AFP: Porn titans come together to expose pirates

[SteveLightspeed]

Porn titans come together to expose pirates

by Glenn Chapman ? Sat Sep 25, 10:01 pm ET

SAN FRANCISCO (AFP) ? The notoriously fragmented porn industry is uniting to expose Internet Age pirates threatening its survival.

Studios have begun collaborating on lawsuits targeting people who share digitized adult videos at peer-to-peer networks and are exploring technology tools for automatically tracking and protecting copyrighted material online.

Pink Visual is rallying dozens of adult entertainment studio operators at an unprecedented Content Protection Retreat in Arizona in October to train in ways to combat piracy and defend intellectual property.

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[AzteK]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Porn titans come together to expose pirates

by Glenn Chapman – Sat Sep 25, 10:01 pm ET

SAN FRANCISCO (AFP) – The notoriously fragmented porn industry is uniting to expose Internet Age pirates threatening its survival.

Studios have begun collaborating on lawsuits targeting people who share digitized adult videos at peer-to-peer networks and are exploring technology tools for automatically tracking and protecting copyrighted material online.

Pink Visual is rallying dozens of adult entertainment studio operators at an unprecedented Content Protection Retreat in Arizona in October to train in ways to combat piracy and defend intellectual property.

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nm, I answered my own question. Are you counting on people just settling their cases?

[Hellfire]

Love to see You guys finally start to doing something. Good luck!

[munki]

The RIAA has had multiple failures... I think our industry will bring a nice fresh set of eyes to the piracy problems, and solutions not crowded and obfuscated by corporate redtape.

[Davy]

The term "expose pirates" irks me. They do not need exposure. They need to be sued and shut down.

[Slutboat]

FUCK EM UP LIGHTSPEED







fuckers...

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by AzteK

Are you counting on people just settling their cases?

In Germany that way of fighting piracy (filesharing in peer to peer networks) works since 2005. About 30% settle their case at once and pay between € 250 and € 1,500, depending on the movie or song they downloaded.

Another 25% settle their case later, usually when they receive a second or third letter of the attorney. Those mostly pay lower fees because they are represented by counsels.

Some other 25% won´t settle and their cases are brought to court with different results.

You can´t compare those results to US cases because of the different legal system. In Germany the plaintiff has to cover the court fees first. If he - the plaintiff - wins the case, the defendant has to reimburse the court fees as well as the lawyer's fees the plaintiff has to pay for his lawyers. You won´t get anything from the plaintiff if he is insolvent. That´s why usually only those cases are brought to court where the plaintiff is known to be solvent.

About 20% do not pay and their cases are never brought to court.

Those numbers are based on my personal experience. They may vary. But even if you´ll never bring one case to court, this source of income is valuable.

[Nautilus]

Great news! About time to circle the wagons.

[erooup]

Unless they go after companies like AFF and adbrite who pay out millions to pirates each year, nothing will change.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by erooup

Unless they go after companies like AFF and adbrite who pay out millions to pirates each year, nothing will change.

You are not doing this to change anything at all. If you are targeting p2p networks, it´s just an additional income source.

"Turn piracy into profit!"

[Paul Markham]

Years late but it's coming at last.

IMO. The next move should be a company like www.removeyourcontent.com teaming up with lawyers and content producers to speed up the process. The more that get sued the better and news will soon get around.

Hopefully the porn industry can show the record and film industry how it should be done.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by erooup

Unless they go after companies like AFF and adbrite who pay out millions to pirates each year, nothing will change.

While thousands of affiliates continue to send them traffic why should AFF change?

Hitting tube uploaders and building a case to prove that Tubes aren't covered by the safe harbour of a DMCA they will continue to exist. Let them buy content and see how long the sites stay profitable.

[Mr. Cool Ice]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Pink Visual is rallying dozens of adult entertainment studio operators at an unprecedented Content Protection Retreat in Arizona in October to train in ways to combat piracy and defend intellectual property.

Step one: File suit

Step two: Tell everyone you are going to see it through and that you are serious about fighting piracy

Step three: Settle

Step four: Don't correct industry new source who incorrectly reports your story

Step five: Make a statement that no further comments will be made

Step six: Hold a retreat with the desperate DVD dinosaurs to teach others how to fight piracy

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The next move should be a company like www.removeyourcontent.com teaming up with lawyers and content producers to speed up the process.

It has already been done in Germany. For example digiprotect.org, to name just an example. They are going for music, but even for porn movies.

So your idea teaming up with removeyourcontent.com is a pretty good one.

[Mr. Cool Ice]

Originally Posted by AzteK

Are you counting on people just settling their cases?

You guys don't get it yet, do you?

This IS the new business model. If you're not going to do it, your content will be pirated and there is nothing you are going to do about it.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

This IS the new business model.

Finally someone got it.

[erooup]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

While thousands of affiliates continue to send them traffic why should AFF change?

Hitting tube uploaders and building a case to prove that Tubes aren't covered by the safe harbour of a DMCA they will continue to exist. Let them buy content and see how long the sites stay profitable.

WTF are you talking about? "Let them buy content and see how long the sites stay profitable".

We are talking about people who share digitized adult videos at peer-to-peer networks, and now you start talking about "Tubes should buy content"

Try to focus on the topic for once, instead of repeating your personal mantra over and over again.


As long as companies send money to people running P2P trackers and services, and as long as people provice CC processing to those sites, there will continue to JUST AS MUCH pirated content floating around.

[TeenCat]

now this is something that sounds good to our ears ... congrats and have luck everyone!

[Paul Markham]

Double post. Sorry!!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by erooup

WTF are you talking about? "Let them buy content and see how long the sites stay profitable".

We are talking about people who share digitized adult videos at peer-to-peer networks, and now you start talking about "Tubes should buy content"

Try to focus on the topic for once, instead of repeating your personal mantra over and over again.


As long as companies send money to people running P2P trackers and services, and as long as people provice CC processing to those sites, there will continue to JUST AS MUCH pirated content floating around.

I was replying to the post quoted in my post about AFF.

AFF won't change unless forced to.

And getting rid or even reducing P2P won't bring the 1,000s of lost customers. IMO.

[gooddomains]

go get them and run them intoi the ground

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

Step one: File suit

Step two: Tell everyone you are going to see it through and that you are serious about fighting piracy

Step three: Settle

Step four: Don't correct industry new source who incorrectly reports your story

Step five: Make a statement that no further comments will be made

Step six: Hold a retreat with the desperate DVD dinosaurs to teach others how to fight piracy

So are you going to keep repeating this bullshit? Or do I get to leave you alone?

[gideongallery]

mr skin established that commentary as tiny as "here are the naughty bits of actress ...." is enough to not only allow the unauthorized distribution of the copyright holders content but allowing them to SELL access to those clips.

got to wonder how much protection the commentary "this is my favorite porn scene of actress .... " would provide.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

mr skin established that commentary as tiny as "here are the naughty bits of actress ...." is enough to not only allow the unauthorized distribution of the copyright holders content but allowing them to SELL access to those clips.

got to wonder how much protection the commentary "this is my favorite porn scene of actress .... " would provide.

URL to case? Because that's complete bullshit. Otherwise why not just rip my fav hw movies, make a stupid statement about them, and sell access.. Oh yeah, DUH - I would get sued and lose badly.

[Allison]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

Step one: File suit

Step two: Tell everyone you are going to see it through and that you are serious about fighting piracy

Step three: Settle

Step four: Don't correct industry new source who incorrectly reports your story

Step five: Make a statement that no further comments will be made

Step six: Hold a retreat with the desperate DVD dinosaurs to teach others how to fight piracy

I usually don't do this, but I must debate your logic.

basic steps to be Mr cool ice
1) believe you know anything and everything about an active litigation between other parties.
2) assume what you believe to be the worst case scenario and just go with that
3) remain uneducated on advanced viable solutions to combat piracy

[Phoenix]

back in the video days im told things were settled much differently

too bad we cant go back to that

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by m4yadult

You are not doing this to change anything at all. If you are targeting p2p networks, it´s just an additional income source.

"Turn piracy into profit!"

Originally Posted by munki

The RIAA has had multiple failures... I think our industry will bring a nice fresh set of eyes to the piracy problems, and solutions not crowded and obfuscated by corporate redtape.

I agree with the above.

Piracy is embedded sociologically in the average internet user. There has been a sharp social shift in how people use the web and what their expectations are in terms of the content they are interested in. If it is free on the web, then they will try to find it for free. If they cannot find it for free, then they will find other means of entertaining themselves.

Eliminating piracy will not result necessarily in significantly higher sales.

The answer in my opinion does not lie in removing content or even jailing those who share stolen content. The adult industry as a collective needs to remember that the way that some of us do not like and want to get rid of pirates is the SAME way in which some within our communities do not like and want to get rid of us pornographers.

There are commonalities within the two areas that need to be looked at.

We also have to begin analyzing sociologically and psychologically how these pirates think as well as their (our) users. What are they trying to accomplish? How successful are they at doing what they do? Why are they so successful at what they do? Is there any way to harness the more successful within that bunch and use their means of distribution and internet reputation to the adult industry's advantage?

Has any person in this industry ever had a serious sit-down with the major torrent brokers?

There are opportunities here. War always results in losses and casualties. Partnerships and treaties, when fair and equal, always benefit all parties.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

mr skin established that commentary as tiny as "here are the naughty bits of actress ...." is enough to not only allow the unauthorized distribution of the copyright holders content but allowing them to SELL access to those clips.

got to wonder how much protection the commentary "this is my favorite porn scene of actress .... " would provide.

Unless the movie studios allowed Mr Skin to put up those clips to sell the whole movie. Which is what they did, often sending Mr Skin the clips of the movie.

You are one of the most stupid people on GFY. And that's an accomplishment.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Allison

I usually don't do this, but I must debate your logic.

basic steps to be Mr cool ice
1) believe you know anything and everything about an active litigation between other parties.
2) assume what you believe to be the worst case scenario and just go with that
3) remain uneducated on advanced viable solutions to combat piracy

1: When mis-information is given, it should be corrected.

2: No assumptions need be made if the mis-information is corrected.

3: Acting arrogant will not increase the attendance of your event.

[position:porn]

hope for changes.
believe that the biz would getting better for us without all that free stuff!!!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Has any person in this industry ever had a serious sit-down with the major torrent brokers?

There are opportunities here. War always results in losses and casualties. Partnerships and treaties, when fair and equal, always benefit all parties.

They will trot out the same tripe Gideongallery spews and you do. Putting up more free content to get the scraping of traffic that's left is no way forward.

Can you imagine MacDonald's offering people giving away free hamburgers a constant supply of free hamburgers in the hope someone might buy one from them?

The first part of your post was good. There's a social problem here that people expect it to be free on the Internet. Many think if it's on the Internet it's public domain, even Google are putting up books without the publishers permission. Some think they've already bought enough, music, porn, films or whatever so now they're entitled to take it for free.

What we need to do is show these people they are a in danger of paying a lot of money for their stupidity.

Originally Posted by m4yadult

It has already been done in Germany. For example digiprotect.org, to name just an example. They are going for music, but even for porn movies.

So your idea teaming up with removeyourcontent.com is a pretty good one.

If what the few are doing is profitable lawyer/pirate detectives will be contacting content owners and asking if they can take on the case. The only thing that's stopped this has been the ROI. Make it profitable and it snowballs.

[frank7799]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If what the few are doing is profitable lawyer/pirate detectives will be contacting content owners and asking if they can take on the case. The only thing that's stopped this has been the ROI. Make it profitable and it snowballs.

It is profitable and it is going on since 2005.

[BlueDude]

So they are just suing torrnet p2p site and not tube?

[PGR]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

mr skin established that commentary as tiny as "here are the naughty bits of actress ...." is enough to not only allow the unauthorized distribution of the copyright holders content but allowing them to SELL access to those clips.

got to wonder how much protection the commentary "this is my favorite porn scene of actress .... " would provide.

Key word being "clips". Mr. Skin does not post entire movies...

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Unless the movie studios allowed Mr Skin to put up those clips to sell the whole movie. Which is what they did, often sending Mr Skin the clips of the movie.

You are one of the most stupid people on GFY. And that's an accomplishment.

what they do now vs what they did back then when is a totally different story

that sort of the point i am making

what is happening now with the tube sites is what happened to the celeb sites like mr skin

when julia roberts was pissed about the accidental nudity from pretty woman

fair use made his actions legal so the studios had no choice but to work with him.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by P.G.R.

Key word being "clips". Mr. Skin does not post entire movies...

most tube sites only post scenes not the entire movie.

in fact i bet you would have to spend hours searching thru the pages on a tube site to find a entire movie from start to finish on there.

[RycEric]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Years late but it's coming at last.

IMO. The next move should be a company like www.removeyourcontent.com teaming up with lawyers and content producers to speed up the process. The more that get sued the better and news will soon get around.

Hopefully the porn industry can show the record and film industry how it should be done.

Thanks Paul This is us as well under a new company.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=123069
http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=123927
http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=125123
http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=125412

As Steve previously indicated.. much more to come.

[Robbie]

Torrents, file share, illegit tubes all rely on ONE thing. The enormous amount of traffic they get because of all the stolen free porn.

That is their strength. It's how they make their money selling ad spots to dating and cam.

They grew on word of mouth on surfer forums like porn bb

Now their strength will become their weakness. If I'm the average guy and I hear that surfers to those sites are being tracked and prosecuted...guess what? I'm never going there again.

And the word will spread again by word of mouth on surfer forums.

I know some of you guys are going to disagree with the way I'm seeing this go down. And it doesn't really matter what you think. That is what is going to happen.

It will be slow at first (just like the growth of these kinds of sites) while the word gets out. But then when it kicks in it's gonna have a dramatic impact.

And THAT is why you "settle" and that is why you publicize it. You keep hurting them over and over (you know, the way they've done our industry) and then you get their revenues down by watching their traffic go away.

And WHAT IF one of them wants to go to court instead of settling?

They are taking a major risk of having their U.S. traffic cut off. And if that happens...they are done instantly. No more pre-paid ad spots because they won't have the traffic numbers to back it up.

Which is what is going to happen over the next few months anyway if the recent turn of events continues.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

most tube sites only post scenes not the entire movie.

in fact i bet you would have to spend hours searching thru the pages on a tube site to find a entire movie from start to finish on there.

Umm... Scene as in, 10-30 minutes average, the signed release for it, start to finish of some action, that ends a video being shot?

Hours eh? Hahahaha... maybe hours to record them all.

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

They will trot out the same tripe Gideongallery spews and you do. Putting up more free content to get the scraping of traffic that's left is no way forward.

Can you imagine MacDonald's offering people giving away free hamburgers a constant supply of free hamburgers in the hope someone might buy one from them?

I'm not pushing tripe. The key to solving this entire challenge is listening to all sides of the equation with at little bias as possible.

I am NOT saying that content should be given away for free to torrent brokers, but apparently your limited view of such has led you to believe that I am implying such.

Even so, your McDonald's example can be made into a profitable platform if sufficient mental acuity is applied to it. If one truly understands the social aspects of the behaviors and nuances of the communities one lives in, then no concept is far fetched.

There are some serious opportunities here and we pornographers should be mindful that web-based technology is dynamic. Losing a house or two is a small thing in the face of gaining ownership of the entire town.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The first part of your post was good. There's a social problem here that people expect it to be free on the Internet. Many think if it's on the Internet it's public domain, even Google are putting up books without the publishers permission. Some think they've already bought enough, music, porn, films or whatever so now they're entitled to take it for free.

It is extremely interesting that you call torrents and file sharing a social problem. Trust that there are persons out there who believe that the adult industry as a whole also is a social problem.

Do you understand what I am getting at here?

I want to assist in solving this problem, that is all. Closing one's mind and putting up a wall against certain things make us no better than the people who rile against our industry.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What we need to do is show these people they are a in danger of paying a lot of money for their stupidity.

Is it actually stupidity or is that what you would call it because it falls along the lines of what you do not want to inform yourself about?

There is some short-term merit to be gained by fighting piracy, but the other opportunities at hand are more advantageous. The MPAA and RIAA will shift to adapt to such paradigms within the next 5 years.

The question remains whether the adult industry already will have capitalized on the opportunities or will we be riding on the MPAA and RIAA coattails (like we are now), fighting piracy of our content still?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If what the few are doing is profitable lawyer/pirate detectives will be contacting content owners and asking if they can take on the case. The only thing that's stopped this has been the ROI. Make it profitable and it snowballs.

If you want to see true ROI, my advice is to get the dominant torrent owners to respect the adult industry as a collective.

You do not get respect by labeling a group automatically as your enemy. My suggestion yet again is to find out what is the motivation and sociological reasoning behind torrent sites. That is just the beginning of what could end up being quite profitable for this entire industry.

My overall concept regarding this challenge is multi-faceted and does not revolve around simple concepts like giving away free content. Neither is it based on jailing torrent owners.

Technology is constantly changing. Rigid viewpoints of content sharing and distribution will not prove fruitful for those who align themselves with such philosophies. Tube sites were the first sign that the entire concept of content delivery was changing. And some of us have not even wrapped our heads around that as yet.

Like I said, there are opportunities at hand. Be very careful of rigid viewpoints and philosophies...

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

what they do now vs what they did back then when is a totally different story

that sort of the point i am making

what is happening now with the tube sites is what happened to the celeb sites like mr skin

when julia roberts was pissed about the accidental nudity from pretty woman

fair use made his actions legal so the studios had no choice but to work with him.

Well if tubes only took a few seconds of a video or some video snaps AND (here's the kicker) they worked with the owners.... BINGO - it's not really free! I'm sure paysites wouldn't be near as pissed. Vs a fake user uploading the full length video to a tube - it's like they're almost different.

[RycEric]

Watch for another LFP torrent lawsuit next week

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Now their strength will become their weakness. If I'm the average guy and I hear that surfers to those sites are being tracked and prosecuted...guess what? I'm never going there again.

I respect your views to a certain degree, but demonizing internet users definitely is not a wise component of a solid business plan for any internet-based company.

The adult industry should be extremely careful of following in the anti-piracy footsteps of the
MPAA and the RIAA. Like I said in my post above, even they are shifting their strategies.

The internet is our strength, which makes our users a vital component of such.

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

most tube sites only post scenes not the entire movie.

in fact i bet you would have to spend hours searching thru the pages on a tube site to find a entire movie from start to finish on there.

Here you go.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=233059904
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1434803622
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=105912495

The movies from start to finish. Took me two minutes to find they were on the second page of the site. There were others, but it was hard to know if it was the full movie based on how it was shot but judging by the running time they probably were.

On Pornhub you can also sort the videos by length. Just click to sort by longest and you get almost three full pages of movies that are over 60 minutes long. . . it is safe to bet these are full movies from start to finish.

All of this took me less than three minutes to find. So much for needing hours.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

There are some serious opportunities here and we pornographers should be mindful that web-based technology is dynamic. Losing a house or two is a small thing in the face of gaining ownership of the entire town.

You're off base here.
We are some of the best marketers and promoters in the world. Why? Because our product (the actual PORN) sells like candy.

We have NO other things we CAN sell to monetize our content. No mainstream affiliate will accept adult traffic. NONE.

You're speaking in nice intelligent terms...but in the end everything you are saying has ALREADY been tried, and failed. I have vids that I put up on Pornhub (they are an affilate of mine) The vids have MILLIONS of views. That resulted in 12,654 unique hits to Claudia-Marie.Com and SEVEN sales.

That is pathetic. Beyond pathetic.

This whole thing has ZERO to do with "technology". This is STEALING. And then monetizing the traffic to sell pre-paid ad spots to dating and cam sites. Because as I just demonstrated...YOU CAN'T SELL PAYSITES WHEN IT'S ALREADY THERE FOR FREE.

Now it's true you can make some great intelligent arguments using vague generalized terms. But in the end...WE know what we are doing. We know how and what to sell.

Most of us have already tried every imaginable way to monetize this thieving even though we KNEW it wouldn't work.

So let's be clear...the ONLY person who makes REAL money off of a Pirate site, is the fucking thief who OWNS it. Everybody else gets screwed.

[Alprazolam]

pink visual is not the first group to make a summit on piracy. it was done before and it failed miserably. pink visual also does not have any of the leading anti piracy people that are effective at twarting piracy.

plus, they just settled and sold out to brazzers so they can fuck off too.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by RycEric

Watch for another LFP torrent lawsuit next week

Go Eric go!

And tell Larry I enjoyed his Hustler club the other night. lol

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

pink visual is not the first group to make a summit on piracy. it was done before and it failed miserably. pink visual also does not have any of the leading anti piracy people that are effective at twarting piracy.

plus, they just settled and sold out to brazzers so they can fuck off too.

Oh look another no-name troll spewing stupidity on gfy, shocking.

[Agent 488]

http://www.slutload.com/s/my-first-sex-teacher/

[Agent 488]

what about services that anonymizes the ip of the torrent user? what happens then?