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datatank · 08-07-2010, 10:12 AM

There has to be atleast 10k new sales day that have "moved" aorund since the closure of some really big PPS programs.

Where did the sales go?
I think some programs are sitting quiet with a ton of new traffic and sales. Good job if its you ..

fatfoo · 08-07-2010, 10:25 AM

The sales have gone to secret mystical magical unicorn land. If you open the right closet in your house, you will enter a grass trail that leads to a pet unicorn named 10K. It's a unisex unicorn. Good luck!

iSpyCams · 08-07-2010, 12:25 PM

Those sales were MADE by enterprising sales people. They were not wandering around waiting to be claimed by some random program. Sales are a product that has to be produced, if not produced, they do not exist.

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

There has to be atleast 10k new sales day that have "moved" aorund since the closure of some really big PPS programs.

Where did the sales go?
I think some programs are sitting quiet with a ton of new traffic and sales. Good job if its you ..

They closed the program. Not the sites. Why would they? They obviously are looking at numbers in their program that we aren't privvy to and decided that affiliates aren't profitable for them anymore.

I can see in our program that 2 years ago affiliates sent 80% of sales. Now they send about 10% and have no traffic. Everybody surfs pornhub these days in case you haven't checked alexa lately.

So no traffic, no new sales from them, and still paying out millions of dollars in rebills just stopped making sense to those companies.

You'd probably do the exact same thing in their shoes if it were your company. It happens all the time in the "real" world. Job losses happen all the time, especially in the current economy.

I have a feeling that lots more affiliate programs are gonna be shutting down soon. Sucks because I promote over 400 of them. And all of it is revshare for me.

datatank · 08-07-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

They closed the program. Not the sites. Why would they? They obviously are looking at numbers in their program that we aren't privvy to and decided that affiliates aren't profitable for them anymore.

I can see in our program that 2 years ago affiliates sent 80% of sales. Now they send about 10% and have no traffic. Everybody surfs pornhub these days in case you haven't checked alexa lately.

So no traffic, no new sales from them, and still paying out millions of dollars in rebills just stopped making sense to those companies.

You'd probably do the exact same thing in their shoes if it were your company. It happens all the time in the "real" world. Job losses happen all the time, especially in the current economy.

I have a feeling that lots more affiliate programs are gonna be shutting down soon. Sucks because I promote over 400 of them. And all of it is revshare for me.

I think you missed my point. I am talking about the sales that were generated by big affiliates. IE the big PPC guys, the mailers, the chat spammers, the media buyers.

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

I think you missed my point. I am talking about the sales that were generated by big affiliates. IE the big PPC guys, the mailers, the chat spammers, the media buyers.

You're right, I totally misread what you were saying.

The Porn Nerd · 08-07-2010, 02:46 PM

The affiliates that were sending the traffic to the big PPS programs stopped sending the traffic because the programs closed and the $100 PPS gravy train crashed.

So what did those affiliates do with the traffic? They either left the biz altogether, sold off their traffic sources to newbs who don't know how to generate the sales they did, or just didn't feel that revshare was worth their short-term efforts so fuck it.

Maybe they're all selling Snuggies now?

datatank · 08-08-2010, 09:00 AM

bump for joins on a carton of milk

Jakez · 08-08-2010, 01:01 PM

Theyre sent to other sponsors that are still paying but shaving all of them.

cambaby · 08-08-2010, 01:03 PM

Oh you mean the X-SALES? Cause thats the only fucking sales the adult business has been really doing in the last 2 years.

1 legit sale = 5 x-sales

maxxtro · 08-08-2010, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by datatank

There has to be atleast 10k new sales day that have "moved" aorund since the closure of some really big PPS programs.

Where did the sales go?
I think some programs are sitting quiet with a ton of new traffic and sales. Good job if its you ..

http://www.pornhub.com

Nathan · 08-08-2010, 01:26 PM

I Wonder which of the programs that closed you think could have together generated anywhere close to 10k sales a day??
I doubt they even generated 1000 a day...

But maybe I missed some huge closure?

Robbie · 08-08-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I Wonder which of the programs that closed you think could have together generated anywhere close to 10k sales a day??
I doubt they even generated 1000 a day...

But maybe I missed some huge closure?

WEG Cash was doing a shitload of volume in x-sells per day. I didn't promote them because they fucked over a friend of mine on a x-sell deal. I'm glad now I didn't. But a lot of folks did.

Jakez · 08-08-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I Wonder which of the programs that closed you think could have together generated anywhere close to 10k sales a day??
I doubt they even generated 1000 a day...

But maybe I missed some huge closure?

10,000 sales a day? 1,000 a day? If a program can not keep afloat on 100 no, even 10 sales a day then they are doing something horribly wrong.

datatank · 08-08-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

I Wonder which of the programs that closed you think could have together generated anywhere close to 10k sales a day??
I doubt they even generated 1000 a day...

But maybe I missed some huge closure?

haha they had affiliates that ALMOST did 1000 new sales day

DaddyHalbucks · 08-08-2010, 02:27 PM

The joins have gone to the tubes and torrents.

Agent 488 · 08-08-2010, 02:29 PM

no one can read eh? sad.

datatank · 08-08-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

no one can read eh? sad.

What do you mean Agent?

Agent 488 · 08-08-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

What do you mean Agent?

people don't seem to read what you wrote, just post whatever.

The Porn Nerd · 08-08-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

people don't seem to read what you wrote, just post whatever.

Whatever.

See? Agent was right....

Whatever.

Nathan · 08-08-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

haha they had affiliates that ALMOST did 1000 new sales day

Who is "they"? WEG?

lol...

Dream on... X-sells, possibly, no wonder they got destroyed by visa and mc then though...

FeelMyTube · 08-08-2010, 03:38 PM

maybe the overall number of sales went down with access to free stuff more prevalent.

but alot of new programs have taken the place of old ones. if you you look at ex-gf and tranny these niches were not around (or were very small a while back), if whole niches changes the same will happen with programs for sure.

Robbie · 08-08-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FeelMyTube

tranny these niches were not around (or were very small a while back),

You're WAY off on that one, people were making millions on shemale sites 12 years ago. But I know what you're trying to say.

ArsewithClass · 08-08-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

The affiliates that were sending the traffic to the big PPS programs stopped sending the traffic because the programs closed and the $100 PPS gravy train crashed.

Personally many sales of less is better than a cpl of more... Whats wrong with $25 a sale if your getting 5 or 10 a day?

Maybe webmasters should give all programs a try!

grumpy · 08-08-2010, 05:05 PM

Good question.

Lace · 08-08-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

The sales have gone to secret mystical magical unicorn land. If you open the right closet in your house, you will enter a grass trail that leads to a pet unicorn named 10K. It's a unisex unicorn. Good luck!

Go curl up in a corner and die already, you fucking idiot.

datatank · 08-08-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Who is "they"? WEG?

lol...

Dream on... X-sells, possibly, no wonder they got destroyed by visa and mc then though...

Its not my place to tell you who.
Not talking about Xsales either
Enjoy your weekend

Nathan · 08-08-2010, 06:15 PM

Datatank, if you know someone who truly sent 1000 sales a day to one of the old programs, you should tell that person to send us the sales... I will hire a team of people just for that person to make him the most money possible...

You realize how much money 1000 sales a day means right?

Think about it... In no way did the programs that shutdown recently have anywhere CLOsE to 10k non x-sales a day... 10k sales a day at a retention of 2.5 months at only 20 a month would be 365*10000*50 = 182.5m a year in revenue... These programs did not even have 10% of that revenue...

You are living in a dreamworld...

The Porn Nerd · 08-08-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Personally many sales of less is better than a cpl of more... Whats wrong with $25 a sale if your getting 5 or 10 a day?

Maybe webmasters should give all programs a try!

I agree completely. While I also understand how an affiliate - who works their arse off, without any promise or gaurantee of a return on their sweat equity - would naturally gravitate towards the biggest pay day possible. Same effort, same traffic, why not go for the $100PPS and up sponsers? makes sense - but also inadvertantly feeds how the Industry got to where its' at.

"Where it's at, where it's at....that's where it's at..."

Sorry, can't get that song outta me head now....

So it's also the law of Contrast for many affiliates (I would imagine): "I was making $100 a pop, now I gotta make $30 a pop...same effort, same traffic = less moolah."

MY question is: so have those kind of affiliates, with that type of attitude, just taken up their tents and gone elsewhere? "That's IT! If i can't get $100 per sale then FUCK YOU ALL and I'm gonna go try email marketing..."

Ya know? WTF?

datatank · 08-08-2010, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Datatank, if you know someone who truly sent 1000 sales a day to one of the old programs, you should tell that person to send us the sales... I will hire a team of people just for that person to make him the most money possible...

You realize how much money 1000 sales a day means right?

Think about it... In no way did the programs that shutdown recently have anywhere CLOsE to 10k non x-sales a day... 10k sales a day at a retention of 2.5 months at only 20 a month would be 365*10000*50 = 182.5m a year in revenue... These programs did not even have 10% of that revenue...

You are living in a dreamworld...

Sorry affiliates who can send ALMOST 1000 sales a day sure as hell do not listen to me nor can I TELL them to do anything hah..

Just because you have not seen it does not mean it does not exist.

Who said anything about an AVERAGE retention of 2.5 months ?

Take care

Paul Markham · 08-09-2010, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Datatank, if you know someone who truly sent 1000 sales a day to one of the old programs, you should tell that person to send us the sales... I will hire a team of people just for that person to make him the most money possible...

You realize how much money 1000 sales a day means right?

Think about it... In no way did the programs that shutdown recently have anywhere CLOsE to 10k non x-sales a day... 10k sales a day at a retention of 2.5 months at only 20 a month would be 365*10000*50 = 182.5m a year in revenue... These programs did not even have 10% of that revenue...

You are living in a dreamworld...

At last a sensible post.

Datatank do you seriously think those that closed down were getting 10,000 joins a day collectively?

If you do think that. Do you think they were being sent by affiliates who would redirect the traffic flow once the affiliate program closed?

The business acumen of some is piss poor. Their logic thinking is even worse.

FuzzyDunlop · 08-09-2010, 05:03 AM

We are getting more new affiliate applications over the last few weeks however 80% of them we are rejecting as they cannot provide even basic verifiable info.

TeenCat · 08-09-2010, 05:31 AM

i would say some of the celebs joins goes to elitedollars now

WebCashMaker · 08-09-2010, 08:28 AM

We picked up a few GF affiliates from some of the GF programs that are not paying.

Wizzo · 08-09-2010, 09:03 AM

The programs closed not the sites so I'm sure many of the sales are still being made at the sites.

iSpyCams · 08-09-2010, 09:27 AM

But the campaigns are gone. Where do you think your traffic goes when you shut down an adsense campaign?

It goes no where, because it no longer exists. Sure some of your keywords get more accessible to your competitors but now they are producing traffic, not you.

08-07-2010, 10:12 AM	#1
datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	Where have all the joins gone? from the closed programs There has to be atleast 10k new sales day that have "moved" aorund since the closure of some really big PPS programs. Where did the sales go? I think some programs are sitting quiet with a ton of new traffic and sales. Good job if its you ..

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fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	The sales have gone to secret mystical magical unicorn land. If you open the right closet in your house, you will enter a grass trail that leads to a pet unicorn named 10K. It's a unisex unicorn. Good luck! __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

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The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,548	The affiliates that were sending the traffic to the big PPS programs stopped sending the traffic because the programs closed and the $100 PPS gravy train crashed. So what did those affiliates do with the traffic? They either left the biz altogether, sold off their traffic sources to newbs who don't know how to generate the sales they did, or just didn't feel that revshare was worth their short-term efforts so fuck it. Maybe they're all selling Snuggies now? __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

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Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	I Wonder which of the programs that closed you think could have together generated anywhere close to 10k sales a day?? I doubt they even generated 1000 a day... But maybe I missed some huge closure? __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	Those sales were MADE by enterprising sales people. They were not wandering around waiting to be claimed by some random program. Sales are a product that has to be produced, if not produced, they do not exist.

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datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	bump for joins on a carton of milk

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cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Oh you mean the X-SALES? Cause thats the only fucking sales the adult business has been really doing in the last 2 years. 1 legit sale = 5 x-sales

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FeelMyTube Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 349	maybe the overall number of sales went down with access to free stuff more prevalent. but alot of new programs have taken the place of old ones. if you you look at ex-gf and tranny these niches were not around (or were very small a while back), if whole niches changes the same will happen with programs for sure. __________________ Tube site converting ex-gf programs @ 1:276 for sale here (proof inside )

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Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Datatank, if you know someone who truly sent 1000 sales a day to one of the old programs, you should tell that person to send us the sales... I will hire a team of people just for that person to make him the most money possible... You realize how much money 1000 sales a day means right? Think about it... In no way did the programs that shutdown recently have anywhere CLOsE to 10k non x-sales a day... 10k sales a day at a retention of 2.5 months at only 20 a month would be 3651000050 = 182.5m a year in revenue... These programs did not even have 10% of that revenue... You are living in a dreamworld... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

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iSpyCams Amateur Gynecologist Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Medellin Posts: 4,436	But the campaigns are gone. Where do you think your traffic goes when you shut down an adsense campaign? It goes no where, because it no longer exists. Sure some of your keywords get more accessible to your competitors but now they are producing traffic, not you.