Canada set the introduce New Digital Copyright Law.

[Bman]

Looks like they are gonna introduce a tough copyright bill.

There is talk about very stiff Criminal Code violations with it... if they do then it looks like the RCMP will investigate instead of having to send DMCA's for those company's running tubes out of Canada ;)

[Frankthefreakintank]

where did hear or read about this?

[PR_Sebas]

Originally Posted by Frankthefreakintank

where did hear or read about this?

lol, shocker that the guy doing link trades/running illegal tubes for Brazzers from Canada is concerned about this.

[PXN]

This would be bad for pornhub.

[Barefootsies]

Cue gideongallery in 5....4...3...

[Caligari]

Its the beginning of the end for illegal tubes,torrents-

There are many countries introducing new legislation right now, this coinciding with new lawsuits coming out every week...

[L-Pink]

Good, the US needs to crack down as well.

.

[Adam_M]

Any links to information on this new law?

[2012]

I like Canada

[MetaMan]

LOLz if you people think tubes are going anywhere you are tripping, do you people have any idea how huge of a money maker these sites are?

if you think for 2 seconds that these sites/companies do not have the top lawyers watching over them and willing to do whatever it takes to keep them going you are tripping,

tubes are going no where and dominate the market never get it twisted. where money is to be made it will be made. the people who are willing the take REAL risks are the ones that make the real money.

if you think a law of any sorts is going to stop this you are only lieing to yourself. money talks and bullshit walks, all you people can hate all you want but you do not have the bankroll that these sites do so no matter how captain noble you want to pretend you are you will never make a dent in their business.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Its the beginning of the end for illegal tubes,torrents-

dumbest post of 2010 so far? im undecided but it may take the cake.

[HorseShit]

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-o...ounterfeiting/

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

LOLz if you people think tubes are going anywhere you are tripping, do you people have any idea how huge of a money maker these sites are?

if you think for 2 seconds that these sites/companies do not have the top lawyers watching over them and willing to do whatever it takes to keep them going you are tripping,

tubes are going no where and dominate the market never get it twisted. where money is to be made it will be made. the people who are willing the take REAL risks are the ones that make the real money.

if you think a law of any sorts is going to stop this you are only lieing to yourself. money talks and bullshit walks, all you people can hate all you want but you do not have the bankroll that these sites do so no matter how captain noble you want to pretend you are you will never make a dent in their business.

Correct on all points.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Correct on all points.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

LOLz if you people think tubes are going anywhere you are tripping, do you people have any idea how huge of a money maker these sites are?

if you think for 2 seconds that these sites/companies do not have the top lawyers watching over them and willing to do whatever it takes to keep them going you are tripping,

tubes are going no where and dominate the market never get it twisted. where money is to be made it will be made. the people who are willing the take REAL risks are the ones that make the real money.

if you think a law of any sorts is going to stop this you are only lieing to yourself. money talks and bullshit walks, all you people can hate all you want but you do not have the bankroll that these sites do so no matter how captain noble you want to pretend you are you will never make a dent in their business.

music industry, movie industry, software industry, games industry. keep dreaming if you think laws will not get tougher for massive illegitimate distributions.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by holograph

music industry, movie industry, software industry, games industry. keep dreaming if you think laws will not get tougher for massive illegitimate distributions.

your so right

when the vcr was made legal the MPAA went to congress and got them to criminalize them again

all they had to do was tell them that the vcr was to american content producer as the boston strangler was to women alone and the congress blindly followed and setup all the import duties asked for.

oh wait that never happened.

we are on the verge of a new fair use

it will not get reverse it will not change
what you have to do is get your head out of your ass and start figuiring out how to make money under the new market conditions.

turn tubes and torrents into the distribution channel it can be

just like the movie industry finally did with the vcr when they got their heads out of their asses.

[gideongallery]

i think your thinking about bill c-61

which was scraped when micheal geist got 60,000 people to send in complaints to their MP.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=582892
really old news

once the bad clauses (anti circumvention, explictly codified fair use, take down with no counter liability) were removed and new rights were wrapped in with a fair use notwithstanding clause

CIRA bitched and whinned calling it a toothless law not worth the paper it was written on.

Amazingly they refused to give up the piracy tax money which most consumer groups said they should give up if they wanted more american style copyright protection.

[Nautilus]

Any links?

[Denny]

Originally Posted by NwSebas

lol, shocker that the guy doing link trades/running illegal tubes for Brazzers from Canada is concerned about this.

[Denny]

Tube sites steal our money/traffic

[BlackCrayon]

i highly doubt canada will be the country to lay the smackdown on tubes. hell, its still legal to spam here.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Caligari

Its the beginning of the end for illegal tubes,torrents-

Oh yes. It's worked like that in France, Sweden and Japan when they introduced similar laws...

Oh no, wait a mo, it hasn't at all!

[seeandsee]

so tubes will go offshore

[webmaster-bb]

no one like tubes?

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

your so right

when the vcr was made legal the MPAA went to congress and got them to criminalize them again

all they had to do was tell them that the vcr was to american content producer as the boston strangler was to women alone and the congress blindly followed and setup all the import duties asked for.

oh wait that never happened.

we are on the verge of a new fair use

it will not get reverse it will not change
what you have to do is get your head out of your ass and start figuiring out how to make money under the new market conditions.

turn tubes and torrents into the distribution channel it can be

just like the movie industry finally did with the vcr when they got their heads out of their asses.

Gideon, do you still believe over 50% of torrent downloads legit? is that why some part of Europe trying to push total block of it?

[Serge Litehead]

Gideon
is this fair use you are referring to:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

?
movies playing in theaters, next thing you know millions viewing them online for free next day. fair use? thats just one example

[FreeHugeMovies]

The key is. To TAKE their domain after many infractions.

[Serge Litehead]

no one ever in threads like this one suggested to take away your, mine, our VCR rights for personal use.
but majority here recognizes there's a problem with safe harbor being used in advantage by pirates and them freely distributing copyrighted material with out a license to distribute it until copyright holder finds and sends DCMA with millions downloading or streaming till its uncovered. simply not reasonable enough.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon
is this fair use you are referring to:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

?
movies playing in theaters, next thing you know millions viewing them online for free next day. fair use? thats just one example

Can you explain something to me?

If everyone is downloading cams of films, how come hollywood announced record breaking profits for the last two years in a row?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...s-in-2009.html

I don't get it?

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Can you explain something to me?

If everyone is downloading cams of films, how come hollywood announced record breaking profits for the last two years in a row?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...s-in-2009.html

I don't get it?

so oil companies report huge profits, lets go steal some gas then?
it has nothing to do with profits or shitty quality. are you saying you have a right to come to theater record the whole movie, put it on some streaming site plastered with ads stream to millions of others just because you paid ticket price? is this fair use? same applies to dvd rips and anything else. streaming site not responsible for whats on their site, its clever.

[EmpireHP]

Originally Posted by holograph

so oil companies report huge profits, lets go steal some gas then?

ironically i think that's what they say when the find a country with oil/ gas. "shit! iraq has oil, lets go drop some bombs and take their oil - which will also pay for the bombs we drop"

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by EmpireHP

ironically i think that's what they say when the find a country with oil/ gas. "shit! iraq has oil, lets go drop some bombs and take their oil - which will also pay for the bombs we drop"

if it was true, you wouldn't see Dubai as it is now, it would be a desert.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Can you explain something to me?

If everyone is downloading cams of films, how come hollywood announced record breaking profits for the last two years in a row?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...s-in-2009.html

I don't get it?

hey Damian, the link brings up a Trojan warning

[Caligari]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

dumbest post of 2010 so far? im undecided but it may take the cake.

Then if you are a creator of illegal tubes/torrents and you reside in Canada, your reaction can only mean one thing.

What people can't seem to realize is, the big corporations have major power/influence and the legal big guns. If you think they are taking shots in the dark going after these illegal torrents/tubes you need to wake the fuck up.

[BigRod]

The money involved with adult tubes is chicken scratch compared to the dollars involved in the Viacom vs. Google lawsuit and the impact the decision will have on the DCMA. The legal battle for adult tubes will be won our lost without ever hearing from either side. The longer Google can hold a decision up in court, the longer illegal tubes will have to survive. Most experts agree Google can't win, but many feel they aren't looking for a win just proceedings that lasts forever.

That being said, I think the clock is ticking for tubes. Once Viacom gets their billion dollar decision against Google, illegal tubes will head for the hills because the risk of running an illegal tube wont be worth the reward like it is now. If by some crazy turn of events Google wins, OUR time will be a lot better spent populating mainstream tubes with all the music, movies and television shows we can get our hands on.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon, do you still believe over 50% of torrent downloads legit? is that why some part of Europe trying to push total block of it?

Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon
is this fair use you are referring to:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

?
movies playing in theaters, next thing you know millions viewing them online for free next day. fair use? thats just one example

Originally Posted by holograph

no one ever in threads like this one suggested to take away your, mine, our VCR rights for personal use.
but majority here recognizes there's a problem with safe harbor being used in advantage by pirates and them freely distributing copyrighted material with out a license to distribute it until copyright holder finds and sends DCMA with millions downloading or streaming till its uncovered. simply not reasonable enough.

read the c-61 or the article i posted that exactly the right they would take away.

the problem is that 1/2 the torrent transaction (seeding) is /should be the protected act of backup. You can create x-1 complete points of redundancy BEFORE a single infringing copy could potentially be created.

With tv shows representing 49% of all torrent traffic, and movies which air on tv being another 7-11% a majority of the downloads are the basically using the swarm like A VCR.

The penalty for making a bogus /fair use infringing takedown request is not serious enough. IT should be 3 times the damages claimed.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by holograph

music industry, movie industry, software industry, games industry. keep dreaming if you think laws will not get tougher for massive illegitimate distributions.

Laws get tougher so what? does that mean the sites will be shut down? HELL NO.

laws can be as tough as they want, if their is money to be made it will be made. Tubes have shown that their is money to be made. they are going no where no matter how tough laws get. come back to this thread in even 5 years and lets see if all the tubes are gone because of "tougher laws".

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Can you explain something to me?

If everyone is downloading cams of films, how come hollywood announced record breaking profits for the last two years in a row?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...s-in-2009.html

I don't get it?

because movie theaters are finally innovating and producing movies in 3-d
funny thing is if access shifting had been established in grokster case
we would have had that innovation years ago.
Theaters should have 3-d without the stupid glasses,
12.1 surround sound

instead a theater is just a bigger version of what you can see in your own home.
innovation was crushed because of draconion copyright monopoly.

Originally Posted by holograph

so oil companies report huge profits, lets go steal some gas then?
it has nothing to do with profits or shitty quality. are you saying you have a right to come to theater record the whole movie, put it on some streaming site plastered with ads stream to millions of others just because you paid ticket price? is this fair use? same applies to dvd rips and anything else. streaming site not responsible for whats on their site, its clever.

think about it this way if the arguement "we licience the right to view that content at a specific time on a specific day only" was ruled to be invalid by the fair use right of timeshifting why the fuck would you believe the "we licience the right to view in a specific location only" should be.

if access shifting had happened when it was first proposed, then movie theaters would have had to add value to the showing (3-d, 12.1 surround sounds, smell-o-vision) that would have made going to a movie an experience you could not get with a shitty cam.

billions of dollars of jobs would have been created in the production of real physical goods (cameras that record in 42 bit color etc)

Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon, do you still believe over 50% of torrent downloads legit? is that why some part of Europe trying to push total block of it?

for the same reason congress had hearing to discuss a law that would have outlawed vcr after they were legalized by the courts. political donations.

The problem is when a fair use right is established in the courts it OVERRIDES the previous laws. And the voters will sack any politician who trys to reverse the trend.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by Caligari

What people can't seem to realize is, the big corporations have major power/influence and the legal big guns. If you think they are taking shots in the dark going after these illegal torrents/tubes you need to wake the fuck up.

Look pandoras box has already been open, if you dont understand that then that is your problem not mine.

there are no laws that are going to change anything. a new model will just spring up. it boils down to money. if there is an opportunity to make money someone somewhere is going to do it no matter what the risks involved.

[Serge Litehead]

Gideon, you haven't answered my questions. i'm not interested in your vcr story, call it ignorance if you want. making one copy for yourself or a friend on a tape does not give you right to distribute it to millions and does not give some random 3rd party to do it without obtaining license for distribute that copy. unlike you I recognize there is an issue with piracy on massive scale and do hope and believe that it will get tougher for pirates to deal on the web with time. i'm sure your VCR rights won't be changed. Hollywood didn't give PirateBay right to be their redundant backup solution, so who gives them the right, is it instant because you purchased Win7 or Avatar you can share your copy with world on premises of redundant backup? wake the fuck up.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon, you haven't answered my questions. i'm not interested in your vcr story, call it ignorance if you want. making one copy for yourself or a friend on a tape does not give you right to distribute it to millions and does not give some random 3rd party to do it without obtaining license for distribute that copy.

but that were the vcr analogy works perfectly
sony didn't obtain a licience to make copies

and btw torrents don't distribute copies they distribute pieces of copies (sampling)
the client put those pieces together.

seeders are committing as much of a copyright infringement as a guy shredding a book and putting it in his garbage.

it the leacher who may or may not be committing a copyright infringement
it depends completle if the act is fair use authorized
if he is one of the 99.5% of the population that own at least 1 tv then downloading such a tv show is in fact the fair use act of timeshifting

if he is not than it is a copyright infringement

like i keep saying

leave the tracker alone
leave the seeder alone
leave the leacher with fair use right alone
go after the leacher without fair use rights

unlike you I recognize there is an issue with piracy on massive scale and do hope and believe that it will get tougher for pirates to deal on the web with time. i'm sure your VCR rights won't be changed.

you do realize the reason why a torrent recorder is the best pvr is because of the network effect.

every machine in the swarm is a redundant backup for every other machine.
it provides both timeshifting and backup at the same time.
it gives me abilities that a normal pvr doesn't give me
like catching up on shows i didn't realize i would like (like supernatural)
it the 5th season of that show i never watched it even though i paid for it for that entire time.
this year a friend told me to check it out since i was talking about how much i missed buffy and angel and wished they would bring back stories like that.

i torrented all the old episodes, and now space has me as a new viewer.

Hollywood didn't give PirateBay right to be their redundant backup solution, so who gives them the right, is it instant because you purchased Win7 or Avatar you can share your copy with world on premises of redundant backup? wake the fuck up.

total bullshit statement

microsoft doesn't give permission to seagate to be the backup
if copyright holder had that right microsoft could extend their monopoly on the desktop to sms server and backup solution by simply saying we don't give permission to company x to backup our software

companies would be forced to by microsoft sms server to back up windows desktop.

you don't need permission from the copyright holder to perform fair use services. every copyright holder gave that permission when they accepted the exclusive rights from the government.

That the point

copyright holders are given a special monopoly in exchange for authorizing all fair use rights as not being an infringement of that monopoly.

[papill0n]

gideongallery

I mean have you ever read more shit in all your life ?

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by papill0n

gideongallery

I mean have you ever read more shit in all your life ?

as opposed to the guy saying that you only have the right to backup with "authorized" backup providers.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

oh no, tough piracy law enacted in country. move to next country. profit...

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

The key is. To TAKE their domain after many infractions.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

as opposed to the guy saying that you only have the right to backup with "authorized" backup providers.

backup on any type of devices you want, personally.
what torrent sites do - they distribute it to people they have no means to verify purchase of license from of legit content in order to provide backup and access to it. - isn't simple concept?

before you can backup or access it = you have to have a license in the first place.

open your torrent tracker, build in mechanisms of license validation, then no one will say a word that you freely distribute it to masses and backup all you want with others legit license holders for that particular piece of intellectual property that you purchased in the first place. no one will stop you then and take your vcr rights away.

if you want to have this redundant backup - do it legitimately. freely (including some private trackers) accesible torrents is not the way as they are hubs for piracy

[icymelon]

I dont understand the illegal tube thing. Why not just use sponsor content and put a text link under it. 3 minutes is plenty long

[Serge Litehead]

you need some sort of license validation mechanism in place before you can demand your vcr rights extended on the internet.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Denny

Tube sites steal our money/traffic

It's called competition, and though what they're doing is nominally illegal, they're still competing with people who are doing things legally. It may be unfair, but who said life was fair?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Good, the US needs to crack down as well.

.

as soon as we deal with this medical marijuana, and illegals immigrants, we will get right on it.