stocktrader23

Oh shit a business thread!

I see a lot of people asking about mainstream around here so I wanted to throw this simple idea out there for everyone, trolls and all. I'm sure some of you are familiar with this, if so this thread is not for you.

AdSense - How Everyone Is Doing It

Everyone knows what AdSense is by now and almost everyone has tried to make money with it at one point or another. Unfortunately, most people come away thinking that it's just something you throw on your personal blog or use to monetize some shitty free video game site you made as a hobby. Those $0.03 clicks with a bad ratio are depressing. While using AdSense in this manner is fine and dandy for the people that run sites for free it's worthless to a webmaster without millions of hits.

When used in this manner you are letting Google pick the ads that fit your content.

AdSense - A Better Way

As a webmaster, a better way to make money from AdSense is to create content to fit the ads you want on your site. Obviously you want something that pays more than a few cents per click but allows you to generate enough traffic to justify your efforts.

One simple way to do this is to cater to surfers looking for a specific type of product. You want to find a product type that has a decent retail price and is popular enough overall to generate enough search traffic to make your efforts worthwhile. The reason for this is that the large companies that are competing to sell these products can afford to pay Google more per click than someone offering free games can. Because mainstream is so amazingly huge there are literally millions of products that fall into this category and I'll give you an example below.

Designer Shoes

I just pulled this example out of my ass but it should be as good as any other. The items that fall under this category have a high retail price which means more money per click on your AdWords units. Also, those that can afford the products aren't the only ones looking them up. For instance, Paris Hilton might be seen on the red carpet sporting a pair of designer shoes of a certain brand and style. Since those reporting on celebrities like to point this kind of stuff out the name brand and style of shoes is often mentioned and sometimes they are even asked about them in their interview. This leads to women of all ages looking them up to see if they could ever afford them or just to gawk.

That's Where You Come In

For this niche you would want to put up a website covering designer shoes to capitalize on these high PPC ads. The easiest way to do this and optimize for search engines without any additional effort is to use WordPress. By making only a few posts per day you can start the ball rolling on taking over the search engines for your niche.

Unlike adult and other highly competitive industries there are hardly any websites (comparatively) competing for traffic on such products and even those that do usually have such shitty code that their pages are as unoptimized as you can get.

Let's take a look at a random designer shoe offering from Amazon.

Casadei Womens Triple Platform Pump



http://www.amazon.com/Casadei-Womens...N%3DB002C19TJ8

As you can see from the link, these shoes retail for up to $650.

Great! Now let's take a look at a few of the search phrases one might use to look for these shoes in Google and how many results come up.

Casadei Platform Pumps - 35,600 results

Casadei Triple Platform Pump - 8,290 results

Casadei Triple Platform - 29,700 results

Now, I'm no expert on SEO but I and every other idiot on the planet could successfully optimize a post to land on the front page for these phrases in short order. You may think that it's impossible to topple someone like Amazon but that couldn't be further from the truth. If your site is all about designer shoes Google will eventually (usually) give your website more relevance than one selling everything under the sun. Also, with some basic SEO skills you can optimize a blog (think tags and categories) to cover all of your desired search phrases easily. I've shot to number one on much more competitive terms in 1 - 3 weeks with good content.

And Look Who's Buying!

If you look at the AdSense ads on the side of the page you'll see names like Neiman Marcus in there. On a style of shoe that can cost as much as $700 I assure you they aren't paying 5 cents per click. There are also plenty of ads running so you know it's competitive enough to be well over the minimum bid. I wouldn't be surprised to see $1 clicks on a regular basis if this were my niche.

Important Details

* Putting up a blog full of images and titles of the product is not going to work so great. You will actually have to take the time to understand enough about your niche to make some decent posts on the topic at hand. The more personal you can be in your writing the better. Also, if you have a product that allows you to incorporate more common search terms then do so often. Using the Paris Hilton reference above, if you made a post about Paris Hilton wearing these Casadei Triple Platform pumps then you have more long tail searches possible but also have a chance at getting some Paris Hilton traffic. Because your site is mainly about shoes the more valuable ads will still display in most cases.

* No one post is going to bring you 100,000 hits or even 1,000 in most cases. The purpose of these type of sites is to land in the top positions on search engines for specific products. This makes you 100% relevant to those that do search for the items and also means that a huge percentage of your visitors click through to check prices on the items, look at other styles, etc. Each day you post just ads to your search engine arsenal. What's good about writing about specific products is that they are relevant as long as the product exists. Even if you don't update for a few weeks your post on a specific product is still 100% relevant and always will be.

Tips For The Future

Designer shoes is a fairly sticky topic. What women love more than buying shoes is showing them off and talking about them. Once your traffic justifies it you can add a forum, well sectioned off by brands etc, for members to show off their shoes, sell their unwanted shoes etc. Now you have users generating 100% relevant content for you 7 days a week. This is not always viable depending on the products you choose but for designer shoes it would be perfect.

And That's How You Make Content To Fit The Ads To Make More Money.

Tips are accepted, have a nice day.

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medium competition longtail term + reasonable search volume + relatively well paying CPC + exact match .org/.com/.net domain + a few pages of keyword optimized content for chosen term + a few more optimized pages for related terms = insta-MFA -> wash, rinse, repeat

stocktrader23

Just another way sir. I've seen similar stuff go from $0 to $100 / day in a couple of months to over $1,000 per day within a year.

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sbrazzer

Nice post. Good stuff

tiptop

cool and spot-on, well done on the post

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Agent 488

what he said.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

I would work things a little differently. I looked over your examples regarding the shoes. Estimated search volume is very low, under 500 broad searches monthly on the most competitive of the three terms. Estimated CPC is at minimum $.05 across the board. Though the competition probably isn't very strong, and you could rank easily enough, there are better options.

I would seek something more like this out. Take the term "uninterruptible power supplies" for example. The .org & .net of the exact term are currently available, Google estimates around 40k monthly broad searches, and 3k exact searches. Estimated average CPC is $3.64. You should be able to take one of those domains, build a simple mini-site with a few well written informative articles, and rank for the term without much difficulty. I would suspect over $1/click there easily, where I'd personally be very surprised to see $1 clicks on those shoe terms, and Google's estimates seem to support my hunch. They are high priced items, but the volume just isn't there, no bidding competition involved with them.

This isn't the best example I could give, but it is a live example that could be taken and applied right now to an MFA model. Success with Adsense is all about your keyword research, being able to quickly identify profitable terms/niches, and being able to rank quickly and easily so as to allow you to move on to the next conquest. Even if each site you build only brings in $1/day, that starts adding up quickly, when you can build new sites frequently and effectively.

I suppose there's a bit of a science to it, but once you catch on to things it gets to be a pretty easy deal. You could chase after way higher paying terms, with far more competition, and make a lot of money if you're successful. I prefer to pick up the easy prey though. As stocktrader said, there's more than one way to skin a cat. This is just a method that I picked up a while back which has worked for many, and is still completely applicable...

Chezter

Wow, this is exactly that kind of info I'm looking for, thanks guys. I tried it with adsense for more than year without succes, only succesfull niche I found was loans in my language(czech), amazing ratios, like 1:5 1:10 but never been able to get enough traffic.

Agent 488

why even use broad searches, cat. just use local volume.

dropped9

This is the type of thread that makes my brain hurt. And I like it.

pythonx

Yeah, and then your MFA sites are ready and receiving traffic and you get banned by adsense for violating their TOS.
MFA sites are not allowed and you're tricking their system. This is the typical easy money scam that all these get rick quick programs are trying to sell you...
It's just a matter of time before you get banned from adsense.

Basically, this is the retard way of making money with adsense.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

If you're building crap sites with little or no content sure. If you have an MFA with dynamically generated content, or you're trying some arbitrage scheme with a low quality site, you'll probably get axed. Simple fix is to HAVE ACTUAL QUALITY CONTENT. Give Google what they want, high quality, informative content. There's no reason that as a publisher you can't target your content towards higher paying terms.

TubeSubmitters

Thanks for the advice but those two domains are not available since a few years.

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stocktrader23

There are some hidden variables on the designer shoes website. You may be right about the estimated per click but hard to believe.

First, any specific type of shoe is going to be extremely low search volume. However, if you have a nice site the person that clicks through is going to bookmark you an ungodly percentage of the time. Since the customer is woman and the theme is shopping it spreads in some non typical means (gossip on Facebook).

Also, the fact that you have relevant info on specific types of shoes helps your main domain rank for things for the better broad phrases.

I'd show you one crazy example but I heard through the grapevine that a (former?) GFY member owns it and I don't want to out them.

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stocktrader23

The only retard here is you. Where in the fuck did I say make a shitty website that would be considered a MFA?

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Jason Voorhees

Awesome thread man.

CS-Jay

odd question here. on building multiple sites, should they be spread across multi-hosts? Or can we pile them onto a single host/IP? Or if they aren't related, they can be on the same host/ip, and if they are related, spread them out.

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stocktrader23

I've never had a problem on a single host / IP, especially with such simple stuff. I ran a lot of local websites for my businesses and friends businesses in town and got them all to #1 for their respective terms. I've run several of these type of sites on a single shared host and don't see how I could improve much on rankings since it's so easy to get to #1. Some here say otherwise so I guess test test test eventually.

Also, this isn't a standard 3 to 20 page niche site you make and leave. On this product type alone there are probably tens / hundreds of thousands of things you could post about.

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Jason Voorhees

Yeah I see no need in 30 IP's and stuff, unless you're doing something shady and don't want your other sites to be penalized when Google blacklists the IP of one site.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

I knew someone would actually try to do exactly what I said. I just knew it.

Jack Sparrow

Please dont post informative mainstream stuff.

Anyway, check out the term spread betting, whatcha think?

JMBrandie

Great thread, thanks for it!

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stocktrader23

I wrote it. I am one lazy fucker so I doubt I'm the first to write something like this but any similarities are 100% coincidental. I only know about things I've researched myself, I don't buy ebooks or any of that mess and I don't even dig in webmaster forums for info like this.

Also, this is a more long term deal and doesn't require matching domains. One main domain for the overall niche is fine since the specific products are so simple to rank for.

Put it this way, I know people making 500k a month thanks to xrumer but I'm too lazy to go figure it out yet.

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PornMD

Yes sir, which is exactly why I get those kinds of domains and why I never have any problem selling them.

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stocktrader23

Will you buy these three adult domains from me to resell yourself? I don't want them, I don't push full out porn and they are worth well over the damn reg fee.

$35 for

milfthreesomes.com
sexycameltoes.com
nakedandtied.com

I know the last one sucks but would make an OK paysite name.

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PornMD

No offense but I was talking about mainstream...Epass dying basically fucked the low-end adult domain market. I was doing great here til that and since then, I've sold a whopping 1 adult domain while doing $20k+ in mainstream domain sales.

So no thanks, sorry. Those aren't bad, but at the moment I'm not adding to my adult domain portfolio.

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stocktrader23

No doubt about that, it's amazing how you can find domains today that have been taken for 10 years prior.

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digi

I'm looking for good mainstream affiliate programs, any tips?

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Cool thread.

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stocktrader23

Look up CPA networks. Mainstream works differently than adult, you can find hundreds of things to promote under one roof.

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stocktrader23

Thanks.

I'm not lazy in the sense that I don't work, I just prefer researching and tweaking things until they work great. After that the tedious stuff makes me want to kill myself.

As for xrumer, I'll wait on your tutorial or do some investigating when I have time.

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PornMD

Yea...with each former owner wishing they could take a time machine back knowing the future value of generic keyword domains. Imagine going back 10-12 years knowing how huge of terms that blog and tube would be today.

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Down with business threads.

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Jason Voorhees

Bamphhhhhh.

stocktrader23

Still relevant with Panda?

Yep!

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mizmiz

Why not be an amazon affiliate and sell this shoes for $$$?

mopek1

Stocktrader - Do you have a back-up in case adsense doesn't work out for whatever reason?

I am just thinking that if one put in the time and effort and then sometime down the line adsense didn't work out what would you replace it with?

stocktrader23

Absolutely.

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Profits of Doom

I couldn't agree more, they have allowed back several formerly banned for life shitbags that contribute nothing, but Jew Cat, who was always informative and funny, is still gone...

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