Good Article on Obama

[The Demon]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories...772_Page2.html

Very good, objective read..

***Waits for the liberals to trash the source***

[$5 submissions]

Interesting. Another interesting article is the WSJ op-ed piece re Dems dumping Obama for H Clinton

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Interesting. Another interesting article is the WSJ op-ed piece re Dems dumping Obama for H Clinton

Yup read that too.

[Vendzilla]

His poll numbers are going down

So Michelle Obama gives a speech at the NAACP and the next day, the NAACP calls the Tea Party Racist? Maybe thats the new strategy?

[TheDoc]

Thing with independents is, even if they don't support his job performance or if they think a few of his ideas are too liberal.... they really don't support the tea party or conservative movement or ideas, at all... all this article says is independents don't have "the" president style they want - but when it's a choice against the other, they will take him any day of the week.

That's why he will be elected again...

[poncabare]

no way he is relected

[Brujah]

He could be Jesus, and the tea party would still vote him out. Jesus was a socialist.

[crazytrini85]

Cant wait to see him out of there. Americans worst decision in a long time. They were all caught up in the hype of Obama and truth is he is shit.

[J. Falcon]

He is getting reelected, so you better just accept it now.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by crazytrini85

Cant wait to see him out of there. Americans worst decision in a long time. They were all caught up in the hype of Obama and truth is he is shit.

I guess McCain was the better choice all along, right? Or maybe another criminal from the Bush family.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I guess McCain was the better choice all along, right? Or maybe another criminal from the Bush family.

Not sure how much more criminal you can get than Obama, Bernanke, and Pelosi.. Lol@the liberals having to rationalize their own denial. "He's getting re-elected". Rofl

[sortie]

Obama has had the job for less than 2 years.

Not even half way through his term.

[Pics Traffic]

Bush was doing much better job.

[Vendzilla]

I think Obama has a good chance of getting re elected
It's very simple, the house and senate will be taken over by the GOP in Nov, they will actually work together for the first time since 2000 and get things fixed and Obama will get the credit

Just like Bill Clinton

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think Obama has a good chance of getting re elected
It's very simple, the house and senate will be taken over by the GOP in Nov, they will actually work together for the first time since 2000 and get things fixed and Obama will get the credit

Just like Bill Clinton

Interesting. When should the president be given credit/blame for something? Do you think it should always fall to house and senate?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think Obama has a good chance of getting re elected
It's very simple, the house and senate will be taken over by the GOP in Nov, they will actually work together for the first time since 2000 and get things fixed and Obama will get the credit

Just like Bill Clinton

So you are admitting that the republicans are being uncooperative and fucking things
up as much as they can right now.

Thanks.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by sortie

So you are admitting that the republicans are being uncooperative and fucking things
up as much as they can right now.

Thanks.

Or Obama is being uncooperative and fucking things up right now? As usual, you're a moron sortie.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Or Obama is being uncooperative and fucking things up right now? As usual, you're a moron sortie.

No he isn't - he is simply speaking the truth!

The GOP don't deserve shit, as they are sore loser cry babies.

If we aren't in power we won't agree to anything, even if the proposals are VERBATIM the same proposals we have put forward in the past!

Douche bags!

They deserve NOTHING, as that is what they offer the average American person... NOTHING!

[UFGators2007]

I'm an independent, and I look for the lesser of two evils: Right now the republicans are touting the same old failed economic policies of yesteryear with trickle down economics ,subsidizing the wealthiest with tax cuts and less regulation. Increasing defense spending and sutting social spending. Dems are going to spend us into oblivion, and don't seem to want to even cut defense spending.

No one is representing the middle class anymore.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Interesting. When should the president be given credit/blame for something? Do you think it should always fall to house and senate?

Bottom line is...yes. A President has very little domestic power...and that power lies in the "bully pulpit" and the power of the veto...but even then his veto can be over ridden...but as the figure head of the country...the blame or credit usually falls upon the President.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Interesting. When should the president be given credit/blame for something? Do you think it should always fall to house and senate?

The president should be given credit for doing what he did or didn't do, 94 thru 2000, Clinton had to do what the GOP wanted, he didn't have much of a choice, even though he did give a crap load of money to bail out Mexico.
Bush lead everyone around with fear, but lost all power in 06 when the democrats took power of the house and senate
Now Obama has the house and the senate, for a long time, he had bullet proof votes and what did he get for the US citizens? He got a healthcare bill passed that will probably get tossed out next year or get totally re-written.

See when Obama ran for president, he ran on HOPE, but now he's running on FEAR I believe, fear he will loose the healthcare bill, fear of the Tea Party, I mean, Michelle gives a speech for the NAACP and the next day they declare that the Tea Party is racist? And fear of loosing the Hispanic vote and going against the popular vote with Arizona, when in Prince William Virginia they have had the same law on the books for 3 years, no racial profiling, cost of uninsured births are down and learning English as a second language is down, saving the county a lot of money
In the same state, I was just reading how they have fixed their state budget and now have a surplus, don't get good news like that much anymore

Originally Posted by sortie

So you are admitting that the republicans are being uncooperative and fucking things
up as much as they can right now.

Thanks.

Misquoting me is an art for you isn't it.
I do like that they are uncooperative to liberal politics, they're suppose to be conservative.
Remember when their was conservative Democrats? Been a while

And the only "fucking things up" they are doing is , wait, I ran out of things to say, they aren't in power, the people fucking things up are the ones in power, never mind, it all changes in November, the 2nd

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think Obama has a good chance of getting re elected
It's very simple, the house and senate will be taken over by the GOP in Nov, they will actually work together for the first time since 2000 and get things fixed and Obama will get the credit

Just like Bill Clinton

I think he will get re-elected as well. While I might disagree with you about the senate, I think the house is going to go back to the GOP. On average a president loses 28 seats in the house and 4 seats in senate during the midterm election following his taking office. The republicans only need to win 39 seats in the house so they only need 10 more than they would get on average and I think they will pull that off.

The senate, on the other hand, will be a lot harder. There are only about 10 seats that are realistically in play and the republicans will have to win all 10 of them win back the senate. That is a tall task. They could do it, but the guy that runs fivethirtyeight.com only gives them about a 10-12% chance of pulling it off. This guy is a statistician and crunches numbers and odds and in the past several elections he has almost always been dead on. Still, they could pull it off.

Either way, with one or both houses controlled by the republicans Obama - as you say - will have to work with them if he wants to get anything done. This will force him further to the center which could bring up his appeal to independents.

There is also a lack of stellar republican candidates right now. That could change. Two years is a lifetime in politics, but right now there is nobody that stands out as a clear cut legit challenger. Add in that estimates say Obama could have as much a billion dollars in campaign funds and he will be hard to beat.

Baring a major turn around by him, I would say even if he wins and wins big in 2012 he will likely lose the senate then (if he already hasn't) and he had better then pull out the Clinton playbook if he doesn't want to end up a lame duck.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

No he isn't - he is simply speaking the truth!

The GOP don't deserve shit, as they are sore loser cry babies.

If we aren't in power we won't agree to anything, even if the proposals are VERBATIM the same proposals we have put forward in the past!

Douche bags!

They deserve NOTHING, as that is what they offer the average American person... NOTHING!

So I guess a balanced budget isn't for the average american? The governor in Virginia, you should read what he did, they had a bad debt, now they have a surplus, it was from following conservative teachings, less government, less regulations and now they have a better unemployment rate than most of the country.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

No he isn't - he is simply speaking the truth!

The GOP don't deserve shit, as they are sore loser cry babies.

If we aren't in power we won't agree to anything, even if the proposals are VERBATIM the same proposals we have put forward in the past!

Douche bags!

They deserve NOTHING, as that is what they offer the average American person... NOTHING!

The rantings of an illiterate, incompetent human being.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

I think he will get re-elected as well. While I might disagree with you about the senate, I think the house is going to go back to the GOP. On average a president loses 28 seats in the house and 4 seats in senate during the midterm election following his taking office. The republicans only need to win 39 seats in the house so they only need 10 more than they would get on average and I think they will pull that off.

The senate, on the other hand, will be a lot harder. There are only about 10 seats that are realistically in play and the republicans will have to win all 10 of them win back the senate. That is a tall task. They could do it, but the guy that runs fivethirtyeight.com only gives them about a 10-12% chance of pulling it off. This guy is a statistician and crunches numbers and odds and in the past several elections he has almost always been dead on. Still, they could pull it off.

Either way, with one or both houses controlled by the republicans Obama - as you say - will have to work with them if he wants to get anything done. This will force him further to the center which could bring up his appeal to independents.

There is also a lack of stellar republican candidates right now. That could change. Two years is a lifetime in politics, but right now there is nobody that stands out as a clear cut legit challenger. Add in that estimates say Obama could have as much a billion dollars in campaign funds and he will be hard to beat.

Baring a major turn around by him, I would say even if he wins and wins big in 2012 he will likely lose the senate then (if he already hasn't) and he had better then pull out the Clinton playbook if he doesn't want to end up a lame duck.

I totally agree with you, I'm just waiting to see what happens in the Senate, that will show just how much the people want to get away from Obamanomics. It's hard to tell people that things are going in the right direction when they sit at home either underemployed or unemployed or have family or friends that are, and that's a big number.

This latest thing about the NAACP and Obama, I think will back fire on Obama. With Michelle giving a speech the day before the announcement, I don't think too many people will buy it, but it may help Obama keep the black vote to some degree

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I totally agree with you, I'm just waiting to see what happens in the Senate, that will show just how much the people want to get away from Obamanomics. It's hard to tell people that things are going in the right direction when they sit at home either underemployed or unemployed or have family or friends that are, and that's a big number.

This latest thing about the NAACP and Obama, I think will back fire on Obama. With Michelle giving a speech the day before the announcement, I don't think too many people will buy it, but it may help Obama keep the black vote to some degree

Exactly. If Obama loses the house, but hangs onto the senate he will likely stay the course he is on right now and feel it out. If he loses both it will be a very big warning sign to him that he needs to change up what he is doing.

I think, realistically, he is delivering much of what he said he would do. He said he would raise taxes, pass a healthcare bill, do a stimulus plan, send troops to Afghanistan, pass wall street reform etc. He is doing that, but he is spending like hell and I think a lot of people got caught up in the hype and suddenly realize maybe spending all this money isn't such a great thing. They got what they voted for and are realizing sometimes getting what you wanted isn't such a great thing.

I think Obama's number one problem was that he focused on healthcare first. He should have gotten into office and worked n the economy first and foremost and stuck with it until things were better, then he could have moved on. But it is hard to tell people that they should be happy there will be universal healthcare in 5-7 years when they don't have a job today.

I think there is a lot at stake for both parties right now. The republicans took it on the chin in the last two elections and took the brunt of the anger over the economy and the war in Iraq. If they get back into power they better deliver or it could be catastrophic for them. Obama is angling to get the minority voters fired up again and if he can pull of some kind of immigration that makes Latinos happy it will give the democrats a lot of voting power. The republicans will have to keep the independents active and involved if they want to hold onto their share of the power.

[theking]

I look for incumbents in both parties to take a hit...but I do not have any confidence that the Republicans will take control again. They have nothing to offer other than the same shit they have been offering since President Reagan...and I am not sure that the people are ready to buy into that again...at this point in time.

[kane]

Originally Posted by theking

I look for incumbents in both parties to take a hit...but I do not have any confidence that the Republicans will take control again. They have nothing to offer other than the same shit they have been offering since President Reagan...and I am not sure that the people are ready to buy into that again...at this point in time.

One thing that the republicans have been amazing at is repackaging the same bullshit and selling it over and over again. If things are going well they run on the platform of "morality and god" and if things aren't going well they run on the platform of "balance the budget, lower taxes, reduce the deficit and shrink the size of the government". Of course they fail to deliver on both of these platforms almost every time, but that doesn't stop them from selling it again.

One of my all time favorite Daily Show moments was when John Stewart asked Huckabee, "So your platform is basically, 'we are the part to fix what our party fucked up'?" and Huckabee just kind of smiled and nodded yes.

Of course the democrats aren't a whole lot different, but normally they just run on the platform of "we aren't them".

[theking]

Originally Posted by kane

One thing that the republicans have been amazing at is repackaging the same bullshit and selling it over and over again. If things are going well they run on the platform of "morality and god" and if things aren't going well they run on the platform of "balance the budget, lower taxes, reduce the deficit and shrink the size of the government". Of course they fail to deliver on both of these platforms almost every time, but that doesn't stop them from selling it again.

One of my all time favorite Daily Show moments was when John Stewart asked Huckabee, "So your platform is basically, 'we are the part to fix what our party fucked up'?" and Huckabee just kind of smiled and nodded yes.

Of course the democrats aren't a whole lot different, but normally they just run on the platform of "we aren't them".

In my life time partisanship has always had a presence but what is good for the country used to have a presence also...but now it seems...to me...to be just about what is good for the party...and there is not a dime's worth of difference between the two parties. Spend...spend...spend and grow the size of government...is basically all either party does. The combined "leadership"...or rather the lack of leadership...has put our country on a tightrope and many more mis-steps and our country will fall off of that tightrope. I personally think that we will stumble along for a few more years...10 or so...and then fall off of the tightrope. I hope that I am not around to see it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

Exactly. If Obama loses the house, but hangs onto the senate he will likely stay the course he is on right now and feel it out. If he loses both it will be a very big warning sign to him that he needs to change up what he is doing.

I think, realistically, he is delivering much of what he said he would do. He said he would raise taxes, pass a healthcare bill, do a stimulus plan, send troops to Afghanistan, pass wall street reform etc. He is doing that, but he is spending like hell and I think a lot of people got caught up in the hype and suddenly realize maybe spending all this money isn't such a great thing. They got what they voted for and are realizing sometimes getting what you wanted isn't such a great thing.

I think Obama's number one problem was that he focused on healthcare first. He should have gotten into office and worked n the economy first and foremost and stuck with it until things were better, then he could have moved on. But it is hard to tell people that they should be happy there will be universal healthcare in 5-7 years when they don't have a job today.

I think there is a lot at stake for both parties right now. The republicans took it on the chin in the last two elections and took the brunt of the anger over the economy and the war in Iraq. If they get back into power they better deliver or it could be catastrophic for them. Obama is angling to get the minority voters fired up again and if he can pull of some kind of immigration that makes Latinos happy it will give the democrats a lot of voting power. The republicans will have to keep the independents active and involved if they want to hold onto their share of the power.

One of my biggest complaints about Obama has been that he went after healthcare first, he needed to get people working first, that alone would get more people on healthcare.
He did lay out what he agenda was, but he failed on key points, he said the unemployment rate wouldn't go above 8 and it did and stayed there, I don't blame him for that, what I blame him for is he isn't doing anything about it.
The healthcare bill has left alot of people pissed because of it's size and things like Pelosi saying we'll know whats in it after we pass it, a key thing that Obama said the US would be able to read it for 5 days on the Internet before they past a bill and that bills would pass on their own merits, we didn't get that either.
Then there is the crap with Fox news, Obama did his best to censor them. They are the number one news agency and Obama didn't want them around. Working in this industry, I have no room for censorship!
People had a lot of hope in him, with all his promises, the first black president, but he blew that with the beer summit and the way he treated Netanyahu showed me that Muslims come first. That made it look to the rest of the world that the US didn't have there back and problems started, now he's back peddling on that, that scares me because you know that they will be the ones that strike against Iran with Nukes!

Then there's the Nobel peace prize, wtf was that about?



Then there is the bank overhaul that just past
Did you know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are exempt?

[The Demon]

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/1...-2012-polling/


Hahahahahaha

[fatfoo]

Another interesting read (book): The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

One of my biggest complaints about Obama has been that he went after healthcare first, he needed to get people working first, that alone would get more people on healthcare.
He did lay out what he agenda was, but he failed on key points, he said the unemployment rate wouldn't go above 8 and it did and stayed there, I don't blame him for that, what I blame him for is he isn't doing anything about it.
The healthcare bill has left alot of people pissed because of it's size and things like Pelosi saying we'll know whats in it after we pass it, a key thing that Obama said the US would be able to read it for 5 days on the Internet before they past a bill and that bills would pass on their own merits, we didn't get that either.
Then there is the crap with Fox news, Obama did his best to censor them. They are the number one news agency and Obama didn't want them around. Working in this industry, I have no room for censorship!
People had a lot of hope in him, with all his promises, the first black president, but he blew that with the beer summit and the way he treated Netanyahu showed me that Muslims come first. That made it look to the rest of the world that the US didn't have there back and problems started, now he's back peddling on that, that scares me because you know that they will be the ones that strike against Iran with Nukes!

Then there's the Nobel peace prize, wtf was that about?



Then there is the bank overhaul that just past
Did you know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are exempt?

Yep, just read about the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae stuff. The whole wall street reform bill looks like a scam. He had such a wave of good feelings behind him and such a high approval rating when he went into office he should have used that to attack the problems in the economy and get things fixed. But instead he went off into a million directions. It was almost like he and the democrats knew that this was their chance to pass a lot of the pet projects that they had been wanting for the last 20 years so they quickly got them through while they controlled everything and then decided they might want to do something about the economy.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

One of my biggest complaints about Obama has been that he went after healthcare first, he needed to get people working first, that alone would get more people on healthcare.
He did lay out what he agenda was, but he failed on key points, he said the unemployment rate wouldn't go above 8 and it did and stayed there, I don't blame him for that, what I blame him for is he isn't doing anything about it.
The healthcare bill has left alot of people pissed because of it's size and things like Pelosi saying we'll know whats in it after we pass it, a key thing that Obama said the US would be able to read it for 5 days on the Internet before they past a bill and that bills would pass on their own merits, we didn't get that either.
Then there is the crap with Fox news, Obama did his best to censor them. They are the number one news agency and Obama didn't want them around. Working in this industry, I have no room for censorship!
People had a lot of hope in him, with all his promises, the first black president, but he blew that with the beer summit and the way he treated Netanyahu showed me that Muslims come first. That made it look to the rest of the world that the US didn't have there back and problems started, now he's back peddling on that, that scares me because you know that they will be the ones that strike against Iran with Nukes!

Then there's the Nobel peace prize, wtf was that about?



Then there is the bank overhaul that just past
Did you know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are exempt?

As I recall it...he did not go after health care first...he went after the bailouts and stimulus first to help save jobs and spur the economy. The various health care bills (House and Senate) were on line for months for anyone to read...with hundreds of GOP proposals in the bills. Fox News is not a channel to garner news from...it is the same to the right as MSNBC is to the left...they both bash and that is all. Netanyahu is a person that I used to like but not any longer...although I understand why he says and acts the way he does.

[eRock]

The fact that Michelle Obama is trying to get people on board thinking the Tea Party is racist just proves how afraid they really are of this movement.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

As I recall it...he did not go after health care first...he went after the bailouts and stimulus first to help save jobs and spur the economy. The various health care bills (House and Senate) were on line for months for anyone to read...with hundreds of GOP proposals in the bills. Fox News is not a channel to garner news from...it is the same to the right as MSNBC is to the left...they both bash and that is all. Netanyahu is a person that I used to like but not any longer...although I understand why he says and acts the way he does.

I watch mostly fox and abc and cnn, msnbc is a joke
Did you see the clip that Pelosi said that we'll know whats in the bill after we sign it?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by eRock

The fact that Michelle Obama is trying to get people on board thinking the Tea Party is racist just proves how afraid they really are of this movement.

I watched a tea party rally where they had a black speaker, it was one of the better speeches I've seen in a while, very informative

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I watch mostly fox and abc and cnn, msnbc is a joke
Did you see the clip that Pelosi said that we'll know whats in the bill after we sign it?

Well...it is clear that you watch Fox News...as you repeat their talking points almost verbatim...and in my opinion both Fox and MSNBC are jokes...and I watch both as well as other networks.

Yes I saw the clip...and it was a stupid remark to make...for as I stated the bills were online for months...including revisions...as they were made.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

Yep, just read about the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae stuff. The whole wall street reform bill looks like a scam. He had such a wave of good feelings behind him and such a high approval rating when he went into office he should have used that to attack the problems in the economy and get things fixed. But instead he went off into a million directions. It was almost like he and the democrats knew that this was their chance to pass a lot of the pet projects that they had been wanting for the last 20 years so they quickly got them through while they controlled everything and then decided they might want to do something about the economy.

a good economy fixes everything else, it gives us the means for entitlements that are needed, if you mix a good economy with government reform and stop the useless wars, then times are good

They say that for every green job, you loose 2 conventional jobs, seems better not to do the green push that Obama is doing for now untill the economy is better
I saw where they generated 300 new jobs making hybrid batteries with the stimulus package and it only cost 4.2 billion dollars plus 7 billion in loans

[Joshua G]

its sad. the obama record is...

787 billion stimulus...did nothing but dish out bandaids to state & local governments, spent on needless local projects. In my town stimulus funds were used to rebuild a small bridge that was never broken.

health care...a huge new health care bureaucracy, $500 billion funded with medicare cuts that are destined to get repealed when the bill comes due in 3 years.

finance reform...a bill so watered down there are no regulations. They will be written by wall street lobbyists.

record deficits...inherited, yes. But there is no talk or effort to reduce the deficit. In fact the liberals think we need to spend even more, as if the economy is somehow controlled by government spending.

They can pass trillion dollar bailouts for wall street. They can't pass 50 billion extensions for the unemployed.

Obama is trying to prevent a state from enforcing federal laws the government refuses to enforce. The consequences of non-enforcement is runaway immigration of unskilled labor, drug smuggling, kidnappings & murder. But the important thing is that mexican americans not get looked at funny by cops, this is the higher priority.

The dems are handing the country right back to the party of george w bush. Nice job Obama.

[bhutocracy]

I stopped reading after:

"The tactical improvisation leaves even many Obama supporters saying they “don’t know what he really stands for” — as though there could somehow be a mystery about where he stands after nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending and two landmark pieces of legislation passed within 18 months."

Quite a ridiculous statement. As proven by Bush's response to the financial crisis, McCain would have done almost exactly the same level of stimulous spending albiet with a higher proportion of it in tax cuts. Significant portions of the health care bill are former republican proposals and both health care and financial reforms bills will no doubt be total failures as neither of them are much more than window dressing. Obama is centre-right anywhere else in the world or in American itself 30 years ago. I think it's completely fair to question what he stands for, I mean first you'd have to see him get off his knees in front of the corporate cash. It can't only be Rahm wormtonguing him.
America got bait and switched very, very deftly.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

I stopped reading after:

"The tactical improvisation leaves even many Obama supporters saying they ?don?t know what he really stands for? ? as though there could somehow be a mystery about where he stands after nearly $1 trillion in stimulus spending and two landmark pieces of legislation passed within 18 months."

Quite a ridiculous statement. As proven by Bush's response to the financial crisis, McCain would have done almost exactly the same level of stimulous spending albiet with a higher proportion of it in tax cuts. Significant portions of the health care bill are former republican proposals and both health care and financial reforms bills will no doubt be total failures as neither of them are much more than window dressing. Obama is centre-right anywhere else in the world or in American itself 30 years ago. I think it's completely fair to question what he stands for, I mean first you'd have to see him get off his knees in front of the corporate cash. It can't only be Rahm wormtonguing him.
America got bait and switched very, very deftly.

Tax cuts would have been better, business like that, makes it easier to expand and that means hiring people
As far as the health care bill, Reagan even wanted that, but they didn't know how to make it work, neither did Obama, but it was pushed thru anyways

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

Well...it is clear that you watch Fox News...as you repeat their talking points almost verbatim...and in my opinion both Fox and MSNBC are jokes...and I watch both as well as other networks.

Yes I saw the clip...and it was a stupid remark to make...for as I stated the bills were online for months...including revisions...as they were made.

I like Oreilly, watch him almost everyday, but I also watch GMA every morning. I get news alerts on my BB for all the networks, abc, msnbc, cnn, fox , ass.press and yahoo

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I like Oreilly, watch him almost everyday, but I also watch GMA every morning. I get news alerts on my BB for all the networks, abc, msnbc, cnn, fox , ass.press and yahoo

Well...I too make a point of watching Oreilly...as well as the fruitcake Glen Beck and the asshole Hannity...both of which make Oreilly look like a genius. I used to watch Greta but I can't stand her voice anymore so I only watch if she has a guest or subject that I am interested in. The only thing that Fox has that resembles a real news show is Sheppard's show. I get the most benefit out of watching the C-Span channels...all of which...except one I have to watch online...my fucking cable company stopped subscribing to all but one of them.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

Well...I too make a point of watching Oreilly...as well as the fruitcake Glen Beck and the asshole Hannity...both of which make Oreilly look like a genius. I used to watch Greta but I can't stand her voice anymore so I only watch if she has a guest or subject that I am interested in. The only thing that Fox has that resembles a real news show is Sheppard's show. I get the most benefit out of watching the C-Span channels...all of which...except one I have to watch online...my fucking cable company stopped subscribing to all but one of them.

Yeah I like Shepard, just the news, not too much opinion. Greta talks out the side of her mouth which bothers me, Glen Beck is all over the place, but he gets some info you won't hear anywhere else, I think everyone needs to listen to him once in a while, he must have one hell of a research team
Hannity is too pro GOP for me

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah I like Shepard, just the news, not too much opinion. Greta talks out the side of her mouth which bothers me, Glen Beck is all over the place, but he gets some info you won't hear anywhere else, I think everyone needs to listen to him once in a while, he must have one hell of a research team
Hannity is too pro GOP for me

Glen Beck's show Founders Friday has had some interesting info about our founding fathers...that even as much as I have read about them I have learned some new things...and on those shows he appears to be almost sane.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by poncabare

no way he is relected

He will defraud his way into reelection. Somehow or someway, this socialist marxist terrorist isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

He will defraud his way into reelection. Somehow or someway, this socialist marxist terrorist isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

If he does fraud his way in, the last President would be a great teacher. You forgot Satanic though, has to get his powers from some place.

[NetHorse]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

If he does fraud his way in, the last President would be a great teacher. You forgot Satanic though, has to get his powers from some place.

Blame it on Bush, you're 100% correct. Whatever Obama does is OKAY, because Bush was "evil"..

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

Blame it on Bush, you're 100% correct. Whatever Obama does is OKAY, because Bush was "evil"..

I simply stated a fact that Bush would be a good Teacher. Bush can't be blamed for something that he hasn't done, that isn't to say he hasn't done enough to be blamed for things though.

A person is responsible for the action they take. I learned to shoot a gun, no reason to blame the Marines if I shoot someone, it's the action one chooses to take that is evil or good.