Fred Phelps at it again - Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs - GoFuckYourself.com

Bryan G · 03-31-2010, 01:10 PM

CNN) -- The father of a Marine whose funeral was picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church says an order to pay the protesters' legal costs in a civil claim is nothing less than a "slap in the face."

"By the court making this decision, they're not only telling me that they're taking their side, but I have to pay them money to do this to more soldiers and their families," said Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in action in Iraq in 2006.

Members of the fundamentalist church based in Topeka, Kansas, appeared outside Snyder's funeral in 2006 in Westminster, Maryland, carrying signs reading "You're going to hell," "God hates you" and "Thank God for dead soldiers."

Among the teachings of the church, which was founded in 1955 by pastor Fred Phelps, is the belief that God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths.

Margie Phelps, the daughter of Fred Phelps and the attorney representing the church in its appeals, also said the money that the church receives from Snyder will be used to finance demonstrations. But she also said that the order was a consequence of his decision to sue the church over the demonstration.

"Mr. Snyder and his attorneys have engaged the legal system; there are some rules to that legal engagement," said Phelps, a member of Westboro who says she has participated in more than 150 protests of military funerals.

"They wanted to shut down the picketing so now they're going to finance it," she said.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ordered that Snyder pay more than $16,000 in costs requested by Westboro for copies of motions, briefs and appendices, according to court documents.

In a motion filed in October, Snyder's lawyer, who is representing him for free, asked the court to dismiss the bill of costs, or, alternatively, reduce the 50-cent fee per page or charge Snyder only for copies that were necessary to make their arguments on appeal.

"We objected based upon ability to pay and the fairness of the situation," Sean Summers said.

The mostly pro-forma ruling is the latest chapter in an ongoing legal saga that pits privacy rights of grieving families against the free speech rights of demonstrators, however disturbing and provocative their message.

Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.

Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated.

"The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said. "Although reasonable people may disagree about the appropriateness of the Phelps' protest, this conduct simply does not satisfy the heavy burden required for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress under Maryland law."

The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case to address issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased.

The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting.

Both Phelps and Snyder's attorney said they were surprised that the 4th District chose to weigh in on the issue of legal costs when they could have waited until after the Supreme Court hearing.

Phelps believes the ruling bodes well for her side.

"It is a good harbinger of the fact that the Supreme Court will remind this nation that you don't have mob rule. The fact that so many people hate these words does not mean you can silence or penalize them. That's supposed to be the great liberty that we congratulate ourselves on protecting in this nation. We strut all around the world forcing people to give all the liberties we supposedly have," she said.

Phelps anticipated that a Supreme Court ruling in the church's favor would be unpopular, but she said Westboro's members viewed the potential outcome in Biblical terms.

"When the Supreme Court unanimously upholds the 4th Circuit, it's going to put this country in a rage, and we will be expelled," she said. "But whenever it was time for an epic event in the Bible, the thing that happened right before is the prophets were removed from the land, and that's what's going to happen to us. ... We're going to sprint to the end of this race."

Snyder claims he is unable to pay any legal costs in the case and is attempting to raise funds on his son's site, http://www.matthewsnyder.org/. He is equally optimistic that he will prevail before the Supreme Court.

"The American people keep my spirits lifted a lot and give me hope. I think most of the country is on my side on this issue," he said. "Too many people have died to protect our rights and freedoms to have them degraded and spit upon like this church does."

marketsmart · 03-31-2010, 01:18 PM

i cant believe that no one has kicked the shit out of these freaks yet....

do you really think the cops would arrest someone for assaulting these dicks...

.

Gouge · 03-31-2010, 01:22 PM

Bill O'Reilly

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/oreil...3/30/id/354287

bbobby86 · 03-31-2010, 01:25 PM

The American people keep my spirits lifted a lot and give me hope... nice

JFK · 03-31-2010, 01:27 PM

"The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ordered that Snyder pay more than $16,000 in costs requested by Westboro for copies of motions, briefs and appendices, according to court documents."

Totally fucking ridiculous

Bryan G · 03-31-2010, 01:30 PM

These people are fucking Hypocrites. Last year the daughter was on a morning show here in Toronto and the radio people were ripping her a new asshole, it was really funny. They (the radio show) did their research, it turns out that his daughther had a child out of wed lock, which is a big no no for them. Of course for his daughter it was fine.

cykoe6 · 03-31-2010, 01:37 PM

That stupid fuck Phelps is the worst sort of trash imaginable. I wish someone would put that fucking inbred down for good. What a despicable human being.

dirtymind · 03-31-2010, 01:42 PM

this is insane, how can they permit people to disturb a funeral. I say they have to pay the 8 mil.

Vendzilla · 03-31-2010, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gouge

Bill O'Reilly

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/oreil...3/30/id/354287

Yeah, Bill is doing a pretty good thing here. It will go to appeals, lets see what happens, personally, they should put a bounty on the heads of anyone that does that at a funeral

_Richard_ · 03-31-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platinum Bryan

Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.

Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated.

hahahaha

this guy needs a new lawyer.. they can protest anywhere, but htey pick the church?

i wonder why this group hasn't been charged under this law:

The Espionage Act of 1917 imposed a maximum sentence of twenty years for anyone who caused or attempted to cause "insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty in the military or naval forces of the United States."

hell, if everyone down there is being so loose with these laws

why the hell not

cykoe6 · 03-31-2010, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

they should put a bounty on the heads of anyone that does that at a funeral

I agree completely.

Naechy · 03-31-2010, 04:28 PM

this is really insane

raymor · 04-01-2010, 10:43 AM

Phelps is crazy, that's pretty simple. What I can't understand is why 31% of
Democrats would vote for Phelps as their senate candidate, or why Al Gore would
hang out with him. The guy holds up signs saying "thank God for dead soldiers",
at the funerals of our young heroes. You really can't get candidates a LOT
better than that? Sure Gore's kind of a militant on environmental issues,
having once wrote that people should blow up oil refineries, but he SEEMED like
a reasonable guy other than his environmentalist extremeism. Why the hell
would he pick Phelps as one of his electors?

Phelps being crazy is one thing, and I could understand Clinton and Obama
appointing those crazy judges if they simply didn't know how nuts the judges
were, but why the hell do you Dems CHOOSE to hang out with, and vote for,
piles of shit like Phelps? You really think he's a great guy?

BestXXXPorn · 04-01-2010, 10:52 AM

Let's label them for what they are.... domestic terrorists...

"Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)." - Wikipedia

These people are terrorists and should be treated accordingly...

Vendzilla · 04-01-2010, 11:13 AM

They had My Snyder on good morning america
They then got Bill Oreilly on the phone to talk about it
I think this is going to get even bigger

Agent 488 · 04-01-2010, 11:14 AM

he's just trolling america. and it's working.

CIVMatt · 04-01-2010, 11:15 AM

Good for Bill O, that's stand up right now, putting your money where your mouth is

spazlabz · 04-01-2010, 11:18 AM

Normally the entertainment value of WBC far outweighs their actual actions. This did upset me though that guy should not have to pay their court costs ( and Bill O is offering strictly to look like a nice guy which he is not)

To be honest I am surprised someone has not done something violent against them, I am not saying they should, but the fact they have not been shot at or something really does surprise me

spaz

Tom_PM · 04-01-2010, 11:27 AM

""The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said."

"Did not disrupt"? By some narrow minded legal definition no doubt. Such as "they didnt shout". Well big deal. When you hold up a huge sign, you dont need to shout, your honor.

If I hold my finger 1 inch from your face for 5 hours, I'm pretty sure I'm not breaking any laws, but you're going to want to take legal action against me and for good reason. I'm not shouting you down, but I'm sure that I'm disrupting you.

Judgment fail.

03-31-2010, 01:10 PM	#1
Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	Fred Phelps at it again - Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs CNN) -- The father of a Marine whose funeral was picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church says an order to pay the protesters' legal costs in a civil claim is nothing less than a "slap in the face." "By the court making this decision, they're not only telling me that they're taking their side, but I have to pay them money to do this to more soldiers and their families," said Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in action in Iraq in 2006. Members of the fundamentalist church based in Topeka, Kansas, appeared outside Snyder's funeral in 2006 in Westminster, Maryland, carrying signs reading "You're going to hell," "God hates you" and "Thank God for dead soldiers." Among the teachings of the church, which was founded in 1955 by pastor Fred Phelps, is the belief that God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths. Margie Phelps, the daughter of Fred Phelps and the attorney representing the church in its appeals, also said the money that the church receives from Snyder will be used to finance demonstrations. But she also said that the order was a consequence of his decision to sue the church over the demonstration. "Mr. Snyder and his attorneys have engaged the legal system; there are some rules to that legal engagement," said Phelps, a member of Westboro who says she has participated in more than 150 protests of military funerals. "They wanted to shut down the picketing so now they're going to finance it," she said. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ordered that Snyder pay more than $16,000 in costs requested by Westboro for copies of motions, briefs and appendices, according to court documents. In a motion filed in October, Snyder's lawyer, who is representing him for free, asked the court to dismiss the bill of costs, or, alternatively, reduce the 50-cent fee per page or charge Snyder only for copies that were necessary to make their arguments on appeal. "We objected based upon ability to pay and the fairness of the situation," Sean Summers said. The mostly pro-forma ruling is the latest chapter in an ongoing legal saga that pits privacy rights of grieving families against the free speech rights of demonstrators, however disturbing and provocative their message. Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million. Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated. "The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said. "Although reasonable people may disagree about the appropriateness of the Phelps' protest, this conduct simply does not satisfy the heavy burden required for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress under Maryland law." The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case to address issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased. The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting. Both Phelps and Snyder's attorney said they were surprised that the 4th District chose to weigh in on the issue of legal costs when they could have waited until after the Supreme Court hearing. Phelps believes the ruling bodes well for her side. "It is a good harbinger of the fact that the Supreme Court will remind this nation that you don't have mob rule. The fact that so many people hate these words does not mean you can silence or penalize them. That's supposed to be the great liberty that we congratulate ourselves on protecting in this nation. We strut all around the world forcing people to give all the liberties we supposedly have," she said. Phelps anticipated that a Supreme Court ruling in the church's favor would be unpopular, but she said Westboro's members viewed the potential outcome in Biblical terms. "When the Supreme Court unanimously upholds the 4th Circuit, it's going to put this country in a rage, and we will be expelled," she said. "But whenever it was time for an epic event in the Bible, the thing that happened right before is the prophets were removed from the land, and that's what's going to happen to us. ... We're going to sprint to the end of this race." Snyder claims he is unable to pay any legal costs in the case and is attempting to raise funds on his son's site, http://www.matthewsnyder.org/. He is equally optimistic that he will prevail before the Supreme Court. "The American people keep my spirits lifted a lot and give me hope. I think most of the country is on my side on this issue," he said. "Too many people have died to protect our rights and freedoms to have them degraded and spit upon like this church does." __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

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03-31-2010, 01:30 PM	#6
Bryan G Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,338	These people are fucking Hypocrites. Last year the daughter was on a morning show here in Toronto and the radio people were ripping her a new asshole, it was really funny. They (the radio show) did their research, it turns out that his daughther had a child out of wed lock, which is a big no no for them. Of course for his daughter it was fine. __________________ Bryan skype: bryan.glass3 \| ICQ 302999591

03-31-2010, 01:37 PM	#7
cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	That stupid fuck Phelps is the worst sort of trash imaginable. I wish someone would put that fucking inbred down for good. What a despicable human being. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

03-31-2010, 01:18 PM	#2
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03-31-2010, 01:22 PM	#3
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03-31-2010, 01:42 PM	#8
dirtymind Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,348	this is insane, how can they permit people to disturb a funeral. I say they have to pay the 8 mil. __________________ skype: codercarlos

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04-01-2010, 10:43 AM	#13
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Phelps is crazy, that's pretty simple. What I can't understand is why 31% of Democrats would vote for Phelps as their senate candidate, or why Al Gore would hang out with him. The guy holds up signs saying "thank God for dead soldiers", at the funerals of our young heroes. You really can't get candidates a LOT better than that? Sure Gore's kind of a militant on environmental issues, having once wrote that people should blow up oil refineries, but he SEEMED like a reasonable guy other than his environmentalist extremeism. Why the hell would he pick Phelps as one of his electors? Phelps being crazy is one thing, and I could understand Clinton and Obama appointing those crazy judges if they simply didn't know how nuts the judges were, but why the hell do you Dems CHOOSE to hang out with, and vote for, piles of shit like Phelps? You really think he's a great guy? __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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04-01-2010, 11:13 AM	#15
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	They had My Snyder on good morning america They then got Bill Oreilly on the phone to talk about it I think this is going to get even bigger __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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04-01-2010, 11:18 AM	#18
spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	Normally the entertainment value of WBC far outweighs their actual actions. This did upset me though that guy should not have to pay their court costs ( and Bill O is offering strictly to look like a nice guy which he is not) To be honest I am surprised someone has not done something violent against them, I am not saying they should, but the fact they have not been shot at or something really does surprise me spaz

04-01-2010, 11:27 AM	#19
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	""The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said." "Did not disrupt"? By some narrow minded legal definition no doubt. Such as "they didnt shout". Well big deal. When you hold up a huge sign, you dont need to shout, your honor. If I hold my finger 1 inch from your face for 5 hours, I'm pretty sure I'm not breaking any laws, but you're going to want to take legal action against me and for good reason. I'm not shouting you down, but I'm sure that I'm disrupting you. Judgment fail. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.