Funny story, I had to share...Regarding Shap's Thread.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

As I wrote in Shap's thread, I said that when I ask my friends where they buy their porn online, they always tell me one of the big free tubes.

So I pick up someone today I haven't seen in about 10 years, he tells me that he heard I was in the Adult Business and said I shouldn't be ashamed of it. I said I'm not, then he said, I'm actually proud of you, with all the free porn you can get nowadays, why would anyone pay for it. He isn't even web savvy.

Maybe we should all ask 5 new friends and see what they say. And log them here. Anyone down?

[Barefootsies]

I've heard stories like that from friends long before tube sites.

"Why would anyone pay for it? You can get it for free everywhere on the web."

[RP Fade]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I've heard stories like that from friends long before tube sites.

"Why would anyone pay for it? You can get it for free everywhere on the web."

same here, all my friends surf tubes every day and don't understand our business model lol.

[L-Pink]

I'll bet most here don't have 5 friends ........


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[Shap]

Most of my experiences in the past year have been the same. Except my lawyer. He told me his PPV bill is out of control and he needs to look to getting an online membership to save money. $300 a month on ppv is killing him LOL

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

We really need to spread the word that free porn is what causes Viruses, maybe that will stick in their head and they can spread the word.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Shap

Most of my experiences in the past year have been the same. Except my lawyer. He told me his PPV bill is out of control and he needs to look to getting an online membership to save money. $300 a month on ppv is killing him LOL

His one hour fee in exchange for a month of PPV, that's not bad.

[CunningStunt]

It's funny because it's true.

[CyberHustler]

I don't know one single person who has paid for porn. True story.

[Deej]

no need to ask... thats all the responses i ever get from non adult people...

[Sosa]

I looked on my 19 year old brothers computer the other day. Not one porn site bookmarked but in his most visited top10 sites was a tube site and one that has been around for quite a while. He hasn't even found the more popular ones.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by Sosa

I looked on my 19 year old brothers computer the other day. Not one porn site bookmarked but in his most visited top10 sites was a tube site and one that has been around for quite a while. He hasn't even found the more popular ones.

What were you originally looking for?

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Sosa

I looked on my 19 year old brothers computer the other day. Not one porn site bookmarked but in his most visited top10 sites was a tube site and one that has been around for quite a while. He hasn't even found the more popular ones.

Just insane.

[Shap]

Here is a question. Would you ever admit to paying for porn? I wouldn't. It's a pretty embarrassing thing to admit imo.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Just shows, even if 7 out of 10 people are not paying for porn, we are still making a decent living off the 3 that pay.

Good job to those of you who do.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Shap

Here is a question. Would you ever admit to paying for porn? I wouldn't. It's a pretty embarrassing thing to admit imo.

My friends are straight out. They have nothing to hide. I asked one of my friends a few years ago and he said, Bang Bus was his favorite site, He even asked if I had a password to the site so he didn't have to pay for it anymore and I said No, Pay for it.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Just shows, even if 7 out of 10 people are not paying for porn, we are still making a decent living off the 3 that pay.

Good job to those of you who do.

If you think about it it's probably more like 10,000 to 1 (free to paying porn surfers) if not more.

[plsureking]

even my wife surfs the tubes a few hours a day. she would never break out a cc to watch free entertainment. there's no money in porn.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by Shap

Here is a question. Would you ever admit to paying for porn? I wouldn't. It's a pretty embarrassing thing to admit imo.

I masturbate to the tube sites

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by NanoBot

What were you originally looking for?

He was hoping his lil brother had pics of his gf on his comp.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Shap

If you think about it it's probably more like 10,000 to 1 (free to paying porn surfers) if not more.

That's true. I agree.

[TheDoc]

A few years back it was thehun... it's always been some free site.

Outside of piracy, the problem isn't that it's free porn or people saying what the next hot free site is - that's not new. The problem is these tubes don't share traffic with the rest of the adult Industry like the old free sites did.

This cuts into the adult traffic bubble and captures it without putting it back... it's the same free site surfers, they just moved.

[Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Did anybody notice that most tube sites dont have full brazzers videos on them? maybe thats why they bought them...

[fatfoo]

My guess is most people would say they can get the free porn they need from tubes.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

My guess is most people would say they can get the free porn they need from tubes.

Are you sure you aren't a Bot, you just posted on both of my same posts. Something fishy.

[Calico Jack]

Every day I hear people saying 'Why would I pay for porn?' or 'I would never pay for porn'. Still, fortunately for us, someone, somewhere still does.

[TheSenator]

Tube sites are low level shit, the upsell for me is high end webcam girls.

[kane]

I wrote this a while back in a different thread. I have a friend who had always been a porn buyer. He would join a site, stay a member for a few months then cancel and join another site. He told me he would be a paying member of a site for at least 11 out of 12 months per year. He found a few tube sites and hasn't joined a site in months and says he probably never will again. He isn't into anything niche, just likes regular hardcore stuff and there is more of that out there for free than you could watch in a lifetime.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by kane

I wrote this a while back in a different thread. I have a friend who had always been a porn buyer. He would join a site, stay a member for a few months then cancel and join another site. He told me he would be a paying member of a site for at least 11 out of 12 months per year. He found a few tube sites and hasn't joined a site in months and says he probably never will again. He isn't into anything niche, just likes regular hardcore stuff and there is more of that out there for free than you could watch in a lifetime.

Wow that's a pretty drastic example ;/

[LoveSandra]

good story

[kane]

Originally Posted by Shap

Wow that's a pretty drastic example ;/

It was pretty funny when he would buy stuff. He would call me up and ask me if I knew anything about a site and if the site was any good. I joked around saying I should have started a phone porn recommendation line.

[Nathan]

One thing noone seems to consider...

Who says that all surfers on the big tube sites would have bought porn online were it nowhere to be found for free?

I keep wondering why people think that... It goes the same with movies or music... I am very very sure that a LOT of people out there are downloading music or movies that they would have never ever bought a CD from before... obviously people also d/l stuff they would have bought... but why are we so sure thats the vast majority?

Noone seems to consider how much money we are talking about if all those people watching porn for free were actually to buy it, we would ALL be billionaires!! And if that were the case, why are we not already anyway considering tubes are only 2-3 years old?! The web has not grown THAT much in those years, we should have had millions of paying new members DAILY if these assumptions were all true...

Sure, some people are nolonger buying that would have bought before.. on the other hand, way more people are exposed to the brands out there because of the tubes, and if the quality were very good on the other paysites would this not cause a branding effect of some sort?

Last time I checked, watching series on tv is free... why do people buy tons of DVDs all of a sudden of all these series? Why does apple sell tons of movies and series on itunes? I seem to be missing something...

Things to think about....

[NaughtyRob]

All my friends are IN porn biz already.

[Grisey]

I know my mates have used redtube before now, but they are into anything niche just HC fucking

[andrej_NDC]

They can say whatever they want. If you make them horny on a paysite and they see what they like, they will sign-up, they won't even think about free porn at the moment, not enough blood in...

[Jack Sparrow]

Theres 3 types of people still paying for porn:

- Those that are NOT netsavvy.
- Those that are interested in a niche that isnt on the tubes like mad.
- Those that fall madly in love with a pornmodel and want all their videos in the highest quality.

Oh and 4: People that want to surf porn on their phone, because they still have a hard time finding full free porn because flash isnt playing on their phones.

Put those together, and you may have a winner ;)

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Nathan

One thing noone seems to consider...

Who says that all surfers on the big tube sites would have bought porn online were it nowhere to be found for free?

porn has always been an impulse buy. your statement indicates that you don't know how porn site marketing works - or worked before tubes.

many of us made a lot of money pushing a hot chick at a guy and giving him no other choice but to buy. he would stumble on some hot sexy teaser tgp and want more. before tubes there was only one way to get more of that model - break out the plastic.

it was an impulse buy (usually one-handed) and that impulse is now gone because he can watch enough of that model to blow a load just by googling her name. even computer illiterates know how to google.

no one said ALL the free porn surfers would buy, but a hell of a lot more of them were buying a few years ago.

[FlexxAeon]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Theres 3 types of people still paying for porn:

- Those that are NOT netsavvy.
- Those that are interested in a niche that isnt on the tubes like mad.
- Those that fall madly in love with a pornmodel and want all their videos in the highest quality.

Oh and 4: People that want to surf porn on their phone, because they still have a hard time finding full free porn because flash isnt playing on their phones.

Put those together, and you may have a winner ;)

PornstarFurries.mobi/FAQ.html

cha-ching!

[tiger]

Sounds familiar. I know people that can barely turn on their computer and they love to tell me about their favorite tube sites.

[ottopottomouse]

To the less able internet user EVERYTHING comes from Google.

Search for porn gets me 3 tube sites as the first results.

Until you can overcome that with a winning Google position OR a way of making tube sites frowned upon anybody new to the internet is being pointed in the direction of everything for free without even trying.

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

We really need to spread the word that free porn is what causes Viruses, maybe that will stick in their head and they can spread the word.

Well you can make sites that deliberately fuck peoples computer and install one of those you've got a virus now buy our solution scam things then get media attention saying free porn is dangerous BUT I don't think you will convert someone who is messed about like that from free to paying I think you are more likely to get into another round of hysterical porn is the work of the devil nonsense hurting paysites too.

Not an internetty thing but attitudes can be changed it just normally takes actual force rather than choice. When I was little cars didn't have seatbelts, now when I drive around not wearing one people will make a point of telling me I'm a cunt. Same with drink driving too, nobody used to give a shit and now its a very bad thing. Currently they are trying to do the same thing with speeding and making out that going over the artificially low speed limit is going to kill you and although most regular business drivers can see through it as just a money making opportunity on fines there are a huge amount of casual drivers that are letting themselves be brainwashed about it and then repeating what they have been fed.

Now try doing all that with free porn. You have to make it both illegal with huge punishment AND kill polar bears, so you stop the distribution both on a free sharing is going to get you in trouble way and also a socially responsible smug git way too.

Can't see that happening.

What I can see happening though for tubes is some sort of conversion from giving it all away free to once you have a regular visitor base that is always coming back to your site you introduce a fee. I've seen warez sites shut the doors to members and get a nice income off of selling VIP to get back in so I'm sure it could work for tubes too.
Its an old business model anyway to build up on stolen/free then turn it over to being all legal just not everybody can do it in a money making way.

If tubes all start charging then the circle comes back around to paysites getting members just because people will begin to get used to porn requires a fee. The only problem is that now bandwidth is so cheap you will always have a few people with no business sense that will chase pageview stats rather than profit (still havn't seen any money stats on the person who complained about thehun).

Music used to only come as a whole tape/record/cd then there was Napster and now people seem happy to buy a lot of individual tracks. Not sure how to follow that example but it must be possible somehow.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by RP Fade

same here, all my friends surf tubes every day and don't understand our business model lol.

most people here dont understand their business model

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Are you sure you aren't a Bot, you just posted on both of my same posts. Something fishy.

If that is a bot, it is coded pretty damned well i must say. It would have to read the contents of a page, determine what the subject is about and form a sentence that is gramatically correct. Very impressive if it is a bot.

[ShellyCrash]

One thing to consider in this conversation though is that no one wants to feel stupid and come out and say they pay $$ for something everyone else is getting for free.

Alot of my guy friends will say at first, "I NEVER pay for porn!", because they think in one way or another I'm going to judge them for it- maybe they think they will look foolish for paying for something when there is so much free content or maybe they think I will think less of them for paying for it. I've found that if I preface it with making positive comments about paying for adult sites and throw out some models or site names they might recognise some of them own up to who's memberships they've been paying for, and yes, they are still buying.

I'm not saing for a minute the tubes didn't change the game, they may not be buying near as much, but they do still buy. My friends buy mostly solo girl sites where the girls have a non traditional look and strong personality, and to my surprise, Milf sites.

[tranza]

Whenever I interview someone for a job over here, I ask which porn sites they surf.

I'd say that over the past year, all o the replies have been some free porn tube site.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

If that is a bot, it is coded pretty damned well i must say. It would have to read the contents of a page, determine what the subject is about and form a sentence that is gramatically correct. Very impressive if it is a bot.

i think fatfoo is a hybrid - half-robot, half-philipino

[Jman]

That is why all your traffic should be sent to our dating sites... No Dating Tubes yet ;-)

OUi Oui!!!!

[bigalownz]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Theres 3 types of people still paying for porn:

- Those that are NOT netsavvy.
- Those that are interested in a niche that isnt on the tubes like mad.
- Those that fall madly in love with a pornmodel and want all their videos in the highest quality.

Oh and 4: People that want to surf porn on their phone, because they still have a hard time finding full free porn because flash isnt playing on their phones.

Put those together, and you may have a winner ;)

5: they have not been ripped of by a porn company

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by kane

I wrote this a while back in a different thread. I have a friend who had always been a porn buyer. He would join a site, stay a member for a few months then cancel and join another site. He told me he would be a paying member of a site for at least 11 out of 12 months per year. He found a few tube sites and hasn't joined a site in months and says he probably never will again. He isn't into anything niche, just likes regular hardcore stuff and there is more of that out there for free than you could watch in a lifetime.

I believe it. And that doesn't sound like a like, he sounds like an average surfer.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Theres 3 types of people still paying for porn:

- Those that are NOT netsavvy.
- Those that are interested in a niche that isnt on the tubes like mad.
- Those that fall madly in love with a pornmodel and want all their videos in the highest quality.

Oh and 4: People that want to surf porn on their phone, because they still have a hard time finding full free porn because flash isnt playing on their phones.

Put those together, and you may have a winner ;)

Very well said.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

That is why all your traffic should be sent to our dating sites... No Dating Tubes yet ;-)

OUi Oui!!!!

That's why I started our Cams Business. You can't steal a Live Show.