Case Law for Child Custody & Adult Industry

[EllaBlack]

Hey, I have an ex-wife hunting my ass down!
I am looking for any case law anyone might know of regarding child custody and working in the adult industry.
Any examples would be seriously appreciated - thanks so much!

Ella

[email protected]

[Fag]

Originally Posted by EllaBlack

Hey, I have an ex-wife hunting my ass down!
I am looking for any case law anyone might know of regarding child custody and working in the adult industry.
Any examples would be seriously appreciated - thanks so much!

Ella

[email protected]

you're a man and your name is Ella?

[EdgeXXX]

Do you feel comfortable elaborating?

[EllaBlack]

Originally Posted by Fag

you're a man and your name is Ella?

Why in the WORLD would you assume I'm a man?

She found out I'm in the adult industry, and is now not wanting her kids around me or at my house, because I live with their father.

[halfpint]

I would go and see a lawyer If I were you

[J. Falcon]

You came to the right place. /sarcasm

[MrKinkade]

i can tell you from someone in the adult industry and I HAVE CUSTODY OF MY SON
unlesss you expose the child to your work which I will assume your not even remotely retarded enough to do that........ and the father pays child support ( which I assume if he doesn't have custody) there is NOT a thing she can do about it and IF she holds out visitation he can take her to court and order her to allow visitation... and if she seems unfit he shuld go after custody 100% worse comes to worse she caves in and allows the visits JMHO

[MrKinkade]

seriously if your online and wanna talk about it IM me on yahoo messenger.... Dawgmanincincy..... I wrote up my own paperwork and everything the mother played the he does porn card and well the judge was like you got proof he does it in front him or he is exposed to it

[selena]

http://www.parentsinadult.com/

Though the site doesn't appear to really be active, it may have some contact info you can use.

[Choker]

Get a lawyer. There is no case history or precidences you can use because family law cases involving minors are sealed records even to the courts. They can't be used in this manner. Despite what any lawyer or any person tells you it's all up to the judge that hears your case and what kind of mood he's in. If he/she's fair they should have no problem with your line of work as long as the child is not exposed. If the Judge walks in the courtroom from his chambers carrying a bible your prolly fucked.

[MrKinkade]

Originally Posted by Choker

Get a lawyer. There is no case history or precidences you can use because family law cases involving minors are sealed records even to the courts. They can't be used in this manner. Despite what any lawyer or any person tells you it's all up to the judge that hears your case and what kind of mood he's in. If he/she's fair they should have no problem with your line of work as long as the child is not exposed. If the Judge walks in the courtroom from his chambers carrying a bible your prolly fucked.

thats absolutely false man I live in cincinnati and have custody of my child the judge asked her if she has proof that I work in from of my son or expose him.. her lawyer so NO the judge said then oh well

she has to prove she exposes the kids in that enviroment

[Choker]

Originally Posted by MrKinkade

thats absolutely false man I live in cincinnati and have custody of my child the judge asked her if she has proof that I work in from of my son or expose him.. her lawyer so NO the judge said then oh well

she has to prove she exposes the kids in that enviroment

Ummm ok man, it's false, has nothing to do with that particular judge right? Because you had totally different results with a specific judge does not mean every judge in the country thinks the same as the judge you had, I've been in front of half a dozen different judges over the years dealing with child custody. Family law has no jury of your peers, it's all about what the Judge thinks.

I have custody of my daughter pretty much exact same situation as you, she tried to throw up the porn thing. Luckily the last judge I had saw it my way, Judges before him did not see it my way. It is MOST DEFINETLY up to the Judge. $500 a hour attorney doesnt hurt either.

[pornlaw]

I have had deal with this personally and professionally...

There is no case law you are going to find. The advice you have gotten so far is solid... but as in many cases it really depends on your judge. Some dont care and some do.

It also depends on your involvement in the industry.... webmaster, affiliate, content producer -- pornstar/performer. Obviously the closer you are to the sex the worse it could be.

But I would strongly recommend getting a lawyer especially one that understands what you do and how it works from the perspective of a child....

Many adult performers in Los Angeles have custody and have gone through battles for custody. Adult doesnt equate to automatic loss of custody but it may be a hill to climb on top of everything else you have to deal with in a family law situation.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by EllaBlack

Why in the WORLD would you assume I'm a man?

She found out I'm in the adult industry, and is now not wanting her kids around me or at my house, because I live with their father.

Adult industry would fall into the same category as a stripper.

My buddy just left his wife for a stripper a year or so back. He has three kids. While the divorce was going on, he could not have the hooker around while he had his visitations or it was a violation. So for six months, he had to kick the skeezer out of the apartment while he visited with his kids three days per week.

I have heard of similar examples, but that one was direct knowledge via my buddy. So I would guess that you would fall into that category should the ex-wife bring it up in court.

Now,... post pictures of your toes and soles.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by EllaBlack

Hey, I have an ex-wife hunting my ass down!
I am looking for any case law anyone might know of regarding child custody and working in the adult industry.
Any examples would be seriously appreciated - thanks so much!

Ella

[email protected]

Kind of a vague question. In the State of California the words you want to remember when discussing is "the good of the children." She can't do anything based simply on the fact that his girlfriend works in porn. That in of itself would not have a negative effect on the kid as much as not having contact with the father would.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Adult industry would fall into the same category as a stripper.

My buddy just left his wife for a stripper a year or so back. He has three kids. While the divorce was going on, he could not have the hooker around while he had his visitations or it was a violation. So for six months, he had to kick the skeezer out of the apartment while he visited with his kids three days per week.

I have heard of similar examples, but that one was direct knowledge via my buddy. So I would guess that you would fall into that category should the ex-wife bring it up in court.

Now,... post pictures of your toes and soles.

In Michigan? Different story. All states have their own Family Law statutes and they can be as different as toes and paws.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by baddog

Kind of a vague question. In the State of California the words you want to remember when discussing is "the good of the children." She can't do anything based simply on the fact that his girlfriend works in porn. That in of itself would not have a negative effect on the kid as much as not having contact with the father would.

yeah the state says a lot, take a look at what Janine Ludemiller just went thru

In Calfornia, remember that shooting porn in legal , is it legal in your state?

But talk to a lawyer, too important to guess on something like this. I've been thru that shit and got custody of my daughter. Best thing I've ever done with my life, she's visiting right now from the Navy!

[CYF]

Originally Posted by baddog

In Michigan? Different story. All states have their own Family Law statutes and they can be as different as toes and paws.

that's an example that BF will enjoy

[baddog]

Originally Posted by CYF

that's an example that BF will enjoy

My intent.

[MrKinkade]

Originally Posted by Choker

Ummm ok man, it's false, has nothing to do with that particular judge right? Because you had totally different results with a specific judge does not mean every judge in the country thinks the same as the judge you had, I've been in front of half a dozen different judges over the years dealing with child custody. Family law has no jury of your peers, it's all about what the Judge thinks.

I have custody of my daughter pretty much exact same situation as you, she tried to throw up the porn thing. Luckily the last judge I had saw it my way, Judges before him did not see it my way. It is MOST DEFINETLY up to the Judge. $500 a hour attorney doesnt hurt either.

I did it on my own I didn't pay for a lawyer or nothing I went after my son and laid the burden of proof on her and her lawyer... its not suppose to matter who the judge is it matters what the law says and unless your subjecting said minor to unfit and unreasonable living conditions they dont have a leg to stand on.. and thats why we have appeals to stop rouge judges

[MrKinkade]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

yeah the state says a lot, take a look at what Janine Ludemiller just went thru

In Calfornia, remember that shooting porn in legal , is it legal in your state?

But talk to a lawyer, too important to guess on something like this. I've been thru that shit and got custody of my daughter. Best thing I've ever done with my life, she's visiting right now from the Navy!

hasn't janine gotten onto trouble with the law thats a differentworld there

dunno

[thehand]

How about the law firm of Smith & Wesson?

JK - Seriously, get a lawyer ASAP, I wouldnt base anything on GFY legal advice.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck with getting full custody.

[shimmy2]

Originally Posted by thehand

How about the law firm of Smith & Wesson?

whoa there partner.

i'm going thru the same shit, interntionally though i got kids in canada and joint custody yet get issues whenever visitation comes up etc. honestly the way i look at it my kids are halfway grown and will be up outta there as soon as theyre legal. they're not stupid and are remarkably resilient. i would say just live your life Ella.

[Raf1]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Adult doesnt equate to automatic loss of custody but it may be a hill to climb on top of everything else you have to deal with in a family law situation.

exactly. I can only imagine how tough this is going to be for you. Best of luck

[KBoogie]

I personally had my ex husband try to take custody of my daughter by using my adult industry employment. We had to speak to a court appointed mediator before we had our court date. Both the judge and mediator were very conservative women.

At mediation, when my ex was given the floor to speak, he of course said many cruel things about me in relation to my choice of work and the environment it can create while I sat there in shock at his details. When his ranting was finally over, the mediator asked him if he feels I am a bad parent or that I would ever put our daughter in harms way.

My ex could only say "No" as that is the truth regardless of my job.

The mediator then asked him why in the world he would spend 10 minutes trying to degrade his daughters' mothe. she told me my industry choice is more of a personal morals thing not a law thing and not her place to judge and we left the room.

The next day in the courtroom, my ex brought it up again in front of everyone and God and the judge simple asked him if he is in fear that my daughter was in an unhealthy environment or if I am a bad mother per him.

Again, the answer was "No."

The judge then said she didn't understand why he would even bring that up then and he did not get what he wanted.

That was my experience in Southern California a year ago.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by EllaBlack

Why in the WORLD would you assume I'm a man?

She found out I'm in the adult industry, and is now not wanting her kids around me or at my house, because I live with their father.

not good, fact is, anytime a cop/CPS worker/judge hears "step mom is does porn" they begin questioning and the kids will ultimately be the focus of the interrogations.

[~Ray]

Originally Posted by KBoogie

I personally had my ex husband try to take custody of my daughter by using my adult industry employment. We had to speak to a court appointed mediator before we had our court date. Both the judge and mediator were very conservative women.

At mediation, when my ex was given the floor to speak, he of course said many cruel things about me in relation to my choice of work and the environment it can create while I sat there in shock at his details. When his ranting was finally over, the mediator asked him if he feels I am a bad parent or that I would ever put our daughter in harms way.

My ex could only say "No" as that is the truth regardless of my job.

The mediator then asked him why in the world he would spend 10 minutes trying to degrade his daughters' mothe. she told me my industry choice is more of a personal morals thing not a law thing and not her place to judge and we left the room.

The next day in the courtroom, my ex brought it up again in front of everyone and God and the judge simple asked him if he is in fear that my daughter was in an unhealthy environment or if I am a bad mother per him.

Again, the answer was "No."

The judge then said she didn't understand why he would even bring that up then and he did not get what he wanted.

That was my experience in Southern California a year ago.

nice answer

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by baddog

My intent.

[czarina]

it originally sounded like you were referring to your own ex-wife... that's why he assumed you're a guy

[EllaBlack]

Originally Posted by KBoogie

I personally had my ex husband try to take custody of my daughter by using my adult industry employment. We had to speak to a court appointed mediator before we had our court date. Both the judge and mediator were very conservative women.

At mediation, when my ex was given the floor to speak, he of course said many cruel things about me in relation to my choice of work and the environment it can create while I sat there in shock at his details. When his ranting was finally over, the mediator asked him if he feels I am a bad parent or that I would ever put our daughter in harms way.

My ex could only say "No" as that is the truth regardless of my job.

The mediator then asked him why in the world he would spend 10 minutes trying to degrade his daughters' mothe. she told me my industry choice is more of a personal morals thing not a law thing and not her place to judge and we left the room.

The next day in the courtroom, my ex brought it up again in front of everyone and God and the judge simple asked him if he is in fear that my daughter was in an unhealthy environment or if I am a bad mother per him.

Again, the answer was "No."

The judge then said she didn't understand why he would even bring that up then and he did not get what he wanted.

That was my experience in Southern California a year ago.

Thats exactly the same situation we've found ourselves in... they recently divorced and she recently found out I own my own sologirl site... she has requested my man and her attend mediation.... We have never exposed the kids to the biz.... we never shoot when there are visiting... she demands the kids have no contact with me nor come over for visitations at our home.... We also live in CA, so your experience and perspective was helpful. Thank you!

[EllaBlack]

Originally Posted by baddog

My intent.

Thanks Baddog! I hear what you were saying.... It was nice seeing you in LA. We should go riding sometime!

Ella & Sonny

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by EllaBlack

we never shoot when there are visiting... she demands the kids have no contact with me nor come over for visitations at our home.... Thank you!

i wouldnt even film in the house to be honest.... "judge they film porn in the living room!"

doesnt matter "when" you film it, if porn is being filmed where the kids go it can be used against you.

I know if I divorced my wife and she went on to start filming porn in her new place with new man, I woould do everything I could to not allow my child to go there. I can only imagine others feel the same. No parent wants their kid near porn sets.

Just my worthless opinion, disregard it. As a father now, these topics interest me.

[MsCheyenne]

Hi Ella,

Some time ago I spent 3 long years in a bloody custody battle. I will be happy to talk to you privately about what I learned and what may be helpful to you. Feel free to contact me via email. [email protected]

Cheyenne

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by KBoogie

I personally had my ex husband try to take custody of my daughter by using my adult industry employment. We had to speak to a court appointed mediator before we had our court date. Both the judge and mediator were very conservative women.

At mediation, when my ex was given the floor to speak, he of course said many cruel things about me in relation to my choice of work and the environment it can create while I sat there in shock at his details. When his ranting was finally over, the mediator asked him if he feels I am a bad parent or that I would ever put our daughter in harms way.

My ex could only say "No" as that is the truth regardless of my job.

The mediator then asked him why in the world he would spend 10 minutes trying to degrade his daughters' mothe. she told me my industry choice is more of a personal morals thing not a law thing and not her place to judge and we left the room.

The next day in the courtroom, my ex brought it up again in front of everyone and God and the judge simple asked him if he is in fear that my daughter was in an unhealthy environment or if I am a bad mother per him.

Again, the answer was "No."

The judge then said she didn't understand why he would even bring that up then and he did not get what he wanted.

That was my experience in Southern California a year ago.

i don't know what you do in adult but for performers, i can't see how it couldn't damage the child. its hard enough growing up with 'normal' parents but when your mom is getting banged on sites all over the net, i could only imagine the humilation they must face. not to say they shouldn't have their kids but they should really think about more about how it will effect their kids when they choose careers.

[KBoogie]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i don't know what you do in adult but for performers, i can't see how it couldn't damage the child. its hard enough growing up with 'normal' parents but when your mom is getting banged on sites all over the net, i could only imagine the humilation they must face. not to say they shouldn't have their kids but they should really think about more about how it will effect their kids when they choose careers.

Although I am in the business end of our industry...I completely disagree with you. I've met shit loads of loser parents whose actions would or could embarrass their children at one point or another in their lives and are usually ILLEGAL. There are WAY worse things being done these days.

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i don't know what you do in adult but for performers, i can't see how it couldn't damage the child. its hard enough growing up with 'normal' parents but when your mom is getting banged on sites all over the net, i could only imagine the humilation they must face. not to say they shouldn't have their kids but they should really think about more about how it will effect their kids when they choose careers.

what?!? really?!? um...ok

[chadknowslaw]

You are worried about custody of children and getting advice from GFY???

Hire a family law specialist if you want to keep custody. Seriously, that is one of those things you need to be willing to pay for.

Just don't look at me. I swore off family law in 2000 when a woman I represented took her soon-to-be ex-husband's door off his truck with her Chrysler in a McDonald's parking lot.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

what?!? really?!? um...ok

hey chad, im on youporn.com right now watching your mom get drilled in the ass by 2 guys at once...wanna see?

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

hey chad, im on youporn.com right now watching your mom get drilled in the ass by 2 guys at once...wanna see?

why do you even post here. there are plenty of christian, motor bike and tv show boards which are more up your alley.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

why do you even post here. there are plenty of christian, motor bike and tv show boards which are more up your alley.

why do you? you're not even a webmaster or in any way associated with anything at all... i like porn but if you want to live in a dream world where everything peachy keen all the time maybe you should venture out of your urine soaked dank hole.

[MsCheyenne]

Originally Posted by chadknowslaw

You are worried about custody of children and getting advice from GFY???

Hire a family law specialist if you want to keep custody. Seriously, that is one of those things you need to be willing to pay for.

Just don't look at me. I swore off family law in 2000 when a woman I represented took her soon-to-be ex-husband's door off his truck with her Chrysler in a McDonald's parking lot.

There are a lot family law attorneys. The key is hiring a very good family law attorney is key. I see nothing wrong with her asking for advice from people who may have been through this before. However, it should be discussed privately.

[MsCheyenne]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i don't know what you do in adult but for performers, i can't see how it couldn't damage the child. its hard enough growing up with 'normal' parents but when your mom is getting banged on sites all over the net, i could only imagine the humilation they must face. not to say they shouldn't have their kids but they should really think about more about how it will effect their kids when they choose careers.

The most embarrassing and shameful career for a parent to have would be that of a sleazy divorce attorney who makes their money by misrepresenting truth and promoting the destruction of families for profit. The domestic court is a circus where every court professional has their hand out at the family's expense. It should be avoided whenever possible. If both parties are reasonably good parents and have enough money to keep the domestic court wheels spinning...more than likely nothing will change but bank accounts...and their family will be slowly tortured as long as they feed the legal machine. If her ex thinks this is a cake walk because of her career...he will soon learn it is not. The bottom line in situations like this is money.

[MrKinkade]

here is wht I did.... I brought up a complaint on her... went to court and with evidencr and unreasonable doubt proved her unfit.. kept my mouth shut aand din't say anything else when her "lawyer" brought up the fact I did porn the magasrate asked if I did it in the house I said NO he said you go to LA i said NO thailand... but I since retired.. he asked if I expose my child to porn at home told him NO and my computer has netnanny installed.. her lawyer shut the hell up fast he said unless he's doing scenes with the child in the house or endagering him which you have failed to prove and unless you come up with hard evidence we will take a recess within 15 minutes we were back in his court room and she was signing papers over to me
It cost me a GRAND total of 250 in filing fees and getting my evidence together cost her 500 to lose custody

attorneys are great but if you research and come prepared you can do it too

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

hooker

skeezer

Now,... post pictures of your toes and soles.

... you gotta love GFY.

[MsCheyenne]

If she had picked out a top notch attorney and had given him a hefty retainer, you would have been in court for a couple of years...porn or no porn...valid issues or no valid issues. Don't be naive.

[MrKinkade]

there is naive and there is knowing the laws... and her attorney was female so thanks for being sexist and thinking only males are family attorneys.... she brought up charges on me I dispelled them I brought up chatrges on her I proved them end result I have custody of my child she doesn't....


where is the naivity?