Do you believe that social networking sites, games, and other online "entertainment" is affecting...

[will76]

porn sales?

I've seen a few people (Rochard, Barefootsie, and LightspeedSteve) say they believe that this is the case. Since people are spending more and more time on social networking sites, game sites, etc, that people are then in turn spending less time on porn sites and therefore spending less on porn.

Do you believe this? If so, can someone please explain to me beyond the "well if they spending more time on "X" then they must be spending less time on "Y" type logic.

[PenisFace]

I can't say for sure, but I CAN say that games (modern warfare 2, in my case) are sapping my productivity. I've put almost 300 hours into that goddam game, and I still enjoy playing it. Those are 300 hours I could have been working

If I was going to buy porn, I doubt it social networking or games or whatever would have an effect on my purchasing habits... Everyone likes to smash their cock around while they watch porn, and will always find time for it.

[cardinalvices]

I only agree with this partially. But its one of the reasons yes.

[SallyRand]

Yes, indeed, more and more people are going to social networks. My question would be, "How are you using social networks to promote your biz?"

Sally.

[mynameisjim]

I would say that is not true. Although people are spending more time on social networks, they are also spending LESS time watching for TV. So people are just spending more total time on the internet doing various things.

Free porn sites are more popular than ever and their traffic is not dropping. People are consuming MORE porn than ever before in the history of the world.

[Kingfish]

A Lot of guys frap to Facebook pictures as most teen girls/young ladies will post racy photos of themselves and their friends. It also provides a more personal experience than porn can as the guy can be whacking to a gal?s picture he works with or goes to school with, and it is free to boot. I am pretty sure this kills sales. As far as games some games like WOW are incredibly immersive and guys will chat up the relatively few chicks that play and beat off to their WOW toons or, while they are chating with them on vent or their real pictures on their Facebook page if they are lucky enough to get it.

[will76]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I would say that is not true. Although people are spending more time on social networks, they are also spending LESS time watching for TV. So people are just spending more total time on the internet doing various things.

Free porn sites are more popular than ever and their traffic is not dropping. People are consuming MORE porn than ever before in the history of the world.

That is what my line of thought is. Obviously neither side (belief) has stats to back up their thoughts.

I do think 1 think is certain, that people are spending more time on social networking sites than they did in years past. HOWEVER, just because someone spends more time on social networking sites it does NOT mean they spend less time on porn sites. They could be spending less time watching tv (like you said) or less time playing outside, less time working, studying, whatever.

Here is my "Common sense" thoughts to why social networking sites DO NOT affect porn sales.

To assume people spend more time on social networking sites and therefore less time on porn sites, which decreases porn sales is to assume the following:
1. People on social networking sites now jerk off less and are less horny or
2. People are jerking off to content on facebook, etc. vs a porn site.

When there are sites out there with thousands of full length hardcore videos on them for free, I can't believe someone is going to bypass that and jerk off to a girl with clothes on, on facebook.

If people spend more time on facebook, less on porn sites ... IF, I still don't think it affects porn sales. People still jerk off as much, regardless if they spending more time on facebook or not lol. They need to go somewhere to jerkoff since facebook doesn't contain any nudity. Here is the problem.... the people on social networking sites are more up to date with the net and know about youporn so when they leave facebook to go jerk off, they not going to surf the net for porn and come across your site and pay to see your content. They go directly to youporn instead, see your content for free, yank it, then go back to facebook. So is socialnetworking sites really the problem here??

Please someone who disagrees, use some substance to your argument other than "yeah I think they do" and make me think otherwise if I am missing something here. Just tired of hearing people say they believe this but don't back it up with any reasons why.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Kingfish

A Lot of guys frap to Facebook pictures as most teen girls/young ladies will post racy photos of themselves and their friends. It also provides a more personal experience than porn can as the guy can be whacking to a gal’s picture he works with or goes to school with, and it is free to boot. I am pretty sure this kills sales. As far as games some games like WOW are incredibly immersive and guys will chat up the relatively few chicks that play and beat off to their WOW toons or, while they are chating with them on vent or their real pictures on their Facebook page if they are lucky enough to get it.

WOW has been around and "addictive" since the 90's, Can't use that as reason why porn sales have dropped in the last couple years. Not to mention the SIMS and second life were big and been around for years too.

So you saying, porn sales have dropped because our "ex customers" are really closet pedo's who prefer to jerk off to clothed, young girls on facebook who are dressed slutty ? And other people are on there jerking off to PICTURES when there are full length videos a click and 10 seconds away from them on youporn.

[$5 submissions]

So there's a ZERO SUM GAME theory to porn?

Maybe another theory to consider is this: For the longest time, a large and steady chunk of online adult sales came from PORN ADDICTS. Now that there's tons of tubes and RS/MU driven sites, the sales coming from this segment have fallen off dramatically and there are many other competitors for IMPULSE BUYERS' attention.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by will76

If so, can someone please explain to me beyond the "well if they spending more time on "X" then they must be spending less time on "Y" type logic.

People have a finite amount of leisure time. If they are now spending +4 hours on facebook they must be spending -4 hours some place else.

[PornHero]

I think the novelty of online porn has trailed off. For example, 10 years ago it was exciting and arousing as a surfer to find a video of an amateur girl tagteamed and facialed by 5 guys. now its ho-hum (yawn). next.

There is still plenty of money to be made though and I am making it.

[seeandsee]

it affects in some %, people are doing other stuff, you can play games or jerk, and you play games

[bns666]

Social media affects sales in both paysites and dating since people know there is somebody on the other side, which is way more attractive than staged porn movie or fake profile.

[TeenCat]

hm i dont think that people who was buying porn are now playing games or chatting on facebook. if you like porn, you will buy porn, maybe you need a break, but you will buy porn again. people who are using facebook daily are our mothers or people who heard from friends that there is facebook, and they will not buy any porn. perverts are comming in and out, but times are changing and its not easy to mine gold on klondike, and its not easy to sell porn. you have to know what you are doing, if you dont, go to facebook or play games

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by cardinalvices

I only agree with this partially. But its one of the reasons yes.

same here
it's by far not the ONLY reason
on the other hands you also more internet users week after week

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by cardinalvices

I only agree with this partially. But its one of the reasons yes.

And not the major one...

[ottopottomouse]

There's only 24 hours in a day but a lot of people seem to spend 25 of them on Facebook.

All the games and things like twatter and facebook get people used to interaction - can't interact with a photoset or video

Sites like plentyoffish enable people who never would have been able to meet someone and have a relationship in real life before find someone to fill that gap which may have previously been filled by a porn based fantasy instead.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Free porn sites are more popular than ever and their traffic is not dropping. People are consuming MORE porn than ever before in the history of the world.

Spot on. It's just that fewer people will pay what we need them to pay.

As for Facebook sites luring people away from porn. Just another dumb excuse for the decline we're suffering. And this industry is great at finding excuses.

[halfpint]

I said when I first joined GFY that porn sites would have to become more social to compete and stay ahead and there are lots of ways to have interaction on porn sites including chat, adult games, cams, voting system, interaction with models,runiing competions, forums.. ect .. Look at sites like adultwork.co.uk they are very interactive and doing very well

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by will76

porn sales?

I've seen a few people (Rochard, Barefootsie, and LightspeedSteve) say they believe that this is the case. Since people are spending more and more time on social networking sites, game sites, etc, that people are then in turn spending less time on porn sites and therefore spending less on porn.

Do you believe this? If so, can someone please explain to me beyond the "well if they spending more time on "X" then they must be spending less time on "Y" type logic.

i have said that already a year ago but i am too lazy to look up my own posts.

and i don't know whats so hard to understand - when you spend 2-3 hours after work every day on facebook and chat with girls then you have 2-3 hours less to look for porn. and conveniently there's enough free porn available easily when you need it for a quick jerk. no need to search for it anymore.

[MaDalton]

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=909459

June 8, 2009

[halfpint]

I also think that sites like rude.com which are very social attract far more people than what a normal adult paysite could attract.

[will76]

Originally Posted by PornHero

I think the novelty of online porn has trailed off. For example, 10 years ago it was exciting and arousing as a surfer to find a video of an amateur girl tagteamed and facialed by 5 guys. now its ho-hum (yawn). next.

There is still plenty of money to be made though and I am making it.

I would believe that if a new sexual novelty had poped up. Like some type of holigram / virtual porn girl helmet you wear or projected from your tv and people were doing that now vs watching videos or cams... but the "novelty" of facebook I dont see how that replaced the novelty of porn. Thats like saying some good new drink caused a drop in food sales. People need to still eat, and trust me I know people haven't stopped jerking off or are jerking off less.

Originally Posted by seeandsee

it affects in some %, people are doing other stuff, you can play games or jerk, and you play games

So you honstly think people are less horny now and jerk off less because they play games more?

Originally Posted by bns666

Social media affects sales in both paysites and dating since people know there is somebody on the other side, which is way more attractive than staged porn movie or fake profile.

That really is summed up with "interaction" something that is live which always sells better than something recorded. Dating sites I definitely think are affected by social networking sites. You can meet new people for free through social networking. You can't watch 1 hour long hardcore porn on social networking sites.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have said that already a year ago but i am too lazy to look up my own posts.

and i don't know whats so hard to understand - when you spend 2-3 hours after work every day on facebook and chat with girls then you have 2-3 hours less to look for porn. and conveniently there's enough free porn available easily when you need it for a quick jerk. no need to search for it anymore.

You don't know what is hard to understand? Because you automatically *think* that more time on facebook = less time on porn, minute for minute exchange. I think that is a nieve assumption. Why couldn't more time on facebook mean less TV, or less playing games, or less going outside, or less time working? Where are you guys getting this rock solid evidence that an extra 30 mins on facebook today means 30 minutes less spent on porn???

I think it is more logically that they spent less time watching tv, working, or sleeping, or whatever.

First of all the people who spend a lot of time on facebook, aren't spending 2-3 hours AFTER work. They are also spending a lot of time DURING work on those sites.

Guys have chatted with girls on chatrooms since day one of the net. That hasn't affected anything. If anything it is the frustraition of not being able to find a girl to go out with you tonight that leaves the guy to wanting to yank it to a porn video or girl on a cam site.

Also very very few people spend 2-3 hours looking at porn muchless that long looking for porn. It doesn't take long to find porn, and most people have their favorite places already (tube sites). They go on youtube, browse a bunch of vids, get off and leave. No different than what they were doing 10 years ago.

I guess this is just one of those things. You may have proof that time spent on social networking sites have gone up, but neither of us hav proof that time spent on porn sites have gone down. We have proof porn income has gone down, but using common sense we can easily see the real factors that affect the decline in porn sales. It isn't that people are looking at porn less and jerking off less. It is that less people are paying for it. Unless if facebook caused the world to be less horny which i think is absurd.

I wonder how many of you who believe social networking sites is killing porn sales also believe in summer slow down. LOL you know, when people don't have time to look at porn during the summer because they are all out side playing and on vacations. It's like every "Slow down" you people come up with equates to people not having time to jerk off. I can just picture a guy who has a high sex drive or gets turned on easy and jerks off daily saying ok, im going to cut back to jerking off every other day because I just don't have the time to do it anymore because i need to write on my wall at facebook and comment on my friends pictures there. Oh and damn vacation next week, shit no jerking off for the next 10 days. damn! lolol

[Agent 488]

studies show the average surfer just visits five sites. social networking prob bumped porn off a few.

[will76]

Originally Posted by halfpint

I also think that sites like rude.com which are very social attract far more people than what a normal adult paysite could attract.

no arguments from me there, if it is an ADULT social networking site with full blown porn on it, then yeah it could be cutting into time spent on other porn sites. But the key thing is here, people are still looking at porn just as much, it is just on a different porn site ( a social one).

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Spot on. It's just that fewer people will pay what we need them to pay.

As for Facebook sites luring people away from porn. Just another dumb excuse for the decline we're suffering. And this industry is great at finding excuses.

Yes sir, that is my thoughts exactly. There is a lot of excuses, and then there are a couple real tangible reasons. Like summer slow downs, tax day (wtf), all of the holidays, superbowl sunday. I've heard it all over the last 10+ years and one thing was constant, there was no constant times where porn was slow for everyone. Some people had good days, some people had bad days, everyday. Law of averages, you not going to do the same amount of sales every day. It's just when people have a bad day they go looking for a reason to blame it on and when they have a good day they think it was because of their hard work that day.

I once had a chat host tell me she wouldn't work from 7-8 at night because law and order was on and she never had good sales during that time because so many people were watching that show instead of being on porn sites.... I bet she would tell me now they are all on facebook and that is why her sales are less !!! lol

[will76]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

studies show the average surfer just visits five sites. social networking prob bumped porn off a few.

thanks for sharing the source of those studies lol.

[kane]

I think it is harming the mainstream TV industry more than porn. I think more and more people are spending time on Facebook and sites like it and are checking out Youtube videos and they are doing that instead of watching TV. I had read that TV viewership is on the decline across the board. The other night I was over at a friends for dinner. After dinner one of their daughters was on her laptop, the other was texting friends and several of us were on their other computer watching videos of people pranking each other. This is a house with about 5 TVs in it including a 60 inch big screen. There were about 10 people in the house and not one of the TVs was on.

However, I think if it is hurting porn it is hurting it in the dating and cam business more than the regular hardcore porn side. With Facebook you can find girls to hook up with, see hot pictures of other girls and even watch them on their cam (not saying they will get naked for you, but having a real girl looking hot and chatting with you turns a lot of guys on a lot more than some chick begging for tips or for you to go private) so they no longer need cam sites or dating sites. But when they want to see a hottie take a fat dick in the ass, they still go to the hardcore sites.

Just my thoughts.

[MaDalton]

it's not 30 mins. per day that people spend per day on facebook, i'm pretty sure it's more. and the search process you needed in the past to find good porn is now extremely shortened thanks to some bookmarked tube sites.

i'll stick to this: people don't "need" less porn, they just find it much easier and faster in always the same places. therefore they don't find new stuff in their search process they could sign up to. and that saved time they spend on social networking sites and the like

[SykkBoy]

I don't think these things are taking away from it as much as it's changing people's surfing habits and how they surf and navigate.

For example, people are now used to facebook/myspace surfing. They are picking up habits. Adult, as a whole, isn't tapping into those habits.

I could probably write a full article on this, hehe.

Here is an example.
Joe Bob Surfer has surfed porn for years. By habit, he has surfed sites like The Hun and Al4A, who have very specific layouts and feels. He has his daily "routine" and doesn't stray from that very much. So, those sites continue to get his eyeballs and time daily. He might find a site here and there he wants to join (in this example, we're assuming he's not JUST leeching, but is capable of pulling out the credit card and buying once he finds that certain site he's looking for).

Now newer sites like facebook, youtube, etc. have altered his daily routine and how he looks at things and surfs. The Hun/Al4A routine no longer applies to him. Let's say FB, YT, etc. haven't necessarily quenched his thirst for porn, but have changed how he surfs for it, since it's changed how he surfs in general.

Are we, as an industry, keeping up with his routine and how he surfs? Are we taking advantage of this routine to turn it into sales? I'd say, by and large, we are not. Maybe he's found tube sites more to his liking and instead of The Hun and Al4A, he's going to RedTube and Tube8 instead. This is going to affect how he surfs and looks for his daily porn fix (as part of his routine).

We need to tap into the routine of surfers. Sure, some have been burned, are finding everything they need on tubes, have less $$ to spend, want to spend less, etc. But, for those that remain, that are capable of buying, are we REALLY doing all we can to tap into this routine?

How many adult sites are adding social elements? I don't just mean buying a $50 social networking script from an indian kid on hotscripts, slapping up a couple head pics and calling it an "adult myspace". How many are adding extra value to their sites? Adding things that will keep people coming back beyond the porn?

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

People have a finite amount of leisure time. If they are now spending +4 hours on facebook they must be spending -4 hours some place else.

Exactamundo.

[Robbie]

I don't think social networks affect us enough to be a blip on the radar.

I don't know many guys in their 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's (the guys who for the most part are the ones who have credit cards and buy porn) who rush home from work to check their facebook accounts. lol

But like I said in another thread...it doesn't really matter what anybody "believes" or theorizes on. Piracy bitch slapped all of us to the ground as far as paysites are concerned. And whether a person believes it or not doesn't really make a damn to me.

Bottom line is...I'll still be standing when it's all over because I took action almost 2 years ago and put in place a plan to keep sales going to my paysite. And it worked and continues to work.

My affiliate work, however, went from 90 grand a month down to 20 grand a month. That fucking hurts. And there isn't a goddamn thing I can do about it so long as every other paysite has their members areas ripped for free on rapidshare and listed conveniently on pornbb and don't lift a finger to change it.

EDIT: Hell, I don't think social networks even stopped teenage boys from surfing porn. I'd bet that most people who spend all that time on social networks are teenage girls. And I have the daughters to back that up! LOL

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and i don't know whats so hard to understand - when you spend 2-3 hours after work every day on facebook and chat with girls then you have 2-3 hours less to look for porn. and conveniently there's enough free porn available easily when you need it for a quick jerk. no need to search for it anymore.

Correct.

There have also been studies posted showing most regular online people's surfing habits. They tend to spend the vast majority of their time on a handful of their favorite sites. These studies and articles went to explain how to 'crack' their world, you needed to get on these key sites.

Some day when I am not feeling lazy, I will see if I can find them. There was one that came out in the last month, and the other was within the last 6-12.

The point is, the surfers are becoming more intelligent, lazy, apathetic, desensitized and do not so much 'surf' anymore. This fact is reinforced by the social networks like digg, twitter, etc. where..... if you can get a "buzz" going. You will have a bazillion hits in 12-24 hours and can become ground breaking.

Anyway, my previous posts on this subject as well as this one are to this point. They have a limited number of hours in the day for online entertainment, and they tend to hit the same 3-12 sites and stay on them. There are now 'networks', super hub, massive sites with endless content eliminating the need to typically 'surf' for more.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and i don't know whats so hard to understand - when you spend 2-3 hours after work every day on facebook and chat with girls then you have 2-3 hours less to look for porn. and conveniently there's enough free porn available easily when you need it for a quick jerk. no need to search for it anymore.

Correct.

There have also been studies posted showing most regular online people's surfing habits. They tend to spend the vast majority of their time on a handful of their favorite sites. These studies and articles went to explain how to 'crack' their world, you needed to get on these key sites.

Some day when I am not feeling lazy, I will see if I can find them. There was one that came out in the last month, and the other was within the last 6-12.

The point is, the surfers are becoming more intelligent, lazy, apathetic, desensitized and do not so much 'surf' anymore. This fact is reinforced by the social networks like digg, twitter, etc. where..... if you can get a "buzz" going. You will have a bazillion hits in 12-24 hours and can become ground breaking.

Anyway, my previous posts on this subject as well as this one are to this point. They have a limited number of hours in the day for online entertainment, and they tend to hit the same 3-12 sites and stay on them. There are now 'networks', super hub, massive sites with endless content eliminating the need to typically 'surf' for more.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Bottom line is...I'll still be standing when it's all over because I took action almost 2 years ago and put in place a plan to keep sales going to my paysite. And it worked and continues to work.

True dat foo.

[chronig]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=909459

June 8, 2009

Thanks for showing us you were an idiot a year ago...

It's not piracy or tubes or cc banging or economy?

Facebook/etc may contribute as well, but to say it's none of the above is downright stupid... nice thread

[will76]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

it's not 30 mins. per day that people spend per day on facebook, i'm pretty sure it's more. and the search process you needed in the past to find good porn is now extremely shortened thanks to some bookmarked tube sites.

i'll stick to this: people don't "need" less porn, they just find it much easier and faster in always the same places. therefore they don't find new stuff in their search process they could sign up to. and that saved time they spend on social networking sites and the like

I agreed with you and gave you the benefit of the doubt that the average person spends 2-3 hours but that does seem to be an aweful lot. The amount of time doesn't matter, my point is that the time spent on social networking sites is replacing time spent doing other things not porn. So it could be 12 hours a day, I still think they just as much on porn as they did before, or to say it better they still spend just as much time jerking off. They just cut into their bathing/sleeping/eating time so they can be on facebook 12 hours a day.

If "porn time" decreased any it is due to the ease of people finding what they "need" to yank it. It's not that social networking forced them to spend less time on it. It's that sites like youporn make it easy for them to find whatever they are looking for. People don't hunt for porn for sport. They hunt to get off. In the past they might have needed to hit 5 tgps, a couple link lists, etc... now they go to youporn.

Originally Posted by kane

I think it is harming the mainstream TV industry more than porn. I think more and more people are spending time on Facebook and sites like it and are checking out Youtube videos and they are doing that instead of watching TV. I had read that TV viewership is on the decline across the board. The other night I was over at a friends for dinner. After dinner one of their daughters was on her laptop, the other was texting friends and several of us were on their other computer watching videos of people pranking each other. This is a house with about 5 TVs in it including a 60 inch big screen. There were about 10 people in the house and not one of the TVs was on.

However, I think if it is hurting porn it is hurting it in the dating and cam business more than the regular hardcore porn side. With Facebook you can find girls to hook up with, see hot pictures of other girls and even watch them on their cam (not saying they will get naked for you, but having a real girl looking hot and chatting with you turns a lot of guys on a lot more than some chick begging for tips or for you to go private) so they no longer need cam sites or dating sites. But when they want to see a hottie take a fat dick in the ass, they still go to the hardcore sites.

Just my thoughts.

Spot on imo except for the cams part. I don't think there are any more girls on cams on social networking sites then there are girls on cam on yahoo chat, that has been like that since cams started. Or cam4, or any of the other cams sites. Clothed girls "chatting" and a guy yanking it off cam without her knowing what he is doing, thats a big stretch.


What is funny is that everyone who is telling me I am wrong is citing these "reports" and "stats" but not one person has even provided 1 link to them.

[fuzebox]

When you want to jerk off, you'll jerk off. Even if farmville takes up 16 hours of your day, there's that 15 minute period before bed where you just feel like shaking hands with the bishop.

[Rochard]

I see my name was mentioned here.

In 2000 the Internet was pretty fucking boring. All you had was porn. Now.... I've head stats that more than sixty percent go to a handful of websites - Facebook, YouTube, Myspace, Ebay... That's sixty percent of your traffic out the door before you even turned your computer on.

And if you think about it... Youtube, Facebook... Everyone is just creating content for others to look at, which in turn makes them richer - not us.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by will76

What is funny is that everyone who is telling me I am wrong is citing these "reports" and "stats" but not one person has even provided 1 link to them.

There aren't any stats or reports on that to link to. People don't offer up information about what they do in private on their computers. That's why and how the internet got so damn big to begin with.

We all just have to use our specific experiences in this business and plot a course based on that. Hopefully many of us will be correct in their assumptions and make the right decisions with their porn biz.

Probably not. heh-heh

I guess we'll see who is still making money a year from now or less.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by kane

I think it is harming the mainstream TV industry more than porn. I think more and more people are spending time on Facebook and sites like it and are checking out Youtube videos and they are doing that instead of watching TV. I had read that TV viewership is on the decline across the board. The other night I was over at a friends for dinner. After dinner one of their daughters was on her laptop, the other was texting friends and several of us were on their other computer watching videos of people pranking each other. This is a house with about 5 TVs in it including a 60 inch big screen. There were about 10 people in the house and not one of the TVs was on.

However, I think if it is hurting porn it is hurting it in the dating and cam business more than the regular hardcore porn side. With Facebook you can find girls to hook up with, see hot pictures of other girls and even watch them on their cam (not saying they will get naked for you, but having a real girl looking hot and chatting with you turns a lot of guys on a lot more than some chick begging for tips or for you to go private) so they no longer need cam sites or dating sites. But when they want to see a hottie take a fat dick in the ass, they still go to the hardcore sites.

Just my thoughts.

One of the reasons TV viewing is down isn't because of a lack of a market, but also because there is so much more of it - Cable, that is.

I'm not nearly half as old as Baddog and I still remember no cable, and only getting three channels. TV wasn't nearly as interesting because there was only three channels - NBC, ABC, and PBS. Now my cable has two hundred channels. I no longer watch NBC, ABC, or CBS because I have ten zillion choices other than them.

It's very much the same thing with our industry. In 2000 there was "x" amount of porn sites. Now there is "x" amount of porn sites times 10 billion. We have completely over saturated porn - there is so much of it.

This all started with the DVD market. It got to the point where our industry was launching hundreds of new dvds each month. With that kind of volume, no one had enough shelf space to put up new dvds no less the old ones.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by will76

What is funny is that everyone who is telling me I am wrong is citing these "reports" and "stats" but not one person has even provided 1 link to them.

Actually, it's obvious with the creation of this thread that regardless what is posted, your mind is made up on this. Free porn is the boogie man ruining your livelihood, or the adult industry. Despite there being a "perfect storm" of issues that have been going on for 3 years now.

Frankly, I feel it's little more than a game of GFY devil's advocate anymore at this point. You are going to believe what you want to believe regardless. Carry on.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Rochard

One of the reasons TV viewing is down isn't because of a lack of a market, but also because there is so much more of it - Cable, that is.

I'm not nearly half as old as Baddog and I still remember no cable, and only getting three channels. TV wasn't nearly as interesting because there was only three channels - NBC, ABC, and PBS. Now my cable has two hundred channels. I no longer watch NBC, ABC, or CBS because I have ten zillion choices other than them.

It's very much the same thing with our industry. In 2000 there was "x" amount of porn sites. Now there is "x" amount of porn sites times 10 billion. We have completely over saturated porn - there is so much of it.

This all started with the DVD market. It got to the point where our industry was launching hundreds of new dvds each month. With that kind of volume, no one had enough shelf space to put up new dvds no less the old ones.

I agree. I'm 39 and when I was a kid (up until I was out of high school) there was no cable TV where I lived. So you got about 4 channels that had good reception and a couple others that came in half assed. Now the average cable package seems to have about 100+ channels in it.

Hell, when I was a kid cartoons were on for about 4 hours saturday morning. Now there are at least 5 channels that are nothing but kids programing.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by will76

thanks for sharing the source of those studies lol.

google it moron.

[kane]

Originally Posted by will76

What is funny is that everyone who is telling me I am wrong is citing these "reports" and "stats" but not one person has even provided 1 link to them.

Here is the article I had read about declining TV viewership

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...RJKLr913qZq2HK


They were hoping for this to be a season blip, especially with the 18-49 demographic which has lost 5.1% of its audience.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

google it

Exactly. Not to mention people have posted graphs on GFY in previous discussions on this very topic. If someone was that interested, they could do a few simple searches.

One a side note, I am going to share a story as it relates to what others have mirrored in their own porn searches based on my experience. A bit off topic, but still relevant to this discussion on porn buyers.

Before there was online porn, I would have to go to the porn shop. I would look through endless box covers and mag looking for just the right thing to hit the spot. I would have to rent sometimes 2-3 movies in the hope there would be something that would be the money shot for what I care for.

When the internet came along, I had many more choices to pick from. The variety was amazing, and not only did I have the existing movies that were out there to choose from. I also have the independent producers who were more in touch with what TRUE foot lovers wanted. They catered more to the foot fetish audience, and better tailored endless money shots in their clips. So you could go to a foot fetish TGP and it would be pure gold to find foot fetish stuff. If everything feet got you off, you were all set.

Over time, you fine tune what you like. Not just 'everything' gets you off anymore. You start having some sort of list of things that you like, and prefer. So your fetish, or preference becomes fine tuned. Clips4Sale comes on the scene, and you get even more producers who truly understand the fetish, and have it literally DIALED IN pure gold in almost every scene so you pop your top and are willing to pay for it.

While I could go on, the point is simple. For my own porn tastes, I go to maybe a half dozen sites and producers who cater to exactly what I like and want. I am a part of that 25-55 buying male demographic with credit cards, who will still buy porn. I am not a teenager who gets off any time the wind blows and just needs a naked chick.

The demographic has aged. They want more tailored content, and have flooded to places like Clips4Sale to get it. They now only need a handful of studios, or producers, or sites to get off. They no longer need to search hundreds of sites to find it.

Those who are buying, know where to get it. They do not need to search for it

[HomerSimpson]

My guess is that people that spend less time on porn sites buy better than ones that know all the tgps and tubes and know where can they find shit of their interest for free...

[kane]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

My guess is that people that spend less time on porn sites buy better than ones that know all the tgps and tubes and know where can they find shit of their interest for free...

Agreed. If they have less time to waste they might be more likely to buy

[TheDoc]

We will always have people dedicated to buying porn, on any medium that has it available to them.

The WWW Internet porn traffic bubble has gotten smaller though. It can be seen in the number of Affiliates available to us today. Less Affiliates because of 2257, 1000's of micro affiliates gone that were the true backbone of our Industry, creating far less global reach, less global exposure, less trades, less traffic moving around, less of everything. Yet porn production exploded at the worst time almost.

It's no possible way we have more traffic today in porn than we did 10 years ago - it wasn't about those affiliates having sites either - it was about the reach they provided - which created extreme amounts of fresh traffic for our Industry, traffic that is totally gone today - like email. Now we're stuck with a shit ton of sites, and far less people to go around.

Based on history, porn will change mediums... based on what the future is showing, the Mobile Internet will take over the WWW Internet within a few years. It's buying power is already more powerful. Medium changes in porn take roughly 10 years, and in 10 years the porn Internet as we know it today will look like the mainstream studio business.

The social Internet isn't new, it's the oldest aspect of the Internet that people have used. It's the BBS and IRC chat rooms and groups and all that shit all moved up in scale, far more advanced, and moving all mediums as well - smartphones for example. It's what drives online games, the xbox, and smartphones, it's the entire damn reason people come on the Internet.

The Internet is moving to instant gratification that gratifies faster than porn does... email is to slow for them. People can get 'fixes' for what they need in other ways, and that's what the Social Internet (or games) do for people. It's no different than a drug or porn.

The online social aspects of people has changed the entire buying and surfing minds of the mass majority of people online. It's only going to get worse or better, depending on what you're doing. Following the technology for the next 20-40 years will be easy, just follow the social movements of people jumping to the mediums, be the person that provides the porn on that medium and you're set.

To me it can't be denied... it's happening to everyone all over the entire WWW Internet, it has happened to porn before - but that doesn't mean porn is dead, it just moving.

[TheSenator]

$620.00 on 7/11 Sunday....

[will76]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I see my name was mentioned here.

In 2000 the Internet was pretty fucking boring. All you had was porn. Now.... I've head stats that more than sixty percent go to a handful of websites - Facebook, YouTube, Myspace, Ebay... That's sixty percent of your traffic out the door before you even turned your computer on.

And if you think about it... Youtube, Facebook... Everyone is just creating content for others to look at, which in turn makes them richer - not us.

I don't under stand why you people are not getting this. You keep going back to the " well they spend more time on facebook, youtube now" soo...... so the fuck what. We don't need them to spend 100% of their time online, on porn sites.

Think about it. People spend more time online now then they did in the past. How about this as an example. Let's say people spent 2 hours online back in 2000. 75% of their time then was looking at porn. So that is what, 1.5 hours porn, .5 something else. Now people are spending 6 hours online everyday, 1.5 porn .5 something else 4 social network sites. We still have them spending the same amount of time now as they did back then even if they are spending 4 hours on social networking site. The fact of the matter is, people spend more time online, period. Hence, they spend less watching tv, working out, playing outside, working, going to class, sleeping, whatever.

please tell me how the above is wrong???

It's like you people see, omg they spending 3-4 hours a day on social networking sites, well fuck that is why sales are down. NO!!!! the problem is not how much time they are spending on social networking sites the problem is how much of their porn time is being spent on sites like youporn and not yoursite!

Originally Posted by Robbie

There aren't any stats or reports on that to link to. People don't offer up information about what they do in private on their computers. That's why and how the internet got so damn big to begin with.

We all just have to use our specific experiences in this business and plot a course based on that. Hopefully many of us will be correct in their assumptions and make the right decisions with their porn biz.

Probably not. heh-heh

I guess we'll see who is still making money a year from now or less.

Ok then everyone is lieing ??? I'm asking. Every rebuttal to what I am saying has consisted of "stats" "articles" blah blah blah. I'll be the first one to admit, my logic is based on what I perceive to be common sense, my own experiences, and knowledge I have gained over the years.... weighing heavy on the common sense for this particular issue. Everyone else seems to be basing it on these articles and stats that don't seem to exist.

[will76]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

We will always have people dedicated to buying porn, on any medium that has it available to them.

The WWW Internet porn traffic bubble has gotten smaller though. It can be seen in the number of Affiliates available to us today. Less Affiliates because of 2257, 1000's of micro affiliates gone that were the true backbone of our Industry, creating far less global reach, less global exposure, less trades, less traffic moving around, less of everything. Yet porn production exploded at the worst time almost.

Sales are down not traffic. There are less affiliates because there are less sales being made and profit margins have shrunk for pretty much everyone over the last 10 years. I use to operate at a 85% profit margin, now I am closer to 50%. Mainly due to poor conversions, which is directly due to less people buying porn and just surfing it but mainly less people being able to buy because of no room on their credit card.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's no possible way we have more traffic today in porn than we did 10 years ago - it wasn't about those affiliates having sites either - it was about the reach they provided - which created extreme amounts of fresh traffic for our Industry, traffic that is totally gone today - like email. Now we're stuck with a shit ton of sites, and far less people to go around.

WOW

I think there is no doubt we have more porn traffic now then we did 10 years ago. What was the top 10 porn sites producing hits wise 10 years ago? Look at what the top 10 porn sites are doing now with hits. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the top 10 porn sites now generate more hits a day then all of the porn sites did back in 2000.

I'll just do USA, don't want to skew the results with all of the shit country users who came on later.

# of internet users in 2000: 108,096,800
# of internet users in 2009: 259,561,000

So that many more users online now and you think there is less traffic going to porn sites now vs 2000? WOW.