor · 12-19-2002, 11:52 PM

comparing conversion ratios for 2 different webmasters or sponser reported ratios is irrevalent. you need to know the real ratio (outclicks : signups) based on your own traffic and compare that to other sponsers..

Quote:

Originally posted by fnet

Yawn.

You're saying that conversion ratios are irrelevant, because different kinds of traffic exist. Conversion ratios are a large part of the language we have for readily comparing the merit of various programs. For my traffic the numbers are quite stable.

fnet · 12-20-2002, 12:50 AM

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Originally posted by rayzor
comparing conversion ratios for 2 different webmasters or sponser reported ratios is irrevalent. you need to know the real ratio (outclicks : signups) based on your own traffic and compare that to other sponsers..

Right... all that seems pretty intuitively obvious. Sorry I didn't clarify enough.

NickB. · 12-20-2002, 01:33 AM

we are paying about 19.95 per recurring sign up at a 50% partnership, but we start at 40% we'll increase if sign ups are good.

Works great for us!!

View Poll Results: HOW MUCH DOES A RECURRING PROGRAM HAVE TO PAY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THEM?
they have to pay me at least $12 per recurring signup for me to consider them	11	28.95%
they have to pay me at least $16 per recurring signup for me to consider them	13	34.21%
$18 (not many recurring programs can send you more than $18 a signup and make a profit, so $18 maximum is being realistic)	3	7.89%
if $18 is the most a recurring program can pay, then I'de rather keep sending to Per Signup programs instead	11	28.95%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

12-14-2002, 08:09 PM	#1
Greg Atherton Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 294	what $ amount per signup would satisfy you for a RECURRING program? I believe it's safe to say that most everyone here prefers to send their hard earned traffic to per signup programs, because we all like the instant gratification rather then thinking about the longterm. So how much does a program have to pay you per signup and recurring for you to send your traffic there instead of a per signup? of course NO recurring program can afford to send you anything close to what the per signups are sending you, so keep that in mind and be realistic. Lets hear your opinions! __________________ Greg Atherton CEO, Ion Media

12-14-2002, 08:25 PM	#2
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12-14-2002, 08:32 PM	#4
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12-14-2002, 08:48 PM	#7
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	ideally it depends on the rentention at that price, with the content that you have. For example: 6 monts at 19.95 w/ 10.50 pay out is 63 bucks 3 months at 29.95 w/ 20 pay out is 60 bucks Depends on the price/rention ratio. Also depends on your exit and cross sale strategy. As well as your internal upsales. Basically, a lot to consider. You going to pay on check processing etc... Depends on how you structure your program... to maximize rention or max your (sponsor) rev. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

12-14-2002, 08:38 PM	#5
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Some per signup programs have high partnership payouts, like platinumbucks and topbucks which pay 80%

12-14-2002, 09:00 PM	#10
goggles22 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 79	me i promote a 50/50 revshare program that offers trial 4.99 full membership 29.99 3 month 69.99 i don't think you can beat it.for the last 4 months. i have been watching my rebills grow and grow http://www.gspotmoney.com/signup.php?wm=lg376608

12-14-2002, 09:09 PM	#11
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	yep--- You need to run the numbers and the test out the site to see what price converts the best for you on your own traffic, then keep testing b4 you open up a partnership program Also, be advised you should have some fresh content or fresh angle. That will help sell your program to webmasters. __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

12-14-2002, 09:21 PM	#13
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	our webmasters get 22 dollars on the revshare for a recur Tanker __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

12-14-2002, 10:25 PM	#17
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Are you related to any Aussie Athertons by any chance Greg?

12-15-2002, 01:51 AM	#20
DearAbby Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NoCal Posts: 979	Here comes the Spamers!!! Never fails

12-15-2002, 01:53 AM	#21
DearAbby Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NoCal Posts: 979	They are like vultures.

12-19-2002, 11:40 PM	#25
multisexsite Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 929	1:150 you will not see from TGPs ----- well im currently at better than 1:100 with TGP traffic... with a recurring sponsor that pays me around $10 per recur.

12-20-2002, 01:33 AM	#28
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	we are paying about 19.95 per recurring sign up at a 50% partnership, but we start at 40% we'll increase if sign ups are good. Works great for us!! Last edited by NickB.; 12-20-2002 at 01:37 AM..