You have all been lied to. THE REAL NUMBERS.

[brandonstills]

Are you ready for rampant inflation? Well, unfortunately it looks like it might be headed our way. The U.S. monetary base has absolutely exploded over the last couple of years, and all that money is starting to filter through into the hands of consumers. Commodity prices are absolutely skyrocketing, and it is inevitable that those price increases will show up in our stores at some point soon. The U.S. dollar has already been slipping substantially, and now there is every indication that the Fed is hungry to start printing even more money. All of these things are going to cause a rise in inflation.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...ots-more-money

What they claim, Consumer Price Index (CPI aka CP-Lie):


How much they have been printing:


Holy shit look at all that money they have been print... err, I mean quantitative easing. ;)

Actual change in prices:
Year over Year
*Agricultural Raw Materials: 24%
*Industrial Inputs Index: 25%
*Metals Price Index: 26%
*Coffee: 45%
*Barley: 32%
*Oranges: 35%
*Beef: 23%
*Pork: 68%
*Salmon: 30%
*Sugar: 24%
*Wool: 20%
*Cotton: 40%
*Palm Oil: 26%
*Hides: 25%
*Rubber: 62%
*Iron Ore: 103%

[dyna mo]

you weren't lied to? or are you saying we're all sheep and you are the only one who is not?

[brandonstills]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you weren't lied to? or are you saying we're all sheep and you are the only one who is not?

Being lied to doesn't mean that is what you believe or agree. It just means they present false information. But I have to admit I wish I knew back then what I know now.

[_Richard_]

the era when america discovers wars arent necessarily fought with 'weapons'

[woj]

What solution instead do YOU propose to combat weak economy, unemployment, etc?

[wild johnny]

Maybe the people around here that understand all this better can give an opinion on what it says at this site. I found it a very interesting read, But is it true?

http://www.sovereignmoney.com/

[pornmasta]

Yes he can...

[MovieMaster]

Seen this coming ever since sept of 2008...

[Dcat]

Originally Posted by woj

What solution instead do YOU propose to combat weak economy, unemployment, etc?

Well, for starters, the government is raising taxes, increasing regulations, and inflating the currency. This is the exact opposite of what you'd do to combat a weak economy, no?

[V_RocKs]

Get used to it. We've been lied to since the beginning.

[BIGTYMER]

2012 is coming! I better start building my bunker and finding animals to put on my ark.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

Being lied to doesn't mean that is what you believe or agree. It just means they present false information. But I have to admit I wish I knew back then what I know now.

and you were the only one to get the truth from these super secret government files that have been hidden from the public?

[DWB]

Originally Posted by woj

What solution instead do YOU propose to combat weak economy, unemployment, etc?

I've been building a totally self sufficient compound in North East Thailand for the past few years. If the world falls apart, I'll be ready. All I need is more bullets.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by woj

What solution instead do YOU propose to combat weak economy, unemployment, etc?

0% government intervention. That's means, no taxes, no legal tender laws,...

There's only 2 option: Government or the market.

We tried the first option, it didn't work.

Now let's try freedom (= the free market = human cooperation).

There's is no 3rd option.

http://mises.org/daily/4317

Human Cooperation
Excerpted from Ludwig von Mises on Money and Inflation: A Synthesis of Several Lectures

Human cooperation is different from the activities that took place under prehuman conditions in the animal kingdom and among isolated persons or groups during the primitive ages. The specific human faculty that distinguishes man from animal is cooperation. Men cooperate. That means that, in their activities, they anticipate that activities on the part of other people will accomplish certain things in order to bring about the results they are aiming at with their own work.

The market is that state of affairs under which I am giving something to you in order to receive something from you. I don't know how many of you have some inkling, or idea, of the Latin language, but in a Latin pronouncement 2,000 years ago already, there was the best description of the market ? do ut des ? I give in order that you should give. I contribute something in order that you should contribute something else. Out of this there developed human society, the market, peaceful cooperation of individuals. Social cooperation means the division of labor.

The various members, the various individuals, in a society do not live their own lives without any reference or connection with other individuals. Thanks to the division of labor, we are connected with others by working for them and by receiving and consuming what others have produced for us. As a result, we have an exchange economy which consists in the cooperation of many individuals. Everybody produces, not only for himself alone, but for other people in the expectation that these other people will produce for him. This system requires acts of exchange.

The peaceful cooperation, the peaceful achievements of men, are effected on the market. Cooperation necessarily means that people are exchanging services and goods, the products of services. These exchanges bring about the market. The market is precisely the freedom of people to produce, to consume, to determine what has to be produced, in whatever quantity, in whatever quality, and to whomever these products are to go. Such a free system without a market is impossible; such a free system is the market.

We have the idea that the institutions of men are either (1) the market, exchange between individuals, or (2) the government, an institution that, in the minds of many people, is something superior to the market and could exist in the absence of the market. The truth is that the government ? that is the recourse to violence, necessarily the recourse to violence ? cannot produce anything. Everything that is produced is produced by the activities of individuals and is used on the market in order to receive something in exchange for it.

It is important to remember that everything that is done, everything that man has done, everything that society does, is the result of such voluntary cooperation and agreements. Social cooperation among men ? and this means the market ? is what brings about civilization and it is what has brought about all the improvements in human conditions we are enjoying today.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

0% government intervention. That's means, no taxes, no legal tender laws,...

There's only 2 option: Government or the market.

We tried the first option, it didn't work.

Now let's try freedom (= the free market = human cooperation).

There's is no 3rd option.

http://mises.org/daily/4317

How does the armed forces get supplied and the roads and bridges get repaired and police of fire departments run without taxes nimrod? I'm sorry, but if you don't have government you have anarchy and anarchy is NOT freedom?

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by GatorB

How does the armed forces get supplied and the roads and bridges get repaired and police of fire departments run without taxes nimrod?

What did we have first? roads or the state? bridges or the state? weapons or the state?

Originally Posted by GatorB

I'm sorry, but if you don't have government you have anarchy and anarchy is NOT freedom?

define anarchy.

Anarchism isn't chaos. It's voluntary association. You buy the services you want to buy, from the provider you want to use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
"Building on the Austrian School's concept of spontaneous order, support for a free market in money production and condemnation of central planning, Rothbard advocated abolition of coercive government control of the economy. He considered the monopoly force of government the greatest danger to liberty and the long-term well-being of the populace, labeling the State as nothing but a "gang of thieves writ large"?the locus of the most immoral, grasping and unscrupulous individuals in any society.

Rothbard concluded that all services provided by monopoly governments could be provided more efficiently by the private sector. He viewed many regulations and laws ostensibly promulgated for the "public interest" as self-interested power grabs by scheming government bureaucrats engaging in dangerously unfettered self-aggrandizement, as they were not subject to market disciplines which would quickly eliminate such parasitic inefficiencies if they were to occur in the competitive private sector.

Rothbard was equally condemning of state corporatism. He criticized many instances where business elites co-opted government's monopoly power so as to influence laws and regulatory policy in a manner benefiting them at the expense of their competitive rivals.

He argued that taxation represents coercive theft on a grand scale ... He also considered central banking and fractional reserve banking under a monopoly fiat money system a form of state-sponsored, legalized financial fraud, antithetical to libertarian principles and ethics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism
"Voluntaryism is a philosophy according to which all forms of human association should be voluntary as far as possible. Consequently, voluntaryism opposes the initiation of aggressive force or coercion. The word 'initiation' is used here to make clear that voluntaryism, does not oppose self-defense. Voluntaryism is a form of free market anarchism."

http://www.vforvoluntary.com/
"The Idea: You own your life ? You own the fruits of your labor ? You decide

You are the sole owner of your body and the fruits of your labor. You should be free to sell your labor, to trade with others or to give gifts, without any other person having the right to any of it. Only you should be able to decide what happens to your person and with whom you associate. In either case governments form no exception, and so protection organizations should too rely on voluntary contributions and associations. This is the only way to prevent tyranny."

[Brujah]

How does it compare to what we did in the 1930s?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Since 1917

Wow! The government made all that new money for us to spend! Hold on, I'll get my wheelbarrow ? I need to get some bread <rolls eyes>

[TeenCat]

oh its not about epassporte? ...

[Vendzilla]

https://surplusammo.com/index.php?ma...f42eed7a429eb6

Better stock up

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

I am big homo that fucks farm animals."

Yep you sure do.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

It is important to remember that everything that is done, everything that man has done, everything that society does, is the result of such voluntary cooperation and agreements. Social cooperation among men ? and this means the market ? is what brings about civilization and it is what has brought about all the improvements in human conditions we are enjoying today.

I've a hard time trying to find an example of any civilization advance with 0 government intervention. Tried all historic periods and all civilizations, countries and territories I could think of and didn't find a single example. Could you be more specific?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Good prices... BUT no one beats Cheaper then dirt...

they were out


http://www.jgsales.com/ is where I got a great deal on some military ammo from Africa once, I bought 5k rounds and they worked great.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I've been building a totally self sufficient compound in North East Thailand for the past few years. If the world falls apart, I'll be ready. All I need is more bullets.

ADG

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Good prices... BUT no one beats Cheaper then dirt...

thanks... i just picked up 50 boxes of speer gold dot...

great prices.....






.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I've been building a totally self sufficient compound in North East Thailand for the past few years. If the world falls apart, I'll be ready. All I need is more bullets.

Can I come visit? I need to visit Thailand soon cause some things there are just cheaper than here in the US

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by harvey

I've a hard time trying to find an example of any civilization advance with 0 government intervention. Tried all historic periods and all civilizations, countries and territories I could think of and didn't find a single example. Could you be more specific?

Why does the baker bake bread? Is it because the government told him to?
Why does the butcher prepare and sell meat? Is it because the government told him to?
Why does the farmer grow crops? Is it because the government told him to?
...
And..
Why don't we grow our own crops? why don't we bake our own bread? why don't we raise and slaughter animals ourselves? why don't we raise sheep and make our own clothes out of the wool? Why don't we make toys for our children? Why don't we make our own shoes? Why don't we do everything ourselves? Why don't we spent 15 minutes a day on the field, 45 minutes making furniture, 2 hrs building websites, 1 hr making clothes, 30 minutes feeding the animals, 1 hr building a walls,...? because it's not efficient.

Every human being is unique. Every human being has its own strengths and weaknesses. Every human being has its own set of skills, preferences, goals etc. And human beings prefer to work together. By working together and by specializing in what we do best or prefer doing (devision of labor) and by trading services and products (the fruits of our labor) we create more wealth for everyone.

Of course, this can only work if all transactions (trades) are voluntary. And sadly, there will always be people who try to benefit from other people's hard work without contributing themselves (without offering something in return / by stealing etc). So, people have to (and have the right to) defend themselves against these forms of aggression.

If people have the right to defend themselves, they also have right to form alliances and defend each other and each other's property. This is how 'government' came to be. Remember the words of Thomas Jefferson:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness (in the original document he used the word 'property'). That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

That's the whole classical-liberal or minarchist-libertarian idea of limited government: People are free to do what they want as long as they don't cause damage to other people or other people's property. And people chose a government to defend the people against acts of aggression.

However, history teaches us that the classical-liberal or minarchist-libertarian idea that a limited government is necessary and possible is false. Lord Acton had it right when he said that "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Once a position of power (any form of government) is established, that position of power will eventually be abused. People with bad intentions will try to gain access to or control over that position of power. And the people in power will always try to expand their power.

Do I have an example of the perfect libertarian community with no government intervention whatsoever, where everybody's happy? No, I don't. There was the "Icelandic Free State" (900s to 1200s) that came close. At one time Albemarle and Rhode Island (Rogue's Land) came close.... But the fact that history shows no example of the 'perfect' libertarian/anarcho-capitalistic community in no way proves anything about the validity of the underlying ideas.

On the other hand, history is filled with examples of how government intervention (even with 'good' intentions) in our daily lives had (both intended and unintended) negative consequences. General George Washington's troops almost starved when the Colonial Government tried to make sure there was enough food available to the troops by setting maximum prices for everyday meals and drinks. Recently there was shortage of milk in Venezuela when Hugo Chavez set maximum prices for milk. Of course Chavez blamed evil foreign capitalists and ignored the fact Venezuelan farmers lowered their production and started selling yogurt and ice cream instead of milk because selling milk at unrealistic prices wouldn't allow them to survive or support their families. Or remember what happened in the gulf of Mexico? Laws like the Deep Water Royalty Relief Act and the concept of limited liability made it acceptable for drilling companies to take what otherwise would have been unacceptable risks.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

Actual change in prices:
Year over Year
*Agricultural Raw Materials: 24%
*Industrial Inputs Index: 25%
*Metals Price Index: 26%
*Coffee: 45%
*Barley: 32%
*Oranges: 35%
*Beef: 23%
*Pork: 68%
*Salmon: 30%
*Sugar: 24%
*Wool: 20%
*Cotton: 40%
*Palm Oil: 26%
*Hides: 25%
*Rubber: 62%
*Iron Ore: 103%

When I first moved to the south, the first thing I noticed in the grocery stores is that pork was way more expensive here than in California. I have never bought much pork but it was a huge increase from what I was used to seeing.

Then I saw the cart fulls of "poor people" using their welfare debit cards to buy a hell of a lot of pork. They jack up the price since the government is paying for it.

[nico-t]

u-bob for president

it is widely known that the market has to repair itself without any government intervention, that way the result will be a healty economy again.... but for that to happen the gov has to do a hands off approach and let everything just happen.... and governments dont want that. Because they want to keep control over everyone and everything, which is not working in the long run at all.