Cool interview with architect about collapses on 9/11

[mayabong]

Of course all most people push aside 9/11 truthers as kooks and wierdos. What they don't realize is that there are alot of very educated people that are a part of this movement as well. I think this is a great interview. What do you thinK?

Can someone tell me how to embed? Youtube vids?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Of course all most people push aside 9/11 truthers as kooks and wierdos. What they don't realize is that there are alot of very educated people that are a part of this movement as well. I think this is a great interview. What do you thinK?

Can someone tell me how to embed? Youtube vids?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us

There are also a lot of highly educated people who believe in God, Allah, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Educated does not equal rational.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

There are also a lot of highly educated people who believe in God, Allah, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Educated does not equal rational.

Whats not rational about what that guy said? Did you even watch it?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Whats not rational about what that guy said?

pretty much everything, but specifically-

anything with the words *controlled demolition* *thermite* and *collapse within its own footprint*

etc etc et al on&on, blah blah

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

pretty much everything, but specifically-

anything with the words *controlled demolition* *thermite* and *collapse within its own footprint*

etc etc et al on&on, blah blah

I don't see why why this is so unbelievable, you'll accept the 9/11 commission report which said building 7 fell by fire, and deny what over 700 arch's and engineers say, funny.

These guys put their careers (and lives) on the line to share this info, something that most "patriots" would never do.

[CaptainHowdy]

Just passing by...

[DBS.US]

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

How you did that?

[DBS.US]

[Phoenix]

maya...dont bother with this stuff here...no one wants to know whats in mr falcone's crate

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by mayabong

How you did that?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by mayabong

I don't see why why this is so unbelievable, you'll accept the 9/11 commission report which said building 7 fell by fire, and deny what over 700 arch's and engineers say, funny.
These guys put their careers (and lives) on the line to share this info, something that most "patriots" would never do.

wrong. to say an architect put his career and life on the line to sign a document is ludicrous.

ESPECIALLY in light of those who died in the 9/11 tragedy.

furthermore, you asked what i think about it.
don't ask such questions if you can't handle someone else's opinion and don't assume i've accepted anything.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

wrong. to say an architect put his career and life on the line to sign a document is ludicrous.

ESPECIALLY in light of those who died in the 9/11 tragedy.

furthermore, you asked what i think about it.
don't ask such questions if you can't handle someone else's opinion and don't assume i've accepted anything.

You're right, yes I can accept your opinion, guess I just would like to hear a reason to why this guy is nuts and why he's wrong.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mayabong

You're right, yes I can accept your opinion, guess I just would like to hear a reason to why this guy is nuts and why he's wrong.

he doesnt have any facts....no one does...they will spout the popular science reasons why it was not an attack...even though the editors for popular science quit in disgust and had to be replaced for the magazine to come out.

people will spout the party line...and give their two cents to back it up

even though head of physics at mit...and u of t...etc all say the official story is false...what do those guys know? they are just the smartest guys on the planet

[dyna mo]

i'm not here to convince anyone of anything, you are entitled to your opinion.

that being said here's an indisputable fact-


watch this video
http://www.guzer.com/videos/thermite_car.php

then do the math-


Note how much thermite is used. The pot is about a liter, but how much thermite is that?

Stoichiometric thermite requires 2 moles of Al per 1 mole of Fe2O3

2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe


2 moles of Al weigh 54 g
1 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 160 g

density of Al=2.64 g/cc
density of Fe2O3=5.24 g/cc


54 grams of Al is equivalent to 20.5 cc of Al.
160g of Fe2O3 is equivalent to 30.5 cc of Fe2O3

Therefore, 51 cc of fully dense powder of 20.5 cc Al and 30.5 cc Fe2O3 weighs (54+160) g = 214 g.

A volume of 1000 cc would weigh (1000/51)*214 = 4.2 kg

For a powder packing density of 50%, the powder would weigh:

0.5*4.2 kg = 2.1 kg = 4.8 lb

That much just to burn a small hole in a small car engine. I bet it's even an aluminum block but lets say it isn't. How much do you think it would take to burn a massive core column? Then add enough to burn for 6 weeks! You see where we're going. You'd need tons.


How much mass would be required to produce molten iron from thermite equal to the same volume of molten aluminum droplets shown flowing from the south tower window:


A mole of Fe weighs 54 g. For every mole of Fe produced by thermite, one mole of Al and 0.5 mole of Fe2O3 is needed.

2Al + Fe2O3 = Al2O3 + 2Fe


One mole of Al weighs 27 g. 0.5 mole of Fe2O3 weighs 80 g.

Therefore, (27 + 80) g = 107 g of Al and Fe2O3 is needed to produce 54 g of Fe.

That means the mass of the reactants to that of Fe produced is a ratio of 107/54 = 2. The mass of thermite reactants (Al, Fe2O3) is twice that of the molten iron produced.

Comparing the weight of molten aluminum droplets compared with iron:

Iron is 7.9 g/cc. Aluminum is 2.64 g/cc. Fe is denser than Al by a factor of 3. For the same volume of droplets, Fe would have three times the mass as Al.

To produce the iron from thermite requires a reactant mass that is a factor of 2 more than the iron produced. Also, Fe is 3 times as dense as Al. So, it would take 2*3 = 6 times as much mass to produce the same volume of molten iron droplets from thermite compared with molten aluminum droplets.




Assume 3000 lbs of aluminum fell from the towers. If it had been molten iron produced by thermite, then 6*3000 = 18,000 lbs of thermite reactants would have been required to produce that same volume of falling mass.

Suppose 10 tons of molten aluminum fell from the south tower, about 1/8th of that available from the airplane. If it had been molten iron produced from thermite, 60 tons of thermite reactants would have to have been stored to produce the same volume spilling out of the south tower. The section of floor would have to hold all of that plus the aircraft.

*Amount of aluminum can be ascertained by counting the droplets and measuring their size compared to the known size of the window. It's not easy to get a good number on this. It's based on the number of slugs seen in video stills, their size relative to the window width which was about 22 inches, and the density of aluminum, assuming this was aluminum.

The weight of a gallon of aluminum is about 22.5 pounds. A hundred of these would already be 2250 lbs. A gallon size is not unlike the size of the slugs that were pouring out the window. Look at them relative to the window size. They look small at first, but when you realize how big the towers were, the slugs were fairly large. It must have been in the thousands of pounds.

The thermite wouldn't have only needed to make a clean cut, it would have also needed to cut sideways. Not an easy feat for thermite. You see, it's a powder which burns chaotically. Maybe with some device but no working device has been proven to me to work to cut a vertical column. You can direct it with a canister but that method wouldn't work to cut a column. The canister only makes a small hole. Nano-thermite has been talked about but its uses fall far short of cutting these massive columns. It's in its research stage. They include possible uses for welding molecular devices and possible use as a heat signature flare decoy. Then there is a patent of a device which has been brought up but as of yet, there is no evidence the idea went any further. Does it even work? Even if it did, they are "Ganged" together to make the cut. You would still need these boxes all over the columns. Once again the answer to this from the "scholars" is "rationalized technology". They need this technology to exist so it exists. There is some secret super thermite which can be placed in a canister which can survive 1,100 degree C so the primary charge doesn't go off.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

he doesnt have any facts....no one does...they will spout the popular science reasons why it was not an attack...even though the editors for popular science quit in disgust and had to be replaced for the magazine to come out.

people will spout the party line...and give their two cents to back it up

even though head of physics at mit...and u of t...etc all say the official story is false...what do those guys know? they are just the smartest guys on the planet

you're a fucking idiot. THAT is a fact i am certain of.

[Go4it]

9/11 was an inside job!!!

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

he doesnt have any facts....no one does...they will spout the popular science reasons why it was not an attack...even though the editors for popular science quit in disgust and had to be replaced for the magazine to come out.

people will spout the party line...and give their two cents to back it up

even though head of physics at mit...and u of t...etc all say the official story is false...what do those guys know? they are just the smartest guys on the planet

Thanks I agree

[dyna mo]

shocker.

[CyberHustler]

Whether it was an inside job or not, I still have to get paid to support me and my family... so see sig.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Whats not rational about what that guy said? Did you even watch it?

The problem is this:



And if you mix all three together you get...



There are so many variables involved from the twin tower location alone that every time I hear 'experts' start discussing all three buildings and bring up nano thermite, I have to shake my head. I have already mentioned to you the fact that the first tower going down registered on the richter scale 20+ miles away. Imagine the effect it had on the shared concrete basement complex and solid rock it was sitting on.

There is also a HUGE difference between 9/11 being an inside job and there being a cover-up after the fact by people who had their asses on the line for not doing their jobs properly in the first place and the whole situation being a complete clusterfuck.

I can site one specific example from personal experience which was flight 93 slamming in to the field in Pennsylvania. When it first happened, there were interviews with witnesses going live on the radio stating that they saw a military aircraft shoot it down. This was immediately after, not weeks or even days later. This version of the story quickly vanished in the media. But let me ask you this - how are the people on the flight better remembered and honored? As collateral damage, or as heroes who took action and sacrificed themselves as patriots for the greater good?

Where do I stand on 9/11? There is no doubt in my mind that there was a cover-up of facts after the events took place so average people would not realize how badly their government and defense systems failed them in an actual time of crisis.

[Martin]

Those buildings were coming down that day. Somebody made damn sure of it.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

There are also a lot of highly educated people who believe in God, Allah, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Educated does not equal rational.

[SatansCandy]

"In the day of the great slaughter when the towers fall" - Isaiah 700 BC

Get a clue blind sinners.

[DaddyHalbucks]

It is so surprising that a well educated person wants some limelight for himself and does so via spouting some kooky theories?

Watch the NOVA documentary on the towers. It is fact and science. You can see the exact frame.. the exact moment the trusses fail from the heat stress.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Of course all most people push aside 9/11 truthers as kooks and wierdos. What they don't realize is that there are alot of very educated people that are a part of this movement as well. I think this is a great interview. What do you thinK?

Can someone tell me how to embed? Youtube vids?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

The problem is this:



And if you mix all three together you get...



There are so many variables involved from the twin tower location alone that every time I hear 'experts' start discussing all three buildings and bring up nano thermite, I have to shake my head. I have already mentioned to you the fact that the first tower going down registered on the richter scale 20+ miles away. Imagine the effect it had on the shared concrete basement complex and solid rock it was sitting on.

There is also a HUGE difference between 9/11 being an inside job and there being a cover-up after the fact by people who had their asses on the line for not doing their jobs properly in the first place and the whole situation being a complete clusterfuck.

I can site one specific example from personal experience which was flight 93 slamming in to the field in Pennsylvania. When it first happened, there were interviews with witnesses going live on the radio stating that they saw a military aircraft shoot it down. This was immediately after, not weeks or even days later. This version of the story quickly vanished in the media. But let me ask you this - how are the people on the flight better remembered and honored? As collateral damage, or as heroes who took action and sacrificed themselves as patriots for the greater good?

Where do I stand on 9/11? There is no doubt in my mind that there was a cover-up of facts after the events took place so average people would not realize how badly their government and defense systems failed them in an actual time of crisis.

I just don't get what is considered an expert in people's eyes... no matter what these people say or what their background of study is they are just kooks no matter what.

People say, 'why havn't people come forward and blown the whistle on this' .. Lots have come forward.. including the former german defense minister.. and many others.. just do a search on 9/11 whistleblowers lots have died though.

I also found this video to be interesting.



I'm not democrat or republican I really dont care about that stuff. Honestly I think america just needed to keep superpower status and this was the only way. This was outlined in the Project for a New American Century, written by the Neo-cons.. and saying that there needed to be a "New Pearl Harbor" event to get the people behind such a mission.

[Cyber Fucker]

Sure, many believe it was setup by US gov and Jews... my all friends, family... everyone I talked about it says that as well. Not all people are that stupid to don't see these so called "coincidences". USA is in need of solid excuses to invade other countries.

[cykoe6]

This thread is conclusive proof of the appallingly dismal state of mental health care in the States. They just push all of these desperately sick people out into the street without any medication or therapy......... and now the rest of have to tolerate their insane rantings as they try to drag us down into the dark fetid swamp of their own private nightmares.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

This thread is conclusive proof of the appallingly dismal state of mental health care in the States. They just push all of these desperately sick people out into the street without any medication or therapy......... and now the rest of have to tolerate their insane rantings as they try to drag us down into the dark fetid swamp of their own private nightmares.

but wait, it's on youtube so it must be true. thus, no need for critical thinking.

[ThumbLord]

please do NOT mock the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

This thread is conclusive proof of the appallingly dismal state of mental health care in the States. They just push all of these desperately sick people out into the street without any medication or therapy......... and now the rest of have to tolerate their insane rantings as they try to drag us down into the dark fetid swamp of their own private nightmares.

Yes maybe they are wrong, why not have a new investigation. To just brush all these coincidences aside and label them as crazy, makes you just as guilty as the people behind this mess. The 9/11 commission was a sham most people know that by now. Yes the mental health of this country is going down the drain, how dare people ask questions.



People who believe this official story are quickly becoming the minority.

[dyna mo]

keep me in the minority of ANYTHING CNN related.

[mayabong]

When charlie sheen came out and said it was an inside job CNN took another poll.



Of course everyone loves to attack charlie sheen cause he does drugs and likes hookers.
I'm sure you're all innocent of that.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

keep me in the minority of ANYTHING CNN related.

Where did you get the official story from then? oh musta been fox my bad hah

[DBS.US]

The U.S. government said it was terrorists so it must be true. They also said they had to make Industrial Hemp illegal to save white women from getting raped by black men that smoked marijuana

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

The U.S. government said it was terrorists so it must be true. They also said they had to make Industrial Hemp illegal to save white women from getting raped by black men that smoked marijuana

Haha right

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

The U.S. government said it was terrorists so it must be true. They also said they had to make Industrial Hemp illegal to save white women from getting raped by black men that smoked marijuana

Originally Posted by mayabong

Haha right

the irony is you 2 skoffing at this while giving credit to the same government for successfully completing what could easily be the most sophisticated conspiracy ever.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

It is so surprising that a well educated person wants some limelight for himself and does so via spouting some kooky theories?

Watch the NOVA documentary on the towers. It is fact and science. You can see the exact frame.. the exact moment the trusses fail from the heat stress.

I've seen this before, doesn't seem like they even talk about building 7 on this.. why not??
Also, even in their own 3d graphic of the building collapsing, thats not what happened. Floors were not stacked up ontop of eachother and beams weren't sticking up in the air like their 3d rendering shows.
Everything collapsed to dust for the most part.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the irony is you 2 skoffing at this while giving credit to the same government for successfully completing what could easily be the most sophisticated conspiracy ever.

I think the government is alot smarter and more cunning then we give them credit for actually. They do control alot of the world ya know. They use the stupidity card alot and people buy it.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're a fucking idiot. THAT is a fact i am certain of.

good one..you the man

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

good one..you the man

it's best not to assume things about people, like what you assumed about me earlier in this thread.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's best not to assume things about people, like what you assumed about me earlier in this thread.

whats not to assume? you straight up quoted someone else's work...and bought it 100%

if you seek out info on me...i used to put forth lots of my own ideas about what happened that day

did you know dyna mo...that a bush family member was in complete control of the towers security from 6 months before they went down?
did you also know that they first thing they did was take out all bomb sniffing dogs...for cost saving reasons..lol

after that you can dress up a mercenary in a ups uniform and he can deliver however much he can push on a cart right into the building and right up to where his cronies need it....so 10 tons you say? whats that 50 deliveries? 100? you could do that in 1 day

and with signed security clearance to boot.

it sounds like one of the die hard movies i know...but alas...three buildings down from two planes...if the glove don't fit you must ??????

[dyna mo]

my original comment re: you stands more than ever now.

[Overload]

i seriously doubt the small camp fires in the towers brought them down ... anyone knows a lotta smoke means the fire aint burning at high level temperature ... besides, high temp fires wudda caused window frames pop out by the dozen ... the empire state building, hit by a lancaster bomber if i recall corectly, burned bright alight for much longer than the towers and yet stands intact ... and serious ... NO FIRE EVER made a skyscaper collapse ... yet the official reports say it happened on 911 ... to THREE buildings - for THE FIRST TIME in history ... ??? i guess we shud fear US craftmanship way more than terrorism then

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by mayabong

Yes maybe they are wrong, why not have a new investigation. To just brush all these coincidences aside and label them as crazy, makes you just as guilty as the people behind this mess. The 9/11 commission was a sham most people know that by now. Yes the mental health of this country is going down the drain, how dare people ask questions.



People who believe this official story are quickly becoming the minority.

There are medications that can help you. There is nothing to be ashamed about. You have a legitimate illness and you just need to get some help so you can understand that the voices in your head are lying to you. Get well soon.

[mayabong]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

There are medications that can help you. There is nothing to be ashamed about. You have a legitimate illness and you just need to get some help so you can understand that the voices in your head are lying to you. Get well soon.

Yes thats what the commercials tell me. Please tell me which one i should take, to make me stop questioning the mainstream news, find jesus, and want to kill arabs.

I'm so glad you are becoming the minority lol

[fatfoo]

It's easier to destroy a building than to build it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

whats not to assume? you straight up quoted someone else's work...and bought it 100%

if you seek out info on me...i used to put forth lots of my own ideas about what happened that day

did you know dyna mo...that a bush family member was in complete control of the towers security from 6 months before they went down?
did you also know that they first thing they did was take out all bomb sniffing dogs...for cost saving reasons..lol

after that you can dress up a mercenary in a ups uniform and he can deliver however much he can push on a cart right into the building and right up to where his cronies need it....so 10 tons you say? whats that 50 deliveries? 100? you could do that in 1 day

and with signed security clearance to boot.

it sounds like one of the die hard movies i know...but alas...three buildings down from two planes...if the glove don't fit you must ??????

of course i posted someone else's work, go ahead and use your knowledge of chemisty, physics and math to dispute it, i've yet to see you nor the op even address it in a critically thinking manner, or even acknowledge that it *could* be correct.

feel free to post YOUR personal work on the matter, since you seem to think that it's important that I post MY work on the subject, else my view is moot.

see, that's the problem with you and the op and others like you, you watch a youtube video or 3 and think *that sounds good in my paranoid view* yet you don't critique that alternative view in any way or think for yourself about that angle, you are simply quick to jet to GFY to share this revelation with all the others who've yet to be amazed and overwhelmed with all this conclusive evidence in the contrary.


please, either you or the op come back with how much nano-thermite it would take to bring down the towers and bldg 7.


go on, do your own work (since you value that from me, discounting my view for lacking it) and prove to all of us you want to agree with you that you are more enlightened than the rest of us.

how much nano-thermite does it take to bring down those buildings?

[Dcat]

All I know it that NIST's Investigation of the Sept. 11 is complete bunk. We need a REAL investigation.