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xbizdon · 10-07-2010, 10:07 AM

XBIZ NEWS: FSC Announces Breakthrough With Tube Sites

CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today that several tube sites have agreed to implement the FSC?s Anti-Piracy Action Program (APAP) and use the program?s software technology to flag infringing content and prevent users from posting material that is not legal for them to post.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/126079

davecummings · 10-07-2010, 10:18 AM

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations, and thanks, to FSC and all the participants!!!

chronig · 10-07-2010, 10:20 AM

lolwhat? I don't get it

All popular tubes with pirated material are in-house uploaded...

Agreeing to implement something like this - they might as well just agree to be 100% legal and/or shutdown...

_Richard_ · 10-07-2010, 10:21 AM

big congrats!

gumdrop · 10-07-2010, 10:22 AM

Great...now if they can stop that .XXX dip shit.

xxxjay · 10-07-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by xbizdon

XBIZ NEWS: FSC Announces Breakthrough With Tube Sites

CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today that several tube sites have agreed to implement the FSC?s Anti-Piracy Action Program (APAP) and use the program?s software technology to flag infringing content and prevent users from posting material that is not legal for them to post.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/126079

The tube guys just pulled the wool over the eyes of the FSC guys. Come on people...does anyone really believe that legions of porn surfers are wasting hours a day, bandwidth, and locking down their computers for hours to upload content????!!!

The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. Let me repeat that: The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. And again, the tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers! The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers, ok??

I know Jeffery Douglas from FSC and he's a smart guy, I'm surprised that everyone (studios included) are allowing themselves to get duped like this.

In a word: LAME!!

Alprazolam · 10-07-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

The tube guys just pulled the wool over the eyes of the FSC guys. Come on people...does anyone really believe that legions of porn surfers are wasting hours a day, bandwidth, and locking down their computers for hours to upload content????!!!

The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. Let me repeat that: The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. And again, the tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers! The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers, ok??

I know Jeffery Douglas from FSC and he's a smart guy, I'm surprised that everyone (studios included) are allowing themselves to get duped like this.

In a word: LAME!!

nice to see an intelligent person posting.

gumdrop · 10-07-2010, 10:33 AM

Interesting....never thought of it that way.

Allison · 10-07-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

The tube guys just pulled the wool over the eyes of the FSC guys. Come on people...does anyone really believe that legions of porn surfers are wasting hours a day, bandwidth, and locking down their computers for hours to upload content????!!!

The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. Let me repeat that: The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. And again, the tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers! The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers, ok??

I know Jeffery Douglas from FSC and he's a smart guy, I'm surprised that everyone (studios included) are allowing themselves to get duped like this.

In a word: LAME!!

Jay, with the FSC's solution here it would apply to anything uploaded no matter who you believe it was uploaded by or even if you believe it was skimmed from other sites. So the end result is that anything that goes on a tube that they don't have rights to & matches a digital finger print, would not go live.

I realize that still the conflicts of perception over the uploading might tick you off, but it would not impact the end result.

Xbiz_Lyla · 10-07-2010, 10:37 AM

Jman · 10-07-2010, 10:37 AM

Xxxjay stop confusing people by making sense. Great post btw

signupdamnit · 10-07-2010, 10:37 AM

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A racket is an illegal business, usually run as part of organized crime. Engaging in a racket is called racketeering.

Several forms of racket exist. The best-known is the protection racket, in which criminals demand money from businesses in exchange for the service of "protection" against crimes that the racketeers themselves instigate if unpaid (see extortion). A second well known example is the numbers racket, a form of illegal lottery.

Traditionally, the word racket is used to describe a business that is based on the example of the "protection racket" and indicates that the speaker believes that the business is making money by selling a solution to a problem that the business itself created (or that it intentionally allows to continue to exist), specifically so that continuous purchases of the solution are always needed. Example: in a protection racket, a representative from the racket informs a storeowner that a fee of more than 1000 dollars will be required every month for protection money, though the "protection" that is provided comes in the form of the racket itself not causing damage to the store or its employees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racket_%28crime%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

dyna mo · 10-07-2010, 10:38 AM

fsc doesn't really have a stellar record of providing value.

Roald · 10-07-2010, 10:38 AM

I am really wondering how this will turn out. The good thing imho is that people are starting to work together.

Time will tell.

JustDaveXxx · 10-07-2010, 10:44 AM

Thats nice. Now get something like that for the torrent sites.

bloggerz · 10-07-2010, 10:46 AM

that's hilarious

Alprazolam · 10-07-2010, 10:48 AM

all a tube site has to do is just disallow the bot from vobile via robots.txt or meta tag, etc. game over. at the end of the day you're depending on criminal minds to be reasonable and follow the rules. lots of these tubes have mirror backups that resync all removed content back to the live servers whenever they feel like it. allegedly.

Dreamteam · 10-07-2010, 10:52 AM

LOL

So pornhub started with stolen content .. they've build up a whole tube empire with stolen content. And now after they've made millions of dollars they remove all the questionable content (ofcourse now they can because they've made enough money to buy licened content) and they work together with FSC to eliminate all the other tubes ...

hahahah what a joke

RycEric · 10-07-2010, 10:53 AM

Gil should read up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

Just saying..

dyna mo · 10-07-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamteam

LOL

So pornhub started with stolen content .. they've build up a while tube empire with stolen content. And now after they've made millions of dollars they remove all the questionable content (ofcourse now they can because they've made enough money to buy licened content) and they work together with FSC to eliminate all the other tubes ...

hahahah what a joke

it's a tried and true old school online adult business model. look up dogfart. steal content, get huge, go legit.

Zyber · 10-07-2010, 10:56 AM

More "good guys" have gone bad. Sad.

The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) which has fought hard on our side to protect us against .xxx (lots of respect, and thanks a lot) has now teamed up with the pirates in the extortion scheme.

"Pay us $400 per month, or else our business partners will steal your content"

What a sad day, indeed.

So we have lost our only industry organisation.
No one represents the adult industry anymore. R.I.P.

signupdamnit · 10-07-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreamteam

LOL

So pornhub started with stolen content .. they've build up a while tube empire with stolen content. And now after they've made millions of dollars they remove all the questionable content (ofcourse now they can because they've made enough money to buy licened content) and they work together with FSC to eliminate all the other tubes ...

hahahah what a joke

Also how *exactly* are the revenue from the fees being split up between all parties involved? This question has not been answered in public yet as far as I can see. I think it should be declared. Depending on the way this is done this could very easily be considered Racketeering in my opinion.

MrRob · 10-07-2010, 11:04 AM

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So pornhub started with stolen content .. they've build up a whole tube empire with stolen content.

Youtube 101

Redrob · 10-07-2010, 11:04 AM

It is a start. There are many more tubesites and torrents that are not legit. Perhaps this will set a precedent and show the illegal sites that there is another way.

I only hope for the best.

Sarah_Jayne · 10-07-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's a tried and true old school online adult business model. look up dogfart. steal content, get huge, go legit.

Many tgps started the same way and that is why in so many ways tubes are the TGPs of the day. You start off by taking 'public domain' stuff that you know not to be and then once you have the traffic and people start to notice you have been stealing you go 'legit'.

JosephFM · 10-07-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

The tube guys just pulled the wool over the eyes of the FSC guys. Come on people...does anyone really believe that legions of porn surfers are wasting hours a day, bandwidth, and locking down their computers for hours to upload content????!!!

The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. Let me repeat that: The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. And again, the tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers. The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers! The tube guys are uploading these videos, not surfers, ok??

I know Jeffery Douglas from FSC and he's a smart guy, I'm surprised that everyone (studios included) are allowing themselves to get duped like this.

In a word: LAME!!

Exactly!

TDF · 10-07-2010, 11:18 AM

digital extortion

signupdamnit · 10-07-2010, 11:20 AM

More information and discussion: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=990606

rhizome · 10-07-2010, 11:30 AM

Isn't this the 2257 lawsuit all over again? Would the FSC even exist if it wasn't supported by companies with big pockets like TopBucks willing to sell out the rest of the industry? So what now? This is great for the tubes as they now have the support of all the big production companies willing to pay the FSC through their ass. All the other content floating around which probably represents 95%+ of the content populating the tube sites will remain available illegally for free. The tubes will say look if you want your content removed we're willing to help, just pay the FSC. Meanwhile all the big studios, the only ones with the capital to file lawsuits will be standing there right behind their new best friends in support.

You're right Allison, the original press release detailing a settlement was misleading as this is much worse.

Half man, Half Amazing · 10-07-2010, 11:31 AM

I hear ThePirateBay and Rapidshare are also signing up.

hahahahaah just kidding....man I couldn't say that with a straight face!

I'm sure Russia and Netherlands based piracy sites are lining up to remove their money making content and replace them with ads. Line forms to the left.

Alprazolam · 10-07-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Many tgps started the same way and that is why in so many ways tubes are the TGPs of the day. You start off by taking 'public domain' stuff that you know not to be and then once you have the traffic and people start to notice you have been stealing you go 'legit'.

public domain huh?

you can stop right there. you know dick about copyright and it's laws.

FG_Travis · 10-07-2010, 11:45 AM

Good Info!

Mr. Cool Ice · 10-07-2010, 12:00 PM

How many tubes does Brazzers own?

Who do you think owns the handful of tubes who are on board with this?

Pink Visual was suing Brazzers just a week ago, now they join together with the the experts in piracy (The Free Speech Coalition) for this?

Someone please just shoot me in the fucking head and be done with it.

Sarah_Jayne · 10-07-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alprazolam

public domain huh?

you can stop right there. you know dick about copyright and it's laws.

right..did you see ' in front and behind the words ?

I was talking about back when TGPS started and people would a bogus disclaimer on them that they were using content that they found and believed to be in the public domain. All the while knowing that there was no such thing but thinking it would cover their ass.

So, yes I do understand.

Martin · 10-07-2010, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamteam

LOL

So pornhub started with stolen content .. they've build up a whole tube empire with stolen content. And now after they've made millions of dollars they remove all the questionable content (ofcourse now they can because they've made enough money to buy licened content) and they work together with FSC to eliminate all the other tubes ...

hahahah what a joke

Seems to be the way things get started up online. The Hun started by hot linking to picture content.

dyna mo · 10-07-2010, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash

Many tgps started the same way and that is why in so many ways tubes are the TGPs of the day. You start off by taking 'public domain' stuff that you know not to be and then once you have the traffic and people start to notice you have been stealing you go 'legit'.

yup eh. ..

dyna mo · 10-07-2010, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhizome

Isn't this the 2257 lawsuit all over again? Would the FSC even exist if it wasn't supported by companies with big pockets like TopBucks willing to sell out the rest of the industry? So what now? This is great for the tubes as they now have the support of all the big production companies willing to pay the FSC through their ass. All the other content floating around which probably represents 95%+ of the content populating the tube sites will remain available illegally for free. The tubes will say look if you want your content removed we're willing to help, just pay the FSC. Meanwhile all the big studios, the only ones with the capital to file lawsuits will be standing there right behind their new best friends in support.

You're right Allison, the original press release detailing a settlement was misleading as this is much worse.

yup, the fsc did a stand-up/top-notch job on that.

yay.

xxxjay · 10-07-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Allison

Jay, with the FSC's solution here it would apply to anything uploaded no matter who you believe it was uploaded by or even if you believe it was skimmed from other sites. So the end result is that anything that goes on a tube that they don't have rights to & matches a digital finger print, would not go live.

So this whole tube thing...it's just done? Right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allison

I realize that still the conflicts of perception over the uploading might tick you off, but it would not impact the end result.

So this whole tube thing...it's just done?

Sweet.

LOL

Redrob · 10-07-2010, 08:39 PM

Diane Duke of FSC explains:

"I?ll begin with the complaints. First, signupdamnit writes, ?I think the digital fingerprinting technology should be far cheaper and more open.? I find this statement to be the most ironic comment in the entire thread, yet it seems to represent an attitude that is quite pervasive. Vobile, the software company with which FSC has contracted, expects to be paid a fair price for their intellectual property. They have invested millions upon millions of dollars in this technology, there is an expense to operating and administering these information systems, and they are business people who would like to see a return on their investment. One would think that a group of content owners could sympathize with the fact that Vobile is not willing to give away their intellectual property or to sell their services at a loss. (If you think that Vobile?s prices have been inflated, that they are making more than a reasonable return on their investment, I strongly encourage you to check out the other providers?BayTSP for example, an excellent company that offers a product/services very similar to Vobile?s.)

Second, signupdamnit believes that he ?should not be required to work with any one organization or provider.? Yes, in order to participate in APAP, you must be a member of FSC. FSC invested months upon months of work and incurred significant expenses in order to design APAP as a Member?s Benefit. Membership Benefits, for any membership organization, are available to those who pay membership dues/fees. Again, I would think that this would be a relatively simple concept for webmasters who run membership sites. Would you open up your ?member?s only? area to people who haven?t purchased a membership simply because they don?t think it?s ?fair.??

Third, several people have claimed that APAP is a cash grab. Others claim that it is a struggle for FSC?s relevance. And yet others claim that it is outside the scope of FSC?s Strategic Plan. The Free Speech Coalition is a 501(c)6?a membership organization/trade association. More specifically, FSC is a group of adult entertainment companies that came together to collaborate on litigating, lobbying, educating, collective bargaining, bulk purchasing, etc. It is a group of adult companies, funded by adult companies, and governed by adult companies. (Here, I have to correct Robbie. Robbie claims that FSC is ?supposed to be representing a consortium of adult companies in first amendment cases.? FSC was never and is not now limited to First Amendment issues in its mission. I?ll be the first person to acknowledge that this name is misleading and unfortunate?I wish to hell the founders had chosen something different. While the founders were right in that the name is more politically palatable to the mainstream than something like ?The Pornographer?s Union,? it has led to nothing but misconceptions within the industry. I want to be clear on this. FSC?s mission is: to lead, protect and support the growth and development of the adult entertainment community.

Every year, the entire FSC membership elects members to its Board of Directors. Every three years, these elected representatives develop a Strategic Plan. In the Strategic Plan, they answer the questions, ?What are our highest priorities?? They ask, ?What issues are relevant to us?? ?Over the next three years, what should the scope of our work be?? ?How do we want to spend our money--the money that we, collectively as members, have pooled for this purpose??

The vast majority of issues/problems addressed by FSC require a tremendous expense, and membership dues are used to cover those expenses. When FSC fights .xxx, we don?t make any money; we spend a great deal of money. When FSC fights Cal/OSHA, AHF, and the LA Country Department of Health in order to prevent mandatory condoms, we don?t make any money; we spend a great deal of money. When FSC fights Calderon and his 25% tax on adult products, we don?t make any money; we spend a great deal of money. Despite the fact that these issues affect the entire industry, those companies who pay FSC membership dues shoulder the entire burden. And, it?s important to note that FSC?s membership dues have not increased by one single penny in 30 years. Now, FSC has developed a program to fight piracy, and because we developed a pricing structure that covers the cost of hiring an attorney and administering the program, we are being accused of a ?cash grab.? Unbelievable.

If, despite the reality of what FSC is, you believe that FSC is some sort of nefarious group of parasites feasting on the profits of the adult industry, if you believe that FSC is really some secret group of opportunists living in million dollar Malibu mansions, do not join. Do not become a member. Do not give FSC one single penny. Problem solved. You have nothing more to bitch about.

Now, for those interested in looking forward and who are open to a thoughtful and organized approach to addressing the problem of piracy, both Robbie?s and Allison?s comments make is clear that I have done a poor job in communicating exactly how we got to where we are today. So, I?d like to take this opportunity to correct my mistake and tell you the story of how APAP came to be.

It began, not months ago, as Allison wrote, but rather two years ago, when FSC?s Board of Directors acknowledged the fact that ad hoc approaches to the problem were not working, that FSC had been remiss in not addressing this issue earlier, and that an organized strategy against piracy would be one of the coalition?s strategic priorities. As directed by the Board, I immediately began work on a piracy project plan.

While I do have some expertise in collective bargaining and negotiations, I have limited knowledge of that for which I was negotiating?tools that could be used to fight piracy. On Nov. 18, 2008, FSC hosted an anti-piracy summit. Speakers included Dean Garfield, Executive VP, MPAA; Lawrence Kanusher, Senior VP, Sony Music; David Kaplan, VP, Warner Bros. Studios; David Ring, VP, UMG Recordings; Steve Kang, Senior Counsel, NBC-Universal; Alasdair McMullan, Senior VP, EMI Music, Michael Huppe, General Counsel, SoundExchange; Jennifer Pariser, Senior Counsel, Sony Music; Scott Coffman, President, AEBN; Steve Hirsch, Managing Partner, Vivid Entertainment; and a number of attorneys from Jenner & Block and attorneys from Mitchell, Silbergber & Knupp.

In addition to educating myself and others about the technological solutions available and what other industries were doing, I began to ask our members, practically individually, how we should approach the problem of piracy. In January 2008, at AEE, I had dinner with Scott Coffman (AEBN), Ilan Buni (Gamelink), Eric Johnson (Sureflix), and Richard Cohen (Hotmovies). We spent hours talking about how piracy has affected their companies and the various ways that they would like FSC to proceed in finding tools and developing programs to fight it.

Then, at the xbiz conference in February, we held a meeting with producers, to discuss approaches to piracy. In attendance at that meeting were Phil Harvey and Bob Johnson (Adam & Eve), Steve Hirsch (Vivid), Theresa Flynt and Michael Klein (Hustler), Ali Joone and Samantha Lewis (Digital Playgroung), Rob Novinger and Tony Rios (Channel One), Steve Orenstein and Avi Bitton (Wicked), Bruce Lehay and Keith Webb (Titan), Frank Koretsky (IVD/Pleasure), Christian Mann and John Stagliano (Evil Angel), and Christopher Alexander (Anabolic).

Over the next year, we continued to meet. This group came up with ideas, met with our mainstream counterparts to see what they were doing about copyright infringement, met with tube sites, piloted a few mass-DMCA takedown targets, and organized multi-plaintiff litigation.

It became immediately apparent to all involved that our industry was underdeveloped as far as the technology needed to combat piracy. We met with the companies our mainstream counterparts recommended. During our initial conversations with these companies, we found that, typically, studios pay $30,000 monthly for their services. We negotiated with a number of companies and were able to develop a system where FSC would purchase the product for participating members. Through aggressive negotiations and bulk purchasing we have been able to save FSC members tens of thousands. Throughout the negotiations we made it clear that if the program did not work for the smallest of companies, it would not work at all. Now a studio can track their material, send takedown notices and receive the rest of the APAP benefits for as little as $400/month. That is a marked improvement over $30k for software alone.

FSC contracted with Gill Sperlein a very successful and aggressive copyright infringement attorney and Gill oversees the program that launched last April. APAP is a month to month program because we want to make sure that adult businesses do not feel trapped into a program they don?t like. No one has dropped the program since its inception and we have had many new members. APAP continues to grow and change as we are in constant contact with participants responding to their needs and feedback.

This week we announced that a number of tubesites have agreed to utilize APAP?s software program to block content from going up on their sites. Not only will the software block pirated content from going up, but also offer an opportunity for the content provider to monetize the traffic-the multi million viewers coming to these sites.

At the request of our participants, we are developing the same platform for filesharing sites and will roll that out by month?s end.

Working with Vobile, FSC?s APAP program will stay on the cutting edge of copyright infringement technology and working with our member participants we will continue to build on this ground-breaking program."

PXN · 10-07-2010, 09:15 PM

@ Diana Duke, thank for taking your time and clarifying some points and for even pointing out your own mistakes. Would it be possible for you to list all future tubes that will be participated in the program on FSC/APAP? Right now there are only a tiny list of tubes participating, but if the list grow to hundreds than thousands and webmaster see this, it may make some freesite owner think twice before deciding to convert their sites to an illegal tube.

My other questions is, if a tube site that only show video which are scraped from another tube site that participate in FSC/APAP program like PH, then:

1) does that tube need to join FSC/APAP? (I'm asking this because if videos from say, PH already have been "checked" by the digital fingerprinting technology then video on the other tube site will also would have been checked and approved - assuming that site is only scraping and does not allow user to upload)

2) regardless if it violate PH term of service or not (people don't care about PH) does it violate FSC/APAP policy?

I notice you did not post the message but it would be nice if you could have Redrob post the answer.

Thanks. PXN

davecummings · 10-07-2010, 09:19 PM

Well, I am personally VERY thankful for Diane Duke and FSC; and, I think the Adult Entertainment Industry should be extremely happy with FSC, and support it with funding and appreciation for the fine work FSC does (just re-read the above---Diane and FSC are AWESOME!!!). Let's stop complaining; let's start helping; and let's be positive and supportive.

SomeCreep · 10-07-2010, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xbizdon

XBIZ NEWS: FSC Announces Breakthrough With Tube Sites

CANOGA PARK, Calif. — Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today that several tube sites have agreed to implement the FSC’s Anti-Piracy Action Program (APAP) and use the program’s software technology to flag infringing content and prevent users from posting material that is not legal for them to post.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/126079

That's funny to hear all those big tube sites which have already made millions and I do mean MILLIONS of dollars from stolen content say, "We're against piracy." I believe this new agreement with the tubes and the FSC is nothing more than politics. And yes, I am a cynic.

gleem · 10-07-2010, 09:23 PM

Congrats, you built your empire on stealing content, and now you have duped FSC involved to further create a smokescreen of legitimacy. Congrats to all the pirates and leeches, you have won you buncha Don Corleons in the shadows with your paid off officials and spokespeople on the frontline now spreading the gospel of the legal tubes you say you are now.

If you are legal disable the surfer upload features, then talk to us, but you can't, cause then your in house uploaders won't be able to upload stolen shit and blame it on the surfers.

gleem · 10-07-2010, 09:30 PM

lol, another line that comes to mind thinking of the mega tube sites "Too big to sue" I mean if topbucks couldn't get em in court... shit.

DWB · 10-07-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

Congrats, you built your empire on stealing content, and now you have duped FSC involved to further create a smokescreen of legitimacy. Congrats to all the pirates and leeches, you have won with your paid off officials and spokespeople on the front line, now spreading the gospel of the legal tubes you say you are now.

Brilliant plan really. And it worked.

This whole thing is like when some twisted father molests his daughter for a long time and seriously fucks her head up, but in the end she actually forgets about the pain and enjoys the sex, wanting to please him in return.

NetHorse · 10-07-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xbizdon

to flag infringing content and prevent users from posting material that is not legal for them to post.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

What a crock of shit. 98% of the videos are uploaded by the owners themselves. Try uploading a sponsor clip to a major illegal tube site, it gets queued for moderator approval, (and most of the times they won't approve it unless you're advertising with them). They've always had control over which clips are viewed on their sites. They only claim they have no control over what users upload for legal reasons.

This doesn't change anything.

PornstarXS · 10-07-2010, 09:53 PM

Am i to assume the large tube sites are on board to force any smaller tube sites ever surpassing their strangleholds? kind of like the mafia starting a legit security service after they've killed their competition, stolen their competition's money, stolen their competition's assets and then positioning themselves to make new rules that everyone should adhere to. In the end to protect their own asses and business. How about these Axis Porn Powers pay back some porn reparations if they really cared. A bunch of phonies.

Lol funny comments by those tube owners in that xbiz article. They just sound like televangelists to me. Deny their wrong doings, shed a fake tear, the devil did it and lets start a crusade against the evil-doers and we need your donations.

I remember when a certain tube site started off and it seemed like all the uploader profiles were from montreal. lol nothing more fun than uploading copyright movies, watching the habs and eating poutine.

RycEric · 10-07-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

What a crock of shit. 98% of the videos are uploaded by the owners themselves. Try uploading a sponsor clip to a major illegal tube site, it gets queued for moderator approval, (and most of the times they won't approve it unless you're advertising with them). They've always had control over which clips are viewed on their sites. They only claim they have no control over what users upload for legal reasons.

This doesn't change anything.

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cosis · 10-07-2010, 10:07 PM

SteveLightspeed · 10-07-2010, 10:39 PM

Biting my tongue here.

Steve Lightspeed

10-07-2010, 10:07 AM	#1
xbizdon Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 221	XBIZ NEWS: FSC Announces Breakthrough With Tube Sites XBIZ NEWS: FSC Announces Breakthrough With Tube Sites CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today that several tube sites have agreed to implement the FSC?s Anti-Piracy Action Program (APAP) and use the program?s software technology to flag infringing content and prevent users from posting material that is not legal for them to post. http://www.xbiz.com/news/126079 __________________ Don Parret Editor/Publications Director XBIZ™ \| The Industry Source Adnet Media [email protected] Tel: 310.820.0228 x 701

10-07-2010, 10:18 AM	#2
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations, and thanks, to FSC and all the participants!!! __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

10-07-2010, 10:22 AM	#5
gumdrop Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 482	Great...now if they can stop that .XXX dip shit. __________________ I am NOT Godaddy! Most excellent Domains & Cheap Hosting “Buy an iPad, kill a Chinaman” - Brendan O’Neill

10-07-2010, 10:33 AM	#8
gumdrop Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 482	Interesting....never thought of it that way. __________________ I am NOT Godaddy! Most excellent Domains & Cheap Hosting “Buy an iPad, kill a Chinaman” - Brendan O’Neill

10-07-2010, 10:37 AM	#10
Xbiz_Lyla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 36	__________________ Lyla Katz XBIZ™ \| The Industry Source

10-07-2010, 10:20 AM	#3
chronig Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,653	lolwhat? I don't get it All popular tubes with pirated material are in-house uploaded... Agreeing to implement something like this - they might as well just agree to be 100% legal and/or shutdown...

10-07-2010, 10:21 AM	#4
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	big congrats!

10-07-2010, 10:37 AM	#11
Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,723	Xxxjay stop confusing people by making sense. Great post btw __________________ Wowify AI API Porn.AI Affiliates Porn AI email: [email protected] Teams: jean.francois.laverdiere TG: @jman1216

10-07-2010, 10:38 AM	#13
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,899	fsc doesn't really have a stellar record of providing value.

10-07-2010, 10:38 AM	#14
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,884	I am really wondering how this will turn out. The good thing imho is that people are starting to work together. Time will tell. __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

10-07-2010, 10:44 AM	#15
JustDaveXxx I AM JUSTDAVE ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LA Posts: 4,111	Thats nice. Now get something like that for the torrent sites. __________________ Smut Peddler Productions.com ICQ #378-696-435 / / Skype: JustDaveXxx "We shoot custom, exclusive content your way"

10-07-2010, 10:46 AM	#16
bloggerz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 16,256	that's hilarious __________________ I SELL ADULT BACKLINKS! Email: eroticweb>gmail SKYPE: gfybloggerz $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

10-07-2010, 10:48 AM	#17
Alprazolam So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 864	all a tube site has to do is just disallow the bot from vobile via robots.txt or meta tag, etc. game over. at the end of the day you're depending on criminal minds to be reasonable and follow the rules. lots of these tubes have mirror backups that resync all removed content back to the live servers whenever they feel like it. allegedly.

10-07-2010, 10:52 AM	#18
Dreamteam Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 472	LOL So pornhub started with stolen content .. they've build up a whole tube empire with stolen content. And now after they've made millions of dollars they remove all the questionable content (ofcourse now they can because they've made enough money to buy licened content) and they work together with FSC to eliminate all the other tubes ... hahahah what a joke Last edited by Dreamteam; 10-07-2010 at 10:58 AM..

10-07-2010, 10:53 AM	#19
RycEric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,313	Gil should read up on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference Just saying..

10-07-2010, 10:56 AM	#21
Zyber Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 832	More "good guys" have gone bad. Sad. The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) which has fought hard on our side to protect us against .xxx (lots of respect, and thanks a lot) has now teamed up with the pirates in the extortion scheme. "Pay us $400 per month, or else our business partners will steal your content" What a sad day, indeed. So we have lost our only industry organisation. No one represents the adult industry anymore. R.I.P.

10-07-2010, 11:04 AM	#24
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	It is a start. There are many more tubesites and torrents that are not legit. Perhaps this will set a precedent and show the illegal sites that there is another way. I only hope for the best.

10-07-2010, 11:18 AM	#27
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	digital extortion __________________ Sig heil

10-07-2010, 11:20 AM	#28
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	More information and discussion: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=990606

10-07-2010, 11:30 AM	#29
rhizome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 788	Isn't this the 2257 lawsuit all over again? Would the FSC even exist if it wasn't supported by companies with big pockets like TopBucks willing to sell out the rest of the industry? So what now? This is great for the tubes as they now have the support of all the big production companies willing to pay the FSC through their ass. All the other content floating around which probably represents 95%+ of the content populating the tube sites will remain available illegally for free. The tubes will say look if you want your content removed we're willing to help, just pay the FSC. Meanwhile all the big studios, the only ones with the capital to file lawsuits will be standing there right behind their new best friends in support. You're right Allison, the original press release detailing a settlement was misleading as this is much worse.

10-07-2010, 11:31 AM	#30
Half man, Half Amazing Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Capital Wasteland, DC Posts: 372	I hear ThePirateBay and Rapidshare are also signing up. hahahahaah just kidding....man I couldn't say that with a straight face! I'm sure Russia and Netherlands based piracy sites are lining up to remove their money making content and replace them with ads. Line forms to the left.

10-07-2010, 11:45 AM	#32
FG_Travis Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 34	Good Info!

10-07-2010, 12:00 PM	#33
Mr. Cool Ice Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,289	How many tubes does Brazzers own? Who do you think owns the handful of tubes who are on board with this? Pink Visual was suing Brazzers just a week ago, now they join together with the the experts in piracy (The Free Speech Coalition) for this? Someone please just shoot me in the fucking head and be done with it. __________________ One Love NUR COOL UND GEIL

10-07-2010, 08:39 PM	#39
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	Diane Duke of FSC explains: "I?ll begin with the complaints. First, signupdamnit writes, ?I think the digital fingerprinting technology should be far cheaper and more open.? I find this statement to be the most ironic comment in the entire thread, yet it seems to represent an attitude that is quite pervasive. Vobile, the software company with which FSC has contracted, expects to be paid a fair price for their intellectual property. They have invested millions upon millions of dollars in this technology, there is an expense to operating and administering these information systems, and they are business people who would like to see a return on their investment. One would think that a group of content owners could sympathize with the fact that Vobile is not willing to give away their intellectual property or to sell their services at a loss. (If you think that Vobile?s prices have been inflated, that they are making more than a reasonable return on their investment, I strongly encourage you to check out the other providers?BayTSP for example, an excellent company that offers a product/services very similar to Vobile?s.) Second, signupdamnit believes that he ?should not be required to work with any one organization or provider.? Yes, in order to participate in APAP, you must be a member of FSC. FSC invested months upon months of work and incurred significant expenses in order to design APAP as a Member?s Benefit. Membership Benefits, for any membership organization, are available to those who pay membership dues/fees. Again, I would think that this would be a relatively simple concept for webmasters who run membership sites. Would you open up your ?member?s only? area to people who haven?t purchased a membership simply because they don?t think it?s ?fair.?? Third, several people have claimed that APAP is a cash grab. Others claim that it is a struggle for FSC?s relevance. And yet others claim that it is outside the scope of FSC?s Strategic Plan. The Free Speech Coalition is a 501(c)6?a membership organization/trade association. More specifically, FSC is a group of adult entertainment companies that came together to collaborate on litigating, lobbying, educating, collective bargaining, bulk purchasing, etc. It is a group of adult companies, funded by adult companies, and governed by adult companies. (Here, I have to correct Robbie. Robbie claims that FSC is ?supposed to be representing a consortium of adult companies in first amendment cases.? FSC was never and is not now limited to First Amendment issues in its mission. I?ll be the first person to acknowledge that this name is misleading and unfortunate?I wish to hell the founders had chosen something different. While the founders were right in that the name is more politically palatable to the mainstream than something like ?The Pornographer?s Union,? it has led to nothing but misconceptions within the industry. I want to be clear on this. FSC?s mission is: to lead, protect and support the growth and development of the adult entertainment community. Every year, the entire FSC membership elects members to its Board of Directors. Every three years, these elected representatives develop a Strategic Plan. In the Strategic Plan, they answer the questions, ?What are our highest priorities?? They ask, ?What issues are relevant to us?? ?Over the next three years, what should the scope of our work be?? ?How do we want to spend our money--the money that we, collectively as members, have pooled for this purpose?? The vast majority of issues/problems addressed by FSC require a tremendous expense, and membership dues are used to cover those expenses. When FSC fights .xxx, we don?t make any money; we spend a great deal of money. When FSC fights Cal/OSHA, AHF, and the LA Country Department of Health in order to prevent mandatory condoms, we don?t make any money; we spend a great deal of money. When FSC fights Calderon and his 25% tax on adult products, we don?t make any money; we spend a great deal of money. Despite the fact that these issues affect the entire industry, those companies who pay FSC membership dues shoulder the entire burden. And, it?s important to note that FSC?s membership dues have not increased by one single penny in 30 years. Now, FSC has developed a program to fight piracy, and because we developed a pricing structure that covers the cost of hiring an attorney and administering the program, we are being accused of a ?cash grab.? Unbelievable. If, despite the reality of what FSC is, you believe that FSC is some sort of nefarious group of parasites feasting on the profits of the adult industry, if you believe that FSC is really some secret group of opportunists living in million dollar Malibu mansions, do not join. Do not become a member. Do not give FSC one single penny. Problem solved. You have nothing more to bitch about. Now, for those interested in looking forward and who are open to a thoughtful and organized approach to addressing the problem of piracy, both Robbie?s and Allison?s comments make is clear that I have done a poor job in communicating exactly how we got to where we are today. So, I?d like to take this opportunity to correct my mistake and tell you the story of how APAP came to be. It began, not months ago, as Allison wrote, but rather two years ago, when FSC?s Board of Directors acknowledged the fact that ad hoc approaches to the problem were not working, that FSC had been remiss in not addressing this issue earlier, and that an organized strategy against piracy would be one of the coalition?s strategic priorities. As directed by the Board, I immediately began work on a piracy project plan. While I do have some expertise in collective bargaining and negotiations, I have limited knowledge of that for which I was negotiating?tools that could be used to fight piracy. On Nov. 18, 2008, FSC hosted an anti-piracy summit. Speakers included Dean Garfield, Executive VP, MPAA; Lawrence Kanusher, Senior VP, Sony Music; David Kaplan, VP, Warner Bros. Studios; David Ring, VP, UMG Recordings; Steve Kang, Senior Counsel, NBC-Universal; Alasdair McMullan, Senior VP, EMI Music, Michael Huppe, General Counsel, SoundExchange; Jennifer Pariser, Senior Counsel, Sony Music; Scott Coffman, President, AEBN; Steve Hirsch, Managing Partner, Vivid Entertainment; and a number of attorneys from Jenner & Block and attorneys from Mitchell, Silbergber & Knupp. In addition to educating myself and others about the technological solutions available and what other industries were doing, I began to ask our members, practically individually, how we should approach the problem of piracy. In January 2008, at AEE, I had dinner with Scott Coffman (AEBN), Ilan Buni (Gamelink), Eric Johnson (Sureflix), and Richard Cohen (Hotmovies). We spent hours talking about how piracy has affected their companies and the various ways that they would like FSC to proceed in finding tools and developing programs to fight it. Then, at the xbiz conference in February, we held a meeting with producers, to discuss approaches to piracy. In attendance at that meeting were Phil Harvey and Bob Johnson (Adam & Eve), Steve Hirsch (Vivid), Theresa Flynt and Michael Klein (Hustler), Ali Joone and Samantha Lewis (Digital Playgroung), Rob Novinger and Tony Rios (Channel One), Steve Orenstein and Avi Bitton (Wicked), Bruce Lehay and Keith Webb (Titan), Frank Koretsky (IVD/Pleasure), Christian Mann and John Stagliano (Evil Angel), and Christopher Alexander (Anabolic). Over the next year, we continued to meet. This group came up with ideas, met with our mainstream counterparts to see what they were doing about copyright infringement, met with tube sites, piloted a few mass-DMCA takedown targets, and organized multi-plaintiff litigation. It became immediately apparent to all involved that our industry was underdeveloped as far as the technology needed to combat piracy. We met with the companies our mainstream counterparts recommended. During our initial conversations with these companies, we found that, typically, studios pay $30,000 monthly for their services. We negotiated with a number of companies and were able to develop a system where FSC would purchase the product for participating members. Through aggressive negotiations and bulk purchasing we have been able to save FSC members tens of thousands. Throughout the negotiations we made it clear that if the program did not work for the smallest of companies, it would not work at all. Now a studio can track their material, send takedown notices and receive the rest of the APAP benefits for as little as $400/month. That is a marked improvement over $30k for software alone. FSC contracted with Gill Sperlein a very successful and aggressive copyright infringement attorney and Gill oversees the program that launched last April. APAP is a month to month program because we want to make sure that adult businesses do not feel trapped into a program they don?t like. No one has dropped the program since its inception and we have had many new members. APAP continues to grow and change as we are in constant contact with participants responding to their needs and feedback. This week we announced that a number of tubesites have agreed to utilize APAP?s software program to block content from going up on their sites. Not only will the software block pirated content from going up, but also offer an opportunity for the content provider to monetize the traffic-the multi million viewers coming to these sites. At the request of our participants, we are developing the same platform for filesharing sites and will roll that out by month?s end. Working with Vobile, FSC?s APAP program will stay on the cutting edge of copyright infringement technology and working with our member participants we will continue to build on this ground-breaking program."

10-07-2010, 09:15 PM	#40
PXN Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,548	@ Diana Duke, thank for taking your time and clarifying some points and for even pointing out your own mistakes. Would it be possible for you to list all future tubes that will be participated in the program on FSC/APAP? Right now there are only a tiny list of tubes participating, but if the list grow to hundreds than thousands and webmaster see this, it may make some freesite owner think twice before deciding to convert their sites to an illegal tube. My other questions is, if a tube site that only show video which are scraped from another tube site that participate in FSC/APAP program like PH, then: 1) does that tube need to join FSC/APAP? (I'm asking this because if videos from say, PH already have been "checked" by the digital fingerprinting technology then video on the other tube site will also would have been checked and approved - assuming that site is only scraping and does not allow user to upload) 2) regardless if it violate PH term of service or not (people don't care about PH) does it violate FSC/APAP policy? I notice you did not post the message but it would be nice if you could have Redrob post the answer. Thanks. PXN Last edited by PXN; 10-07-2010 at 09:18 PM..

10-07-2010, 09:19 PM	#41
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	Well, I am personally VERY thankful for Diane Duke and FSC; and, I think the Adult Entertainment Industry should be extremely happy with FSC, and support it with funding and appreciation for the fine work FSC does (just re-read the above---Diane and FSC are AWESOME!!!). Let's stop complaining; let's start helping; and let's be positive and supportive. __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected]

10-07-2010, 09:23 PM	#43
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	Congrats, you built your empire on stealing content, and now you have duped FSC involved to further create a smokescreen of legitimacy. Congrats to all the pirates and leeches, you have won you buncha Don Corleons in the shadows with your paid off officials and spokespeople on the frontline now spreading the gospel of the legal tubes you say you are now. If you are legal disable the surfer upload features, then talk to us, but you can't, cause then your in house uploaders won't be able to upload stolen shit and blame it on the surfers. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com Last edited by gleem; 10-07-2010 at 09:26 PM..

10-07-2010, 09:30 PM	#44
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	lol, another line that comes to mind thinking of the mega tube sites "Too big to sue" I mean if topbucks couldn't get em in court... shit. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

10-07-2010, 09:53 PM	#47
PornstarXS Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 358	Am i to assume the large tube sites are on board to force any smaller tube sites ever surpassing their strangleholds? kind of like the mafia starting a legit security service after they've killed their competition, stolen their competition's money, stolen their competition's assets and then positioning themselves to make new rules that everyone should adhere to. In the end to protect their own asses and business. How about these Axis Porn Powers pay back some porn reparations if they really cared. A bunch of phonies. Lol funny comments by those tube owners in that xbiz article. They just sound like televangelists to me. Deny their wrong doings, shed a fake tear, the devil did it and lets start a crusade against the evil-doers and we need your donations. I remember when a certain tube site started off and it seemed like all the uploader profiles were from montreal. lol nothing more fun than uploading copyright movies, watching the habs and eating poutine. __________________ PornstarXS.com \| TheSacrilege.com \| LezBeGirlfriend.com \| DudeYourMomIsHot.com ICQ 104847307 webmaster @ pornstarxs.com Check out some of my cartoons

10-07-2010, 10:07 PM	#49
cosis Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Beach Posts: 5,278

10-07-2010, 10:39 PM	#50
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Biting my tongue here. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!